US vs Russia vs China - Nuclear Warhead Stockpiles
Aby June 26th, 2007
Due to their overwhelming destructive power, nuclear bombs have become a political tool rather than military weapons in this era. Continuing the Soviet legacy, Russia continues to be the leader in the size of nuclear warhead stockpile and delivery capabilities. United States of America comes at a close second, followed at a distance by the People’s Republic of China. Although this triad share close trade ties with each other, they are considered military rivals, mainly due to their political alignment and spheres of influences.
The largest nuclear explosion - the Tsar Bomba test of 1961 (Click on video to play)
Russia - Russia (ex- Soviet Union) has the distinction of successfully developing and testing the first fusion based nuclear bomb in 1949. It also developed and tested the most powerful nuclear bomb till date - the Tsar Bomba in 1961 with an yield of 50 Megatons (the Hiroshima bomb Little Boy yielded 0.013 Megatons). The current Russian nuclear stockpile is estimated to be 17000 warheads of which 7200 are believed to be operational and deployed. The nuclear warheads can be fired from bombers, silo or mobile truck launched ICBMs and submarine based SLBMs.
United States - The United States of America is the first country to develop and test a successful nuclear bomb in 1945 (Manhattan test). It is also the first and only country till date to use nuclear bombs on human cities (Hiroshima and Nagasaki). The first megaton bomb the Ivy Mike was also tested by USA in 1952 with an yield of 10 Megatons. The current US nuclear stockpile is about 9900 warheads of which about 5500 are operational. United States possess stealth bombers, silo launched ICBMs and submarine launched SLBMs as nuclear weapons delivery systems.
China - China began to develop nuclear bombs after repeated nuclear threats and blackmail from US and UK over the Taiwan and Hong Kong crisis’s respectively. It tested its first fission based nuclear bomb on 16th October 1964 dubbed as the ‘596‘ test. China’s first hydrogen bomb was successfully tested on 17 June 1967, with an yield of 3.3 Megaton. China’s current nuclear stockpile is significantly smaller than US or Russia - at an estimate of 150 to 200 warheads. However the exact number is not known due to PRC government’s secrecy concerning China’s military capability. China can deliver nuclear bombs using silo and mobile launched ICBMs and submarine launched SLBMs. It does not emphasise on bombers as nuclear bomb delivery systems despite having a few nuclear capable bombers.
The Conclusion - USA and Russia currently possess the largest nuclear stockpiles which are the remnants of the Cold War arms race. Both USA and Russia have the capability to cause irreversible mass devastation of the human race on this world using their nuclear weapons stockpile and delivery system. The People’s Republic of China can cause significant damage or either Russia or USA however it cannot destroy them with its small nuclear stockpile (which is used mainly as a political tool for deterrence). As permanent members of the United Nations Security Council and signatories to the nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, their nuclear stockpiles do not evoke apprehension as much as those of Pakistan or (possibly) Iran’s does.
More Information and Resources
- Nuclear Weapons Archive - A guide to nuclear weapons
- Russia’s Nuclear Capabilities - News piece by The Telegraph, London
- Nuclear Missile Forces - US vs Russia vs China
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Russia is only a 3rd world poor country they cannot do anything to USA let alone destroy us.
@fire in the sky: Sorry to burst your bubble, but 7200 nukes raining down on the USA are enough to obliterate the country, regardless if they´re launched by a “rd world country” or not.
If the 50 megaton Tsar bomb is dropped on Manhattan it can take out the entire New York, New Jersey and Virginia with it. A giant H-Bomb does not consider if 3rd or 4th world fired it.
The 7200 nukes can rain only after they reach USA and it is too far for Russia to drop a nuke on USA. We can destroy Russia by launching nuclear missiles from USA even before they wake up to realise whats happening.
2300+ nuclear warheads fitted in MIRVs can be launched from 489 long range ICBMs (10000+ km) and about 12 nuclear SLBM (8000+ km) equipped submarines in a 6 minute warning time. The 10 warhead MIRVs can penetrate any US missile defence system and independently target 10 locations per missile with a strike rate of more than 75% accuracy. Enough to obliterate USA in a total of 30 minutes.
Nuclear bombs will not be used unless a country is about to be taken over. grant it the us used it on japan but that is an exeption we where about to invade the mainland and we would have lost tons of men. Nuclear war is in fact very distant. Like it says it is more of a deturrent than a weapon. Grant it China dosent have the same moral values as America so it is not a sure thing, in all There a ton of variables and they will change and in fact russia is not a big factor what so ever they do have alot of nuclear warheads they will not group with china and go to war vs america. And if anything they won’t drop nuclear weapons on america. And if these 2nd world countrys even have the tech to put it over america. It is one thing to have it, it is a total other thing to get it to america. and the fact of droping one on NY that would be the most unlikly thing to happen for one it is on the total other side of which they would attack so there would be nothing to gain exept to really make the Us mad. In the real acspet they would drop a nuclear bomb on a huge city in the west coast same effect but better results. In all reality the Us and China and Russia will in all reality will not go to war or if they do it would end in a draw. And Just to tell you guys Russia is a 2nd world country and so is China. China is really starting to become a 1st world country.
“Nuclear bombs will not be used unless a country is about to be taken over.”
The United States was about to use nuclear bombs on Vietnam, if UK didn’t vehemently oppose it.
“Grant it China dosent have the same moral values as America so it is not a sure thing”
Depends. I would rather trust the moral values of a country which did not kill 11 million people than a country which has a history that would give Hitler a complex. Has China shown any tendency to possess any less human values than did USA?
“It is one thing to have it, it is a total other thing to get it to america.”
But it is an easy thing for 5 countries in 2007.
“And Just to tell you guys Russia is a 2nd world country and so is China. China is really starting to become a 1st world country. “
Correction. Russia is very much a first world country - militarily, politically and economically.
The objective of nuclear weapons is credible deterrance, not use. No country in its right mind would go to war against a nuclear power.
No Russia is considered a 2nd world country. And are you stupid Russias economy is terrible. I due agree with you on some stuff. Yes china has show in humain vaules remember when the goverment shot all those kids who wanted democracy. PS. Sry for spelling i’m very tired at the moment. And politically Russia has no power what so ever. America is the worlds police. When ever something goes wrong the world expects America to do something about it. And no it is very hard to transport a Nuclear weapon across the ocean. Indeed it is alot easyier than back in the 1980s. but it is still very difficult to complete. i think what we all really need to be woried about is IRAN and N korea. If anything they are the ones to accually use one.
“And are you stupid Russias economy is terrible.”
I am not known to be stupid and I sincerely hope you are not. Russia has a 7.9% GDP and a booming economy, not just on oil and gas. Perhaps you would do yourself a favour by updating yourself on economic affairs. It is not a G8 nation for nothing.
Source - The Economist - http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/display.cfm?id=349002
“Yes china has show in humain vaules remember when the goverment shot all those kids who wanted democracy.”
We’ll go by the numbers and rational logic. Tiananmen was 18 years ago, because of a mistake of police which has been duly apologised and compensated for. In contrast if we look at US, more than a million Vietnamese children and Iraqi children are far from an apology - they are not even getting the medical help required because of US assaults. Who is the lesser evil?
“And politically Russia has no power what so ever. America is the worlds police. When ever something goes wrong the world expects America to do something about it.”
America involved itself in countries where to it not wanted. It fights either for its own interest or at it’s allies’ behest. No country wants a world police at the cost of its sovereignty. And Russia’s political power? Perhaps if you don’t like this site, you might be interested to update yourself world news from unbiased sources and avoid extremist Fox News.
“i think what we all really need to be woried about is IRAN and N korea. If anything they are the ones to accually use one.”
I suggest you provide evidence or trends which verify that they might use nuclear weapons. What a person fears and what actually happens are separated to a wide chasm by the actual circumstances.
Russia is not a economically poor country Zack K Nordyke, where do you get your information from? It is among the world’s 10 largest economy and with only 141 million people it is something. Russia and China are the only REAL enemy getting in the way of US world domination. Iran, Iraq, Taliban they are all artificial they cannot do any real damage to USA.
its going to be interesting to see russia move into the middle east to clean up americas mess. i think then the world will take note of ust how powerfull they are
LET ME TELL YOU A TRUE FACT.
[NEW YORK] WILL BE BURNED BY A [NUKE] IN THE LATER YEARS OF [2020+].
AND THE WORLD WILL END
JUST REMEBER THIS WHEN THAT TIME COMES
WE WILL ALL DIE AND GO TO GOD…
actually, the US was the first to build and test a fusion bomb. Ivy Mike was a hydrogen bomb, the video of the test is on the internet
what did we create for our next generation?
Weapons of master destruction, polluted ocean, global warming, credit cards.
what is the solution??? can anyone tell me how? dont blame others, do from yourself? share,
share your idea and share your passion of love. share as simple as (car pool) , be a bicyclist. be a good man.
a peace lover.
@ericoak - I am sorry to say you are mistaken. The first Soviet fusion bomb was based in the Solika project which not a hydrogen bomb but a fusion bomb nevertheless. It was a lithium deuteride fusion bomb which was triggered by a non stage fission explosion. Ivy Mike came three years later as a hydrogen based multi-staged fission-fusion-fission hydrogen bomb based on the Teller Ulam design. It was hardly the first fusion bomb.
@our next generation - I share your passion but what about nations who develop and use such weapons on mankind and would not hesitate to use the same if they have a safe chance? Should not all nations ensure their own security?
We have seen many wars and the American participation in almost all the wars which were faught in the last 15 years. The war on Iraq din’t have the approval of the U.N but still the U.S went on to attack Iraq on false allegations and killed more than 1,00,000 innocent civilians. Moreover Iraq today is in the brink of civil war and the U.S is testing its new weapons on innocent civilians. Imagine if the Russians went on for a war against any country without the approval of the U.N!!! The Americans fear only the countries which posses nuclear weapons. So the world needs a strong and firm response to counter the so called American adventures. I think only the Russians can challenge the Americans and make the world stable.
and by the way, the russians stole the plans for nuclear technology from america and it’s the only reason they were able to develop one only 3 years after america’s first bomb. look it up if you don’t believe it, their bomb was modeled exactly after the trinity bomb and fatman and little boy. had it not been for stealing the technology, it would probably have taken them 10 years to develop it.
@Only The Facts - I advise you heed your own suggestion of speaking on facts instead of getting carried off by your McCarthyism emotions. The first Russian test “First Lighting” was a lithium deteride fusion device, quite apart from the fission based US nuclear bombs at that time. Extremist nationalism is considered an emotional outburst, that is which you are doing.
As for your rants about Russia being a third world country, it would be much more helpful for your stance if you could provide any factual sources to back up the same. We are not here for a flame war or hate fuelled nationalism.
in regards to nuclear technology, not only did the US invent nuclear weapons, but american nukes are the most advanced and accurate in the world. anybody who argues to the contrary is only fooling themselves. without a doubt, american weapons are the world’s most advanced. this is not nationalism, this is very plain and pure fact.
@Only The Facts - “in regards to nuclear technology, not only did the US invent nuclear weapons, but american nukes are the most advanced and accurate in the world.”
The United States tested the first nuclear bomb yes, but it does not make it a frontrunner in technology. Who invented the first rocket? Space travel? Successful satellite launch? Ballistic missiles? Nuclear is just one of the many war technologies, and most of the others were developed my USSR (now Russia). As for your second claim about US nukes being most accurate and advanced, I suggest you provide facts and figures and spare us the nationalistic claims.
@Only The Facts -”..without a doubt, american weapons are the world’s most advanced. this is not nationalism, this is very plain and pure fact.”
It seems that you have lost the capability to distinguish between facts and fiction. I hope it is temporary. Next time, do provide some credible figures and factual information which our readers can look up and verify. Our readers are not impressed by tall claims, unfortunately for you. If it is opinions and ideologies you want to talk about, please do not masquerade them as ‘facts’ - it is misleading.
This is for all you americans! In all your blogs you have said that america is the world police, Have you restored peace to Iraq? In fact i belive that you have done the opposite, dont you? You lost in vietnam and just excallated the problem!! And when the UK pulls out of Iraq and Afganistan what are you going to do? Russisa could wipe the flooe with you and you can do the same to them, whoever launches the first missle is basically going to win unless the defending countrys can put up effective defensive counter measures, so america can not save the world no matter how arrogant you are, just a quick not on how sad you all really are!
Aby, get out of lala land and realize that we DO control the world, certainly not your puny and weak country who runs away from every fight like a little girl and not your vodka ridden proxy country Russia. And British Rule, you rule nothing any longer, your evil island started all of it with your country cutting across ethnic lines on purpose to create wars, and so your little island can sell weapons to both sides. The U.S. is essentially cleaning up the mess that YOUR imperialism left behind. Europeans started the mess in the world and they should clean it up, oh I forgot, you can’t wipe your asses without our permission. Well, here is your permission, we allow you to clean up your mess. We should let you fend for yourself, let Russia take over Europe, or let the Germans rise again to knock the shit out of the rest of you weaklings. I only respect the Germans in Europe because they are strong and intelligent, the rest of you truly are little weak girls who can’t even fight for themselves.
To Only The Facts -
“The U.S. is essentially cleaning up the mess that YOUR imperialism left behind.”
British were responsible for many crimes but they did not kill 1/20 as much in their 200 year imperialism than America did in last 20 years. They also gave a wealth of infrastructure in countries they occupied like India which stand till today. If we had to choose between British or American imperialism it will always be British anytime. Thank god we were not born in Iraq.
“Aby, get out of lala land and realize that we DO control the world..”
Arrogance, you control only weak underdeveloped countries where ruthless dictators kill and oppress their people for enjoyment and pot bellied sheiks who use little girl kids for their uncontrolled lust. You have not even managed to control Iraq. 20 something amateurs with 50 year old Russian Kalashnikovs and hand grenades give your soldiers nightmares. Surely you can try your hand in sovereign nuclear Russia, India or China? Remember 1971 when your Navy peed in its pants when they realised they underestimated India? The world is not a Hollywood movie wake up and see reality.
USA has given so many things to this world..from science and technology to democracy and etc etc….Also it has created distance and hatred between human beings by its naked imperialistic policies. The arrogancy and imperialistic attitude will bring this mighty nation down. The final days are near if they pursue this path.
In 1971 Bangladeshis were ready to face any enemy with our poor life for the sake of freedom from the then west pakistan,s army ruler. Brilliant leader Indira Ghandi was beside us. Without the help from India, USSR and above all our freedom fighter against USA`s shamful foreign policy it might had been worse than anyone could imagine. They tried and failed.
The desire for freedom cannot be suppress by Nuclear power or any weapon. Before USA many mighty nations tried and failed. History comes back again and again. The fools who say USA control the world are leaving in dreamland. USA only try to control and make troubles where cannot, thats their policy. After 6 years of war they are controlling 20% of Baghdad. Shame on their Army with that sophistication. If Iraqis/freedom fighter/insurgent or whatever u lebel them, had 1/10th of the arms of USA army , they could have taken control of NY city by this time. So arrogant ppl of USa should wake up and the good US citizens should kick the ass of those arrogants before USA face final and last humiliation.
you want to compare now the indian navy to the us navy? maybe they shoot spicy curry at us, then we would probably be scared, hahaha. India can’t even fight Pakistan for Kashmir, they knock your little army out left and right. get real sucker. if i lived in india, i would want to die just from the smell. you know that indian, everywhere in the world, ppl think you smell nasty, and you do because you sweat that disgusting spicy food and don’t wash up, because you are third world. Brits controlled your country like it was their little toy so don’t think India has any sort of power whatsoever in this world. you’re people only smell bad and bobble their nappy heads going “ah bhad bhad bhad bhad bhad”, you’re like the joke of the world and you didn’t even know it. People hate us because we are in power now, people hate you because you smell. I’d rather be the former than the later. As far as I see it, we have 25% world GDP and half it’s weapons, what does indian have? 25% of world’s population and 99% of it’s stench. You bloody smelly indians!
@ Only The Facts
Cut the insults against the rest of the world or we will have to cut your ability to comment on this site. I am sure our human readers would not mind having you off this site, you are quite rude and an embarrassment to sane Americans. You find Indians smelly, Russians vodka drinking villagers, Swiss as girly pacifists, Europeans as Nazis, British as imperialists, Chinese as evil - and of course America is perfect, God’s own country. You fail to live up to your nickname ‘Only The Facts’, it seems logic takes the backseat when you talk about your improvised version of ‘facts’, without any evidential source of course.
As for your rants about how great your navy is, your ancestors were not so confident about beating India when USS Enterprise nuclear carrier did a hasty retreat off the Indian Ocean during the South Asian Crisis of 1971. Assuming my knowledge of world history is correct, the US failure to prevent the defeat of Pakistan in 1971 was a major embarrassment of Richard Nixon government and tilted world faith towards Soviet Union for a little while. Perhaps our nuclear submarines scare US more than their faith in their aircraft carriers. Either you could update your history instead of muttering like a fanboy or you could debate this point using actual facts, take your pick.
Hang on, I recall you said something yesterday, I’ll word it as you said it “I’m not responding on this site any longer because it’s a waste of my time” in here. Have you changed your plans? It would have been pleasant for our readers if you had kept to your decision, you know.
@ Only The Facts - “..certainly not your puny and weak country who runs away from every fight like a little girl..”
During the World War 1, France, Italy, Germany and other Europeans nations recognised the neutrality of Suisse and fought accordingly. During the World War 2, there were a lot of German Nazi sympathisers in Switzerland and if it were not for the protection of neutrality and liberal democracy, Switzerland would have been made to join the Fascist forces. The Swiss resisted German attacks and repelled them successfully, they had no reason to involve in a war which is not theirs and where no loyalties lie. If you think fighting a war is a sign of manliness, you are mistaken - it is a primitive ’survival of the fittest’ concept, the Nazi ideal which claims ‘lower humans’ need to be eliminated to keep purity of ‘higher race’. You have not faced personal losses in a war, if you did or knew someone close who did, you would not have blamed Switzerland for maintaining its neutral stance
@ Only The Facts - “I only respect the Germans in Europe because they are strong and intelligent..”
If you were looking for intelligence and strength you should be looking to Britain, France, Switzerland and Soviet Union. These are the countries intelligent enough not to get involved in Nazi and Fascist ideals and fight to repeal it. Germany was embroiled in extreme nationalism and a systematic eugenics which involved extermination of Jews and other disadvantaged people - none of these acts were remotely a sign of strength or intelligence. From your association of masculinity to wars and your attraction of World War Germany, I could only assume what you ideals are. You can confirm if my suspicions that you are a Nazi sympathiser, is correct.
but i must compliment you on one thing aby, all male chauvanism aside, i’m glad that you’ve held true to your liberal ideology and have not censored me thus far. just hope you keep it up because i think people need to hear both sides.
Thank you for the compliment. As regards our censure, you have been quite trying for us I admit. The purpose of this site is education, information and debate, not flame wars. I have already received complaints from readers ragarding your posts. Rest assured that in your next posts, instead of removing the curse word, we will blacklist the comment itself. We appreciate normal and civil discussion even if it contradicts our articles however we do not appreciate a show of your nationalism, male chauvinism or whatever you call it.
here is one for you. say russia and america did get into a war. who would win? i know this might seem like a 12 year old question but i have been wondering about this forever now. i respect russia and how much power they do have. but i have heard from people that work for our government and people i know that have went to russia say it is a 3rd world country with super powers. i dont know for sure but the people i talk to about this know what they are talking about.
@ Only The Best - In case of a US vs Russia war, the winner would be the one with a larger nuclear arsenal and delivery system capable of striking the enemy. A better ABM and anti-satellite defence system against enemy ICBMs would also be helpful. Regardless of economy, Russia scores on both those areas, with a much larger nuclear stockpile and the only credible ABM defence system till date. It is also the only country whose anti-satellite missiles have the maximum range and strike accuracy (CEP).
I agree with Dmitri.
i dont mean to disagree but i think that america does have a good anti-satellite defence system and as i dont have any proff of this last i heard an saw on tv ( might be making a fool of myself here) we have light rays that destroy the ICBMs in air way before that get to american land. also i understand that….( again no proof) america has hundreds or misslie base’s around russia…not pointed at them just around……also russia has way older tech for ICBM as america is atleast 20 years ahead. now i dont look to offend anyone here i just heard all this stuff and i want to either correct it or conferim it.
@ only the best - “..we have light rays that destroy the ICBMs in air way before that get to american land.”
We discuss facts, not science fiction, Mr. only the best. Despite the developments in laser, there have been no such breakthoroughs to stop ICBMs which immense KE. Lasers simply can’t meet such high energy demands in a brief time with the technology available at present and in the near future. If you have anything to prove or confirm otherwise, you are free to do so.
@ only the best - “..also russia has way older tech for ICBM as america is atleast 20 years ahead due to the fall of the iron curtain.
That is like saying Saudi Arabia is more democratic than Great Britian. Russia currently ahead of US in all of its missile/aerospace technolgies, be it ICBMs, ABMs, etc. Except SLBMs of course, the area where US Navy scores due to its better submarines.
@ only the best - “..now i dont look to offend anyone here i just heard all this stuff and i want to either correct it or conferim it.”
We don’t take offense that easily and hopefully, neither do our readers. You are free to disagree and criticise as long as you do not use personal insults at readers/authors and any form of swearwords.
do you have any proof of russia being ahead of the US in any areas that you say? also i will look to find the light ray defence that i had talked about.
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002380.html
score a major win for the americans……U.S.A ALL THE WAYYYY
I don’t think the U.S. would have any problems if The United Knigdom backs us up. The U.S. and the U.K. have the worlds strongets militaries eaisly. Plus, who is afraid of Russia, they coludn’t even beat Alfganastan. Don’t even get me started on China, they couldn’t even invade litte bitty Tawin if it came down to it.
Many in the U.S talk only about Russia losing to Afghanistan. But they easily forget that America lost to Vietnam in the past. Even now the U.S has lost the war against Iraq and isolated by its own allies in the war.
we didnt losse the war in iraq. we are talking it over and trying to make 300 years of history happen over night. vietnam is a lill different. you cant fight a war and be held back.
@ only the best - I am sorry to say that the source you provided on the fourth post above is against you. The authors testifies that laser death ray project which the Bush administration is pursing is a waste of money and at best a fantasy at the current technology. This is what the article concludes -
A lot of KE is required to stop a ballistic ICBM at hypersonic speeds and it is expecting too much of the present lasers to be able to focus that kind of energy from space even if we were to increase the energy of the most powerful laser a thousand-fold. The laws of physics can not be defied, even for US.
I agree partly with the last post, I don’t think the war in Iraq was a military failure, but a political one. One cannot win a guerilla war against a nation of people driven by a sense of revenge or religious duty. USSR faced that in Afghanistan when US employed the Al Qaeda, something that turned out to be at their own cost. The best strategy in such a situation is a gradual withdrawal, otherwise it would ultimately lead to the collapse of the economy of the invading nation.
It was getting a little hostile. I have tried to check out this first Russian fusion bomb but after 15 minutes of searching I came up with nothing. If you had some credible sources I will be willing to believe you. Further, neither the US or Russia really created rocket technology. Both the US and Russia grabbed as many of the Nazi scientist as they could to develop their space programs. They were almost a decade ahead of us.
Further, the whole point of US and Russian nuclear arsenals is MAD. These anti missile systems might be a able to sop a couple dozen from a smaller country, but each side has thousands of nuclear and very accurate cruise missiles from land, air, and sea. Both countries would be completely wiped out, and it is kind of pathetic to ever believe that either country could survive.
I believe you were referring to the Sloika Design, which was detonated on August 12, 1953. Further, almost all of this weapons power was from fission, and it was less than 1 Megaton. As compared to Ivy Mike, detonated November 1st 1952, which had yield of 10.4 Megatons. They have the Ivy Mike detonation on youtube. Amazing and scary at the same time.
The Test No.4 of August 1953 was based on the Sloika design as the first thermonuclear explosion although as you say, most of its energy was dereived from a first stage nuclear fission. Prior to this, the Test No.2 on 24th September 1951 was a fusion implosion device, although not a thermonuclear device which was based on a layer cake design with core developed from Rutherford’s theories. Not all fusion devices are thermonuclear, as is proved by the Test No. 2 which failed to produce the megaton yield as desired. It is a scientific error to take fusion device as necessarily as a thermonuclear device, if this were true, there would have been no low energy cold fusion we witness today.
As for your idea about cruise missiles, they do not make reliable strategic nuclear weapons delivery system as they can be tracked and shot down. Cruise missiles are not really rockets but modified airplanes. Ballistic missiles, particularly ICBM and SLBM pose a bigger risk because of accuracy, range, trajectory, speed and MIRV which make them difficult to intercept and destroy.
It might be pathetic to believe either country would survive but still, it would be better to consider facts before emotions. Even if a full scale nuclear war were to happen between US and USSR, the result would be massive destruction and yet complete anihilation of either nation would be practically impossible.
thank god i have a ally on this website. its just makes me mad when people are wrong and wont admitt it. thanks eric.
and btw we have the light rays the web site i posted cant come out and say we have it due to it being top secret.
@ only the best - “..and btw we have the light rays the web site i posted cant come out and say we have it due to it being top secret.”
Are you certain you have the authority or the clearance to reveal top secret matter of the United States Department of Defense? Your administration would not be very happy about someone revealing top secret material in this site.
@ only the best - “thank god i have a ally on this website. its just makes me mad when people are wrong and wont admitt it. “
Glad that you have realised it is normal to admit mistake. Why don’t you admit it that your claims have no factual base? It would be easier to do that than getting mad and making claims of having access to top secret government information.
@ ericoak - “Both the US and Russia grabbed as many of the Nazi scientist as they could to develop their space programs. “
I am aware of the declassified US CIA Operation Paperclip. I am however unaware of any such operations by Soviet Union that they managed to steal prominent rocket or missile scientists. Do you have anything as evidence?
Ok this whole thing seems strange an argument about nuclear weapons and war and barely a mention of Britain. You might all be interested to know that Britain’s global influence is second only to the USA. Mainland Europe may not ever fight or defend itself well. but Britain always shows that we are a country that excels in warfare and military tactics. Britain may only have half of the population of Russia but we r in the top 5 economies with the second greatest military.
something often forgotten is a countries allies. Britain is far better at gaining allies than china, usa and russia. if Britain starts a war the USA would undoubtably back us up as well as the European Union as we r a member and countries such as Canada, Australia, south Africa and India would probably help us due to us training most of their armies and strong relationships since we gave back their independence.
With regards to Nuclear weapons, how many nukes do you think it takes to wipe out a countries power? The Usa and Russia have strangely large stockpiles followed by China then Britain and France. While the USA would act stupidly as usual bombing random parts of the countries the rest would be more intelligent. So don’t forget about Britain population has never meant much really.
As an American, I must say that it is disgusting that anyone glorifies war, slavery or imperialism. I really do not care how many weapons the world’s armies have, I simply wish that we could enter a new age of enlightenment. Alas, I know the improbability of this, but my American friend, do me a favor and quit embarrassing me and yourself! You sound like one of those disgusting God-fearing Republicans…
this website is bias…. and st….peace be with ya lol
@ only the best -
Maybe we should just start accepting your rumours about laser death rays and throw hard facts out of the window, as you would have liked us to. This is an information site Mr. only the best, not a science fiction forum.
You have been making bizarre claims about about US being able to destroy MIRV with lasers and then are unable to give any evidence or proof of it. You try to defend yourself by making bizarre claims about ‘top secret’ information instead of admitting the error. When this attempt gets thwarted by Aby above, you follow up responses claiming ‘bias’ which you and I know, is not true.
Many of the comments posted by the Americans (not all of them, so don’t start yelling at me) really embarrass me. There was a time when I was proud to be an American, but if you really listen to the way our citizens talk and interact within a peaceful discussion… gosh it just makes me sick to my stomach to be surrounded by so many arrogant, ignorant, and UNCIVILIZED people… I just returned from South America, and the whole time I was there I wished I could hide my accent and blend in… people like “Only the Facts” give America a bad name… and how America ATTEMPTS to police the world… (unsuccessful at it, but they try) just makes me want to move. I just hope that the rest of the world knows and understands how many Americans actually disagree with our government and arrogant, immature people like “Only the facts”, and many of us would love nothing more than to see a complete revolution and shift of power back to the people of America instead of in the hands of current corrupted politicians and military leaders.
That is all.
it is true, i gave you the link you guys just cant take that a american one uped you. just take it. this site is bias btw
@ only the best - “i gave you the link you guys just cant take that a american one uped you.”
I agree as well as anyone does that you gave the link. But on a quick read of the links, it says death rays does not exist and is unrealistic. It speaks nothing about MIRVs and says that the space based death rays are a waste of money, a fantasy. I also noticed that you claim you have access to top secret information, I hope for your sake that the US DoD does not read this post, you could be in trouble for making such information public.
Now for the ‘bias’. Am I to understand you are a realistic, unbiased and neutral person? Perhaps someone reading your last few comments would be able to judge for themselves.
@ Patriotic Briton- “Britain is far better at gaining allies than china, usa and russia. if Britain starts a war the USA would undoubtably back us up as well as the European Union as we r a member and countries such as Canada, Australia, south Africa and India would probably help us due to us training most of their armies and strong relationships since we gave back their independence.“
Lol how wrong you are. China and Russia and other prominent Central Asian states with access to vast quantities oil are currently allied very strongly and form an organization called SCO (Shanghai cooperation organization), don’t ask for links this info is plastered all over google. China and Russia together alone would make a formidable alliance and as described in the times newspaper, sco is a counter-weight to nato although this is subjectional.
Also China is having MUCH greater success in securing oil around the world. It now imports huge amounts of Iranian and Russian oil and other Central Asian countries’ oil. It is also securing oil in Africa which the US and other European states have been trying for ages and having much greater success. If you’re going to mention that the Chinese are greedy and don’t care about the massacres in Sudan-Darfur and raising their debt, don’t bother. The Chinese have actually released a substantial amount of African debts, more so than the Europeans. Furthermore, it was the Chinese diplomacy that allowed a breakthrough and agreements for AU corps to move in and help with the mess in Africa.
China is also securing oil in Venezuela, which currently harbours deep hatred towards North America, in fact in a recent Africa-Venezuela summit, Hugo Chavez publicly spoke out that the he wanted to get rid of North American imperialism in a hostile manner. Venezuela is keen to get rid of its north american dependence for oil and ship on a larger basis to China in particular.
So really, in a war who is likely to win, pissy Britain and USA with no like oil and no-one to give them any and with waning allies, or countries like Russia and China who have the huge manufacturing powers and manpower AND TECHNOLOGY as well as recent divisions of ‘hacker’ armies who can quite easily cripple vulnerable western infrastructure.
U.S. has the largest deployable stock pile of nuclear weapons with Russia in second.
Russia destroys it’s nukes where as the U.S. just takes theirs apart and can assemble it on a later date if they wish (also to take some of the technology/materials from Russian missles while you’re “observing” their destruction).
As far as this little piss-stain Beni go’s - how dare you try and belittle the U.K..!
If it’s wasn’t for the the U.K - there would be NO America, NO Canada, NO Australia, NO New Zealand, NO economy what-so-ever in Africa & India - as we give all these GREAT nations to blue-prints and helping hand for success………NO COUNTRY HAS HAD A GREATER INFLUENCE ON THE WORLD AS GREAT BRITAIN - not even the Romans…and for a tiny little Island, this is a massive achievement - not to mention the nation that give the world Football, Boxing, Rugby, Cricket - pretty much every decent sport (I say decent as I personally HATE american sports)!
Who cares who has the most nuclear weapons - In an Ideal world there would be none at all…….plus it’s doesn’t take too many to destroy a countries defence systems if used tactically..!
TheHewi, Newcastle/England
British & Proud..!
Hey USA UK RUSSA EUROPE Lets all wake up.The root of the worlds problems lies the middle east. Lets sit back and let them all kill each other cause they’ve proven that they are too stupid to get along.Then we can sit back and let the north koreans starve to death.I cant believe the arguments over whose nukes are better.No one wins in a nuke war.
the worlds problems dont stem from the middle east. since the late 1960’s to now, countries have been moving for position in the middle east. Russia for example in afghanistan, usa in iraq and afghanistan. the middle east not only has the most oil, its also a huge tactical advantage to whoever controls it. further more, all countries are guilty of huge atrocities against civilians. dont blame the usa for all of it. as for china and russia, the usa is going to be at war with china within the next 20 years, we know this, and they know it. they wont be able to avoid a nuclear attack from the usa without russias help though. there are a ton of chinese exchange students at my college and they know that china will go to war with the usa. the only thing i can guarentee is that the usa will not be invaded, we will lauch our nukes before it comes to that.
You all make me laugh thinking anyone will win in a nuclear war you stupid people, for one when them missiles are fired just kiss your ass goodbye, if you survive you would wish you were dead, we will all be bombed back to the stoneage, and i will be glad and hope the people of the new world will learn about the silly people we were and rebuild a world without violence and hatred cos to me thats all the average human being is, we are a plague like ebola and if all the human race was killed it might be a good thing for this planet. No other animal on this planet has the potential to poison, blow up, and create mass extinctions levels like us stupid little people, i have children and the way this world is going, i honestly regret having them, i am british and proud of it, i like everyone in the world who likes me and i respect there point of view and how they like to live, i dont believe in american policy, but then i dont beleive in russian or chinese policy, or even british policy, i belive in doing the best for me and my family, and i like to help people who are not as fortunate as me, no matter what colour or creed, grow up you people and smell the cheese, try and get along and forget who has more nuclear weapons than who, as if there used it wont matter then, cos i tell you the people who survive it will wish they were dead, living in a nuclear winter, with dead children, babies, the people who you cared about dead and your country brought to ruins, and disease and poisins riddled in the air, id rather go in the blast, do you think china, the usa, and russia want to build there economys up to have all out war, with no winner and a life of gloom later, as what will money mean to anyone then, But i will say this the sooner Bush has left office the better as the trouble in the world is worse since he got in power and it seems to me that american policy back fired on him when 9/11 happened, god bless the poor soles who lost people there, but you only have to watch farenheight 9/11 to see his hands are dirty with the bin ladens etc, wake up everyone and lets talk about what we will all do after this so called war thats coming, maybe you will still be here to bury your familys, and clean up all the mess you have made, and after that you might have children and they get lukemia or something due to all the radiation you have all helped spread around the world, who will be the winner those who die first or those who survive and are left with the job of survivng and cleaning up, now think is there any winners in this stupid war?.
You guys are funny. You’re also proof the West is in need of a colon cleanser.
WW3 will someday be widely recognized as the best thing to happen to the planet in a long time.
Haha your so foolish. Bin Laden’s family does have connections with Bush’s family, but his family is hugeeeeee. He is the outcast that fights even though he is rich. His half brothers and sisters have nothing to do with them, and support us actually.
very sad your comments. If you wanna start a war with russian you will lose it don’t fulmination with russian. They will nuke your ass off, russia are testing nuclear bombs behind the moon a long time ago if you would know what we have a powerful bombs, it’s incredible! your laser defence missile system are hopeless. FOR MOTHER RUSSIA !
dude above me is a joke.
US = porno industry + prostitution
+ drugs + wankers
in a recent survey , 89% of US men looked at porno regularly
44% went to prostitutes
and 96% wanked / masturbated regularly
23 % are obese
and i dont know about how many are drug addicts or child molesters?
US = FIFTH WORLD
I Laugh at the americunts
Marlo I completely agree with you …
Guys no doubt US is a big power. But country like Russia has started picking up again economically too. Militarily too I don’t think its very much behind US. Regardless Russia can do any harm to US or not.. its US which is distablizing the world as if they want to beat down Hitler. Who gave US the authority to murder thousands of innocent humans around the world… Check it out guys most of the disturbances in the world are being caused by some Americans directly or indirectly… because of themselves or allies benefits or to create market for their business and weapons be it middle east, gulf, south east asia, part of africa…..
Have you americans ever thought why so many people (I think i can safely say majority) in the world hates you all.. be it your friends , allies , non-allies or enemies….. I am not saying that Russians / chineese are saints. What I want to convey here is th8 beacuse of some crap americans all the Americans are getting defamed and insecure.. If some of these foolish americans are allowed to continue like this they might end up in becoming the major cause which might even distroy the whole world.
God save the world from these “some” arrogant and fools ….. the biggest terroirists world has ever seen….!
americans. look around. all countries live peacefully. only you rescue democracy in all the world. Russians not so poor, not all drunk, here isn’t always cold (no of the snow now) and nobody don’t thincing about nucler strike to USA. When we look your films on the one hand ridiculously with another it is terrifying: ridiculously because there you the strongest most clever and all other stupid and cripple…..but terrifying because on this rubbish growin people which hate russian…..thinking that to Iran and korea there is nothing to do then attac USA. Therefore let’s live peacefully because if will WW3 insignificant who now world police, who have what influence (THEHEWI)…….scientific had count that Russia and USA can destroy world 16 times(The globe will simply leave from an axis). The winner will not……..”vsem budet nu prosto polnij pizdec”……….sorry for my englis…….only learning
@ leo
dear me,
you need help let me tell you, the root of the problems lie in the US, imean really not only have you got a global allience but you also have a lot of enemires.WHY?….
1953 Korean war
1959-1975 vietnam war(and you were slapped by the viet cong)
1983 U.S. Invasion of Grenada
1991 Iraq
1995 you really helped out in the former Yougoslavia war
1998 U.S. bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan
1998 U.S. bombing of Iraq
2001 Afghanistan
2003 Afghanistan
and now planning on iran
that’s a lot, should I show you the one’s before the 1950s?
@ THE US OF A
FUNNY!!!!!
@THEHEWI
I live in Britian and I can see what your’e trying to say but why are all Britians so proud of there country to country steeling and pirate heritage.
The US Army today cannot event contemplate a conventional war, the loss of equipment and trained soldiers in Iraq & Afghanistan have left a huge toll on the US Military.
The loss of tanks, IFVs, APCs, Men, Missiles, Bombs.
If the US doesn’t stop playing this game where they think they can defeat anyone who opposes them, they’re going to start a war with someone who will knock them on their ass. Regardless of whether there is a limited nuclear exchange or not, the US will get its ass handed to them.
People are tired of their arrogance.
I apologize. My country sucks. We are greedy, proud, imperialistic, and stupid. The problems in the US with education, healthcare, and crime are devastating, yet all we do is point our finger at what everyone else is doing wrong. It’s discouraging. I’m considering moving to Canada or Europe, maybe even Iran.
I will agree, the US gets involved in foreign affairs too much. Yet, at the same time, when should a country with ability to end a terrible affair get involved?
America will wake up to our foreign policy problems and world image, it’s just a question when. Until then, I apologize for our arrogance and stupidity. It’s embarrassing to live here.
hello mr.fire in the sky,who said russia 3rd world,2020 russia 5th largest econamy and do you know,
tsar 50mt(that one 1961) TODAY tsar1?? hah hah haaaaaaa,.,.,/
if you are going to represent the US at least speak positivly or just show the flag of the country you care to move to because we dont need you here.
While the world is raving or criticizing about US deeds and misdeeds, there is one country who is slowly overtaking other nations step by step. It’s a same country which killed thounsands of students without any mercy, it’s a same country which invaded Tibet and allowed no media or any foreign investigation, it’s a same buddhist country which killed thousands of Tibetan monks. It’s none other than cunning and zooming economic “CHINA”. Have a look at below list:
China invaded directly or indirectly following nations:
1. Tibet
2. Hongkong (Autonomy)
3. Inner Mongolia
and the next target is Taiwan.
No country in past or present has invaded so many countries as China. It’s economy is on high boom and could possibly become world super power. So it’s high time people pay attention to China. Imagine a communist country being Superpower…!!Personally i feel China is the silent villain which is soon gonna be stronger than the US and perhaps leads the world to hell, nothing but hell.
@THEHEWI:NO COUNTRY HAS HAD A GREATER INFLUENCE ON THE WORLD AS GREAT BRITAIN - not even the Romans…
Dude I bet you dont know anything about history, because if I remember when in the Iberian Union (Portugal/Castille) time your British Empire was a sample of ours.
I am sad to see ONE of the greatest countries of all the world appear so negative to the rest of the globe. Please note (to the other countries) that not all of America is ignorant to the happinings in the world. So when you say ‘All Americans’ you are being ignorant yourself. I am very proud to be American, but I am not so proud of many of my fellow Americans, (namely ONLY THE BEST and ONLY THE FACTS) and for they can be very ignorant, hostile, rude, and very uneducated and they themselves are an exact image of the vicious names they are throwing around. Please don’t put down my country, for I would never dream of putting down any one elses country. Please excuse my fellow Americans for posting their terrible opinions as facts. I am very disappointed in (THE US OF A) for putting down Americans for stero typing that non-americans may see on their televisons. Almost all Stero types are very untruthful and those who preach them as true are just scared and insecure little people. I myself am very respectful of other cultures for i spend amounts of time learning about other countries and religions, and I also am learning various languages such as Russian and Spanish to better understand the world. Through all my learning I have found only one thing to be true through and through! We are all human! No matter what language we speak, what flag we wave, who we bow down to….. We are all human! A diss to any group is a diss to you, for in any group, there is someone just like you! It is sad that in this entire site, it takes a 16 year old from Montana to finally get people to retract their claws and talk sense.
Well I dont have nothing against the americans, I just don’t like they’r governments.
thank you ‘On Portugal’, I also agree with you about the government, I don’t understand why anything or organization on earth can have an exscuse to be 6 trillion dollars in debt
I think you all need a vacation, please come to Namibia and enjoy peace. It must be sad to have
a conversation/etc about war and who’s country is the best.
I would love to meet all your people from all the countries and enjoy a peacefull weekend. (In Namibia)
I like the US - Only one problem - Forget about the wars
Good advice: Do not spend Trilions of US$ on wars, try and spend it on your own people and
peace with other countries. Start with a list - try and make friends with your worst anemy.
Again I like the US and don not have a problem with any other country.
Russia - I admire you and your president.
All the way from a peacefull Namibia.
I am not english so their meight be lots af mistakes.
“le” said “I think its disgusting that anyone glorifies war” contrarily I think its disgusting when people do not understand that history repeats itself and to not take action against those who would make war is making war in itself? imagine if we would have jumped into WW2 early how many MILLIONS of people could have been save who were brutally raped, murdered, displaced, and burned, gassed, and dissected? as you said, we should enter an age of enlightenment right? well only a fool could argue that Albert Einstein was one of the most enlightened people the world has ever seen and even he saw this to be true. ALBERT EINSTEIN said ” the world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but those who do nothing about it”.
anyone who denies America is the most powerful country in the world (too many names to list on here) is a state of mind that can be nothing other than dementia. America is at the forefront of the world; medically, technologically, militarily, educationally, ect… I do not understand where the question is? how can you guys even argue that America is not the best country in the world. what makes it even worse is the people who live here in America who have no love for their country, say they support a political entity, or political party and then can even list what there party supports, and say how they are embarrassed to be American. the only thing that is embarrassing about this country is you. so… if you really hate this country that much, there are plenty of other places you can move to that would love to work you to death for $1 a day. you people have no concept of what a hard life is like, go visit places in Africa an tell them how are unhappy with being American, and while your at it, please trade places with them that way I don’t have to hear ignorant people speak about how bad this country is.
Anthropologically Cultural, war is not something glorious to be glorified. When Americans seek war and invade a weak third world country after making it suffer decades under a dictator, it doesn’t make them heroes like the World War 2 veterans. It makes them barbarians much like the Persian Empire under Xerxes or the Mongols under Gangez Khan. Both of them had strong self-righteous ideologies, a policy of coercing weak nations and a legacy of bloodlusty invasions to their name, much like Americans of today. If we applied the same international laws that were used in the Nuremberg trials, quite a lot of powerful American leaders would have been in the death row.
Concerning World War 2, it is quite disgusting of the United States to hate a nation like USSR so much that they funded a fascist dictator, Adolf Hitler to power in Germany. Truly the American foreign policy and business culture has no ethnics or any admirable human quality. I shudder to think if the Russians couldn’t crush the Nazis in the Battle of Stalingrad, today most of Europe would have been forcibly Germanified, courtesy the corporate Uncle Sam-National Socialist alliance. If it were not for the Nazi Axis, Japan would not have dreamt of attacking the United States with its World War 1 technology fighting force.
The overwhelming superiority of the American military force during World War 2 was pretty evident, by the way they were overwhelmingly engaged and kept busy by the Imperial Japanese Army. At about the same time, over 300000 of the elite among Japanese forces attempted a Pearl Harbour style invasion on Russian Siberia. In less than two weeks of their determined ‘Pearl harbour style” attack on Vladivostok, then ended up with 250000 men short and ran back to Manchuria with their tails between their legs. The results speak volmes more than any informed nationalist American rant could.
Regarding Albert Einstein, you are right. Only a fool would revoke the statements of such a brilliant intellectual mind. I am reminded of a thought provoking statement that Albert Einstein made in 1947 about United States, “I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime.” Now come on, put your foot in your mouth and say that Einstein was a fool for saying that.
The remainder of your essay-type comment appears to be similar rants of extreme nationalism that has as much facts as Grimm’s Fairytales. You seem to be under the illusion that the world is made up of two kinds of people - Americans and Africans where Americans exceling over Africans makes US the ‘best country’ in the world. If this extent of disillusion is not a sign of a mild case of dementia, I am at a loss to understand what else it is.
Am quite new to this blog and have read through all of your comments.
“Most” of us here I would say are well informed of the facts and happenings worldwide.
But lets face it:
“WAR IN ANY FORM IS DETESTABLE” and that includes modern wars.
I havent got anything against America but lets look at a certain set of facts:
Were we to assume that America is “Police of the World”:
Why hasnt Ameica played an enough role in Darfur??
Why hasnt the Gaza strip issue hasnt been resolved?
Are those burning images of Guantanamo Bay and those human massacres in
Iraq a piece of “World Police Action”?
Did we ever find our so much hyped WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
I would say America puts its leg only where there is Money to be made.
Thats true and it always has been.
If u entered IRAQ, it was because of OIL.
Believe it or not, the only Government Structure that hasnt survived major destruction in Iraq is the Oil Ministry.
Now for those of you people who valiantly are blindfolded that there is only one nation that has so called “Good Guys” could rather come out of ur lame notions:
Did u know that if the world is a hotter place to live in then it is because of u?
My neighbouring country (one named Bangladesh, which some of u wud look for some where in Africa) could have 1/3 of its total land washed away if America didnt
start of with an emission cut?
Your sub-prime crisis, a real innovative mechanism by some of your worl famous FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS has infact caused a global slowdown.
Did u know that while you pay hardly a miniscule rate of Interest for huge loans you make, the world outside your boudaries, even in country like mine pays around 15-20% interest. If u wonder how that is related, I would say that your dollar is sometimes published without any face value.
So lets leave the facts of which country is the best and which country has a really
good defence system and which has nukes that can maketh the other disappear from the face of the world.
The Recent FOOD crisis. Why didnt countries so well equipped to destroy each other
couldnt see this coming?? Its not always about radars and automatic weapons.
U CANNOT CALL IN AN AIR STRIKE FOR THIS!!!. Neither can ur weapons satisfy their hungry albeit they can eliminate it if thats what some of you want.
Sasha you’re in the United Kingdom honey, the UK has tried to dominate the world for centuries and were driven out of India by Ghandi who didn’t even fire one shot. England still has colonies all over the world. Sasha have you been to Vietnam lately? I have 3 times, I love it there, I’m an American and they are quite appreciative for what the U.S. did by taking a stand against communism and now we see Vietnam was a wonderful strong country with a strong open economy which is more and more capitalist with western stores but with Vietnamese culture. Vietnam and the U.S. are allies, samething with Japan, South Korea, Germany. I will bet you anything in 25 years Iraq will be a strong country with a strong economy with it’s own Shia/Sunni government. Sasha should worry more about radical Muslims taking over her country who openly say in front of mosques there “We will install Islamic Sharia law onto you!” As you can see in this video here of Muslims in Europe = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUoxbR9mwA
We know England is just mad they’re not a world super power anymore, so they can sit back and act like Oxford elitist snobs with their cocktail drinks in one hand and their noses pointed up in the air making fun of America.
In response to proAmerica
Living in United Kingdom for my education does not make me guilty of its past any more than visiting Germany would make you a Nazi. It is because of ignorant, arrogant and extreme nationalist people like you that I rejected the US universities, Harvard and Stanford.
By the way, a you have a few wrong notions and misconcepts in your above comment:
Sasha also India has the largest amount of people with HIV and Aids than any other country on earth. In 2006 UNAIDS estimated that there were 5.6 million people living with HIV in India, which indicated that there were more people with HIV in India than in any other country in the world. That does NOT come from the U.S., that’s your own problems. Work on it, don’t effect innocent people around the world with it. You did not move to US because you are a coward.
Well proAmerica, HIV and AIDs in India is not ‘our’ problem, it is theirs and those who afflicted them with it. Unlike Americans, we aren’t so desperate that we go to poor third world countries as sex tourists and spread AIDs. If you are so concerned about AIDs and HIV in India, try and do something about it instead of making snotty remarks and tall claims of ‘visiting’ countries that you know little about. That would be far more useful instead of your lame attempts to bash a Cambridge medico who volunteered in a medical aid trip to India on his own expenses. Cowards are people who troll around internet sites to make irrelevant nationalist insults against others, not people who braved a 43 C temperate and tropical diseases to aid poor humans from a third world country. I did not go to Harvard because of Americans like you who are too busy in their own xenophobia, greed and nationalism that they can’t spare a thought for things like humanity. If I was given a choice to live life as an American like you or as a pig, I’d choose a pig’s life.
People like proAmerica have nothing better to do but sit and bully others with their false sense of patriotism. Sasha, I am happy that you have such a deep respect for humanity but don’t let your humanity be clouded against Americans just because of people like proAmerica. People like this exist anywhere in the world but sadly we have the bigger share of them.
Due to repeated insults against comment authors, we have put proAmerica under moderation. All of his/her comments in this site contain inflammatory personal remarks directed at other comment authors’ countries or race. Since this is a site for discussing international politics rather than a platform for enhancing troll skills or boasting, we decided to take this step.
Alright, just to clarify this, what good are missles? Honestly, oo cool you bombed the hell out of a country with nukes, but that doesnt show true strength. Russia thinks they are bad because they have more nukes than the United States. 300,000,000 people > 144,000,000 anyday, no offence. And Mr England, i believe the US saved your ass in WW2, let alone WW1 as well. We didnt lose in Vietnam, there was no cause to fight. Why fight a war when no one believes in the cause anymore. The US realized that South Vietnam didnt want to fight for the cause anymore. See look at the Korean war, South Korea didnt want to fall to Communism, so they fought until they prevented it in their country, and did so.
Bottom line is, Nuclear Stockpiles doesnt determine the true power of a country.
@US protector -What will those 300,000,000 againts a nuclear bombs(controlled by men whoose count did not even reached 100) that are about to fall in front of their eyes? Besides those 300,000,000 includes those imigrants who were planning to bomb US as well. What’s the point of reminding how many American heads living in the US today? American didn’t loose the war? Stop reading western stuff and start reading stuff from the east.
This world spend decades living beneath a Damocles-sword.
The strange thing is that the fear of annihilation in a thermo-nuclear conflict may well have resulted in a certain amount of sanity, which always prevented the unthinkable from actually happening.
And now?
The weapons have not simply gone away…the Damocles-sword is still hanging above our heads.
The question is-
In how far is that strange sanity still there?
After reading through some of the posts here,I have to say that I’m left with a feeling of awakening from one nightmare only to discover that there seems to be another.
One doctrine guiding nuclear defense in the past was termed “Mutually Assured Destruction”.
It provided a very fitting acronym: “M-A-D”.
But that very concept kept the super-powers from going over the edge:
The simple realisation that any direct confrontation between the Soviet Union and the United States would result in the utter destruction of both was enough to shift their focus to playing god on the small scale instead, by way of proxy-wars such as the Vietnam-conflict.
Bad enough-but on balance still the lesser evil.
It seems to me that a truly horrifying obfuscation has taken place over the last few decades.
Otherwise it would be unthinkable that people think about those weapons in terms of “Mine-is-bigger- than-yours”:
That’s a train of thought which begins with the idea that “My country is more powerful,more important,more civilised than yours”.
Those who even remotely begin to believe that have no idea just how close they get to sitting in one boat with the Hitlers and the Pol Pots of this world:
The various dictators with genocidal tendencies which have graced human history with their hellish existance in the past were all united by precisely that kind of idea.
If present generations follow that kind of ignorance,we may one day well end up with the ultimate misconception:
Namely that a nuclear conflict is “winnable”-or even just the assumption that it might be “winnable” as long as it’s “survivable”…
According to the principle “…We can recover from it faster than you can-so we’ll still win”.
Now that would be plain hopping M-A-D…
I think this post is great and I have a good respect for it’s administrators. There is a lot of free information here and honest debate which is truly what Democracy is about.
With regards to the question ” Who has more power? Russia or the US?” The only way to look at this question without having all the facts is with true and questionable logic. We have to be honest as well in the best way we can without showing bias which is very dificult to do especially when most of us hold to one side.
The US and it’s small bunch of allies ( Israel, UK, Australia, Italy, France, Germany and please forgive me as I know not of many others ) have been fighting and invading nations for quite a few years now. Russia is a great nation and I’m sure would not be sitting idle. They have been preparing their military for years now and their army is known to be one of the best in the world. Their technology is also superior to most. I am sure if the US thought they had a chance they would have invaded by now. If the US didn’t lose in a fight with Russia then I can guarantee you that they would be left very weak and any nation with half the power would be able to walk in and take over anyway. The US has out-done itself and the aggression on free nations needs to stop. We are all good people and most of us want peace however we will all fight for our freedoms.
The irony of the fact that not a single country (let it be US or Russia) has been able to unite the world against terrorism strengthens my notion that piling up nuclear warheads is certainly not an indicator of how powerful the country is….Also, i gravely believe that today it is important for us to unite ourselves and fight againstthe deadly evil of terrorism….
This certainly is an interesting website, I just came across it. Now that Russia has invaded a democratic country and wants to removed an lawfully elected president. What should be done? Have the UN talk it to death, let Putin get away with it like Hitler did in Chech (1939) or stand up to Russia?
@ blackcat - Typical American reasoning, devoid of humanity, sense or plain logic. I guess the death of 1600 men, women or children in Ossetia means nothing to you, so long as it is done by your man. Saakashvili is as much the ‘elected president’ of Georgia as is Saddam Hussein is of Iraq. He came to power by displacing the actual elected president of Georgia in the 2003 Rose Revolution. Why the double standards? I am sure, if he was an enemy of US rather than an ally, he would have been a ‘facist dictator’ instead of a ‘democratic leader’. Apparently, democracy means nothing to an American other than a dictionary word to be used when Americans see fit. Scratch an American below their ‘politically correct’ facade and a facist savage, drunk in xenophobia emerges. It is as consistent and expected as ice in Antarctica.
@ Prasoon - The problem is, not every country agree unanimously on who should a terrorist be. According to Russia, the Chechen rebels are terrorists while Americans consider them as freedom fighters, even if they killed 63 primary schoolkids in Beslan. According to Americans, Nelson Mandela is a terrorist while the only act of terrorism he has done is protest and demand the rights for blacks in their own land, South Africa. ‘Terrorist’ is a very loose definition used by governments to vilify their enemies and glorify their allies.The common man is stuck between these definitions, losing their lives and loved ones in the attacks.
What does the populace of Russia and their way of life whether 1st world 3rd world or whatever have anything at all to do with the fact that Russia is, has been and will remain a superpower. In the event of a nuclear holocaust America will become a glass field of toasted radiation chunks. China and Russia are both sick and tired of America trying to take and control the worlds energy reserves. It’s arogant bastards like Bush that are going to kill us all. Suddam like Bin Ladden are CIA operative scapegoats to purpetuate the war machine and keep American economy strong. The weaker it gets the more war it creates. The world has had enough of being bullied around. Russia is saying to US, shut up, we have had enough. Bush says Russia should pull back the fact is if America does not pull out of the middle east as we are warned to do it is over for us. Americans, with their cell phones, texting, and sports are completely in the dark about the stupidity of Washington DC. Britian has plans for Russia China and America to nuke each other so the EU can become the worlds new superpower, it is written and it is happening. The UK has now the worlds most powerful scalar weapon known, the Pluto array in cyprus. It’s named Pluto for a reason, god of hell, now man will bring fire down from the heavens to consume mankind. All this arguing is pointless, and American pride is foolishness and ww3 is NOW.
Hi Steve, maybe you’re right but I think that’s kind of pessimistic POV. Personally I think I will live to see my grandchildren and they can probably expect an easier life growing up than I had, just like it was with me and my parents, and them and theirs before that. As far as America goes, they do goof up a lot but I can’t think of another superpower I’d rather live next door to.
Maybe I am just optimistic though. I do feel awfully lucky to be Canadian in this crazy world of ours.
@Steve
you are right about WW3 if it’s not happening now it’s gonna happen sooner or later WW3 is inevertable, and I think the war on terror might just spark WW3.
it’s people like bush who are trying to control the world and keeping weaker countries under a leash and in doing so they are making more and more enemies.
George Bush is the greatest disaster in human history to date..he went to geogia and promised heaven and earth …forgetting that the Russians have a stake in what happens in their backyard…What would the USA do if the RUSSIANS encouraged TEXAS and CALIFONIA to declare independance and go back to mexico?remember the us purchased these states from mexico in the 19th century for peanuts….and by the way RUSSIAS technology is far better than us in space,in aviation, in the sea…why do you think the space shuttle has more disasters than any program in space? Remember we are not sure if the USA moon landing was real or produced somewhere in a studio in Holywood
Hi. I’m a communication professional who’s been studying misdirection in media for 12 years and I must say the U.S. excels in that department.
Communications is their strong sector, possibly the best at it as well as their production of encrypted messages embedded in mass media messages (or should I say “advertisements”). Sadly I believe that their government’s arrogance has aggravated the way, pushing media to become the biggest Intel strategy they have launched, which has divided their country intro 2 main classes (and i’m not talking about socioeconomic classes):
Leaders and Followers… with the scattered section of nonbelievers (in their government imperialism crap) and theorists that sadden every day for the way their country has developed in this last 40 or 50 years… or more who knows, at least at a massive global scale.
After reading all of the posts in this great blog I stumbled by mistake (nothing is a mistake really, nothing is by chance), I was able to view the fact that international views vs. U.S. views are widely different. US views seem brainwashed (not all off course) by media depictions of conflicts and events. In fact i will reassure the fact that it’s their biggest Intel Op is that of brainwashing. If you want to know lies, watch US press. That’s the only thing I’ve learned from studying it. By studying lies you can learn to understand better the truth behind conflicts and international events… or national.
It is not so far fetched to think of a Bush Administration, in allience with “Big Ass” corporations to destroy a petty building (I know it was huge… but in comparison to bombing countries it’s petty)… in order to give itself a reason to invade zones and make deals that are frightening to human life).
Interesting enough I’d like to recall a nice embedded message found on a holliwood movie called Swordfish. The version I saw was the premier version, where the main terrorist results to be Blah Blah Bin Laden, they later changed it and redistributed using the DVD window. But the theater window version was loyal to the production. It had many … not equal but similar… images that were later seen again on international TV on 9/11. Even nicer that the movie mentions misdirection quite a few times.
Movies and News in US that not only stay there but go international have brainwashing sensitizing (or desensitizing) content to allow them to take later shots and still have the country feeling proud of their international work.
All countries are corporate governments, meaning all governments find collaboration, and coercion of corporations, melting intro national interests, some corrupt, some not, very few 100% legit. Corporations have a say on national security for every nation, and governments have a say on the outcome of that interests. Interests come from the need of … let’s say… stuff. One nation needs all of the oil, the other’s got it… let’s bomb.
One has land and influence… and oil of course… let’s retaliate. Why? … because industry is what keeps the activity mechanism awake. It produces money and keeps changing everything.
Ancient Mayas, as well as Aztecs, and before them Toltecs, used cacao as their currency. If you think of it, it’s quite interesting the fact that you can grow your currency. Meaning that your first cacao bean (or your first buck) may be the only investment you must make to live a life without poverty. A perfect system. But we do not have a perfect system, so greed pushes further than nature or equality.
Did you know that there are innumerable tests that show Antidepressants in the water in various states in the US. It’s not hard to believe taking in fact the enormous research on psychedelic and psychotropic research humanity has made over our existence as a species. Softening the brain is step #1 into brainwashing.
People there, and everywhere else must obtain consciousness of themselves and their environment in order to exchange this limited Operating System they are living.
Their military is advanced specially because of the loyalty they obtain from soldiers. But in brainwashing is desensitizing, and sensibility is a mayor factor in good character development. Reason why most military excersises are unsuccesfull and messy… it only proves in what i believe is a scientific demonstration that even though lesser evolved personalities rule thru oppression, oppression can only happen at the personal level. Oppression is a state of mind one accepts or rejects. Reality is as well.
I hope conflict doesn’t prevail in our mind in order to change the world actively. Nothing is passive really, but not everything we do is active either. Making it active makes us think. And thinking we obtain more than pushing.
Hope to get some comments and I expect no aggression was made by simple observations that mean well.
Regards
Ragno
I just skimmed through alot of this debate, and I wanted to apologize on behalf of many of my fellow American’s posting here, not all of us are sheeple.
I agree that the US (and other well-developed countries) should be held to higher standards than others but some of the fringe theories are just ridiculous. Sure, media corporations a la Coca Cola et al do engage in brainwashing (or whatever marketing term they give it), but the US government? I’m sure there’s a department in the CIA or DIA who would love to say they run a similar program but c’mon, that’s giving them more credit than they could give themselves.
Regarding Georgia, yeah it’s a crummy situation. Frankly I blame Georgia’s president for this mess.
Anti-depressants in the water, faked moon landing…. yeah, sure guys. Universities are probably the biggest hotbeds of anti-establishment and if they say the fractional ppm of anti-depressants’ chemicals is insignificant then I’ll believe them. I studied chemistry and know enough to say the reports aren’t voodoo. Is there anyone in the academic community that can back up the faked moon landings rumour? Preferably a scientist - there’s plenty of PhDs in journalism and communications who advance their nutty conclusions on nothing more than the strength of their prose.
What conspiracy theory is going to come up next? The world’s leaders are lizard people from the star Sirius?
The US does do a lot of self-serving things that aren’t in the best interests of the rest of the world and the environment. But they show a lot of restraint. Their democracy isn’t perfect but everyone everywhere is still working on fine tuning that political system. I’d be more worried about Russia, China or most any other country being the world’s dominant power.
Hahah, maybe I spoke too soon:
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grow up all of you, wars are obselete because of technological developments, if the arsenals of the major nations were unleashed in a major war it would mean the end of life on earth, period, in fact there are studies that prove nuclear war even on a limited scale would be enough to dislodge the planet earth from it’s axis and send us all spinning towards the sun at a rate you wouldn’t want to even hear mentioned …
the emphasis of mankind should be focused on nuclear disarmament, simply because from here on in, and this is bad news to all you sad bastards who never did a day’s military service in your life but get off on hearing about big bombs, there will be no wars … only limited actions, posturing, local incursions, UN missions, rebellions within states, diplomacy etc … a war in the true sense of the word would mean the end of life on this planet … we’re stupid but not that stupid … there won’t be a war … get over it …
I know that the US likes to stick its head into other nations business, but our intentions are to promote peace and democracy. If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people. Iraq may not be perfect, but at least they have a preliminary parlimentary government in place, where the people can vote. They even won a medal at the Olympics, kids are going to school, women have rights. I don’t care who you are, but if you want to live in a society where your “leader” denies you life and liberty, go live in a totalitarian or communistic society where you dont own anything, the government does. I own a business, a house, wife and kids, and am completely free from tyranny. Albeit the US comes across as controlling and imperialistic at times, but they have the best interests of world peace at heart, even if it doesnt seem like it. If we don’t take this route of foreign policy, empires like the Soviet Union would have ruled the entire planet, then we would see who the bad guys really are.
It seems to me this whole disscusion is not about understanding our fundamental diffrences with others. None of us can predict the future. My opinion, there will be no war anytime soon.
Looks like everyone is stalemated in a complicated issue. The facts involved are yet more complicated than anyone’s issues so far. Fact is that Russia at this time is one of the richest countries in the world.With an economy in liquidity far off of that of any allied country. B.P (British Petroleum) and shell are actually fighting over unexploited oil and / or gas reserves in Russia. Fact is they have the money to buy technologies. Fact is the Russian army was actually cloaking in Georgia. Posing as environment and appearing somewhere else. Their army is NOT the ww2 army style, (tactics and most technologies), found in Iraq. The U.S in the other hand is also very technological advanced. Including the pathetic tactics and other strategics used in the past. However, I most point that while u.s has very little holds for secrecy (10 years), Russia secrets are usually hold well over 30 yrs. That’s why we dont see what they hit us with. With new rocket tech, in developments in Russia, and opposed here. Soon we will be far behind once more. And forget stealth. Russia had it before U.S.,and the Germans too. Yes, Hitler had stealth jets that did flew and spied at least. But their trend is to reduce the stock pile. Because of the nick name of the nuke stock piles A.K.A , A.M.D (Assured Mutual destruction). even if some survive, the water, and food will be contaminated 1,000’s of times more than in Japan’s bombs days. Therefore,it would be a conventional war. And one both countries will regret. As on will have to totally rebuild the other. For decades, that’s why they talk,but don’t shoot. If one want to attack another factions, they usually negotiate. And they inform each other of who and where they will attack. Therefore, the allies knew Russia would attack and allowed it. The rest is all the sensationalist press. They even cover the facts that Georgia was sending snipers to kill families and clean up and move in people from Georgia into the area to regain control of Ossea.. they not into winning a war for land. Both countries are into sharing the world economies. Why allies allowed Russia into Georgia? Ask U.k. the British markets are actually the biggest in the world. And British petroleum and shell don’t want to be fully withdrawn from Russian resources. And other stocks magnates. The rest anyone can figure it. I hope i been of assistance. And the Georgia snipers incident were from B.B.C broadcast sys. and Russ. news. Other sources were C.I.A. and other intelligence communities.
@ Proud —-“I know that the US likes to stick its head into other nations business, but our intentions are to promote peace and democracy.”
Promoting peace and democracy account for 30% of your noble intentions.
The rich oil reserve and strategic superiority of Iraq are what really bring Americans there.
Why not invade North Korea and bring peace and democracy there? You don’t do that, because to invade North Korea is not an easy task. You won’t do that, because North Korea is a sterile land not worth that much investment.
@Proud—-“If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people.”
If you hadn’t invaded Iraq, millions of innocent civilians would never have died, which means both Saddam Hussein and America are in a sense murderers. There’s nothing to be proud of.
@ Proud—-“They even won a medal at the Olympics, kids are going to school, women have rights.”
Without invasion of America, Iraq would not have been able to win a medal at Olympics. Oh, really informative. Go to invade the medal-less countries, help them gain medals.
Nothing can justify the invasion of a sovereign country.
The slogan of promoting peace and democracy can never gloss over Americans’ bloody deeds in Iraq.
@ Proud
“If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people. Iraq may not be perfect,
but at least they have a preliminary parlimentary government in place, where the people can vote”
Why can’t you do the same in Saudi Arabia??? You wont do it because you have your puppets ruling
that country. The U.S also supported a dictator in Pakistan for 9 years because he did not act against
their interest. Saddam Hussain got all support from the Americans during the Iran-Iraq war and Iraq was
flooded with American weapons (even chemical weapons) that time. Though he was a dictator, the
Americans did not see him so. But when he was not willing to comply towards American interests,
suddenly he was seen as a cruel dictator and hence Iraq was invaded by the U.S. Infact Iraq was
more peaceful and liberal (when compared with other Gulf countries) under Saddam Hussain, though
he may have commited some mistakes.
@ Proud
“I know that the US likes to stick its head into other nations business, but our intentions are to promote peace
and democracy. If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people”
Your Military has killed almost 3 million Iraqis in the name of promoting peace and democracy!
Not satisfied with that, the U.S has started its ugly tactics in Georgia by supporting the latter to provoke against
the Russians that led to another war and we have seen many civilians being killed there. The Europe is again divided
by the U.S and the world is already in the brink of another cold war. Its better that the U.S mind its own
business rather than promoting peace and democracy. The world would have been much more safer had Soviet Union
existed today.
So now the US is to blame for Georgia too? I can see the US being blamed for Iraq - it was a stupid war and managed badly from the start - but to blame the US for the coloured revolutions of the old Soviet satellites is ridiculous. If Georgia had been in cahoots with the US their dumb president wouldn’t have invaded S.O. during the Olympics, and the US and NATO would have at least been prepared to make statements to the media. Instead Georgia picked a fight it couldn’t win and now the world has to watch Russia disassemble the country. Saying the US is responsible for the mess in Georgia just hurts the credibility of the rest of your argument.
I was reading all what people have to say up here,and it catches my eye that soem people still think that America is the only powerful country in the world.Some say that “these third world countries”……It does not matter if you are a Erd world country or a first world country!If they have the powerful weapons to do damage it wouldn’t matter.Actually,1st world countries have more to lose than 3rd w.countries.There is only one country to blamed for all this mess,you know,it is our country USA.We speak about democracy but we love war;and……………Russia is a very powwerful country and there is no doubt America has feared the Russians for decades,that’s why the US would rather have a COLD WAR with RUSSIA than a real war!!!!
The U.S has trained the Georgian army and had delivered the latest arms
to them. The American Government did not condemn Georgia for its
attack on the South Ossetian civilians but were quick to issue statements
against the Russian retaliation.
Vinod,
It was Georgia’s idea to take on Russia, so now they deal with the Russian response. The reason the US reprimanded Russia was because their response was with excessive and overwhelming force, hurting innocent civilians, not to mention they were probably a bit spooked over international war.
The U.S showed ite double standards when it say that the territorial integrity of
Georgia must be respected but they did everything to recognize the independence
of Kosovo from Serbia inspite of the latter’s opposition. Everyone knows that
Serbia is an ally of Russia and so it is natural for the West and the U.S to recognize
the breakaway province of the Serbians but when the U.S ally (Georgia) face the
same situation, the U.S and West talk about territorial integrity of Georgia!!!!! I think
they are completely biased on the whole issue.
Friends it really hard to comment on situation like Georgia Russia war. Georgia tried to capture the land of South Ossetia. I don’t think West should interfere in such issues. Taking care of human life is a completely different issue. If such a case arise UN should ask formally. I don’t know what everybody mean by world community? Is it US and allies? It looks more like that. I think the way US think is very Narrow restricted to their advantage and always want to keep themselves on a safe side. If US and allies invades any country that is war against terrorism and if any other country does that its invasion. GR8.
The U.S. isn’t justified in reprimanding Russia because of its actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Without a tacit nod of encouragement from the West, in particular the United States, this mess wouldn’t have started in the first place. Why must the U.S. train not an ally, but an anti-Moscow regime so close to Russia’s borders? Why must the U.S. insist that Russia be blamed for this mess, when it was Georgia that started it? Why the push to admit Georgia into NATO even after the promise made to the Soviet leadership that NATO will not expand eastward.
I’ll clarify my position. With numerous recorded war crimes and crimes against humanity, the United States is the last country to have any moral credibility to reprimand another nation that (A) warned the Georgian leadership against such an action with a guarantee of retaliation; (B) went to the U.N. Security Council for an emergency session to ask for intervention; (C) after exhausting available diplomatic options, reacted the way it said it would react.
It is hypocritical of the U.S. lame-duck-ship to condemn Russian actions when it is itself guilty of such actions — Iraq and Afghanistan, in recent history — in Serbia, and the unilateral and very illegal recognition of Kosovo.
Regardless of the imaginations of members of the Bush regime, it actually does take two to tango.
Russia instigated the Georgian conflict. They granted passports en mass to disaffected people living in Georgia. They supplied the S.O. militias and let them operate freely, which is certainly not comparable to helping train the official army of a nation. The Russian “peacekeepers” did nothing to stop the harassment and ethnic cleansing of pro-Georgians in the troubled regions. Russia was setting up the situation so its absorption of the enclaves would eventually be inevitable. When Georgia attacked and tried to take S.O.’s capital (something which nobody wanted or supported) the Russian response was disproportionate and shattered the country.
Why should the West be concerned? The elephant in the parlour is Europe’s energy needs. A planned pipeline was to run through Georgia which would have bypassed Russia and their oil/gas blackmailing. Now Russia has Europe by the short-hairs and its neighbours-slash-former-slave-states are terrified.
I’m sure Russia would be happy to hear they have your full support. Depending on where you live they might even give you a passport.
Russians attacked Georgia because 2000 civilians (Russians) and 20 Russian
peace keepers were killed by the Georgian army (Trained by the Americans)
in S.Ossetia. The Americans invaded Iraq (saying that Saddam Hussain murdered Shias),
killed millions of civilians and hanged their dictator. They have nothing to do with
the internal affairs of another country but still they interfeared and made it a hell.
Imagine if the U.S citizens or peace keepers were killed by another country (even if it’s a soverign/democratic state), like what the Georgians did against Russians !! The world would have even seen another nuclear attack by the Americans against that soverign state.
Vinod, you are from India? And your country has border disputes with China? How would you feel if China started granting passports to everyone who wanted one in the northeast? Then supported revolutionaries, and when India tried to crack down invaded to protect their “citizens”?
There is no evidence that 2000 people were killed. Nobody is giving that figure except Russia.
Go ahead and keep bringing up America and Iraq. I’m not American and neither is the majority of the world outraged by Russia’s invasion and imminent annexation of Georgian territory. You seem to hate America so much you’re happy to see other parts of the world suffer in its place.
Moral equivalency is the last resort of those who engage in or promote what cannot be justified.
Canuck, First of all I don’t hate America but the foreign policies of American Government. We don’t have Chinese speaking citizens living in India and so your comparison on that note is not acceptable. S.Ossetia has 80% of its population who speak Russian and there was a referendum conducted in S.Ossetia before 2 years and the majority voted for independence. But Georgia/U.S and its allies did not accept the verdict, which was unfair and the Russians utilized the opportunity and
started giving passports the Russian speaking citizens. When the S.Ossetians have no problem in accepting Russian passport there is no need for others to keep commenting on that issue. Nobody knows what is happening in S.Ossetia because there is no Western media coverage there (as they are completely biased) and hence we have to accept what the Russians say
regarding the death toll. What we see from some Western news channels is that of Georgians cursing the Russians but nothing is shown from the other side (S.Ossetians views).
How about Pakistan granting mass passports to Kashmir residents and then using India’s excessive response to recent demonstrations as a reason to invade? But that isn’t really plausible either, because Pakistan couldn’t do anything like that. It would more likely be the reverse, given India’s size advantage. Perhaps I can understand your indifference to Georgia’s plight.
S.O.’s referendum wasn’t recognized because they held it after displacing the ethnic Georgians. You say “US and its allies” didn’t recognize it but we’re talking about the whole world community, including your own country.
I agree that it is complicated and I’m in no way saying Georgia is in the right in the whole situation. After the Soviet Union fell there were lots of 1st and 2nd generation ethnic Russians scattered outside its borders. In the Ukraine and Baltic states they constitute large portions of the population. When the newly freed republics started to exert their own identity it led to disenfranchisement amongst the Russians. In some cases it may have gone too far, obviously in Georgia’s case by denying S.O.’s and other enclave’s linguistic rights, among other less visible discrimination like skimping in development and services.
But the problem is this is a new situation in modern history - the conquering empire (Soviet Union) collapsed and many Russians suddenly became expatriates. Areas in the new republics that have ethnic Russians yearning for rule from Moscow have two choices: leave behind the place they were born and start over in another country or try to redraw the borders. Many people will naturally choose the latter option, if they think it will work. It’s the same with separatists movements all over the world.
The problem here is Russia allegedly had a hand in helping the Georgian separatists. Russia is unhappy with Georgia for a number of reasons that would be too long to get into. So after a round of fighting in the 1990s they moved uninvited into the enclaves to act as peacekeepers. Once in, they refused to facilitate an UN peacekeeping force - keeping themselves in control.
Georgia claims they supplied the rebels with all the Russian equipment they use. That can’t be proven because they could buy it all on the black market, though one would wonder with what money since they live off Russian subsidies. What is known is that the Russian peacekeepers never stopped the rebels from shelling and sniping nearby Georgian villages and Moscow granted Russian passports to all the residents.
Georgia got sick of the sniping and their president made a fatal calculation. He decided to try and take the S.O. capital while everyone was busy with the Olympics, using the rebel attacks as an excuse. He assumed the European investment in a pipeline, and especially the US interest in getting Georgia into NATO, would keep Russia from retaliating. He probably assumed Russia wouldn’t do anything in the first place.
We all know what happened then. Russia came in and trounced Georgia. At first everyone thought they were going to limit it to securing S.O. Nobody, including the US, minded. How could they expect otherwise? Unlike the Georgian president everyone knew it wouldn’t work. Even after securing the enclaves, Russia kept bombing Georgia. They said they were destroying the military infrastructure so Georgia would quit fighting. But Georgia had already quit fighting and was suing for peace. Russia ignored it and moved into Georgia, occupying towns and large parts of the country. Then Russia started destroying the economic infrastructure, stuff that can’t be said to be military targets - power stations, government buildings, schools, roads, etc. And they helped expel the remaining Georgians living in S.O. And they set up checkpoints refusing their return. And they’ve told the enclaves that they can expect to be absorbed into Russia within the next few years.
The problem is this isn’t the way peacekeeping is supposed to work. You’re not supposed to covertly enlarge your borders the way Russia is. Hitler did this exact - literally, exact - same thing to Poland and Czechoslovakia. He had a historic justification too - even better than Russia’s. It didn’t work out well.
Because the US was grooming Georgia for NATO, there’s a lot of people on this forum and in the Kremlin that are trying to blame Washington. But they are wrong. Although there are similarities, Kosovo is not a direct parallel. I’d be happy to talk about the history there too. But regardless, moral equivalency - saying the US or someone else did it so it’s okay for Russia - is not a valid defence.
And G.Vinod, you are very wrong about Western media. Even a casual reader of Western news will always hear all sides of a story. Even Foxnews, however flawed and dismissive they can be, present more sides of the story than the Russian media. Everyone in Europe and North America is constantly hearing both sides, with Russia’s tirades always getting front page news and analysis. In contrast it is in Russia where media outlets are shut down if they don’t adhere to the Kremlin’s rules. Your own country too tried to shut down Rediff news for their investigative reporting. The West’s media isn’t perfect but it’s the freest and offers the most balanced coverage.
(Sorry for the long post! We can talk about Kosovo another time.)
Canuck, Russians repeat the same thing in Georgia as what the U.S and NATO did in Yugoslovia a decade ago. Russians have again emerged as a strong power under the leadership of Mr.Putin but the U.S and NATO
have always suspected the Russian intensions. Today there is a large naval buildup by the U.S and NATO in the Black Sea which is only makingthe situation worse. Humanitarian aids are distributed to Georgia by U.S/NATO naval vessels that carry cruise missiles!!! Russians say that military equipments are delivered to Georgia along with Humanitarian aids.The planned missile defence shield by the U.S in Poland at this juncture, which the Russians bitterly oppose, is not going to improve the situation either.Even today the Americans talk about Soviet’s invasion on Poland and Czech
(Even Ms.Rice was referring it in a press meet in Georgia) which happened 4 decades ago. But when we talk about U.S/NATO invasion on Iraq nobody in the
West likes it. The Soviet’s were assured by the west/U.S that the NATO will not be expanded towards east and hence the German wall was brought down making way for the unification of Germany. But what we saw in the past 15 years was that all the Baltic States, Poland, Czech, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria have been admitted into NATO!! Again the U.S wants to bring Georgia, Ukraine,Moldova into NATO, there is every reason for the Russians to act this way. The
Russians feel that they are surrounded by enemies and they are taking counter measures now.
I don’t agree with your analysis of the US’s actions but even if they are correct they don’t excuse Russia’s imitation of Nazi Germany by using ethnicity to annex and absorb another country’s territory. Kosovo is independent, currently administered by the UN, and has a completely different history (I’ll do a comparison later). S.O. is about to become Russian territory. It’s a shame you are so fixated on America that you don’t give a rat’s butt about Georgia. All you do is defend Russia and say they are simply imitating the US. So I assume when the US does something like this you will defend them too and bring up Russia’s current activities. Let’s make this clear - no matter who does it, it’s wrong. Can you put aside your bias against the US for a minute and acknowledge that what Russia is doing is wrong?
I don’t have to defend the Russians and it’s not my job either. I have highlighted the
root cause of the present problems in S.Ossetia (i.e NATO expansion towards east)
and what is your response for that??? If you have an answer then make it directly.
The crises is not going to end here and the next target may be Cremia (Ukraine).
Please don’t talk about the stupid U.N. What was the U.N doing when Iraq was
attacked??? Did America had U.N approval to attack Iraq??? The answer is NO!!!
If you don’t agree with my views it’s fine but I can also say that you are biased
against the Russians and it’s a shame on you too for defending the U.S and
NATO because we all know how the prisoners of war are being treated in
Abu Gharib prison by them. We even doubt whether they (U.S Military and NATO)
are civilised when taking note of that issue.
Again I wonder why you keep bringing up America’s misadventures when we are talking about Russia and Georgia. I am free to criticize the US’s ‘war on terror’ just as much as I am free to criticize Russia’s actions in Georgia. You may be right that Russia overreacted because the US is trying to get the surrounding republics into NATO. There’s a big debate about that and most governments and academics don’t think it’s a good idea because it will raise tensions with Russia (and they were right). It is Bush’s pet project and probably won’t last past his presidency. These factors might explain Russia’s actions but they don’t excuse Russia’s actions. It’s not being biased to say so.
I don’t support civilians being killed and a soverign state being occupied in the name of war.
If a soverign country is attacked and captured by the big powers (Be it Russians or Americans)
then it should be opposed in every possible way. It’s sad that many civilians were killed in
Georgia due to this unwanted war but I feel that the Georgian Government could have acted
with sense by not provoking the Russians.
I think we can agree that the Georgian president is a fool. His invasion of S.O. was a bad idea, with bad timing and badly planned. But it’s not just that he is stupid - he is repressive against differences of opinion in Georgia and he says very blunt and threatening things to people and groups who are weaker than him. The Georgian opposition accuses him and his inner circle of being responsible for several murders and he stifles criticism in the Georgian media. I don’t think Saakashvili is a model leader for a democracy. But since he just won an election less than a year ago I guess Georgia is stuck with him for a while.
Hey guys, very intrigueing discussion going on here. What does everyone think about the recent flexing of military might on behalf of the kremlin? Oh by the way, not all americans are completely cocky and illiterate. In my personal opinion I think we should drop all foreign policy and close our borders. At that point we go nuetral and say oreuva everyone else. Cause really, what business is it for us to tell different cultures how to think or what is right or wrong because doesn’t that simply come down to paradigms and social schemas? The nations of our current world have all come up into their own with their certain idealogy and an infant (in comparison) like the U.S. has no right to impose on those legacy’s.
Dan: I don’t think the US could turn isolationist without killing its economy. I’m sure a lot of people would like to see the US vacate the Middle-East but that’s unlikely to happen so long as the world continues to run on oil. Not to mention Israel, which is apparently a very large concern for the 25% of American voters who are evangelical Christians. I can sympathize with you though, I’d love to see Canada covered by some kind of force field.
Regarding the Kremlin’s muscle-flexing, I think they’ve identified the narrow window of opportunity they have between the high energy prices and their shrinking population and they’re trying to take advantage of it (a situation one of my professors says Iran is in as well). The politicos and apparatchiks running the show all came of age during the Soviet Union and they’re not quite up to speed with international diplomacy and global markets. I believe Russia will make some short-term gains but may suffer in the long run. Or maybe not. Putin is a smart guy and he plays the Machiavellian game with the best of them.
I think that you have being saying in one way or another may or may not be true. America is a power and Russian is also a power but the difference is who is willing to fire first and how will the enemy react. I think if a nuke war started America will lose not because they don’t have the technology but because they will use the so called 5th or 6th generation system that are good on paper but can not perform. For example You can not compare an F-22 Raptor to the Mig 35 or Su-29, Russian jets are not built for show but to delivery the intended results. America on the other hand builds weapons for show they are too good on paper but when put to a real set they can not perform. Lets just hope that neither me nor you will leave to see the day when our beloved world will play host to the greatest weapons test of all times.
economic threat and meltdown is a bigger worry than military threat. Could that day be closer when Americans would just starve to death rather than being attacked by another attack. That would be a nightmarish scenario for Americans but many will and would be celebrating around the world.
That’s why Western countries subsidize their farmers and heavily tax food imports. If a country doesn’t have the strategic ability to feed itself it is at the mercy of food exporting countries. The US is one of the largest food exporters in the world and its subsidies keep American farmers from converting their grains to cash crops. There’s no risk of America starving in the near future but the same can’t be said for many other countries.
I see that everyone has been focusing in economics and military power. A superpower status is gained by influence over other nations. A lot of countries do enjoy superpower status to an extend. Language is the primary influence, when the other states attempt to introduce, words or do business in the superpowers language. According the the United Nations (World Bank), which administer finances for R&D on the entire globe, including loans etc. to all countries, the two main business languages of business on the entire world are Spanish and Chinese. English is below 7th. And anyone thinking its wrong must understand that when you travel on business , you usually go to neighborhoods where your language is in use. So people seeing it believe (stereotyping) that their language dominates earth. I personally done this for years, but I never stereotyped it. In a war the 3 countries, China, Russia and United States are capable of surviving over 30 days. The 3 have big armies. But Russia tends to hide their developments for 30 yrs or more. And the 3 have great achievements in rocket tech. With Russia extremely advanced over the other 2 nations. No clear winner would come out of a nuke strike. The 3 states know the fall out would affect them and kill them dramatically. Therefore, don’t expect any nuclear show anytime soon. WW3? no one can tell. But, the 3 nations are capable of eliminating 2/3’s of the world population overnight. Just nuking themselves would do the trick. Horrible.
United States is the superpower of the world today, Russia has a booming economy, China has a great population and has the economy to back it up, Brazil and the European Union are also countries or continents that are in economic growth. The worry is if Russia and China forge an allience and decide to take over other smaller countries in the area, and you know the United States they wont be able to keep their guns out. Russia may have nuclear missles but what use is that amount of numbers you are not bombing the sun, anyway the United States while retaliate with just as much force. The thing America has to stop doing is showing of their equipment because countries like China and Russia will be observing. the other thing is America needs to produce more equipment like tech because if China and Russia forge an alliense they will have the numbers. Unless United states forges an allience with India then you will have the numbers.
@ Spooky
Superpower? What superpower? Is that why Murdoch owns 100% of Aussie media, to teach WASPs that America is a “superpower of the world”? Wake up buddy, the concept of ’superpower’ died years ago.
What Happens when CHina ask America to start paying off the money that it owes to Chinese, credit crunch, house-value decline, weakend dollar. If an average American finds gallon of milk cost now $5 as it used to cost $1.80 just only 3 years ago. Small things can make big difference when collectively put together. Bush administartion policies are not good but plain stupid. Now we are seeing a bigger group of foreign countries wotking together in economical, financial and military sectors. Never has been seen before that RUSSIANS, CHINESE, CUBA, VENEZULA and MIDDLE EAST working so closely together. In order to start a war you need three things in importance:
1. Money (CHINA)
2. Machines (RUSSIA)
3. MEN (MIDDLE EAST)
if you combine these three factors you can have a army from 3-400 million people with Russian weapons (if not sophistacted as US but equally effectful).
Many in America still think that GERMANS, FRENCH and JAPANESE are US allies. How naive people can be?. I will tell you this Japan will only send two planes to attack America (Hiroshima and Nagasaki). GERMANS AND ITALIANS remember lot of innocent civilans in their countries were killed by US planes. They havent forgotten it. People can have bad short term memory but long term memory can work to its best of use in wake of tragedy. What are the chances that these countries (FRANCE, GERMANY and JAPANESE) will be US allies once they see armies (RUSSIA, CHINA and MIDDLE EAST)?
ISrael may be the only country that will be ready to help US. But even they will feel scared as they know this is a war US cant win.
NOONE (and I mean no single country) is willingly wants to help US in its trouble times (economically and military).
On education front(SCIENCE, MEDICAL) US teenagers are no match for ASIAN kindergartenkids.
People say Britain may came to rescue but British are know to work with those who they dont fee threatened. It was like if you have to find a British, look for in AMERICAN BALLS. Britain is an AMERICAN DOG, but is AMERICA ready to be CHINESE BITCH?
Nitin, that is just silly. You can’t dismiss the idea of Western democracies allying together but present an alliance between Russia, China and the Middle East as possible, let alone plausible. You are correct that France and Germany have good historical memories (I wouldn’t say the same about Japan due to their selective amnesia regarding WW2), and I think their histories would make them fear a dominant Russia more than a dominant US.
In any case, both the US and Russia are not countries to mess with. They each have enough nukes to destroy humanity a few times over. I think if either of them faced certain defeat they would roll the dice and gamble with the fate of the world.
in regards to countries all countries above is no better than the u.s. we all had leaders that gave the country a bad name. Russia couldn’t defend itself from from indians with bows and arrows. The only reason they are a G8 nations is because of thier nuclear weapons that were made in the 40 and 50,s.Thier navy ships are made out of Legos and thier guns are made of playdo. Last thing i remember of war that russia fought was against afghanistan they beat the russians with straws and spitballs,and about Vietnam i think it was the French who started this war,and couldn’t finish it so we went in for them.Now about china why would thier people fight for its country if they can’t even speak there mind without getting locked up,so about the u.s. being china bitches we help build thier economy and with out us buying everything they make,90 percent of the stuff was made thier or taiwan, they wouldn’t BE shit WITH OUT US THIER. Remember they have TO make us pay first so until then thier our bitches. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME FROM THE IGNORANT AMERICAN AND PROUD
On my research on the costs of war- I found out that not only vast amounts of money, technology, trends and geniuses were spent extravagantly. Even lives both soldiers, inventors and the, sad but true, lives of innocent not even aware. I’m from Mindanao, on the southern part of Philippines,unexpectedly experienced face to face a war victim coz unfortunately there was turmoil a few miles away from the city I lived. A 6-year old child that had seen and lived exactly at the premises of the war. The child was very weak and traumatised, he even feared a reporter dressed in combat fatigue. And had freaked out when he saw a soldier getting near us.
Have anybody among you people tried to pay a visit at a war inflicted area?
Before you speak of how fortunate your country because of its modernized armaments and its growing economy, kindly think of trying to step unto the shoes of those war victims. And imagine for yourself how bad it would have been. Soldiers everywhere, warplanes and bomb carriers flying above your head, gunshots and explosions just few meters near your nose. Death and agony will surely be at your stead!
The cost of war isn’t measured on the modernization of defense systems and costs of technology on weapons, the real cost is based on the properties and lives devastated.
Try then, at least, to destroy your own home or maybe burn it down. If you haven’t yet got my point!!!
thomas,you did not finish your statement about Vietnam,”the French started it and you went in for them” ok what happened then?.Americans talk the talk but you have never fought a nation your own size.My guess is you are like a playground bully who goes around beating up on the little guys and claiming to be tough,but when you meet a guy as big or bigger than you you will piss your pants and start crying for your Mama.
I was just reading all the posts and realized just how dumb we really are(I already kind of knew it). The US is just a bunch of crooks. I mean I was listening to NPR the some time ago, and it talked about an Iraqi woman talking about she felt much safer with Saddam Hussein. Besides, how can our soldiers sleep at night knowing how many innocent civilians they killed so far. The whole point of this pointless war is to fight of the “terrorists”. Now there are more terrorists than ever. We wasted trillions of taxpayer dollars in this stupid war and accomplished almost nothing. America went against the UN and started the war anyways. Bush already messed up in his first four years in office and what do we do? We reelect him. (I was hoping Kerry would win). Anyways at least we elected Obama. Maybe he will finally set things straight and give us a good name around the world.
I will just make a quick comment on this site so I can go to the toilet. Russia, China and the U.S fighting in a acutal nuclear war is unimaginable unless they are both being taken over by each other, by simple madness, political motivation or by MAD
(Mutually Assured Destruction). None the less, It would be Russia, China and the “Anti - Nato” comprising of the major former Soviet states v.s the U.S, Nato (Northern Atlantic Treaty Organization) and European Union.
So that ends my comment. Now I shall be taking a pee.
I await your replies.
sorry about my typo’s, i meant “ever” by “every”.
btw, i’m sure that china will take its throne back as it did in ancient times, and the only way to keep china under control without collapsing is to keep a one-party government, you don’t understand how china has suffered in its history. and the u.s.a. has bullied us every now and then, but enough is enough. like someone else said, some countries are tired of the u.s. being the “world police” and having its nose everywhere.
I am from Pakistan.
Right now disgusting UN and Americans are negatively influencing in our politics. American foreign polices is so pathetic. If I am not wrong, world most hated and worst nation is Americans.
But remember PAKISTAN will never ever support to any external power And Nobody has rights to interfere in others countries politics. It’s just due to our weak leadership selfish rulers.
And hopefully this will be resolved very soon.
I strongly in favor to built block of Russia China Pakistan India and Iran to evacuate dirtiest Americans from this region.
I am not against of any country but bogus NITO AND UN should be finish. Its only work in favor of bluddy Americans. They never ever talked about the Iraq / Ghaza / Afghanistan etc. They damn concerned with humanities issues rather then Americans support. This kind of bullshit organization should be finished. Especially China and Russia should take step to develop more justified organization on all over the world behalf.
As for as most powerful nation is concern, only can be decided in battle field.
Well Yestery i was seeing a video in which a person was throwing shoes toweads Mr. Bush.
Well i really felt bed when shoe was missed out. It should be hurl on Bush ugly mouth.
We all can imagine how much other world love to poorest Americans. And now Americal should realize it.
All of the countires like China / Pakistan / India / Iran / Russia / Middle East / European countires / East Asian countires are totaly against of America and their polices.
I want to tell that guy “Only the best”.
Do you know your country is becoming a 3rd grade country, everybody is losing business, banks and businesses going bankrupt. U were so proud that your country is the best. Look now, what has happened, U dont have money to eat, nothing to earn. Whatever u have earned, u spent on liquor and pussies. If india doesnt send wheat and rice to you guys, u all will have to start eating grass.
To increase the crude prices, USA wages war on some country or the other. They want to use their weapons on innocent people. If USA wages a war, its correct. If RUSSIA or INDIA wage a war, they all pussies supporting USA come for a dialogue saying no to war. Its a Hypocrytic rule from USA.
“Only the Best” for your king information, you said ur country is superior in technology. Do you know that 40% of NASA employees are indians, 45% of Microsoft employees are indians, 38% of doctors are Indians. If we werent there America would have struck to cow boy fights and culture.
Never say that ur country is superior, Every country is superior in its own way.
Your proudness has caused recession. Dont know what all that stubborn behaviour is going to cost.
Remember, Anything that goes up has to come down.
Man you dont want nukes to be used on anyone nomatter what right after russia, china, usa or any nuclear country gets nuked the world when end soon after because of chain reactions
anarchy&peace
To anxiety ,yes its true china has grown alot and change but you still can not say bad things about your goverment without getting locked up,so in other words you have no freedom of speech,our country doesn’t controll people lifes by telling them how many kids they can have.Also i agree we need China but china need us as well like it or not,one proof of that is, our economy is suffering right now and so is china and the rest of the planet.Oh to Henry we don’t think we’re better or bigger than any country.In to your response to facing some one bigger,we have before and we even fought ourselves before,Our country might not be perfect but at least i can vote and say that our leaders suck.To the person bloging from Pakistan I know you are not talking shit about U.S. and NATO being negative hell your country supports terrorists,how negative those that get.To henry we never did that to your country so why say that,as i can recall it was England kicking your country around in the playground!!!!!!!!!!! TO END THIS CRAZYNESS THE U.S WILL FALL ONE DAY AND THAT DAY IT WILL BE DEFENDING ISRAEL BUT THAT WILL BE THE END OF THE WORLD,AND THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. MY OPINION THANKS.
First of all, I am American but America is a diverse country with over 300 million people of all stripes and colors. So I only speak for myself and nobody else…and for those “I’m American and I’m so ashamed…”, shut your farcken piehole! You don’t speak for me and alot of other people and don’t pretend that you do.
The original thread was on nuclear warhead stockpiles so I’d like to address that. It costs alot of money to maintain a nuclear stockpile, at least for a “responsible” nation. So I think China has the best deal here because maintaining 90 nukes is a sufficient deterrent considering China’s regionally limited projection. But that will evetually change because China, after all, is run by Communists, and eventually the military will want to modernize, no doubt riding a nationalist sentiment (i.e. “our throne” as expressed by one person here). So they may well expand their inventory which is a waste, IMHO, but it only hurts China. And needless to say there are other powers in the region like Japan that would not take lightly to a Chinese buildup. I have no doubt Japan could build a nuclear weapon in 10 minutes if it had to. Hell, they built the Transformers.
As for Russia (aka Soviet Union), it’s in the worst position, maintaining huge stockpiles it can’t afford to take care of. There are huge security risks with proliferation of the actual weapons, material, and technology. No credible expert thinks Russia is a conventional threat; hell, they could only send one ship down to take on the Somali pirates and even that ship broke down on the way there. And lets not kid ourselves; until Premier Putin gets out of the picture, as far as I’m concerned, it’s still the Soviet Union. The U.S. missile defense is not a threat to the Topal (another waste of money, IMHO) but it was never designed to be. Soviet propaganda plays it out but really, it’s about ownership of Ukraine and Georgia and all the other “previous” Soviet republics. It’s really about the shadow government operating behind the auspices of the Russian “Republic” or even “Democracy”, but it’s still the old players, the communists who believe that Ukraine and Georgia belong to them. The U.S. doesn’t need to put a missile defense in Poland to protect the U.S. from Iran. Iran can’t hit the U.S. but it can hit Europe and you can be sure of this: When Iran announces it has nuclear weapons, and they will, Europeans are going to be asking “is the missle defense built already????”. Because any reasonable person knows it’s only a matter of time before some religious fundamentalist lunatic starts yelling “Allahu Akbar!” and pushes the button.
As for the U.S., the stockpiles would probably be reduced to reduce cost and reflect the current world situation but thanks to the Topal, there is talk about resuming testing and construction of new missile systems. And the U.S. can build a missile just as well as Russia but of course all have their strengths and weaknesses (CER, payload, speed, etc) and in the end it’s just another nuclear arms race that’s just a waste of money. Russian has a sizeable economy but much of it is due to oil money. Great when oil’s 150$/barrel, not so great at 48$/barrel.
lol
Your ancestors were Europeans. If you’re black - Damn, your ancestors were Slaves. So tell me, Americans, what kind of nation is that? Build up by slaves and migrants. You’re just a dirty crowd out of hundreds of nations.
Then telling others nations 3rd world countries.
Russia is not interfearing in Ukraine’s/Georgia’s affais but it’s the U.S which uses these countries as puppets against the Russians.
Facts only,
the USSR made the most advanced bomb on earth using new innovative technology. the Russians only got an idea of how to make the bomb which is why they made it so soon. just like the Americans and the allies got their information from Germany.
PEOPLE. This is fact THAT US is a super power now.
India OR Pakistan are nothing front of America.
I think only China and Russia are capable to fight against USA.
‘pandora’s box has been opened’, no matter how much we desire to rid ourselves of nuclear weapons, we cannot rid ourselves of the knowledge and technical knowhow. The USA is like any previous imperialist powers, once power is acquired they will not want to relinquish it, and use any method to retain it. One way to curb the excessives, not militarily but politically would be to do away with the security Council of the UN. The permanent members are the biggest dealers in death, in that they sell vast quantities of weapons. All major issues facing the world, whether its darfur,Kashmir,Palestine or Tibet are not dealt with because one or more permanent member of the Security Council either Veto’s or abstains.
In relation to ‘who has the biggest bombs’, it doesnt really matter if a certain number from either side make it to their respective targets then what is left but death and destruction. The biggest fear for most modern societies is biological weapons, take for example the Ebola virus, highly dangerous. The flu pandemic alone is a major killer.
All imperialist powers lose their power status sooner or later,a and are replaced by another its the way of the world.
Ofcourse, I nearly forgot.
@ HoozUrDaddy
‘????”. Because any reasonable person knows it’s only a matter of time before some religious fundamentalist lunatic starts yelling “Allahu Akbar!” and pushes the button’.
The previous nut in the White house(Voted into office my the people of USA) said he was on a mission from God(still got re-elected for second term) and ended up in the fiasco known as Iraq, where over 1/2 MILLION Iraqis are dead. When peddling your propaganda please give us credit for having some intelligence, ideally far more than the many ignorant Americans who still think Saddam had weapons of mass destruction(nuclear bombs!).
What the world should be afraid of is the 70 Million US evangelical Christians, a lunatic lot who believe in the scenario, Jesus will return when armageddon occurs, so their support for Israel is also based on this premise, the sooner the world starts to go for nuclear armageddon, the better it is for salvation!.
OK guys ive been readign this for soem while just watching and ive been a little disapointed by both sides from teh ones arguing for Russia and the ones arguing for USA. Lets start with Russia. Its a new country that started with worse economic problems then lybiria but it was able to stand up and in a matter of less tehn 20 years is one of teh top 10 economies of teh world. For a country that has aroudn 150 million peoepl i belive is a VERY VERY big feat. Russias military DID take a beating durrign teh 90’s howvere that doesnt meen that teh research just stoped. Look now at the new s300. It is an anti aircraft and missle defence system. It is the most modern system in teh world. Not Isrealy not french but yes Russian. Look at teh new Berkut a revolutionary jet aircraft that has manuverablity capabilities that are not chalanged by any oterh plane. Look at the Ka-52 helicopter which is just as advanced as the american Apache. Russia has one of the newest tanks T-90 sure it cant be compared to teh abram becaus ethey have never fought but ehy tiem will tell (If you gusy say that the abram is betetr because it killed soviet tanks in iraq those tansk where discharged from teh soviet army i belive in 72?)
America has no less of grand technologies. Look at the F-22 and its revolutionary stealth technologies. Its a grand acheivement but im sorry to say that the s300 has the technology nwo to shoot it down. American army can how ever pride itself in its superb comunication abilities. It has teh most interconected military in teh world ( besides Isreal). In a full scale convensinal war taht is CRITICAL how ever its is a very expensive system for each soldier to have a means of comunication with command.
Now since thsi isnt talking about a conventional war but a nuclear exchange its alot diffrent. Now both countries have around 5000 nukes each ( please i knwo its wrong but lets pretend). so if we divide the population of teh united states 300 mil by 5000 and u get 60000 people per nuclear explosion. taht means that almost every decent town and citi will eb leveled. every school and hospital will eb destroyd. there will be no mroe comunication and there will be no mroe civilized life in america. For russia it comes out to an even worse figure. THERE WILL BE NO WINNER IN A NUCLEAR EXCHANGE. Both countries will get the missles of teh ground before the otehr countries land. Trust me gusy if this shit breaks down to point of nuclear exchange head down to your local tunnle bridge and bunker and get ready cause you will all be fightint to survive.,
i hope new era begin… alliance between russian, china, india, brazil, pakistan, Mideast, Southeast Asian, canadian, mexico.. can hold US invade the other country.. Asia, Central South American, Canada, Mexico & Mideast is to often feel colonialism from western and U.S… this can created new era for MidEast & Asian & South central American & canada,mexico People..
india, china, russia, brazil is the most faster growing economic country.. and other have a good military.. enought to make silent U.S..
Western still ok,
but (U.S is to Evil)..
and i agree about the UN is puppet..
(sorry my english language not to good..)
How ever that is a very unprobable scenerio.Alot of those countries have beef on each otehr and not alot of countries will openly go against the US. So in truth the world today is balanced very well and a huge full scale war will be devestatign even to teh winner because of all teh alliances that have been made
can nukes use to destroy asteroid? i think they will not use it at war.. maybe can usefull to use for something usefull to earth than to destroy earth..
Russia is a 2nd world country and China is a 3rd world country. That doesn’t mean they are not powerful and cannot stand up to Obama. China can turn America into a 2nd world country by destroying its financial system through the dumping of US treasury bills. China can turn the US dollar into worthless paper. Just the other week the US sent a spy ship into China that got chased away by FISHING BOATS. The US actually has the balls to send a destroyer to escort the spy ship, which is retarded considering China has about 10,000 ways to turn that destroyer into scrap metal. Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal and its ICBMs are actually far more advanced than the US’s. They are road mobile vs silo based, so they can hide in underground bunkers or mountain fortresses, giving them a true land-based second-strike capability. Russian MIRVS are maneuverable and deploy more advanced decoys than American ICBMs. China has also recently deployed a road-mobile ICBM with MIRVs, but Chinese ICBM technology is still behind Russia and the US’s. Who cares if the US has a stronger conventional military? If the US really dared to bring the war to Russia or China the whole world would end.
btw LOL at the Indian posters that put their country in the same category as Russia and China.
Hey guy it is a common misunderstanding what a first second and third world country is. A first world country is a country taht was allied with the USA and NATO durrign teh cold war such as england france USA canada. A second world country is a country allied with teh soviet Union liek cuba and egypt. A third world country is a country that wasnt allied with anyone liek most of africa. This also simultaniously also seperated the poor from teh rich. SO calling a country a first world country is a very week term cause it doesnt say anything. Also if Russia or china dared bring war on USA or each other teh world would be “over” too. America is not teh only country that has teh ability to destroy billions.
I’m reading all your comments and I want to say one thing. There should either be WW3, or the United States should be erased from World Map.
Seriously.
No dude curently teh world is very stable. All those minor conflicts wont do anythign to teh stability. for ww3 to happen there woudl need to be a full invasion of a main country. as soon as that happens nukes will fly and its over. Now if we removed teh US NATo woudl be useless and europe would be overrun by russia be caus ethere woudl be no one to stop em. so curently its very stable
Everyone Cut the crap, We all know the U.S. is the strongest in almost everything or at least the major stuff. We all know that when the U.S falls, the whole will fall with it. There will not be a higher power sorry the system is already set up that way.
God BLess America.
Really please do tell hwo the US is stronger then everyone else?? Please do tell of their masterful technology. The US did pioneer the modern tank and now teh UAV but it has been overtaken by otehr european countries (also isreal). Anti-missle technology is at its peak in Russia. The best curent battle tank is between Russia, Germany and isreal. The Abram was made in teh 80’s and is wonderful against cold war tech but not top of teh line anymore. America also has teh new F22 but that is even being rivald by the eurofighter. America doesnt have a high percentage of people in teh military or have ever recieved military training so i dont knwo what you are saying. Sure your ego is flaming but trust me this isnt a unipolar world anymore, You have Europe, Russia, China, India and otehr countries that are commign up to claim their own. So if you do have soem solid facts id loev to hear them.
you fuckin moderator…
you deleted my post on Indian superiority but would let racist comments flow…
you psuedo mothafuker calling himself liberal…..
you must be chinese
India is the centre of the world
all you unpure converts out there, who have no ancestral religion and are product of imposed abhramic religion please note
what is america?
might be superior for 250 years
britain ?
ruled few centuries
islam?
ruled few centuries
India ruled and lived best standard of living for thousands of years…
time will change and come back where it belongs
to the land of philosophers, inventers, rich and unpure souls
most of you have hybrid and unpure unpreserved genetics…
you ancestors must be from middle east….sons and daughters of criminals
everyone knows americans and australians are criminals from europe…
everyone is somehow influenced by india….
India is land of original religion… hinduism buddhism jainism…
today china is completely under buddist influence, their kung fu was practiced and pioneered by monks from india who settled in china to protect from chinese barbarians
it doesnt matter how long you people stay superior….India is centre of the world and time will come back….
You people just need to realize its all about the navy! We have the largest navy in the world, and we have it for a reason. We are untouchable when it comes to warfare
If the US military was based around RPGs, I am sure you’d have been talking about how a war is all about rocket propelled grenades and how having a large number of rockets makes you invincible. It is like a fish telling terrestrial animals that having fins and gills is more important that having limbs and lungs.
A country develops its military based on its threat perceptions and strategic priority. For Americans, the navy is ‘all important’ as their security priority is their seas which are a greater vulnerability than its land borders. Mexico and Canada are hardly something that the US DoD can call ‘military threat’.
For a country like China whose terrestial threats are bigger than its naval threat, a land based army would be its top priority. They will obviously concentrate more on infantry logistics, land based strategy and guerilla fighting tactics, more than its navy.
Compared to capabilties of Russian, Chinese or Israeli Army, the US Army is weak and vulnerable despite its gadgetry. Real world battles are not fought like computer games. Guerilla warfare is a lot like having having sex, what it really comes down to is your strength, skills and strategy - not what you can do with gadgets. Did you ever pause and question why the Coalition forces in Afghanistan and Iraq are so heavily dependant on ground forces of UK and other European allies? Your own defence establishment understands this limitation.
Untouchable? If your DoD were to rely on your confidence and confront China or Russia with its navy, most of your fleet would be scrap metal. Thats not to imply that only China and Russia have this capability, but a number of other nations have it too, what with the new generation cruise missile proliferation and all.
U.S.A is totally dependent on Indian scientist .whole world knows this 10% in NASA are Indians.
But Russia n china is fully dependent in itself.
India, china, Russia, Brazil are fastest growing economic countries.. and on other hand they hav a good military.. enough to make silent U.S..
U.S hands in Mumbai attacks read this article as well
Taliban origin history as well
everywhere —->
U.S is an Evil
UN is nothing but a U.S TOOL used to interfere other countries internal issues..
i hurt U.S citizens ,sorry for that but its true….
Willmac..We are untouchable when it comes to warfare..Strange then how a poor army in Vietnam sent you running for your lives.And contary to popular belief in America their fighter pilots outclassed you as well producing sixteen aces to your five or was it three?.Maybe all your technology is not worth a damn when it comes down to man versus man.A big navy is a hell of a lot of use in hand to hand combat.Dont get too big headed over your victories over Grenada and Panama.the only nations you defeated on your own in modern times.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
- Albert Einstein
I think we should start a WW 3 as soon as possible and make sure there won’t be any WW4. Whoever has whatever issue should come and fight in the war and settle down all the disputes once and for all. If you fail that is your bad luck but never talk about war again.
China will be divided in 5 countries….
because their people are too racist towards minorities….
minorities in inner mongolia, xiajiang, tibet and manchuria are treated like second grade citizens….
these regions are still poor and infrastructure is worst compare to south and southwest china….
china likes to supress minorities….
their bullying is not going to work….
another USSR downfall in coming
Its going to be between USA and Russia
what US is doing is absolutely shit….US and BRITs have habbit of taking whats not theirs…..
Russians have learned the lesson and are ready to take on US and EU….
first they will cut of gas supply in EU…..we’ll wait and see what happens next…..
Don’t comment on things that you have absolutely no idea about. I bet you don’t even know who resides in these places. Manchuria is occupied predominantly by Han, ethnic Korean, with a small population of Manchus. And none of these groups have the intention of breaking away from China.
As for your claim of these regions are poor compared to South and Southwest. I think you meant Southeast. That’s the rich part of China
Seeing you don’t even know anything about China’s simple geography. You are no more than just a dumb westerner that loves to talk shit without nothing anything. It’s people like you that makes a bad name for westerners.
oh please…
I have been to China twice…
First know what is Manchuria….it is the land of native Koreans, migrated Hans, and native Japanese. And majority is Koreans, and they are the ones who are fighting for freedom. They dont even speak Chinese. There is no tribe or race or community called MANCHUS as your claim.
Whole world saw what happened in Xianjiang.
And you are not westerner, so dont worry about bad name for westerner.
And for your kind information, development can be seen everywhere in south of China, not just south east. Even small city like Liu Zhou in south are much better than your Canberra.
Get out of your Ghetto aussy mentality. First learn to respect every community instead of racially abusing south asians.
Yes Australians have a tendency to abuse Asians. They live in a land stolen from the native people and maintain an artificial first world life style as population is too low and resources are high. They think they are first world while their economy is a joke even for a third world country. Education is the second biggest industry second to Mining. What kind of first world it is. How can you make fun of countries like Japan, Korea, China. I mean come on get real. They don’t abuse you although there are a 1000 reason to abuse you then what makes you feel so great about nothing? Australia is as first world as Dubai is. Both maintain an artificial first world life style due to natural resources and not cause of their industry. Australia has no industry. A first world without an industry is it not a joke? Stop abusing people and get real. Australians abuse south asians (Indians, Bangaladeshi, Pakistani, Srilankan etc.) cause they are ugly. I mean what kind of mentality is that? It is just like a second USA and they copy everything from the Americans. A very nice country getting ruined by a handful of stupid anglo saxon who still live in the colonial era and brag about it.
All I know from 13th-14th century Genghis Khan to Kublai Khan invading and spanning from Asia across Eastern Europe using old school weaponry driven by greediness. 1769-1821 Napoleon Bonaparte conquered some euroasia countries also driven by greed. Adolf Hitler 1890-1945 something, same invaded Europe driven by greed and crack. These 3 warlord freaks are driven by “greed” and they thought that they can’t be defeated during their time but they did. As what I had observe Iraq before invaded Kuwait, Iraq today invaded by USA if America continue their plan invading Iran ,north Korea or Syria eventually USA will fall, same old story, history repeat itself. Today it is impossible that USA will be defeated becoz of their military might, but if driven by greed then they are not so different with the 3 warfreaks.
I’m not a smart person but I know for sure that death is inevitable and new generation arise again with the same problem. Instead of spending billion of dollar on military technology how about spending on eliminating bad habit. Make a sort of vaccine that will eliminate bad habit specifically “greed”. I know we human are driven by various of hormones that make as laugh, cry, eat, etc. By doing these we leave in harmonious life and we are united to cure global warming. And if possible double the sexually hormones. LOL
It’s lovely to see my fellow Americans boast military strength. While a mere 10,000 (presumptive - war on terror) dead causes 8 years’ worth of uproar and civil distrust. Fear nuclear bombardment, not death. Russia is nothing like it used to be in it’s prime. China poses a bigger threat, but Russia is no pushover.
This message is for only SOME of the American reviewers out there. For those who are so fanatically pro-American, try to look at the world from a global perspective instead of from your narrow, opinion-based view, maybe then I can actually agree with you on some of the things you said.
all those gusy talkgin abotu india, australia and china breakign apart think abotut hwat yoru saying. ida man says india has USA by the balls? well russia got ur balls. where are you getting your weapons? i dont think its walmart its russia. australia doesnt even coem close to Eu Russia USA or China. And seriosly gusy america is THE SHIT. they have very well trained troops. they have very up to date military and a great production potential. Im am Russian but im nto ignorant. However America has a Weak goverment. if Russia or Chiona went to war imdustry woudl change ruight away to military production. In america teh individual and his belongings are protected so such a change woudl not be able to made very easely. also if you gsuy havent noticed. a few years or miniscule war has caused 40+% (IDK number) of americans to cry abotu a small conflict. now imagine. every day you ahve 5-25 thousand dead. they arent comming home all that no man left behind bulshit wont last logn man. it comes down to efectiveness resoursfulness and without the use of nuclear weapons america woudl eb destroyed in 6 months from lack of resources. all oil, rubber production would be haulted by oposing forces actions and america woudls imply run dry.
thsi isnt soem bs assesment just think abotu it how much america uses to upkeep its masive armada.
also tehy guy talkign abotu habnd to hand combat. for 2 soldiers to go to hand to hand means that they lost their weapons, tehir knife adn they helmets adn shovels adn soemhow managed to find each oterh on teh battlefield. so who is better? no one. all the countries can not wiep out either. So chill out yellign at each other. you can compare military hardwar but you cant say which country is better until teh war is over. hope that day never comes ladies
Yes but did not a lot of Russians cry about “miniscule war”in Afghanistan and eventually withdraw from the country.And my comment on “hand to hand combat”is of course not to be taken literally but as in close quarter combat with small arms.And even if one country is militarily superior to another other overlooked factors can be a decider such as the russian winter in both the napoleonic and axis invasions of Russia.Also terrain and foliage or lack of.Tecnology works a lot better in desert than it does in jungle.Tanks are far more effective on open plains than they are in mountains.Many other factors beside who has the biggest guns and fastest planes decide the outcome of a war(although these are a plus to the side that has them).So I agree with you that nobody can say which country will win until the war is over.Unless the size disparity between the nations is so great that its almost certain that the giant one will prevail,but even thats not certain as was proven in Vietnam
Yo man those factors are never over looked. when first stricks were hapening in iraq they were mesuring water vapor density in air for acurate bombings. winter wasnt overlook in russia its just they thought they could win before hand. the only thing that hold countries back is “morality” check out diffrence to chenya and iraq. same thing really but very differnt outcomes. iraq u gusy are still there. in chechnya the whole country was destoryed adn leveled to teh ground. their cicties were gone btu the threat was terminated.
So do you think the point of such a devestating total war would be do promote a fre goverments?? no man its to absourb that teritory and people. They get out of line? SHoot em. what are you more afraid of? giving up soem freedom? or having every 1000th person in a city shot in city square? women child male no distinction. That is war. not libiration or humanitariansm. i fyou wan efectiveness you need brutality. Also countries that work thsi way in war are strong enough to not be pushed by political presure because the countries pushing dont wana push too far knowing what will happen to theri people. Also no one would let those easter european nations defect. You think Russia would be like oh u dont wana? aa ok i got you gl man. lol no. you woul dhave tanks rollign through protesters. dogs reliexed on people. and murder. once they are in line they wont defect. when it comes to total war countries and races unit very fast. and i garantee you even though there is racial tension between chinese peoples as soon as thereis war they are all on the same boat. same with eastern europe. and those that dont will know exactly what heppens. (talkign about ukrain). so look man war is brutal. there is no honor, there is no right.
also chechnya wasnt destroyed. i was exagerating. Grozny was badly damaged but only 1/3 of it was bombed and thats where the fighters were centralized.
RedRussian I think the point has already been proven.All the Warsaw pact nations wanted out of the Soviet Union and are now clamouring to join NATO.And no western european nation ever wanted to join the Warsaw pact.There is a saying you can force a horse to water but you cant make him drink it.I am sure here in Ireland during the “troubles” here the Russians could have destroyed the paramilitary groups in a month and the problem would be capped but not solved.The British on the other hand took 30 years to solve it and a much better result.Now all the waring factions are working together with nobody feeling they are the vanquished and nobody feeling they are the victor,no master and no slave so to speak.The British way of doing it with restraint and patience in my opinion is much wiser long term than the Russian steam roller method
What i am describing is not the Russian method. Its alot more liberal then what i am describing. And ya all warsaw pact nations left and now wats happenign to em?? you got em kissign americas ass because they cant do anythign for the,mselfs. they are stealing gas, and they got soem crazy racial rifts there that no one knows about. Also sometimes when you are at war pacience isnt somethign you can have. Time usually flys and if its not done by next week implement harsher methods. However that si not always neccecary. when Germans took france over. a bit of fightign and everyones lives were back to normal. soem french men didnt want americans to come because they didnt wana go through teh turmoil again. Oh and for the ireland scenerio it can be solved fast. woudl you continue bombings if for every russian civilian or soldier tahtw as lost 10 irish civilians woudl be executed in town square. as soon as that happens the irish themselfs will eb turning terorists in because there is a chance that their son or daughter or motehr could be killed. Have you ever heard “ciolence resolves conflict”?
Well the topic started from US, Russia, and China;s nuclear Warhead Stockpiles, and where it has reached?
U.S and Russian Nuclear warheads are much more public then the Chinese. I wont be surprised if Chinese have more than Americans and Russians. The number do matter but how you deliver, how precise you deliver, and the timing of delivering is what matters more. Today countries have solution for Ballistic missile through Anti ballistic missile shields which is ready or is in development in U.S, Russia and India.
The new deliver vehicles can be the stealth aircrafts which are undetectable by radars. U.S is already ready with one, Russia and India are still developing one (Source : http://enewsreport.blogspot.com/2009/10/russia-to-rule-sky-once-again.html)
Other than this a nation with second or third nuclear strike capability will be on the edge.
China’s nuclear warhead for now is India, Taiwan and japan specific and might be specific for western countries as well. Whereas Russia and U.S doesn’t know why do they have nuclear weapons. As they don’t have any other strong enemy, gone are the days of cold war. and the small- small enemies they have around the world, Russia and U.S can defeat them with a conventional war.
Ok i garantee you that China does not even have a double digit percentage of the amount Russia and USA stockpiled nuckes. Also Look at the Topol and the Trident missles. they are as boss as you can get. huge range and acuracy to within a block in a city. Also check out the S-400 anti aircraft system. It can shoot down balistic missles winged rockets and stealth aircraft. Its been around for a while. Stealth aircraft are good against anciet AA bataries. And the reason Russia has nucks was not only to destroy america but japan europe parts of africa and all of nato preaty much. It had tank armies tens of thousand strong ready to advance through europe. tha plan was made that if all went right or close to right the Soviet armies would be on DDay beaches normandy within 48 hours of beginign of advance. And truthfully the conflicts that are gona happen between China india pakistan and taiwan are going to be blood baths. Not alot of advanced technology will create huge lines of infantry that are gona slaughter each other.
[...] Originally Posted by ratbert1009ca Well thats assumes that Russia will side with the U.S. in all cases, which from history doesnt seem likely. Any single nation USA or Russia could easily have enough nuclear warheads to annihilate the world! USA don’t need Russia’s help or vise versa! Please read the following source for further details: US vs Russia vs China - Nuclear Warhead Stockpiles | Aby The Liberal [...]
To those who demonizes USA,sorry for you guys.I’m Chinese,all I know is USA supports China’s manufacturing industry significantly.Thank you USA.I love USA.Long Live USA.For China,USA= God of Prosperity & God of War.
Russia= God of Earth (due to its huge land mass).
History tells us of aggressors more terrifying than USA.Guess who?
-Japan: rampaged across Asia in WW2 as rapists,
causes millions of deaths.That’s why USA nukes
Japan.
-Germany:massacre of countless innocent people.
Nazi Germans in WW2= Demons from Hell.
Nazi killed more people in 5 years than USA did
in 50 years.
-Great Britain:this is the country i want to highlight.Who
say USA is worse than Britain.Great Britain
may not be as violent as USA,but its
crooked mentality is far worse than anyone
else.Great Britain looks gracious,but in
reality ,it’s malicious. The British Empire
did a lot of good things:
(1)Unite the world with one languange.
(2)Build up the infrastucture of its
colonies(India,Malaysia etc.)
(3)Encourages good mannerism.
(4)Pioneer in modern day management,
accounting and legal structures.
(5)Pioneer in modern education system.
(6)Pioneer of modern industry.
(7)Get people of different cultural
backgrounds from its vast empire
to know each other to do business.
(8) Provide livelihood to many through
its share in global trade.
However,Great Britain also did many
evil things:
(1)Manipulate the people of its colonies
through instigating strife and struggle
amongst people of different social
classes and racial backgrounds,for
example,conquering India by using
sinister ploys to divide & rule the
different castes of India covertly.
(2)Opium smuggle into China which drained
both the weath & human resources
of China,just like drug pedlars.
(3)Forcing people to the brink of war
just to satisfy the interest of Britain.
Great Britain used many mercenaries to
kill people to preserve “clean” image.
(4)Siphoning the remaining wealth of
some of its colonies prior to giving them
independence,causing pervasive
poverty which becomes one of the
underlying reasons of starvation
in states like India, Egypt, Sudan etc.
(5)Asserting unequal and oppressive
treaties on its colonial subjects.
(6)The biggest slave merchant.
(7)Play nations into war to earn dirty money
from arms sale.
(8)Often used the Word of God to justify
British imperialism & mass murder.
To all those Brits in this blog,don’t get
offended.You Brits are the masters of
superiority complex.Stop being too
judgmental of the Americans.Great Britain
is an influential power,but it is also a
legacy of piracy heritage.Don’t forget!
Chinese Clan..if you think America entered the war against Japan because because the Japanese were comitting rapes.Then sorry to say but you are dreaming.And anyhow the Americans raped 10000 women on Okinawa alone.And if they were bothered by rapists they would have attacked their allies the Red Army,the worst rapists in human history!!.Also when are listing nations body counts you omitted the millions of Russians and others who died under Stalin and the millions of Chinese under Maos crazy “cultural revolution”.Lets not always pick Germans and Japanese or English as the scapegoats for what humanity is capable of.
Yoru comparing an opresion to an extermination of a race. The British fed of of africa and india btu didnt go on a crusade to kill Jews adn slavic people. And teh rape bs. Im more then sure China has always been the viticm. always teh one gettign raped and beaten. get real man every country has its dirty moments durring war.
Hi, I read with interest all these posts, from the bizarre to the sublime, on which I’ll comment shortly.
Concerning a full blown nuclear war, with the current stockpiles of nuclear weapons you’d probably throw up enough radioactive dust in to the atmosphere to keep the Sun from shining properly for 50 years. Lung Cancer amongst others would be the norm.
You’d have a radioactive population worldwide, from Siberia to Kansas, many blind and burnt beyond recognition. You’d have generations of what few babies were born alive, deformed some with two heads, stretching for the next few hundred years.
You’d have a nuclear winter lasting decades where crops couldn’t be sown, worldwide!! Those unlucky enough to survive many would be reduced to cannibalism. Cockroaches, disease and famine would be worldwide. And if mankind got through the first 50 years by surviving, there’s no guarantee he’d get through the next 100.
Oh yes and the overall effects during this time would probably be to reduce the human race from 6 billion, to 100s of millions before the population would start to recover. No one wins a Nuclear War, first strike, retalliation, whatever!!
Oh yes and when the sky eventually cleared, things would still never get back to complete normality, as the effects to the atmosphere would cause ultra violet light to cause widespread skin cancer.
Oh yes and for all you cowboys with your jocks, I’ve never heard so much unintelligent rubbish coming from your nation. Nuclear war is not the new frontier.
@RedRussian,
You rather be oppressed for ages or die straight away?
@Henry,
Why everyone hates America so much?
You Irish shouldn’t have any hatred towards America.
America didn’t offend Ireland.
Mao’s Cultural revolution is both advantageous and
disadvantageous to the Chinese people.
Advantage:Destroy some idiosyncratic old Chinese
Culture(really stupid old culture)
Disadvantage: Death and Chaos.
@Henry,
You have always been pointing at USA as scapegoat,
don’t you symphatise the Americans.
Oppresed???? hahaha what are they gona do? not let me vote? i cant do that already. not let me use free speach. i dont care enough to demonstarte thats why im here. Oppression is a topic which can be percived in dif ways. But what do you get from oppresion? Protectiong. when liberties are revoced protection is what occures.
@RedRussian,
At times, I really have problem trying to understand what you
try to say because of your spelling errors.You’re staying in the USA ,a English speaking country.Why is your grammar so inaccurate and confusing?
Chinese Clan…you are correct when you say America has not offended Ireland,it could even be said that America has been benevolent towards Ireland.I will not argue on that.Anyhow thats down to the large Irish lobby in America.Around 40 million americans have some Irish roots.However even though I am an Irish citizen I despise the country.It is one of the most corrupt backward and ignorant nations on earth,it lives like a leech on the EU sucking money from it.It is all anti EU when it has money and “pro” EU when it has squandered its money.So I am no nationalist waving a flag and claiming the piece of rock and soil that I was born on makes me better than others!!.And is that not the problem with America,Really who are the Americans?.Many of them are decended from europes unwanted.Now they think that there is something in the soil air and water of another continent that has made them “special”.They certainly were not considered special when they were kicked out of here LOL ok I know there are some decent americans there same as there are some decent Irish,but both countries are democracies so we have to judge by the majority I guess.
It doesnt matter where a country came form or who is in it. As long as its is strong, decisive and commited it will be on top. Americas leadership is so far and thats why it is the best. And comparing countries on Democracy is total bull
the bits you refer to were intended as humour.Guess you did not get it then.Oh well!!
RedRussian Quote:
“It doesnt matter where a country came form or who is in it. As long as its is strong, decisive and commited it will be on top. Americas leadership is so far and thats why it is the best. And comparing countries on Democracy is total bull”
1.Any country that is strong and decisive will come out
on top? Yes.
2.American leadership is so far the best?
No! Britain can handle the world better.
3.Comparing countries on democratic terms is total bull?
Yes.Different democracies have different ideologies
too.Doesn’t mean anyone must always agree with
his or her sibling(s) all the time.
Briton? hahahah sorry buddy. check britons volonteer military size and trsut me they are not willign to do it.
This is bcoz Brits nowadays have lost their ancestors’
‘Empire Fervour’ .They are no longer out to kill and loot
people like during the British Empire era.That’s why less
Brits nowadays sign up for voluntary military service.
Since UK has a smaller population compare to USA,its
normal for UK to have a smaller voluntary military servicemen than USA.Don’t you understand what is
proportion?
I’m more fond of the current UK than the old British
Empire.The new Britain is more honourable than the old
British Empire although the British Empire might be more powerful than the current UK
proportions is understandable but how physicaly could briton do teh job of teh united states in the world?? they lack the numbers and political will. Also america wont step down unless its forced to do so
@RedRussian
US will stay at the top in many years to come. I agree on that. But from your statement it seems US is at the top due to their military might. Which not something I agree with. US is at the top cause they have the best. Best in almost everything. Not necessarily they are American but they are part of US. Still US dominates the world in technology. Their economy is the largest in the world (EU is a union not a country and when US is compared to EU that is pretty sad for the European really as a group of countries are competing with a single one). They still produce the largest amount of research publication and also the best quality. China is slowly catching up in the numbers but US will still keep on publishing the best articles for many years to come. They spend as much in defense as the rest of the world. They have free open society and democracy. Lot of people will argue about Russian technology, Chinese economy etc. are comparable to US. Which is very true. But when you see the country as a whole they cannot really be compared. Cause you cannot make a country with European society, Russian military, Chinese economy, Israeli intelligence, German or Japanese technology (which will be something like an ideal country). US is not the ideal country but it is the closest thing you can get. Rest of the world is nowhere in the map as individuals. If you compare in almost anything US comes in top 10. Tell me the name of another country.
I agree with Aby there are lot of uneducated and stupid Americans out there. But I don’t like to stereotype the whole US as stupid and uneducated. Yes those stupid people are the burden of the country so if someone is going down then it is them and not the country. They will eventually lose jobs to outsourcing and have to move to 3rd worlds as they cannot afford or deserve an American lifestyle. It is not something that you get by birth. It is something you have to earn by your hard work. And due to this principle US is still at the top and will remain so in many years to come. If you are the best you will get the best irrespective of your color, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex etc. This is why free and open society is so important for the development of a country.
Let me give you an example. I moved to Australia for my higher education and I am paying three times more than what an Australian pays. I finished my course with a high distinction (80% +) and I hardly have a social life. All I do is study study study cause I want to be one of the best in my field. But when I graduated I came to know about this rule that I cannot apply for an internship in a hospital until all the Australians are finished with application and has a position. I can understand that and respect the rule as they are trying to push their own country men. A lot of them don’t even know half of the stuff they are supposed to know and if I am sick I will never want to be treated by them and they will easily get a good position and I will be thrown to some small rural town where I will hardly get any hands on experience. So what is my plan? Finish my internship and move to US. Yes lot of Americans will hate me as I will take up their job but the fact is I will not take their job. Me and them will compete for jobs and whoever wins will get the job. That is the way it should be and that is how it works in US. This is the reason US is still at the top of everything and will be there for a long time. Even if they the country fails it will be a shame for us and not something to enjoy as we want the whole world to be like this. I will be happy to lose my job any day to a Somalian guy who can prove that he is better than me. “I am a citizen so I will take the job and he can go to hell” - this is the biggest bullshit argument I have ever heard. Why are you in US and not in Russia? I believe your story is not very different than mine and I know heaps and heaps of people whose stories are quite similar and they are very successful in US. I know a woman whose family didn’t have enough money to afford food but somehow managed to get education and moved to US and since then there was no looking back for her. She worked in NASA as an astrophysicist and is the first lady of the world who visited Harvard University as a scientist. And about the Americans mentioned by Aby in the article; they are already falling behind and that is their problem. If the government makes quota etc. to save them like the Australian government then they will survive but the country will go down. So it is really a choice for the Americans and it will be very interesting to see which way they choose to go. Obama is talking a lot about change although we are still waiting to witness any significant change. But from his words it seems like he wants to save the people mentioned by Aby at the cost of the country. But as a democracy others (e.g. Bill Gates) will argue on the issue. it will be very interesting to see which way it goes. But it is not a win win situation so someone has to go down. It is a choice for the Americans. Whether they want to remain as the best or they just want to be another ordinary country like Australia.
I’ve read every post on here and i’m laughing at the knowledge of almost everyone .
Americans are usually the most ignorant when it comes to who can win at anything . Followed close by the British .
Here’s the real deal ladies and gentleman ………
Nuclear showdown …..no one wins this one kiddies , no matter how many people you have the amount of power being exploded would quite simply destroy the entire world as we know it ….end of discussion .
Colonialism vs realism …..The British stretched themselves to thin to control any country by the 20th century . Most countries were being well ran by themselves and had no use for England .
Who won what ???
Sorry people here are the facts …..
America vs the world
Vietnam ….loss
Korea…..tie
Canada ….loss (yup look it up )
Iraq…..still losing
Germany …..75% of all battles
Japan …..50 % of all battles
America in ww1 and 2 …….
In both cases you entered both wars near the end of the wars , while most countries had been fighting and dying for years . Pretty easy to brag about coming out on top after that . hehe
Britain as a super power ????
Surely you joke , you’re still trying to run Ireland into the ground and can’t win there either .
Russia
Your citizens are living for the most part in absolute poverty and crime is running rampant , you only try to bully weak countries (Georgia / Chechnia) with an army that’s poorly equiped and underpaid . As soon as you figured out that democracy pays big money , you reverted to a communist type rule to control the oil / gas revenues so that the “few” in power can succeed .
India ………forget it , you cannot compete with anyone militarily , look to feeding the 1 billion plus poverty stricken people living in your country first , then tell the world how fair and good you are .
I could go on and on about every country represented here , we all are guilty of ignorance and swelled heads when talking about our own country , i am no different as i believe Canada is the greatest country of all , that doesn’t mean that i would like to go to war or dehumanize another country just because we can , it’s because i just love my country .
Imagine what would happen if the Security council , Nato , Eastern bloc , G8 , G20 , OPEC , Asia and as unbelievable as it sounds …the UN …..got together and took on the world’s most dangerous enemies …ie ..Aids , poverty , cancer , and any other problem …..one problem at a time ……..
Now that’s what i would call usefull , don’t you all think that this would be something .
Rant a rave now people ……
^^
Mr. Roy
Your perfect America is killing millions of innocents. The way you are discounting ill sides of USA and counting on high standard of living and top quality education and publishing and economy. What difference does it make to normal citizen in Africa? it doesnt. It seems you are relishing your selfish person dream. So relax and go to USA and enjoy there.
America have no culture, you said US have Europe style society? so you mean your society i.e Indian culture is inferior? Is that what you are saying?
You arent matured enough to understand that it is not culture but money speaks. If Indians have money like Europeans do then you would be saying other way around.
I am like yourself, masters student in UK. But I have extremely high regards for our socity in India.
I have nothing personal against you, but you want to believe that USA is best is because you dream to go there. Not everyone would agree with you.
I can show you a huge list of things which is nothing but negative of that damn nation. I suppose you must read more than just academia.
yes and the americans stole the design from the germans, get your facts straight
US is the biggest Villian of modern times.Created taliban to destroy USSR and now taliban are a threat to whole world.Just for the own mean profits they have killed millions of people, destroyed many nations.And no matter how technically superior they claim to be , fact is they always lost in land wars.I don’t remember any one war in which they were actually able to take control of the country they attacked.Because of US mean policies they have shakedn whole global balance.Created a hell out of pakistan .Now pakistan is nothing but a place where inhuman animals live who are there to butcher every existing human.Who created this ,USA only.USA has no respect human beings , they think that only americans have right to live and enjoy and rest of the world is full of ugly creatures who should be tortured and killed whenver they feel like.
Always having double standards for India and Pakistan.Pakisatan was always a rouge state but now America have made it more dangerous for the whole world (including America ) by repeatedly giving it millitary aid.
What can we say america , whole country was bulit on by seeling weapons since second world war to other countries.USA is built on the blood on many people and many countries , what morals they will have.
USA is top dog and other than a few allies that are oh so glad that we are, the rest of the world hates us for it. They can’t stand us because we make them feel inferior. There’s a good reason for that… you ARE inferior!!! BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! You want to take us down??? Shut up and get in line.
I hope all nuclear powers engage each other in nuclear frenzy and see themselves wiped out for their insanity.
Benefits of Absolute Annihilation Nuclear Apocalypse:
1.End of mankind’s suffering and enmity on Earth.
2.The spirit realm harvests more souls.
These people would welcome nuclear holocaust:
1.the deprived.
2.the suicidal .
3.the hopeless.
4.the helpless.
5.the oppressed.
6.the depressed.
7.the hardcore poor.
8.the diseased.
9.the maimed.
10.the tormented.
11.the unwanted.
12.the homeless.
13.the restless.
14.the starving.
15.the disillusioned.
16.the stressful.
17.the lonely.
18.the exploited.
These are the people who fear Nuclear Holocaust:
1.the filthy rich.
2.the sinful.
3.the oppressors.
4.the corrupted.
5.the murderous.
6.high living standard people,esp. from
comfortable places like Canada,Australia,New Zealand,
Finland,Denmark,Norway & Sweden.They are good
people but lose a nice life after Nuke D-Day.
@ Mannu
Although the topic is nuclear warhead stockpiles but your comments show strong disliking for Pakistan.
I wonder why? Why you still have problems accepting Pakistan?
Doesn’t India have inhuman animals live who are there to butcher either i also read people being murdered/killed daily in India.
The truth is India is terrified from Pakistan and hate Pakistan and American friendship.
David
What problem you have with the Indians?? People are killed all over
the world and not only in India. Don’t you know that people praying
in Mosques are killed like animals by terrorists in Pakistan?? We also
read from newspapers that it’s because of the problem between Shia
and Sunni muslims.. Pakistan is terrified with it’s own problems with
Talibans and American bombings. It’s a shame that the so called
nuclear power (Pakistan) allows Americans to bomb its territory.
Vinod
I have absolutely no problems with Indians but it very much appears that some Indians have problems with American and Pakistani friendship and often use below the belt language and their real feelings towards Pakistan and America.
Please admit India is feeling isolated and she is despartely trying to establish friendship with the America.
We have a say ” people who live in glass houses do not through stones at others”.
Please remember India has its own huge problems with poverty, unemployment, lack of education, health issues and freedom campaigns in many states etc.
Chinese Clan
Thanks for your comments about Great Britain. We are truely a Great nation and the only one with title Great on the plant.
David
India is not isolated and has strong relationship with Russia, Israel,
France, Britain and many other countries in this world, apart from
Americans. Just reduce your tilt towards Pakistan and I can understand
that you are a Pakistani living in Britain. It would be better if Pakistan is
not isolated due to its terrorists activities and hope it will find ways to
destroy the terrorists quickly as possible.
Vinod
Its good to hear that India has friends in world, apart from Americans but the truth is Indians are extremely keen to be close friends with Americans.
But your comments state that you have problems with America and the Pakistan friendship and furthermore your views on minorities communities in India are evident tha your either BJP member or a supporter.
Regards to me you might be surprised to find that my ancestors are anglo indians from southern India.
Please remember India has massive issues of its own like poverty, illiteracy, treatment of its minorites citizens and heath issues, please concentrate and elevate them or make mark improvements …………….
David..the great in great Britain refers to the island not the people lol.It is to distinguish it from Brittany (little Britain) in northern France,where the original britons fled after the Anglo Saxon invasion in the fifth century.I suppose using the same logic China could call itself great China as opposed to little China (Taiwan).
well as an indian….i respect the people from the soviet union and the american citizens…russia has proved to be a very good ally for us….russia has helped us a lot technologically…..i am a mechanical engineer…and we have russian thermal power plants set up here in india….russian equipments are bulky but technologically advanced not outdated….never under rate russia because it’s a silent tiger unlike the US government who just try to interfere in the political system of other weaker countries…….we have no hatred among the human races…..it’s just the US government earlier in the reign of george bush who just created a lot of trouble for the people in the middle east due to oil….as US consumes half of the world oil barrels all alone…with a very outstanding person to vehicle ratio…….well US is a rich country…people from the 3rd world nations go there in search of good jobs in order to get wealthier….it has a huge military budget and is comparable to the summation of the countries all over the world so i guess rather spending so much on buying military equipments…it should help the poorer nations to fight against poverty and other economic and social problems……US would be blessed for it….why to have feelings of hatred among the races???politics isn’t in the hand of the nation’s people….it’s just in the hand of the few political and influential people so why to blame the nations……it’s just the government that creates disturbances….about russia i have no doubt over the capabilities that russians possess…they are masters in the field of aerospace technology and have the most talented and experienced scientists in the field of nuclear technology……..
LONG LIVE CITIZENS ACROSS THE GLOBE WITH PEACE AND HARMONY
The United States has become powerful through other nations. It still depends on other nations, and the day they cut the United States off, the United States will not know where to go.
It has done what it had to do. Not saying I enjoy this country, but it is what it is. As soon as someone challenges that, things will change.
This is a message to all “non-americans” Please excuse the people who are saying we control the world and just many other things that are so “Redneck based”. It’s embarrassing to read some of these comments. But I do not appreciate all of the “american haters”. You think you know every American and you know everything about our nation. You only know what it means to be an American once you have lived here for several years. Granted, this country is not for everyone so i have no problem that some people want to leave. fine by me. every single developed nation needs to work together so we won’t have to refer to us as “americans, germans, british, etc” and be able to call ourselves humans. putting down each other won’t solve anything.
one final thought..America is not the richest country on earth, they borrow every penny they have. You can’t, or shouldn’t, brag about being in massive debt.the most powerful? lol, nuclear weapons destroy everything…
you have to remember this. Humans name land they occupy. There are no 2 or 3 world countries, because that means the humans there are 2 and 3 world. But how is this so? That is the real tragedy of this whole conversation. We are all Humans, period. NO one is born better or worse than the other…and once again, only those pitiful humans who have nothing at all spiritually believe otherwise…Life treats all Humans the same, because you are alive..Death also treats all humans the same, in that it takes us all the same….That is what makes us ALL THE SAME, and there are no other absolutes on earth, no other variables which could prove this statement untrue..as life and death…
actually i want to put up a question….is the enmity b/w two south Asian nuclear power (one democracy vs one dictatorship) leading us to a full fledged world war?
An argument on who would win a nuclear war are pointless. As a decent Democrat once said “even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouth.” Yes maybe the US could win if they launched a preemptive attack to wipe our a majority of Russia’s missiles and sunk their subs, but there would be maybe 10% that remain and when fired I wouldn’t be m life on the anti missile defense shield. Nuclear war results in losers on both sides.
AXL, I believe that the rivalry between India and Pakistan is a power-game for the greater nations of the world. According to Globalfirepower.net, (although not accurate) India is the fourth strongest nation of the world. The reason why India never crushed Pakistan is due to the political pressure. Indian Muslims have a major faction supporting Pakistan, and the pressure from USA and China prevented India. While I am a major supporter of USA, I also thank Russia dearly, for helping us on several occasions, most notably during 1971 War of liberation of Bengladesh. People like only the best should remember, that USA and India are close allies now, so if Mr. President Obama comes to know of your words, Only the best (better, shout these words infront of White House), you’ll be beaten up by American Police. Remember, Indians like Rachana Bhoumik are among Top Leaders of USA.
As for Pakistan and China, I can say honestly, that Pakistan is not a threat to India. The only reason USA once supported Pakistan, is the fact that Pakistan was meant to counter the influence of India, and to be used as a local base to prevent Soviet Invasion of Afganistan. People like only the best have polluted the name of USA. China is really powerful, and is supposedly the 2nd most powerful Country, right behind USA. But they lack Nuclear Stockpiles, when compared to Russia and USA.
The reason why USA triumphed in several occasions, is the fact that Democracy triumphs over Communism, since Democracy is the rule of the people. But Iraq War was not supported by American masses, so it wasn’t a Democratic war. USA is the best in the current world, all should remember, that USA is respected not for the Hiroshima/Nagasakhi explosions, but for occasions like liberating the people from Nazi rule. So, whichever nation, how small it might be, fights for a noble cause, shall triumph.
My Nation India, supported Bangladesh at a time, when Bangladeshi Innocents were killed by Pakistani forces. India fought for a noble cause, to help Bangladesh, and so the forces of India won, pushing Pakistani forces back. 93000+ Pakistanis surrendered to India, and all of them were handed over unharmed to Pakistan in 1972 (Simla Agreement) along with Pakistani lands which India captured. So, it doesn’t matter, who is more powerful, but it matters, whose cause is more powerful.
Great Russia helped us, during 1971, when USA sent Seven fleet into Indian Ocean (Nixon feared a total Soviet invasion of Central Asia if India defeated Pakistan), but even USA Congress opposed it. The noble statesmen of USA knew, that India fought for a noble deed, and they only meant the liberation of Bangladesh, not for the invasion of Pakistan. Russia surrounded USA’s seven fleet with 20 ships, and eventually, USA withdrew the pressure.
After 1991, Russian Federation has become a role-model for Federal Democracies of the world.
Friends, every country has roles to play in this world, and see, focus on the positive sides of nations. Here, I am listing a few positive sides of every nation, and what they’ve taught us:
USA: An ideal, of how and what a Nation should be. Freedom matters, not power. So, my salutations to the Statue of Liberty. USA helped developing nations by exclusively providing them economic and technological help from time to time.
Russia: Taught the world, that even from humble beginnings, one can emerge as a Superpower. Even in extreme cold of Siberia, they never gave up, for the cause of developing their country. An inspiration to the world that No one should be ignored, and once one tries, one can succed.
India: Fought for noble causes, including the liberation of Bangladesh, defending own territories from Pakistan (note that, during Kargil war, India didn’t cross the International Border, even USA supported that). Should be a role model for developed nations, that “With power, comes responsibility”, as it helps, even with its limited resources, the surrounding countries to develop.
Britain: A golden light of civilization, that brought poor nations to the light of the world. Developed the governmental framework in India, China (parts of), America and many others. An ideal, how one should be devoted to one’s country. We should learn patriotism from Britain.
France: Defended their land bravely from Britain, but unconditionally helped USA in its war of independence. Remember, what French Revolution taught us, “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!”. Is a symbol of the fact, that People should rule a nation, not Monarch.
Germany: Had shown us, that simply devotion to the Fatherland can help a Nation to be great. Divided, they still became united, and although defeated and destroyed in two world wars, they never gave up. Partitioned, ravaged, humiliated, they never said “no” to the development to their nation, I salute the German flag, the symbol of a Nation, who had shown us, that the power comes from Soul, not body.
China: Defeated, humiliated and ravaged by European nations, and brutally attacked by invaders, still it stands united, for the cause of communism (it might be wrong on many’s views, but for many, it is good). China never said “no”, when it came to help developing nations by providing loans. My respect to them, for teaching the world, that how dark a place might be, a single spark of light causes it to beam up.
It does not matter, who possesses more Nuclear weapons. My American, Indian, German, Russian, Chinese, friends, and others, let us wage a full scale war, not against any nation, but against hunger, poverty, disasters, terrosism, social-evils!
United we stand, divided we fall! Who am I? I am a Human! God created the Earth, and man partitioned it! Use Nuclear elements for generation of electricity not bombs.
There is no American, Indian or German, nor are there Greek, Iranian, Chinese. Above all, we all are humans. It is our sacred duty to Human Civilization, to protect the cause of our existence.
We are most powerful, we are the Human race. People, rise up from your slumber, and gaze upon the face of a new day, in the burning light of the dawn of a new era. We are the United Earth, we are the sons and daughters of God and Mother Nature, we are the Human race.
This much only. People like only the best, think twice before insulting other nations. People like my dear friend Peace (from USA) represent the true American Spirit.
Viva la USA,
Viva la France,
Viva la Britain,
Viva la India,
Viva la Germany,
Viva la China,
Viva la Russia,
Viva la all other nations!
Stop these none sense arguments. Nuclear war will not happen.
India should not be included in the Viva La peace list.
India has a history of bullying its smaller neighbours like Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan.
Ugh!
What a shameful nation, the US that is.
I wish that Russia, China and India will come together to take down the US soon, I am so sick of all the “US the best” typre of people, shut all their mouths up!
Nuclear warfare would only leads to Nuclear Annihilation, and I’m sure that victory over the ruins is the most useless outcome for a war. SO nuclear warfare is the least unlikely unless the US or one of the major powers are losing, then nukes will be their last card from their deck. Though I am very certain that Russia can produce more weapons than the US both in terms of quantity and quality, their war vehicles are one of the best. China also has the largest land army on Earth and still has a billion people that could be conscripted into the national army in times of need. Yes, the US has the tech and gadgets, but what use will they be if there is no one to use it.
And to all those who proclaimed that US is the most superior, I pity you, as you were genuinely brainwashed by your crazy government’s propaganda and fox news. Wake up Americans, the world is going all against you!
Glory to ASIA!
David, also remember that England sided with America during the Iraq war. Even the UN team declared that there was NO nuclear weapon in Iraq, but I was saddened to see that England gladly took part in massacring Iraqis. What has happened to Iraq? They are doomed, and so is Afghanistan.
England is great, but every Englishman isn’t great. Looks like you are a blind supporter of Pakistan, but don’t you know that the same terrorism, which ravaged your own nation (London Blasts) emerged from Pakistan?
Pakistan doomed Bangladesh, and the way they killed thousands of Hindus during the partition doesn’t make them 24-carat-gold.
As for friendship with USA why shouldn’t India do that? Does Pakistan have monopoly over being an ally of USA? Americans themselves are disgusted with Pakistanis, and Pakistanis recently attampted to bomb America, and warned her, read http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/19/us.pakistan.talks/index.html http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N08179683.htm .
With speculation of China becoming superpower around, Americans seemed to be getting increasingly impatient about Chinese statistic. When 15% of your country’s GDP consists of Treasury bill, impatient and anger outburst are bound to appear. When the so called “the greatest country” touches 10 million plus unemployment, it is obvious to get envious about India’s and China’s development. When the nation incurs economic losses higher than that of combined gulf war & WWII, in just one year, citizens are justified to curse the taxation policy.
But US still has a reason to retain that smile of pride. When 60% of the world’s multinational companies are headquartered in US, Americans can spend generations counting royalty and license money. When the biggest rival China is still stuck at 35% of US’s GDP, Americans can afford to have the feeling of superpower for at least another 20 years. When the world’s best educational institutions are located in US, Americans are eligible to make tall claims. When the world still trades on US dollar, Americans can afford to swipe the card on negative balance.
You guys are arguing a topic that will not end being a conflict. My suggestion, just stop wasting your time.
I’d be inclined to give blessing with you on this. Which is not something I usually do! I really like reading a post that will make people think. Also, thanks for allowing me to comment!
Paul,
It is people like you that create hate and resentment. For one I am not patriotic, I am simply neautral… But would like to say that there would be a very negative outcome if the U.S. just suddenly disappeared. You say “take down the US”, does that include every single citizen from within aswell? Considering the U.S. is made purely of immigrants, most from europe but the rest from parts all over the world. Take the Sept. 11th attacks for instance, countries all over the world were mourning for it because of their loved ones who had been out of country and working in the WTC. What you said is basically saying “The U.S. must die” which is an incredibly ignorant way of thinking. If the world was composed of people with your type of mental attitude, Human kind would have wiped itself out already.
Stop Anti-Americanism
Stop Anti-Any-Other-Nationality
I believed China is never going to fight the American, China only wants to defend its land, sovereignty, dignity and to prevent the American have bad motives to seek domination of the World. Simple as that!
Russia – our holy nation,
Russia – our beloved country.
A mighty will, great glory –
These are yours for all time!
Be glorious, our free Fatherland,
Age-old union of fraternal peoples,
Popular wisdom given by our forebears!
Be glorious, our country! We are proud of you!
From the southern seas to the polar lands
Spread our forests and fields.
You are unique in the world, one of a kind –
Native land protected by God!
Wide spaces for dreams and for living
Are opened for us by the coming years
Our loyalty to our Fatherland gives us strength.
Thus it was, thus it is and always will be!
Россия – священная наша держава,
Россия – любимая наша страна.
Могучая воля, великая слава –
Твоё достоянье на все времена!
Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Братских народов союз вековой,
Предками данная мудрость народная!
Славься, страна! Мы гордимся тобой!
От южных морей до полярного края
Раскинулись наши леса и поля.
Одна ты на свете! Одна ты такая –
Хранимая Богом родная земля!
Широкий простор для мечты и для жизни
Грядущие нам открывают года.
Нам силу даёт наша верность Отчизне.
Так было, так есть и так будет всегда!
LONG (WILL) LIVE THE MOTHERLAND ALL WHO INHABIT IT!!!
To respond one ignorant cowboy
Don’t talk like a bloody idiot or follow by your heart of patrotism. This is how stupidity it was! China economy nor their goods or products have to relying to American??? Are you SERIOUS? If it is true, it was long time ago because the economy China today is depending to Asian continent included the Middle East. Middle East is their most contributing region for China booming economy. Believe it or not, search for yourself. China even can stand on their own feet to feed their people. They can supplying themselves and satisfying themselves. Chinese people are better off nowadays and they have looking for luxuries goods and demanding for more. Don’t forget the American whole economy and foods were China supplying. Remember who supporting the American bond and your currency? It’s your BIG BOSS, CHINA. BUDDY! You should respect China more than your country America. If not China helping you people of America, your economy will definitely slump into deep valley or gone with your USD. Just to remind you, I don’t think you American could possibly pay back the huge sum of money you owed from the whole world. Better shut the hell off! Don’t you find yourself disgrace???!!!
The truth is most American don’t even have clue about rest of the world and like their former President George Bush the furthers they have been is on a day trip to Mexico but they have big bully attitude like to threaten, harass, intimidate and often beat the shit out of smaller countries then ask questions later, sorry unless it’s Vietnam.
If anyone disagrees with me then count how many countries America has bombed or invaded since the Second World War?
America has two laws one for her and one for the rest of the world and the typical example I could think of is the South China Sea aircraft incident and the American President apologised and rightly so!!!
America is blatantly violating international laws by stationing large naval ships just eight miles away from many country mainlands’ and calling it international waters and constantly spying on other countries. If China or another country large ship is station eight miles from New York, I am sure Americans will be cool about it. Will they hell!
America is completely ignorant how much hatred rest of the world has towards it and thanks your former President George Bush oh well he blamed it on God!!
Every person has hatred towards America in Middle East, Africa, Asian (apart from Israel), South and Central America and most of Europe.
Don’t demonize China if whoever they feels they do not like China or being bias to China, especially to those extreme Indians. Jealousy and anxiety has blinded your eyes. You have being used as a tool against China. If you are wise enough, you should not have been so easily brain wash by some countries with bad intentions.
It would be better not to make foolish comments on Indians here since
the topic is totally different. Indians are not jealous and anxiety has not
blinded their eyes either. It will be good if China stops using Pakistan as
a tool against Indians.
You called it not jealous or anxiety? Then why you keep raises the issue of using Pakistan as a tool? Perhaps, you were not only worrying, but also panicking. No more arguments! It’s pointless! It’s not going to help too. I know this site is talking about different topic. Who told you we are talking different thing here? Smart aleck….
Strange!
If Indians raise the issue of China using Pakistan against them then it’s
not because of panic, worry etc.., but it’s out of concern. Since
terrorism is an international issue it has to be addressed inorder to
eliminate the stupid terrorists and that is what the civilized society is
doing today. Nobody is here to argue but to express our views only.
First let Americans try to win Afghan/Iraq wars (which they can’t) before
thinking of attacking any other country. It would be better if they quit
at the earliest and avoid further killing of innocents.
Yoyo..
Do u really think China is self sufficient nation? Chinese economy heavily relies on export..FYI..China has surpassed Germany as the world biggest exporter. And of course, US is the largest consumer..As Chinese do not only the easy way, i can help you:
1. Seller needs consumer and vice-versa
2. Seller does not like consumer, hard to find new consumer
3. Consumer does not like seller, can shift any new seller…
So yoyo US has the privilege to choose, not China..And regarding to your ignorance about treasury bills..Well..let me tell u in simple way..US is eating your hard earned money which they are not going to return…so now decide yourself who’s the real boss? China is looser either way or all the way…
@sherap
In respond to your statement saying the US has the privilege to choose? I don’t think so. Well, buddy. Keep your eyes open! I think China has the privilege to choose too. For an example, Google has to stay back if they are not going to obey the regulations set by the Chinese government. Unless, they filter their websites. Google is not only one of the big enterprise being blockage by the Chinese government. Many US investors’ are begging China to open its gigantic markets to them in order to earn as much as they could. Now, even the Google has compromised to the Chinese government to allow them to join the big family. Imagine, one person drinks a can of pepsi a day. There are more than 13 billion people living in China, excluded the foreigners. How much money can they earn per day.
“US is eating your hard earned money which they are not going to return…so now decide yourself who’s the real boss? China is looser either way or all the way…”
Your said not only idiotics and naive, but also far-fetched. This is not going to happen under that circumstance because they have mutual understanding and protocol to prevent neither losses. This is totally impossible for the US not to return their debts to China. Who knows? The US must be trying some other ways to repay its debts to China.
@Sherap Therchin
I did not noticed this guy is so extreme and a true pessimist. Do you think your country is better than other? Show me your evidence to prove your said. China invade Tibet, Hongkong, and Inner Mongolia. You are pure joker! These territories belongs to China. No question about that! China lead the world to hell? I strongly demand you rephrase your statement. You are talking like a barbarian. And, I am very surprise should or should not we all discussing about the US vs Russia vs China Nuclear stockpiles? Why some Indian brought in their country as a comment topic. Strange!
Some Americans always boasting how strong their weapons are, is truly delusions. Those US fools always underestimated other countries taken other countries inventions were craps, tank for instance. I can’t see their weapons are inferior to other countries, if they compare to those obsolete scraps they blew into pieces during Iraq war. Abraham M1A1 tank looks stiff and awkward. It is a piece of shit and I won’t even want to compare. Later, comes with the Abraham M1A2 more or less are the same. The American idiots dare to compare with Germans Leopard. Come on! Look at the mirror first.
@jar
Nuke war? You will suffer too. You thought Chinese are fool?
@sansky
The anti-ballistic missiles shield won’t help you from being attack as suggested by the US. Do you think China hasn’t have this kind of strategy warfare? China has invented this kind of strategic warfare and successful tested with their ballistic missiles interception capabilities. Telling you all these because I feel I should let you know the true strength of China. Wait! This doesn’t mean China is stronger than the US or Russia. But truth should have been told. One said there were 10% Indian scientists working in the US. So? Don’t forget there were many outstanding Chinese scientists working for the US too.
India is quite similar to China, always oppress to their people. Their so-called democracy, I see no huge difference or as liberal as the westerners’. Unfortunately, they have misunderstood the meaning of freedom. Besides, their living standard is miserable. First, not enough food to feed (slightly better compare to North Korea in the villages), no proper education, no proper transportation, uncontrolled populations, low employment rate, and no equality to sex. Women treated badly.
The problem faced by India is due to the greedy politicians who really
don’t care for the people. It’s a shame that even today we have lots
of people living below poverty line whereas our politicians have deposited
huge money, which they have looted, in swiss banks. People here do many
stupid things in the name of Democracy and majority of women in villages
are treated very badly. Girls, mainly children, are the most affected due
to some barbarians. These barbarians rape children and escape easily
from loopholes in our laws. Caste system is also not abolished fully and
politicians use this issue to win elections. What we need is a controlled
democracy, like in Singapore, and harsh punishment, like in China..
It will be laughable if we talk about superpower status unless the status
of people is improved. Today’s India is only for software/corporates and not
for farmers whose land is grabed by multinationals (mainly from U.S) for their business interests. What we need is a strong leader like Netaji, who can kick
out the western powers who dictate terms on India.
@bossumk
No worries. As a Chinese, I cannot be in favor of Chinese because their nature is born to be hatred. Now, I do understand why Chinese have slowly becomes hated by the people all around the world. Indians have weaknesses so as we Chinese. We, Chinese even have more weaknesses such as conflicts, corruptions, betray and more internal problems than Indians. The nature of majority Chinese are ugly. As we Chinese always said, “see high-worship, see low-trample.”
I agree completely with Yoyo and Bossumk. And yes it is funny how people talk about India becoming a super power. At lest not in my life time. Thank GOD!
I missed an important point, although I do not like the Japanese. Of course, I personally do not have any animosities against the Japanese. But truth should have been told. The Japanese weaponry were not the WWI technology. Who told/makes you feel they were using the old WWI technology to fight the Americans in the pacific and Asia during WWII? It is so ignorant, unfair and naive to vilify the Japanese.
face the reality,if the nuke war happen no one is going to survive because it will destroy the earth.if survive fortunately i don’t want to imaging the life after it.
so stop hating or criticize people around the world and “being human”.
@Yoyo actually there are lots of Japanese military weaponry during the second world that are considered to be deadly. but if you will based it on their whole weaponry system during the world war, the majority of it is based on world war one technologies. some of it are considered top of the line though
America(soddom and gommorah) is a bullshit country and the world is tired of its imperialist policy.
It was the one and only country to use nuclear weapons on human race and remember what’s going on in iraq and afganistan, Mass killings by US soldiers. America will fall one day. If russia doesn’t then china will do that, If china doesn’t iran and north korea will do that. whole world will rise aganist you and at that time you are not a super power you are a SUPER PUPPET. Days are coming and the whole world will say
DEATH TO AMERICA!!!!!!
warever be it the russians will kick the butt of the U.S. whenever they want,their strength in numbere in both personnels,tanks and as wellas apcs are btoo gr8.
We need the US people. The reasons are; we love their Hollywood movies, their fast food restaurants, their branded productions, and etc. The only thing we hate is their governing administration. Still, the US people are our friends as well as there are many friendly and intelligent people among them.
Don’t forget we love their musics and entertainment too. We can’t deny that!
Some typical Indians still, repeated many times, seems unwilling to believe not only Russia, but China too can prevent the US from dominance to the world. It is not difficult to understand because they do not like to see their bitter rivalry China becomes better place than India, whereas China great achievement apparently had separate them to a different level.
India does not consider China as its bitter rival and infact it’s the close friendship
of China with Pakistan which bothers Indians the most. Though India has no right
to comment on others association people are worried that terrorism, which is encouraged
in Pakistan’s terririty, may gain strength due to this fiendship and it’s a big headache
not only for Indians but also the Chinese. Recently the Chinese government has openly
accused Pakistan of encouraging terrorism and supporting militant groups operating in
China, who demand freedom for certain terrorities inside China. Other than that there
are only some border disputes between China/India which is common everywhere.
I am very happy because they are just certain/small portion of Indian fellows have negative thinking on China. Bossumk is unlike them because I can hear he commented mostly based on facts and truths. Yes. I do agree India and China is not bitter rival, they are just healthy competitors only. However, I feel they should enhance their relationships by multifaceted cooperation. This is the best way to strengthen their bilateral ties between them. I see there is no reason why they can’t form an alliance or at least they should have achieved mutual understanding or agreement in terms of militarily and economically. Pakistan is not a difficult issue to be solved as long as genuineness to fulfill their needs and wants under a peaceful, tolerate, and harmony conditions.
Agree with Yoyo…. India has to learn a lot from China on law and order and
handling corruption issues. I learnt that China has punished some officials when
there was problem with the bullet train but if you take the case in India
there won’t be any action taken against anyone even if thousands are killed
in rail/bus/air accidents. Only due to strict governance China is marching rapidly
in all fields.
Russia is past!
US is present!
China will be future!
India does not appear on my list!
and good luck CHINA……..
Dear Abytheliberal
I am somewhat confused with your site is very controlling when it comes to approving comments. I don’t like it and seriously thinking about calling a day as if i can not express my self then i am wasting me time………..
Russians should feel gratitude to China, it is China was helping the Russians economy to recover again. China bought many weaponry from Russia, that money earned enabling them to develop and feed their people. What does Russia have for the natural resources? In fact, Russia just have the natural gas, coal and crude oil. Other rich natural resources mainly relies or comes from Siberia. Although, Russia is the largest country in the world; it covers a vast amount of topographically varied territory (covering with snows all the time), including much that is inaccessible by conventional modes of transportation. The traditional centers of economic activity are almost exclusively located in the more hospitable European part of Russia, which once offered considerable coal and natural gas to drive heavy industry. Without question, Russia possesses rich reserves of iron ore, manganese, chromium, nickel, platinum, titanium, copper, tin, lead, tungsten, diamonds, phosphates, and gold, and the forests of Siberia contain an estimated one-fifth of the world’s timber, mainly conifers. Natural resources reserves can be depleted one day. Hence, if not contribution from Siberia, Russians might have suffer cold waves weather and starve to death. Needless to say, Russians are weak and lousy in managing economy fluctuations. They can be surviving is due to their natural resources reserves, and, certainly their weaponry exports too.
The truth is not only Russia; but China also has the capabilities to counterbalance the US domination to the world. I bet only Indian friends seem unwilling to accept the reality and, obviously, they were jealous even though they might already know China military power achievement.
Some stupid Indians especially residing in other country are pure pathetic lame. They are either been brainwashed or mentally dysfunction. I have read their comments were madness just because they do not like us, Chinese being miles ahead of them. They are just kind of people living in full of jealousy, mentally-imbalance, and fundamentalist lunatic. What can I say? Simply no cure at all!
Some Chinese fools especially living in other country post comments like brainless chickens. Better to comment in a matured way than saying that Iam powerful than anyone in this world or we are undefeated kind of stuff. No chance of curing them even by admitting in Chinese mental hospitals. I would advise them to try some good Indian hospitals which are world class.
Chinese are not comfortable with Indo/Vietnam joint oil exploration in international waters. Though all international laws are followed in this issue, the Chinese are restless and issue warning after warning to India and the same has been transfered to dustbins. Vietnam fully supports India in this regard. Even Japan/Phillipines have condemned Chinese warnings and we can see that China does not have friendly relations with many neighbours except Pakistani,which create religious hatred inside China. Like America, China is encouraging terrorists in Pakistan/Nepal/Yangoon against India. They now want to be friendly with Sri Lanka, which is far away from them,for creating trouble to India. Let them create a friendly environment with their neighbours and then dream of being a superpower. Without your neighbours you can’t remain as superpower for a long time.
What? Indian Hospital world class? Explain to me why Indians local have to suffer illness and faced many deaths in India because there were no proper/not enough hospital facilities and qualified doctors? You must be mentally retarded. If like you said, India is so freaking good. Why so many Indians have to save their hard earned money to travel abroad to oversea just to look for better college or Universities?
Indians are nobody friends too. We, Chinese have no many friends, at least we are well behaved, unlike you Indians encouraging and creates hatred among religions and ethnics. Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Kashmir are the good examples. Now you are doing the same thing against China by using Tibet as a tool, like the stupid dirty Dalai Lama had fallen in a trap to creates chaos inside China. Not a million years, unfortunately you will never succeed. Go and line-up with those backstabbing stools like Vietnam and Philippines to become the US lackeys/lapdog to go against China. We will make you regret for that stupid move.
Do you know how many foreigners (even from U.S & Europe) come to India,mainly South India, for treatment? Because the treatment is almost world class but with cheap price. If you want I can give you the list of hospitals which give such best treatment and you can treat yourself for your mental illness too. If you don’t know the fact then you should keep quiet and not tell others to do so. The top surgens in many famous around the world will be Indians/Asians and things like these create jealousy in the minds of you Chinese and Australians. To cover up the jealousy you people create the issue of behaviour. My foot. Yes the poor people die due to want of proper treatment but these hospitals don’t treat poor for free and it happens every where. Since the population is more in India the list is big and we don’t know what is happening in China as you have censorship in media. So nobody knows. How stupid you are to call someone like Dalai Lama as stupid. You don’t have any right to abuse a third person here. So develop some good culture and people may think that all Chinese are people without culture like you. Don’t teach us about behaviour and you behave properly first cultureless fellow. It was you Chinese who backstabbed Indians in 1962. China will face problemss in the future because of encouraging terrorists, like what the U.S did in the past. Your superpower status will crumble due to your present foolish actions.
How can you use words such as stupid indians etc.? You post good messages sometimes and on many occasions you show your true face (hatred on Indians). Dalai Lama is respected by thousands across the world and if you don’t like him then don’t use words such as stupid to describe him. People who respect him may get hurt. What ever may be his actions but people respect him except some Chinese like you. It’s politics. Develop good culture so that people will respect you.
Dalai Lama is respected by thousands across the world? Oh! Come on! The way we exposes the truths may sometimes hurts people. But we are what we are. We are not hypocrites; we do not pretend to be fake or cultural. Without doubt, I bet only Indians are respecting him because you want to achieve something bad from him to segregate from China. Perhaps, you have confused by the word pity to respect. You don’t have to pity him because he deserved it. You might be carrying somewhat misunderstood towards him. The true face he was (as you said just now) a politic evil mindset control monster. Enlighten me, a true good monk will he be playing political games?
I found this is wasting my time and effort to contradict some comments made by some stubborn and naive Indians reluctantly to accept reality. This is making me as foolish and childish as them.
Before I conclude, I would clarify I am a Buddhist. How come I refused to accept Dalai Lama as one the Buddhism messenger? He is the only politic and religion manipulator.
Dalai Lama travels around the world and is respected in other countries too. He was not a topic of discussion and you needlessly brought him here and it’s not my fault. China too plays politics with Dalai Lamas and so the fault is on both ends. No matter where Lord Buddha was born but understand that though He travelled to many places, He was enlightened at Gaya, India and so change your attitude against India, which is a great land of spirituality, and Indians. He spent a major portion of His life only in our Great Country, which nobody could deny. Being a Buddhist how come you spread such hatread against India and don’t follow the policy of eye for an eye and that would take you to nowhere.
I have no hatred feelings towards Indians, I just despise on SOME Indians intelligent abilities.
Don’t think others are stupid and this is just a platform for discussion, don’t consider as a place to abuse others. Big brother attitudes will never work. Only stupids will under estimate their opponents and those who respect their opponents can taste success. It applies to both India & China. If you are a superpower then don’t think that only you remain there for ever. The once superpower U.S.S.R went off, America is in a bad state now and hence be level headed.
Excuse me? There is no need to complaint to the moderator. Some people are funny once they are not convinced to their information, they will try some other way to stop you from commenting.
Iam not complaining and it’s not my job. Reply to those people specifically and not in general like ’some stupid Indians’ kind of stuff. Can you take comments like ‘Some stupid Chinese’?
No problem. You can say it loud IF there is one. But what matter is there is none. Sorry about that. Don’t talks like a moron here? Did I say all? We need the answer only yes or no. I just stated SOME. Again, I only pointed out SOME. Why you admit? I didn’t say you were. You are so funny and busy to condemn without noticing what I was trying to mean. Strange!
Only COWARDS like you will address like ‘SOME’ and not specific on target . If a person is
patriotic like me then the response will be at the same level of your CLASS/CHARACTER etc.
for your stupid messages. I would say that it’s stupidity at its peak.
After seeing all your messages I can notice that you are a rarest of a rare case.
You message like a moron here. It is a pity that your love for your motherland has made
your brain to disfunction. Iam condemning only after reading your messages. It’s all immature
kind of stuff and bullshit.
Finally, these stupid people admit. Only loser and coward like you will try to fight back without reason. I found you all were already debacle and I noticed you creatures are frustrated. I understand, loser will never acknowledge. One idiot even rushed to admit. After read you creatures commented I couldn’t stop laughing and nearly cause my stomach burst.
Do you understand the meaning SOME? Grab a dictionary and start searching. You creatures can blast me if I say ALL Indian. I will keep quiet because I have made a huge mistake. Contrary I didn’t. I have many times clarified SOME, which means very little. You have no reason to talk shit here. I don’t give a damn whether you are typical Indian or patriotic Indian, or whatever you call it. Don’t simply vent your anger to someone’s anytime you want. There is no place for creatures like you. It will embarrass yourself if you still keep yelling like a bitch shouting on street.
Dear moderator,
I would like to ask you why many Chinese decent comments were not post? They didn’t post nasty comments, why our comments were not post up? And mine recent comments posted still under awaiting moderation. I couldn’t understand and found unfair.
Losers and cowards will runaway and wont try to fight back. You are not even
worth to be mentioned as a creature. Only cracks would laugh to an extent of
bursting their stomach and hence you are not normal. It’s heartening to note
that filthy messages are censored by the moderator and I thank for that. Last but not the least, did you go to school today?
You creature are clown. Really amusing, Thanks for the entertaining. How much for the ticket?…hahahaha…What? Did you go to school? Did you? Such an idiot question. I do go to school, but already graduated. Oopppsss…I doubt you didn’t because you were creature.
Only COWARDS like you will address like ‘SOME’ and not specific on target…
Coward is when you are confronted in battle, but you turn your back and run. Unfortunately you have misused the word COWARD. Sorry to say, this is not a war. When writing in comments or forums, I feel you should not directly attack a person. You shall react a little bit softer by using indirect or non-specific way to express your view. Those writing styles were unlike us, Chinese because we do not use those improper ways/profane attitudes to directly attack someone’s. Indirect verbal duel is more proper and appropriate during verbal contest.
There is nothing wrong in replying to a particular post instead of just hiding behind the
word ‘SOME’. You think yourself to be diplomatic but you are not..
Simply doesn’t understand what I was trying to say. Gosh! You better shut up and quit embarrass yourself. Diplomatic? I am just an ordinary human being. There is no such thing of diplomatic or whatsoever you are trying to meddle and confuse.
Still din’t understand properly what I conveyed? I was trying to say that you pretend to be diplomatic but unfortunately you are not!!! If you can’t understand properly then what can I do? You can’t even understand such simple things and you ridicule others… clown…!!!!!
Childish and funny you are. How old are you? Where is your rural forest birth place?
You are not childish and funny but a semi crack… Why you want to know my age? Are you a marriage broker??? Don’t you know that the area I was born is near to the mental hospital in which you were getting treatment??? How come you forgot it you fool??!!!!!!
You psycho stupid idiot. What is your name again? Redarmy? Such a stupid name. Only loser like you will have such freaky name to represent your sissy Indian army. Pathetic lame, coward and chicken shit precisely describe yourself and your Indian army. Apparently, you are frustrated and helpless. No wonder you threw out so many marking signs.
Semi-crack? What does it means? I believed many people also have never heard of those odd word you typed.
Stupid yoyo…. Listen, if you say that Redarmy as stupid name then you are a greatest fool the world has ever seen…. Don’t you know that the greatest Soviet Army was known as Redarmy??? Iam proud to have that name here… Semi-crack is very dangerous than a complete mad because you don’t know when these people will be normal and when they behave differently, like you…. Don’t beg in the streets of Malaysia but go to China and do some work like collecting garbages etc… What is your real name man?? Lame Duck? You foul mouthed disgusting creature???!!!!!
yoyo
Why did you use words like chicken shit?? Are you working in any poultry and cleaning the dirt?? Anyway all the best for you….
Yoyo, I really think you need a trip to India.
That would help you realize how ignorant your posts really are. Indian people are not forcing teens to work
A lot of people here talked like children. So what if you have more than 100 or 1000 nuclear warheads. When a nuclear war starts, hope that your city is not on anyone’s nuclear hit list.
I have already been to India. Not impress at all. Disappointed. I just don’t want to criticize India because people may think I deliberately bad-mouthing India. Have you been to India? How about China? Distinguish on yourself, I dare to say one is inferno and the other is paradise. Go travel there and I assured you will not want to return home after you have been to China. Yes. I said that.
Just in case my remarks is not publishing;
Do you think Chinese are afraid of the Russians? I doubt Russia does not dare to declare war with China. Both nations will definitely face annihilation if both go to war against other. There will be one ending, extermination to both countries. Use your brain. China afraid no one, dudes. Russia is on the upper hand because of it huge nuclear stockpiles, buddy. Even the US and Russia know that war with China is disastrous. If you are smart/wise enough, you will get the picture. If you do not understand the history, you better search for that, not misinterpret/twist the truths. Russia has nothing to do with the China-India border war. Don’t drag Russia on that incident. No point. Border disputes only occur between China and India. Recent conflict was on islands disputes. You need to be able to distinguish them well.
Nuclear weapons are no longer the most powerful weapons in the world. The laser beam is the new generation’s destructive weapons in the future. According to western popular military experts, China has developing these weapons and has succeeded. I have posted on this website; hopefully the moderator allows being publishing to enrich our right to know. Sadly, it has been taken off.
We, Chinese are not capable of boasting, exaggerating, bragging or fabricate anything that does not exist, unlike the Indians.
You boast a lot and since you are a Chinese (we hope) you represent them and hence
anybody can say that you people boast/exaggerate etc.. a lot…
This is regarding US vs Russia vs china and why you always bring Indians here?? Can’t you think something different rather than always abusing Indians???
Excuse me. Nobody is asking your answer/feedback. Don’t be wiseacre. You better respect yourself and others. Obviously, no ones can deny that the Indians were first abusing us, Chinese. I don’t want to name them out because this is inappropriate. Actually, I want to forget that. But the more I have read it, the anger I became. I found approximately more than 70% of Indians love to insult Chinese. They tend to demonized China even though this page is discussing to the topic of USA vs. Russia vs. China nuclear warhead stockpiles. I was wondering, did we, Chinese offended the Indians, or the Indians deliberately looking for trouble at us, Chinese? What are the Indians motives? What are the Indians want to achieve?
Nobody answered/ gave feedback to you… Ofcourse you are not wise… Nobody had
asked you who abused first or last… It’s the Chinese who try to fish in troubled waters..
Past a month no Indian had said anything about China here but still you talk about Indias here…
Hope you think a lot about us than China…!!!! Funny…!!!
@ Redarmy
Can i ask? Are you an Indian or a communist thug from USSR?
Are you an unemployed like many others in India and have lots of spare time to sit on your PC or fed up with life?
This heading topic is for US, Russia and China. May i ask why India is being mentioned here?
Please bear in mind that this is a top table and only elite natons are allowed to rub the shoulders and India is not in that league.
The truth is China is a rising star.
They are hard working; disciplined, structured and well educated people and the future belong to China.
Good luck China
@ David
This answer is for you… Iam not an English dog like you… Before commenting
just read what I had said, as it’s only a response to someone… I know you
are a Paki sitting there in Britain and spreading filth there… Do that job properly
and or go to China and do sanitary work, as you have high regards to that country…
Good Luck
@ David
China is India’s largest trading partner and Pakistan almost gave the Most
Favoured Nation status to India. So your country’s evil designs to create
confusion in South Asia will never work.. Both India & China will never go to
any war and so don’t day dream for that to happen.. There are some heated
exchanges but that ends here and people from both these 2 countries are
friendly with eachother… In next 5 years Indo/Chinese trade is going to be
big when compared to any countries in this world… Your wish will never happen…!!!
@ Redarmy
Your comments are a very typical from so called an intelligent man, I am not going to lower myself to your level but the truth is your talking crap, yes it is true us Brits use to list you people in same category as dogs and correct wording was “no dogs or Indians allowed” which you people did not like especially the fundamentalist Hindu thugs like u. We described people like you who hide their identity as the people of “sewage” people.
Remove you false mask and show the world you true pathetic face rather than pretending to be your papa Redarmy.
Redarmy
Once again another Indian who is blaming us Brits for you divisions, lack of education, poverty, hunger, disease, unemployment, cast system, infrastructure, wars, hatred communal and religious violence etc etc after 63/64 years.
You people have so much hatred towards each other that you cannot even sit down together without punch ups.
So our British advice to you people is learns to walk before you start to run.
The simple truth is its pathetic people like you who cannot even “piss in the brewery” but dream of being world leaders………….
Redarmy
Let me remind you once again if you have already forgotten that us Brits are honest, fair minded and truth speaking people.
Yes and yes again China is developing much faster and much bigger economical power than India is today or 10,20,30,40 or even 50 years time……….
@ David
It’s a pity that stupids like you still boast on your country’s past laurels..
We have not forgotten the recent violence in your great country where
many were killed and thousands of shops looted in fron of your police/
army etc… The greatest shame is that you fellows still don’t know why
it happened and what is the solution… People stole like dogs from shops
and it was all fun to watch… But understand that it’s because of idiots
like you, who settle there illegally and have no work without proper education,
did such criminal activities which were unseen before… Don’t speak of honesty you
fool… If you are unemployed in Britain then go to China and do some job for
your living… Stop begging on the streets on Britain…
Well said, David. Stab deep into the heart. Stick straight to the bulls-eye. Indeed, I pity this guy rather than angry at he/she. The ways he/she express and speak were funny and brainless. He/she not learning from reality, keep hiding in the fantasy world and blindly accusing this and that. India is pitiful to have numbers of people like this living in India. This is the reason why India is still far lagging behind. Perhaps, the Indians are strong, but only with their mouth.
Stupid again opens her mouth…. You brainless little chicken will never become
better… It’s good that such a stupid like you does not live in China and hope you living
somewhere outside away in a dustbin… Great service to China indeed….!!! Lol
@ Redarmy
Its people like you who are sick of life through hunger, starvation, extreme poverty and live a utopia like your movies with an imagination that you’re Redarmy, your are probably the biggest twat to come out of India.
The world knows about the true face of India remember;
Delhi Genocide
Gujarat Genocide
Distraction of an historic Barbary mosque
Burning alive of Christian clergyman
No wonder you’re hiding behind your papa’s mask and thinking you have taken over from him.
World know along with idiot like you that India has an ugly scare on its face which we can all see.
Thanks Yoyo.
@david
There is no need for me to say my identity and you cannot compel anyone to do so.
It’s the moderator’s right to ask about it and hence don’t stress this issue
anymore and shut your bloody mouth… If you are interested then post your
full identity with address etc., and who cares to visit you at some dirty platform!!!
You stupid racials still live in many parts of world to harm the peaceful atmosphere
and paracites like you should be thrown inside Pacific Ocean…
Iam proud to have this name (Redarmy) you fool…
@ Redarmy
You have not defended your country’s scared face, shame on you and on your ugly country.
It is twats like you who gate crash while being uninvited and we Brits have one word and that is wankers.
Get out of this topic and got back to your own league otherwise you will be ejected you fool……………….
my take on this,
Russia - was the past thing - coming back strongly
USA - is the present but will not be the future
China - is the future - growing at a huge risk
India - Can be the future - besides china leading with a mile - but has to fight bureaucracy and corruption - government needs to relax industrial policies for export and manufacturing growth
UK - Can never feature on my list
Germany Japan today - nations who define quality in industry
@david
Idiots like you don’t deserve any reply… So come with some useful stuff to argue
or else get lost in Thames…. Iam sure that you are not a Brit but a nomad….
@redarmy
if you go to wonder why has david not spoken about islamist attacks on his home soil and other parts of the world. I do get a feeling he endorses and supports those activities. That caused his country to attack Iraq and Afganistan along with the US
@ indian at heart
Yes I agree… If we read all his earlier posts then it will easily prove his views and
intentions…
@redarmy
david requests you to get out of his topic (US, Russia and China) definately not his topic.
I kind of speaks for the world, it confuses me why like a stray dog does he find himself on the Indo-Pak topic (well unless he is pakistani by origin)
do you have any suggestions
@indian at heart
Rightly said friend…. You are spot on… He should look into their own problems first,
as the future for both Britain & Pakistan are in great danger… One going to collapse
economically and the other due to terrorism (already there is no economy there)….
Hope he thinks better and not interfere in others problems… He should understand
that a country can’t develop through terror camps….
@Indian at heart
This is typical of Indians when the idiots lose the argument than call the reinforcement in a way I can understand in your history that few people from central Asia went to India and controlled for centuries and then us Brits controlled you for few hundred years.
Now you talk about India being great but the truth is you’re no more than your Bollywood movies.
You’re no more than an average 3rd world country. I describe India a paper tigers and you two as maverick pigs but when it comes to the spirits of toughness.
You’re ejected both from this debate.
Good Bye
You can ignore these two idiots, David. I doubt they are the same fool.
@ indian at heart
Ignore the above two stupids, the second one is a semi-crack and so there is
no use in trying to make them understand… Even a chimpanzee whould have
learnt its lessons better than these two by this time but unfortunately they din’t…
@ Yoyo
Yes i do take your point but they are ejected.
I suggest from now on we simply ignore him.
@redarmy
i dont know what argument have we lost and what has david won. he is living in a world of fanticy (alice in wonder land kind).
all david an talk is the past, the present and future of his country is not worth mentioning. his country is nothing but a rotten country like dead wood or like burnt out charcoal (with no potential).
all over the world britishers are refereed to as pigs. england is also called the old & sick man of europe.
now for yoyo not worth talking to, from the time he is posting (i have always believed he was, is and will remain an idiotic fool)
@ Indian at heart or Redarmy or Something else you’re called.
It clearly shows that your still barking like a stray dog and haven’t taken anything in your brainless head.
Read my lips and read my previous comments you’re not getting my message in your think head, are you……….
Just another reminder for you that only chiefs and not Indians aren’t allowed amongst the big boys and you are Indian and not a chief who has already been ejected, so get the hell out of here Now.
DON’T ever come back and keep your mouth shut forever. Bye Bye
@ Indian at heart or Redarmy or Something else you’re called.
It clearly shows that your still barking like a stray dog and haven’t taken anything in your brainless head.
Read my lips and read my previous comments you’re not getting my message in your thick head, are you……….
Remember only chiefs and not Indians aren’t allowed amongst the big boys and you are an Indian and not a chief who has already been ejected, so get the hell out of here Now.
DON’T ever come back and keep your mouth shut forever. Bye Bye
David or Someother fool you’re called.
Why don’t you visit a good mental hospital in your country instead of posting
stupid things here??? If not jump into Thames, as I have already told you before,
and do a great service to the country where you stay illegally… Britain will
sink without any trace from world stage in the next 10 years or will be annexed
by the U.S…. Better get lost before that happens….
@ indian at heart
David has won something in his dream… May be he is still thinking of Britain
in 1900’s and hence his mind works abnormally… Just pity such creatures..
Better not to talk about the other fool…. Hope you understood whom I said….
@redarmy
please read my previous post
Chinese are well smarter than Indians. This is the fact. Chinese are hardworking than Indians. Again, this is the fact. Chinese are doing more than talking, unlike the Indians. This is another fact. Chinese are well-behaved and talk rationally, logically and morally, compare to Indians. This is undoubted fact. Indians always arguing but no actions, as said, only strong from their mouth, obviously we can see on the pages posted. All the signs and evidence have proof Indians are good on nothing, but to insult, jealous, defame and demonize China or Chinese. They are more capable to boast, swank, brag and exaggerate India talent, although many people knew where the Indians are truly up to. Who is/are stupid, let the readers to decide, certainly not those naive and childish kiddies.
Frustration has no medicine… Pity the above….
Pathetic lame, shut up! No pride at all? Simply no cure!
Don’t keep copied I said, you doggy…..
Especially to these sissy doggy; @ Redarmy, @ indian at heart. Indians should blame these two thick skins creatures to further humiliating India. Please I beg you quit embarrassing your country.
Don’t beg us to quit… We know that you do that for your living, outside china…
See how frustrated you are Yoyo piggie, you send three posts to show that off..
Can’t even put it in a single message and that shows what kind of a semi crack
you are… Anyway treat it fast before it gets serious… Frustrated idiot yoyo…
Get lost you funny girl…
China is a great country and a superpower both militarily and economically.
We Brits admire, respect, appreciate the Chinese people, especially with their live and let live policy.
“Great people make great nations and China is great”
@ Redarmy
Do you think me really going to beg you? You poor creature, still can’t get I meant. You are quite obtuse. No wonder India is way too far lagging behind. Go to hell, you mentally ill and physically disabled doggy. You people are pig because you smell reeks. What I most disdain the people in the world? It must be Indians. Frustrated you are indicated you have copied everything I said. You loser! You more you say, the more you embarrass your country. Idiot!
Dear moderator,
Did you moderate the Indians comments before allowing their comments to be posted? Why these Indians people typed dangerous, insulting and instigated remarks most of the time. You just let them post up without moderating their comments? I feel very confused and could not understand why Chinese comments have to wait quite a long time to get approval. I believed the way the Indians written are not tolerate and friendly than us, Chinese. Thank you.
Regards,
Yoyo
Dear Aby,
All pages that you have been publishing I admire the most are the pages comes under your pages scope of moderation. The remaining forums posted I would not say unattractive, but not fair to all readers especially to Chinese readers. In fact, I have noticed I might have mentioned something bad on the Russian; however, those said were truths. As we all know, to tell the truth, often thorn of ears. If any statements offended the Russians, I am more willing to apologize, but that will only proof the Russians behaved like niggard. Like it or not, it is up to you. Thank you.
Regards,
Yoyo
@ David, yes China is a very reactive country to any kind of business situations you can find great workers not affraid to work 8-9 hours a day and not complaining and anxious to do a quality job as long as you give them a decent pay and the best thing about China is they won’t make you suffocate under 3 tons of administration forms to fill out before you can settle your business with them
Westerners’ especially the Americans have constantly carrying some kind of double standard policy/preconception between China and other countries. For instance, India has violated the nuclear restraint regime for testing the Russians technology transferred medium/slightly long-range intercontinental ballistic missile, the Agni-v. But the Western powers did not condemn India, such act is inconceivable or not tolerable. One joke make me laugh to death is some people dare to say India could join the elite club of the five nuclear powerhouses (The US, Russia, Britain, France and China) after continuously tested missiles. HOHOHOHOHO…Come on….HAHAHAHAHA….lol
China’s strategic experts and official media have said that Agni-V missile has a range longer than India admits, and nuclear-capable projectile can hit cities in Europe.
Agni V has a range of 8,000 Kms and not 5,000 Kms, as per Mr.Du Wenlong. Wenlong, an expert at PLA Academy of Military Science, was not alone. Mr.Zhang Zhaozhang, professor with PLA National Defence University, too, was quoted in a newspaper as saying, ‘According to China’s standard, an ICBM should have a range of at least 8,000 Kms. The Agni V’s range could be further enhanced to become an ICBM’. ‘The missile brings whole of Asia apart from 70% of Europe and other regions under its strike range and puts India in a select band of countries to possess ICBM technology’ said the official Xinhua news agency.
These above reports are from the Chinese point of view and not from others.
Regarding Western powers condemning India, we can only laugh it out. Chinese should stop supporting terrorists by supplying arms or else they will taste their own
bitter medicine (like the Americans). It would also be better if they stop advising others and work hard to put an end on illegal nuclear technology transfer to other countries with terror network.
China supporting terrorists? I strongly demand you to rephrase your statement. Your said not only affront China, but also insulting Indians itself. Take out the evidence or it will only proof that you statement are pure baloney. Westerners (majority Americans) as well as Indians loved to exaggerate or justify things not true. Westerners’ only dilute the said of China supporting terrorists because they clearly known that China has always been focusing on the issue of lambasting terrorism. Their charge is intended to blow the China effort of military modernization and make out ridiculous claimed that China military build-up threatened it’s neighbors. Give me a break. I think we don’t need to elaborate or argue due to everybody knows that it is untrue (except some bad guys). After the incident of September 11, China has collaborated or working with the US to deter terrorism. Chinese also provided and exchanged information on the terrorism matter. Now you accused China on supporting terrorism? A plain joke! If you said China is supporting countries, which they (former Iraq government, Iran, Syria, Bahrain, Oman, Lebanon and etc) are not heed what an elder or superior says because they are not easily compromise to certain superpower. Then I am completely agree with you. I am not on the side to China, but you should not simply make out false claimed on innocent people. Another thing is whenever China is doing military or civilized used activities, they will be blamed for this and that, included rockets launching. What kind of logic is that? How about India? Continuously testing missiles and nuclear weapons. Who the hell India think she is? India just another pawn to the US to contain China in Asia.
It’s a well known fact that China supports the terrorists groups such as Maoist and Naxals, which acts against Indian people/Government. All their arms are of Chinese made and India has raised deep concerns to China on this issue. These groups kidnap foreign tourists/government officials for ransom. Another fact is that it was China which transfered the nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan and the Pakistani nuclear scientist, Mr.A.Q.Khan has acknowledged it too. In turn Pakistsn exchanged this technology, for missiles, with North Korea.
You should not not misguide others by saying that India continuously tests nuclear weapons. The last test was done in the year 1998 and India faced economic sanctions from all western countries/U.S. Missile tests, yes I agree but there is no other way to maintain our defence capabilities.
“India just another pawn to the U.S.???” You should understand that India is the largest importer of oil from Iran even today and inspite of all preassure tactics from the U.S against it, we have continued importing from Iran. Its China which is the largest economic partner of U.S and not India. If a country is acting against China then u should not brand them as pawn of U.S and it’s not correct. Even Vietnam does it and u can’t brand them as an U.S pawn. It’s all the regional/border issues which plays the role, other than U.S interests. Chinese troops regularly comes into Indian terrority of Chattisgarh and threaten the local people and hence these things are serious security issues which compels India to spend more on defence.
Well, if those stats are to be believed, then, in terms of pure quantity, Russia holds the most, followed by the U.S.A. , then China. In the end, it wouldn’t matter who fires the 1st one, the whole planet will go up in fire. And yes both Russia AND the states can launch warheads from air, sea, or land, all across the world; (also hence the name, I.C.B.M. [Inter-continental Ballistic missile]). Also f.y.i.: The U.S. apparently has at least a 1 gigaton (1000 megatons) warhead. And Russia has the Tsar bomba which is the biggest hydrogen bomb in the world apparently. I wouldn’t be too concerned about any world power using nukes; I would rather be more concerned about a computer hacker/terrorist/etc. setting 1 off that has a hate against the world or somethin’.
I could read only one sixth of this page, and got few facts and lost of insane comments by chauvinists. America is a great nation in almost all fields, from science and warfare to pornography and prostitution. And so is almost any other nation on smaller scales. No nation is perfectly pure or impure. Chauvinism is feudal attachment to one’s land, or frog’s attachment to its well. Nukes or missiles do not make a nation great. Dinosaurus was great, but could not survive.
As for India vs China, I would like to comment that both nations are engines of the modern world with a big difference : Chinese leadership is patriotic and aims to make China a superpower, while Indian leadership as a whole is traitor trying to loot the nation and keep the spoils in Swiss and other banks. It is a wonder that Indians are able to make phenomenal progress in spite of such a leadership. Taking into account the directions of world economy &c, it seems safe to predict that India cannot be prevented from becoming a superpower, alongwith China, within a few decades. Economic growth rate of developed nations are many times slower than those of China and India among major nations. This is now a long term trend and if it continues, downfall of the West cannot be prevented within a few decades. When the life enery of a nation extinguishes, weapons cannot rekindle it. In the West, I foresee a reversal of world history, downfall of North America and rise of Europe.
Ok people instead of arguing about who will win the war, who has the most nuclear, who has more man power, who will beat who, who saved who, and who will do this and that why cant you all just try to have a discussion of how to prevent this. I know that you want you’re country to be the best and all but the decision is not up to you. The only thing we can do is hope that this does not happen. Do you really want you’re children living in a world where everyone has turned against each other. Im only 15 but come on, you people sound like your 12 year olds with copy and paste information from wikipedia. Also, you should know that talking about who has more nukes wont intimidate anyone.