US vs Russia vs China - Nuclear Warhead Stockpiles
Aby June 26th, 2007
Due to their overwhelming destructive power, nuclear bombs have become a political tool rather than military weapons in this era. Continuing the Soviet legacy, Russia continues to be the leader in the size of nuclear warhead stockpile and delivery capabilities. United States of America comes at a close second, followed at a distance by the People’s Republic of China. Although this triad share close trade ties with each other, they are considered military rivals, mainly due to their political alignment and spheres of influences.
The largest nuclear explosion - the Tsar Bomba test of 1961 (Click on video to play)
Russia - Russia (ex- Soviet Union) has the distinction of successfully developing and testing the first fusion based nuclear bomb in 1949. It also developed and tested the most powerful nuclear bomb till date - the Tsar Bomba in 1961 with an yield of 50 Megatons (the Hiroshima bomb Little Boy yielded 0.013 Megatons). The current Russian nuclear stockpile is estimated to be 17000 warheads of which 7200 are believed to be operational and deployed. The nuclear warheads can be fired from bombers, silo or mobile truck launched ICBMs and submarine based SLBMs.
United States - The United States of America is the first country to develop and test a successful nuclear bomb in 1945 (Manhattan test). It is also the first and only country till date to use nuclear bombs on human cities (Hiroshima and Nagasaki). The first megaton bomb the Ivy Mike was also tested by USA in 1952 with an yield of 10 Megatons. The current US nuclear stockpile is about 9900 warheads of which about 5500 are operational. United States possess stealth bombers, silo launched ICBMs and submarine launched SLBMs as nuclear weapons delivery systems.
China - China began to develop nuclear bombs after repeated nuclear threats and blackmail from US and UK over the Taiwan and Hong Kong crisis’s respectively. It tested its first fission based nuclear bomb on 16th October 1964 dubbed as the ‘596‘ test. China’s first hydrogen bomb was successfully tested on 17 June 1967, with an yield of 3.3 Megaton. China’s current nuclear stockpile is significantly smaller than US or Russia - at an estimate of 150 to 200 warheads. However the exact number is not known due to PRC government’s secrecy concerning China’s military capability. China can deliver nuclear bombs using silo and mobile launched ICBMs and submarine launched SLBMs. It does not emphasise on bombers as nuclear bomb delivery systems despite having a few nuclear capable bombers.
The Conclusion - USA and Russia currently possess the largest nuclear stockpiles which are the remnants of the Cold War arms race. Both USA and Russia have the capability to cause irreversible mass devastation of the human race on this world using their nuclear weapons stockpile and delivery system. The People’s Republic of China can cause significant damage or either Russia or USA however it cannot destroy them with its small nuclear stockpile (which is used mainly as a political tool for deterrence). As permanent members of the United Nations Security Council and signatories to the nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, their nuclear stockpiles do not evoke apprehension as much as those of Pakistan or (possibly) Iran’s does.
More Information and Resources
- Nuclear Weapons Archive - A guide to nuclear weapons
- Russia’s Nuclear Capabilities - News piece by The Telegraph, London
- Nuclear Missile Forces - US vs Russia vs China
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Russia is only a 3rd world poor country they cannot do anything to USA let alone destroy us.
@fire in the sky: Sorry to burst your bubble, but 7200 nukes raining down on the USA are enough to obliterate the country, regardless if they´re launched by a “rd world country” or not.
If the 50 megaton Tsar bomb is dropped on Manhattan it can take out the entire New York, New Jersey and Virginia with it. A giant H-Bomb does not consider if 3rd or 4th world fired it.
The 7200 nukes can rain only after they reach USA and it is too far for Russia to drop a nuke on USA. We can destroy Russia by launching nuclear missiles from USA even before they wake up to realise whats happening.
2300+ nuclear warheads fitted in MIRVs can be launched from 489 long range ICBMs (10000+ km) and about 12 nuclear SLBM (8000+ km) equipped submarines in a 6 minute warning time. The 10 warhead MIRVs can penetrate any US missile defence system and independently target 10 locations per missile with a strike rate of more than 75% accuracy. Enough to obliterate USA in a total of 30 minutes.
Nuclear bombs will not be used unless a country is about to be taken over. grant it the us used it on japan but that is an exeption we where about to invade the mainland and we would have lost tons of men. Nuclear war is in fact very distant. Like it says it is more of a deturrent than a weapon. Grant it China dosent have the same moral values as America so it is not a sure thing, in all There a ton of variables and they will change and in fact russia is not a big factor what so ever they do have alot of nuclear warheads they will not group with china and go to war vs america. And if anything they won’t drop nuclear weapons on america. And if these 2nd world countrys even have the tech to put it over america. It is one thing to have it, it is a total other thing to get it to america. and the fact of droping one on NY that would be the most unlikly thing to happen for one it is on the total other side of which they would attack so there would be nothing to gain exept to really make the Us mad. In the real acspet they would drop a nuclear bomb on a huge city in the west coast same effect but better results. In all reality the Us and China and Russia will in all reality will not go to war or if they do it would end in a draw. And Just to tell you guys Russia is a 2nd world country and so is China. China is really starting to become a 1st world country.
“Nuclear bombs will not be used unless a country is about to be taken over.”
The United States was about to use nuclear bombs on Vietnam, if UK didn’t vehemently oppose it.
“Grant it China dosent have the same moral values as America so it is not a sure thing”
Depends. I would rather trust the moral values of a country which did not kill 11 million people than a country which has a history that would give Hitler a complex. Has China shown any tendency to possess any less human values than did USA?
“It is one thing to have it, it is a total other thing to get it to america.”
But it is an easy thing for 5 countries in 2007.
“And Just to tell you guys Russia is a 2nd world country and so is China. China is really starting to become a 1st world country. “
Correction. Russia is very much a first world country - militarily, politically and economically.
The objective of nuclear weapons is credible deterrance, not use. No country in its right mind would go to war against a nuclear power.
No Russia is considered a 2nd world country. And are you stupid Russias economy is terrible. I due agree with you on some stuff. Yes china has show in humain vaules remember when the goverment shot all those kids who wanted democracy. PS. Sry for spelling i’m very tired at the moment. And politically Russia has no power what so ever. America is the worlds police. When ever something goes wrong the world expects America to do something about it. And no it is very hard to transport a Nuclear weapon across the ocean. Indeed it is alot easyier than back in the 1980s. but it is still very difficult to complete. i think what we all really need to be woried about is IRAN and N korea. If anything they are the ones to accually use one.
“And are you stupid Russias economy is terrible.”
I am not known to be stupid and I sincerely hope you are not. Russia has a 7.9% GDP and a booming economy, not just on oil and gas. Perhaps you would do yourself a favour by updating yourself on economic affairs. It is not a G8 nation for nothing.
Source - The Economist - http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/display.cfm?id=349002
“Yes china has show in humain vaules remember when the goverment shot all those kids who wanted democracy.”
We’ll go by the numbers and rational logic. Tiananmen was 18 years ago, because of a mistake of police which has been duly apologised and compensated for. In contrast if we look at US, more than a million Vietnamese children and Iraqi children are far from an apology - they are not even getting the medical help required because of US assaults. Who is the lesser evil?
“And politically Russia has no power what so ever. America is the worlds police. When ever something goes wrong the world expects America to do something about it.”
America involved itself in countries where to it not wanted. It fights either for its own interest or at it’s allies’ behest. No country wants a world police at the cost of its sovereignty. And Russia’s political power? Perhaps if you don’t like this site, you might be interested to update yourself world news from unbiased sources and avoid extremist Fox News.
“i think what we all really need to be woried about is IRAN and N korea. If anything they are the ones to accually use one.”
I suggest you provide evidence or trends which verify that they might use nuclear weapons. What a person fears and what actually happens are separated to a wide chasm by the actual circumstances.
Russia is not a economically poor country Zack K Nordyke, where do you get your information from? It is among the world’s 10 largest economy and with only 141 million people it is something. Russia and China are the only REAL enemy getting in the way of US world domination. Iran, Iraq, Taliban they are all artificial they cannot do any real damage to USA.
its going to be interesting to see russia move into the middle east to clean up americas mess. i think then the world will take note of ust how powerfull they are
LET ME TELL YOU A TRUE FACT.
[NEW YORK] WILL BE BURNED BY A [NUKE] IN THE LATER YEARS OF [2020+].
AND THE WORLD WILL END
JUST REMEBER THIS WHEN THAT TIME COMES
WE WILL ALL DIE AND GO TO GOD…
actually, the US was the first to build and test a fusion bomb. Ivy Mike was a hydrogen bomb, the video of the test is on the internet
what did we create for our next generation?
Weapons of master destruction, polluted ocean, global warming, credit cards.
what is the solution??? can anyone tell me how? dont blame others, do from yourself? share,
share your idea and share your passion of love. share as simple as (car pool) , be a bicyclist. be a good man.
a peace lover.
@ericoak - I am sorry to say you are mistaken. The first Soviet fusion bomb was based in the Solika project which not a hydrogen bomb but a fusion bomb nevertheless. It was a lithium deuteride fusion bomb which was triggered by a non stage fission explosion. Ivy Mike came three years later as a hydrogen based multi-staged fission-fusion-fission hydrogen bomb based on the Teller Ulam design. It was hardly the first fusion bomb.
@our next generation - I share your passion but what about nations who develop and use such weapons on mankind and would not hesitate to use the same if they have a safe chance? Should not all nations ensure their own security?
We have seen many wars and the American participation in almost all the wars which were faught in the last 15 years. The war on Iraq din’t have the approval of the U.N but still the U.S went on to attack Iraq on false allegations and killed more than 1,00,000 innocent civilians. Moreover Iraq today is in the brink of civil war and the U.S is testing its new weapons on innocent civilians. Imagine if the Russians went on for a war against any country without the approval of the U.N!!! The Americans fear only the countries which posses nuclear weapons. So the world needs a strong and firm response to counter the so called American adventures. I think only the Russians can challenge the Americans and make the world stable.
and by the way, the russians stole the plans for nuclear technology from america and it’s the only reason they were able to develop one only 3 years after america’s first bomb. look it up if you don’t believe it, their bomb was modeled exactly after the trinity bomb and fatman and little boy. had it not been for stealing the technology, it would probably have taken them 10 years to develop it.
@Only The Facts - I advise you heed your own suggestion of speaking on facts instead of getting carried off by your McCarthyism emotions. The first Russian test “First Lighting” was a lithium deteride fusion device, quite apart from the fission based US nuclear bombs at that time. Extremist nationalism is considered an emotional outburst, that is which you are doing.
As for your rants about Russia being a third world country, it would be much more helpful for your stance if you could provide any factual sources to back up the same. We are not here for a flame war or hate fuelled nationalism.
in regards to nuclear technology, not only did the US invent nuclear weapons, but american nukes are the most advanced and accurate in the world. anybody who argues to the contrary is only fooling themselves. without a doubt, american weapons are the world’s most advanced. this is not nationalism, this is very plain and pure fact.
@Only The Facts - “in regards to nuclear technology, not only did the US invent nuclear weapons, but american nukes are the most advanced and accurate in the world.”
The United States tested the first nuclear bomb yes, but it does not make it a frontrunner in technology. Who invented the first rocket? Space travel? Successful satellite launch? Ballistic missiles? Nuclear is just one of the many war technologies, and most of the others were developed my USSR (now Russia). As for your second claim about US nukes being most accurate and advanced, I suggest you provide facts and figures and spare us the nationalistic claims.
@Only The Facts -”..without a doubt, american weapons are the world’s most advanced. this is not nationalism, this is very plain and pure fact.”
It seems that you have lost the capability to distinguish between facts and fiction. I hope it is temporary. Next time, do provide some credible figures and factual information which our readers can look up and verify. Our readers are not impressed by tall claims, unfortunately for you. If it is opinions and ideologies you want to talk about, please do not masquerade them as ‘facts’ - it is misleading.
This is for all you americans! In all your blogs you have said that america is the world police, Have you restored peace to Iraq? In fact i belive that you have done the opposite, dont you? You lost in vietnam and just excallated the problem!! And when the UK pulls out of Iraq and Afganistan what are you going to do? Russisa could wipe the flooe with you and you can do the same to them, whoever launches the first missle is basically going to win unless the defending countrys can put up effective defensive counter measures, so america can not save the world no matter how arrogant you are, just a quick not on how sad you all really are!
Aby, get out of lala land and realize that we DO control the world, certainly not your puny and weak country who runs away from every fight like a little girl and not your vodka ridden proxy country Russia. And British Rule, you rule nothing any longer, your evil island started all of it with your country cutting across ethnic lines on purpose to create wars, and so your little island can sell weapons to both sides. The U.S. is essentially cleaning up the mess that YOUR imperialism left behind. Europeans started the mess in the world and they should clean it up, oh I forgot, you can’t wipe your asses without our permission. Well, here is your permission, we allow you to clean up your mess. We should let you fend for yourself, let Russia take over Europe, or let the Germans rise again to knock the shit out of the rest of you weaklings. I only respect the Germans in Europe because they are strong and intelligent, the rest of you truly are little weak girls who can’t even fight for themselves.
To Only The Facts -
“The U.S. is essentially cleaning up the mess that YOUR imperialism left behind.”
British were responsible for many crimes but they did not kill 1/20 as much in their 200 year imperialism than America did in last 20 years. They also gave a wealth of infrastructure in countries they occupied like India which stand till today. If we had to choose between British or American imperialism it will always be British anytime. Thank god we were not born in Iraq.
“Aby, get out of lala land and realize that we DO control the world..”
Arrogance, you control only weak underdeveloped countries where ruthless dictators kill and oppress their people for enjoyment and pot bellied sheiks who use little girl kids for their uncontrolled lust. You have not even managed to control Iraq. 20 something amateurs with 50 year old Russian Kalashnikovs and hand grenades give your soldiers nightmares. Surely you can try your hand in sovereign nuclear Russia, India or China? Remember 1971 when your Navy peed in its pants when they realised they underestimated India? The world is not a Hollywood movie wake up and see reality.
USA has given so many things to this world..from science and technology to democracy and etc etc….Also it has created distance and hatred between human beings by its naked imperialistic policies. The arrogancy and imperialistic attitude will bring this mighty nation down. The final days are near if they pursue this path.
In 1971 Bangladeshis were ready to face any enemy with our poor life for the sake of freedom from the then west pakistan,s army ruler. Brilliant leader Indira Ghandi was beside us. Without the help from India, USSR and above all our freedom fighter against USA`s shamful foreign policy it might had been worse than anyone could imagine. They tried and failed.
The desire for freedom cannot be suppress by Nuclear power or any weapon. Before USA many mighty nations tried and failed. History comes back again and again. The fools who say USA control the world are leaving in dreamland. USA only try to control and make troubles where cannot, thats their policy. After 6 years of war they are controlling 20% of Baghdad. Shame on their Army with that sophistication. If Iraqis/freedom fighter/insurgent or whatever u lebel them, had 1/10th of the arms of USA army , they could have taken control of NY city by this time. So arrogant ppl of USa should wake up and the good US citizens should kick the ass of those arrogants before USA face final and last humiliation.
you want to compare now the indian navy to the us navy? maybe they shoot spicy curry at us, then we would probably be scared, hahaha. India can’t even fight Pakistan for Kashmir, they knock your little army out left and right. get real sucker. if i lived in india, i would want to die just from the smell. you know that indian, everywhere in the world, ppl think you smell nasty, and you do because you sweat that disgusting spicy food and don’t wash up, because you are third world. Brits controlled your country like it was their little toy so don’t think India has any sort of power whatsoever in this world. you’re people only smell bad and bobble their nappy heads going “ah bhad bhad bhad bhad bhad”, you’re like the joke of the world and you didn’t even know it. People hate us because we are in power now, people hate you because you smell. I’d rather be the former than the later. As far as I see it, we have 25% world GDP and half it’s weapons, what does indian have? 25% of world’s population and 99% of it’s stench. You bloody smelly indians!
@ Only The Facts
Cut the insults against the rest of the world or we will have to cut your ability to comment on this site. I am sure our human readers would not mind having you off this site, you are quite rude and an embarrassment to sane Americans. You find Indians smelly, Russians vodka drinking villagers, Swiss as girly pacifists, Europeans as Nazis, British as imperialists, Chinese as evil - and of course America is perfect, God’s own country. You fail to live up to your nickname ‘Only The Facts’, it seems logic takes the backseat when you talk about your improvised version of ‘facts’, without any evidential source of course.
As for your rants about how great your navy is, your ancestors were not so confident about beating India when USS Enterprise nuclear carrier did a hasty retreat off the Indian Ocean during the South Asian Crisis of 1971. Assuming my knowledge of world history is correct, the US failure to prevent the defeat of Pakistan in 1971 was a major embarrassment of Richard Nixon government and tilted world faith towards Soviet Union for a little while. Perhaps our nuclear submarines scare US more than their faith in their aircraft carriers. Either you could update your history instead of muttering like a fanboy or you could debate this point using actual facts, take your pick.
Hang on, I recall you said something yesterday, I’ll word it as you said it “I’m not responding on this site any longer because it’s a waste of my time” in here. Have you changed your plans? It would have been pleasant for our readers if you had kept to your decision, you know.
@ Only The Facts - “..certainly not your puny and weak country who runs away from every fight like a little girl..”
During the World War 1, France, Italy, Germany and other Europeans nations recognised the neutrality of Suisse and fought accordingly. During the World War 2, there were a lot of German Nazi sympathisers in Switzerland and if it were not for the protection of neutrality and liberal democracy, Switzerland would have been made to join the Fascist forces. The Swiss resisted German attacks and repelled them successfully, they had no reason to involve in a war which is not theirs and where no loyalties lie. If you think fighting a war is a sign of manliness, you are mistaken - it is a primitive ’survival of the fittest’ concept, the Nazi ideal which claims ‘lower humans’ need to be eliminated to keep purity of ‘higher race’. You have not faced personal losses in a war, if you did or knew someone close who did, you would not have blamed Switzerland for maintaining its neutral stance
@ Only The Facts - “I only respect the Germans in Europe because they are strong and intelligent..”
If you were looking for intelligence and strength you should be looking to Britain, France, Switzerland and Soviet Union. These are the countries intelligent enough not to get involved in Nazi and Fascist ideals and fight to repeal it. Germany was embroiled in extreme nationalism and a systematic eugenics which involved extermination of Jews and other disadvantaged people - none of these acts were remotely a sign of strength or intelligence. From your association of masculinity to wars and your attraction of World War Germany, I could only assume what you ideals are. You can confirm if my suspicions that you are a Nazi sympathiser, is correct.
but i must compliment you on one thing aby, all male chauvanism aside, i’m glad that you’ve held true to your liberal ideology and have not censored me thus far. just hope you keep it up because i think people need to hear both sides.
Thank you for the compliment. As regards our censure, you have been quite trying for us I admit. The purpose of this site is education, information and debate, not flame wars. I have already received complaints from readers ragarding your posts. Rest assured that in your next posts, instead of removing the curse word, we will blacklist the comment itself. We appreciate normal and civil discussion even if it contradicts our articles however we do not appreciate a show of your nationalism, male chauvinism or whatever you call it.
here is one for you. say russia and america did get into a war. who would win? i know this might seem like a 12 year old question but i have been wondering about this forever now. i respect russia and how much power they do have. but i have heard from people that work for our government and people i know that have went to russia say it is a 3rd world country with super powers. i dont know for sure but the people i talk to about this know what they are talking about.
@ Only The Best - In case of a US vs Russia war, the winner would be the one with a larger nuclear arsenal and delivery system capable of striking the enemy. A better ABM and anti-satellite defence system against enemy ICBMs would also be helpful. Regardless of economy, Russia scores on both those areas, with a much larger nuclear stockpile and the only credible ABM defence system till date. It is also the only country whose anti-satellite missiles have the maximum range and strike accuracy (CEP).
I agree with Dmitri.
i dont mean to disagree but i think that america does have a good anti-satellite defence system and as i dont have any proff of this last i heard an saw on tv ( might be making a fool of myself here) we have light rays that destroy the ICBMs in air way before that get to american land. also i understand that….( again no proof) america has hundreds or misslie base’s around russia…not pointed at them just around……also russia has way older tech for ICBM as america is atleast 20 years ahead. now i dont look to offend anyone here i just heard all this stuff and i want to either correct it or conferim it.
@ only the best - “..we have light rays that destroy the ICBMs in air way before that get to american land.”
We discuss facts, not science fiction, Mr. only the best. Despite the developments in laser, there have been no such breakthoroughs to stop ICBMs which immense KE. Lasers simply can’t meet such high energy demands in a brief time with the technology available at present and in the near future. If you have anything to prove or confirm otherwise, you are free to do so.
@ only the best - “..also russia has way older tech for ICBM as america is atleast 20 years ahead due to the fall of the iron curtain.
That is like saying Saudi Arabia is more democratic than Great Britian. Russia currently ahead of US in all of its missile/aerospace technolgies, be it ICBMs, ABMs, etc. Except SLBMs of course, the area where US Navy scores due to its better submarines.
@ only the best - “..now i dont look to offend anyone here i just heard all this stuff and i want to either correct it or conferim it.”
We don’t take offense that easily and hopefully, neither do our readers. You are free to disagree and criticise as long as you do not use personal insults at readers/authors and any form of swearwords.
do you have any proof of russia being ahead of the US in any areas that you say? also i will look to find the light ray defence that i had talked about.
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002380.html
score a major win for the americans……U.S.A ALL THE WAYYYY
I don’t think the U.S. would have any problems if The United Knigdom backs us up. The U.S. and the U.K. have the worlds strongets militaries eaisly. Plus, who is afraid of Russia, they coludn’t even beat Alfganastan. Don’t even get me started on China, they couldn’t even invade litte bitty Tawin if it came down to it.
Many in the U.S talk only about Russia losing to Afghanistan. But they easily forget that America lost to Vietnam in the past. Even now the U.S has lost the war against Iraq and isolated by its own allies in the war.
we didnt losse the war in iraq. we are talking it over and trying to make 300 years of history happen over night. vietnam is a lill different. you cant fight a war and be held back.
@ only the best - I am sorry to say that the source you provided on the fourth post above is against you. The authors testifies that laser death ray project which the Bush administration is pursing is a waste of money and at best a fantasy at the current technology. This is what the article concludes -
A lot of KE is required to stop a ballistic ICBM at hypersonic speeds and it is expecting too much of the present lasers to be able to focus that kind of energy from space even if we were to increase the energy of the most powerful laser a thousand-fold. The laws of physics can not be defied, even for US.
I agree partly with the last post, I don’t think the war in Iraq was a military failure, but a political one. One cannot win a guerilla war against a nation of people driven by a sense of revenge or religious duty. USSR faced that in Afghanistan when US employed the Al Qaeda, something that turned out to be at their own cost. The best strategy in such a situation is a gradual withdrawal, otherwise it would ultimately lead to the collapse of the economy of the invading nation.
It was getting a little hostile. I have tried to check out this first Russian fusion bomb but after 15 minutes of searching I came up with nothing. If you had some credible sources I will be willing to believe you. Further, neither the US or Russia really created rocket technology. Both the US and Russia grabbed as many of the Nazi scientist as they could to develop their space programs. They were almost a decade ahead of us.
Further, the whole point of US and Russian nuclear arsenals is MAD. These anti missile systems might be a able to sop a couple dozen from a smaller country, but each side has thousands of nuclear and very accurate cruise missiles from land, air, and sea. Both countries would be completely wiped out, and it is kind of pathetic to ever believe that either country could survive.
I believe you were referring to the Sloika Design, which was detonated on August 12, 1953. Further, almost all of this weapons power was from fission, and it was less than 1 Megaton. As compared to Ivy Mike, detonated November 1st 1952, which had yield of 10.4 Megatons. They have the Ivy Mike detonation on youtube. Amazing and scary at the same time.
The Test No.4 of August 1953 was based on the Sloika design as the first thermonuclear explosion although as you say, most of its energy was dereived from a first stage nuclear fission. Prior to this, the Test No.2 on 24th September 1951 was a fusion implosion device, although not a thermonuclear device which was based on a layer cake design with core developed from Rutherford’s theories. Not all fusion devices are thermonuclear, as is proved by the Test No. 2 which failed to produce the megaton yield as desired. It is a scientific error to take fusion device as necessarily as a thermonuclear device, if this were true, there would have been no low energy cold fusion we witness today.
As for your idea about cruise missiles, they do not make reliable strategic nuclear weapons delivery system as they can be tracked and shot down. Cruise missiles are not really rockets but modified airplanes. Ballistic missiles, particularly ICBM and SLBM pose a bigger risk because of accuracy, range, trajectory, speed and MIRV which make them difficult to intercept and destroy.
It might be pathetic to believe either country would survive but still, it would be better to consider facts before emotions. Even if a full scale nuclear war were to happen between US and USSR, the result would be massive destruction and yet complete anihilation of either nation would be practically impossible.
thank god i have a ally on this website. its just makes me mad when people are wrong and wont admitt it. thanks eric.
and btw we have the light rays the web site i posted cant come out and say we have it due to it being top secret.
@ only the best - “..and btw we have the light rays the web site i posted cant come out and say we have it due to it being top secret.”
Are you certain you have the authority or the clearance to reveal top secret matter of the United States Department of Defense? Your administration would not be very happy about someone revealing top secret material in this site.
@ only the best - “thank god i have a ally on this website. its just makes me mad when people are wrong and wont admitt it. “
Glad that you have realised it is normal to admit mistake. Why don’t you admit it that your claims have no factual base? It would be easier to do that than getting mad and making claims of having access to top secret government information.
@ ericoak - “Both the US and Russia grabbed as many of the Nazi scientist as they could to develop their space programs. “
I am aware of the declassified US CIA Operation Paperclip. I am however unaware of any such operations by Soviet Union that they managed to steal prominent rocket or missile scientists. Do you have anything as evidence?
Ok this whole thing seems strange an argument about nuclear weapons and war and barely a mention of Britain. You might all be interested to know that Britain’s global influence is second only to the USA. Mainland Europe may not ever fight or defend itself well. but Britain always shows that we are a country that excels in warfare and military tactics. Britain may only have half of the population of Russia but we r in the top 5 economies with the second greatest military.
something often forgotten is a countries allies. Britain is far better at gaining allies than china, usa and russia. if Britain starts a war the USA would undoubtably back us up as well as the European Union as we r a member and countries such as Canada, Australia, south Africa and India would probably help us due to us training most of their armies and strong relationships since we gave back their independence.
With regards to Nuclear weapons, how many nukes do you think it takes to wipe out a countries power? The Usa and Russia have strangely large stockpiles followed by China then Britain and France. While the USA would act stupidly as usual bombing random parts of the countries the rest would be more intelligent. So don’t forget about Britain population has never meant much really.
As an American, I must say that it is disgusting that anyone glorifies war, slavery or imperialism. I really do not care how many weapons the world’s armies have, I simply wish that we could enter a new age of enlightenment. Alas, I know the improbability of this, but my American friend, do me a favor and quit embarrassing me and yourself! You sound like one of those disgusting God-fearing Republicans…
this website is bias…. and st….peace be with ya lol
@ only the best -
Maybe we should just start accepting your rumours about laser death rays and throw hard facts out of the window, as you would have liked us to. This is an information site Mr. only the best, not a science fiction forum.
You have been making bizarre claims about about US being able to destroy MIRV with lasers and then are unable to give any evidence or proof of it. You try to defend yourself by making bizarre claims about ‘top secret’ information instead of admitting the error. When this attempt gets thwarted by Aby above, you follow up responses claiming ‘bias’ which you and I know, is not true.
Many of the comments posted by the Americans (not all of them, so don’t start yelling at me) really embarrass me. There was a time when I was proud to be an American, but if you really listen to the way our citizens talk and interact within a peaceful discussion… gosh it just makes me sick to my stomach to be surrounded by so many arrogant, ignorant, and UNCIVILIZED people… I just returned from South America, and the whole time I was there I wished I could hide my accent and blend in… people like “Only the Facts” give America a bad name… and how America ATTEMPTS to police the world… (unsuccessful at it, but they try) just makes me want to move. I just hope that the rest of the world knows and understands how many Americans actually disagree with our government and arrogant, immature people like “Only the facts”, and many of us would love nothing more than to see a complete revolution and shift of power back to the people of America instead of in the hands of current corrupted politicians and military leaders.
That is all.
it is true, i gave you the link you guys just cant take that a american one uped you. just take it. this site is bias btw
@ only the best - “i gave you the link you guys just cant take that a american one uped you.”
I agree as well as anyone does that you gave the link. But on a quick read of the links, it says death rays does not exist and is unrealistic. It speaks nothing about MIRVs and says that the space based death rays are a waste of money, a fantasy. I also noticed that you claim you have access to top secret information, I hope for your sake that the US DoD does not read this post, you could be in trouble for making such information public.
Now for the ‘bias’. Am I to understand you are a realistic, unbiased and neutral person? Perhaps someone reading your last few comments would be able to judge for themselves.
@ Patriotic Briton- “Britain is far better at gaining allies than china, usa and russia. if Britain starts a war the USA would undoubtably back us up as well as the European Union as we r a member and countries such as Canada, Australia, south Africa and India would probably help us due to us training most of their armies and strong relationships since we gave back their independence.“
Lol how wrong you are. China and Russia and other prominent Central Asian states with access to vast quantities oil are currently allied very strongly and form an organization called SCO (Shanghai cooperation organization), don’t ask for links this info is plastered all over google. China and Russia together alone would make a formidable alliance and as described in the times newspaper, sco is a counter-weight to nato although this is subjectional.
Also China is having MUCH greater success in securing oil around the world. It now imports huge amounts of Iranian and Russian oil and other Central Asian countries’ oil. It is also securing oil in Africa which the US and other European states have been trying for ages and having much greater success. If you’re going to mention that the Chinese are greedy and don’t care about the massacres in Sudan-Darfur and raising their debt, don’t bother. The Chinese have actually released a substantial amount of African debts, more so than the Europeans. Furthermore, it was the Chinese diplomacy that allowed a breakthrough and agreements for AU corps to move in and help with the mess in Africa.
China is also securing oil in Venezuela, which currently harbours deep hatred towards North America, in fact in a recent Africa-Venezuela summit, Hugo Chavez publicly spoke out that the he wanted to get rid of North American imperialism in a hostile manner. Venezuela is keen to get rid of its north american dependence for oil and ship on a larger basis to China in particular.
So really, in a war who is likely to win, pissy Britain and USA with no like oil and no-one to give them any and with waning allies, or countries like Russia and China who have the huge manufacturing powers and manpower AND TECHNOLOGY as well as recent divisions of ‘hacker’ armies who can quite easily cripple vulnerable western infrastructure.
U.S. has the largest deployable stock pile of nuclear weapons with Russia in second.
Russia destroys it’s nukes where as the U.S. just takes theirs apart and can assemble it on a later date if they wish (also to take some of the technology/materials from Russian missles while you’re “observing” their destruction).
As far as this little piss-stain Beni go’s - how dare you try and belittle the U.K..!
If it’s wasn’t for the the U.K - there would be NO America, NO Canada, NO Australia, NO New Zealand, NO economy what-so-ever in Africa & India - as we give all these GREAT nations to blue-prints and helping hand for success………NO COUNTRY HAS HAD A GREATER INFLUENCE ON THE WORLD AS GREAT BRITAIN - not even the Romans…and for a tiny little Island, this is a massive achievement - not to mention the nation that give the world Football, Boxing, Rugby, Cricket - pretty much every decent sport (I say decent as I personally HATE american sports)!
Who cares who has the most nuclear weapons - In an Ideal world there would be none at all…….plus it’s doesn’t take too many to destroy a countries defence systems if used tactically..!
TheHewi, Newcastle/England
British & Proud..!
Hey USA UK RUSSA EUROPE Lets all wake up.The root of the worlds problems lies the middle east. Lets sit back and let them all kill each other cause they’ve proven that they are too stupid to get along.Then we can sit back and let the north koreans starve to death.I cant believe the arguments over whose nukes are better.No one wins in a nuke war.
the worlds problems dont stem from the middle east. since the late 1960’s to now, countries have been moving for position in the middle east. Russia for example in afghanistan, usa in iraq and afghanistan. the middle east not only has the most oil, its also a huge tactical advantage to whoever controls it. further more, all countries are guilty of huge atrocities against civilians. dont blame the usa for all of it. as for china and russia, the usa is going to be at war with china within the next 20 years, we know this, and they know it. they wont be able to avoid a nuclear attack from the usa without russias help though. there are a ton of chinese exchange students at my college and they know that china will go to war with the usa. the only thing i can guarentee is that the usa will not be invaded, we will lauch our nukes before it comes to that.
You all make me laugh thinking anyone will win in a nuclear war you stupid people, for one when them missiles are fired just kiss your ass goodbye, if you survive you would wish you were dead, we will all be bombed back to the stoneage, and i will be glad and hope the people of the new world will learn about the silly people we were and rebuild a world without violence and hatred cos to me thats all the average human being is, we are a plague like ebola and if all the human race was killed it might be a good thing for this planet. No other animal on this planet has the potential to poison, blow up, and create mass extinctions levels like us stupid little people, i have children and the way this world is going, i honestly regret having them, i am british and proud of it, i like everyone in the world who likes me and i respect there point of view and how they like to live, i dont believe in american policy, but then i dont beleive in russian or chinese policy, or even british policy, i belive in doing the best for me and my family, and i like to help people who are not as fortunate as me, no matter what colour or creed, grow up you people and smell the cheese, try and get along and forget who has more nuclear weapons than who, as if there used it wont matter then, cos i tell you the people who survive it will wish they were dead, living in a nuclear winter, with dead children, babies, the people who you cared about dead and your country brought to ruins, and disease and poisins riddled in the air, id rather go in the blast, do you think china, the usa, and russia want to build there economys up to have all out war, with no winner and a life of gloom later, as what will money mean to anyone then, But i will say this the sooner Bush has left office the better as the trouble in the world is worse since he got in power and it seems to me that american policy back fired on him when 9/11 happened, god bless the poor soles who lost people there, but you only have to watch farenheight 9/11 to see his hands are dirty with the bin ladens etc, wake up everyone and lets talk about what we will all do after this so called war thats coming, maybe you will still be here to bury your familys, and clean up all the mess you have made, and after that you might have children and they get lukemia or something due to all the radiation you have all helped spread around the world, who will be the winner those who die first or those who survive and are left with the job of survivng and cleaning up, now think is there any winners in this stupid war?.
You guys are funny. You’re also proof the West is in need of a colon cleanser.
WW3 will someday be widely recognized as the best thing to happen to the planet in a long time.
Haha your so foolish. Bin Laden’s family does have connections with Bush’s family, but his family is hugeeeeee. He is the outcast that fights even though he is rich. His half brothers and sisters have nothing to do with them, and support us actually.
very sad your comments. If you wanna start a war with russian you will lose it don’t fulmination with russian. They will nuke your ass off, russia are testing nuclear bombs behind the moon a long time ago if you would know what we have a powerful bombs, it’s incredible! your laser defence missile system are hopeless. FOR MOTHER RUSSIA !
dude above me is a joke.
US = porno industry + prostitution
+ drugs + wankers
in a recent survey , 89% of US men looked at porno regularly
44% went to prostitutes
and 96% wanked / masturbated regularly
23 % are obese
and i dont know about how many are drug addicts or child molesters?
US = FIFTH WORLD
I Laugh at the americunts
Marlo I completely agree with you …
Guys no doubt US is a big power. But country like Russia has started picking up again economically too. Militarily too I don’t think its very much behind US. Regardless Russia can do any harm to US or not.. its US which is distablizing the world as if they want to beat down Hitler. Who gave US the authority to murder thousands of innocent humans around the world… Check it out guys most of the disturbances in the world are being caused by some Americans directly or indirectly… because of themselves or allies benefits or to create market for their business and weapons be it middle east, gulf, south east asia, part of africa…..
Have you americans ever thought why so many people (I think i can safely say majority) in the world hates you all.. be it your friends , allies , non-allies or enemies….. I am not saying that Russians / chineese are saints. What I want to convey here is th8 beacuse of some crap americans all the Americans are getting defamed and insecure.. If some of these foolish americans are allowed to continue like this they might end up in becoming the major cause which might even distroy the whole world.
God save the world from these “some” arrogant and fools ….. the biggest terroirists world has ever seen….!
americans. look around. all countries live peacefully. only you rescue democracy in all the world. Russians not so poor, not all drunk, here isn’t always cold (no of the snow now) and nobody don’t thincing about nucler strike to USA. When we look your films on the one hand ridiculously with another it is terrifying: ridiculously because there you the strongest most clever and all other stupid and cripple…..but terrifying because on this rubbish growin people which hate russian…..thinking that to Iran and korea there is nothing to do then attac USA. Therefore let’s live peacefully because if will WW3 insignificant who now world police, who have what influence (THEHEWI)…….scientific had count that Russia and USA can destroy world 16 times(The globe will simply leave from an axis). The winner will not……..”vsem budet nu prosto polnij pizdec”……….sorry for my englis…….only learning
@ leo
dear me,
you need help let me tell you, the root of the problems lie in the US, imean really not only have you got a global allience but you also have a lot of enemires.WHY?….
1953 Korean war
1959-1975 vietnam war(and you were slapped by the viet cong)
1983 U.S. Invasion of Grenada
1991 Iraq
1995 you really helped out in the former Yougoslavia war
1998 U.S. bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan
1998 U.S. bombing of Iraq
2001 Afghanistan
2003 Afghanistan
and now planning on iran
that’s a lot, should I show you the one’s before the 1950s?
@ THE US OF A
FUNNY!!!!!
@THEHEWI
I live in Britian and I can see what your’e trying to say but why are all Britians so proud of there country to country steeling and pirate heritage.
The US Army today cannot event contemplate a conventional war, the loss of equipment and trained soldiers in Iraq & Afghanistan have left a huge toll on the US Military.
The loss of tanks, IFVs, APCs, Men, Missiles, Bombs.
If the US doesn’t stop playing this game where they think they can defeat anyone who opposes them, they’re going to start a war with someone who will knock them on their ass. Regardless of whether there is a limited nuclear exchange or not, the US will get its ass handed to them.
People are tired of their arrogance.
I apologize. My country sucks. We are greedy, proud, imperialistic, and stupid. The problems in the US with education, healthcare, and crime are devastating, yet all we do is point our finger at what everyone else is doing wrong. It’s discouraging. I’m considering moving to Canada or Europe, maybe even Iran.
I will agree, the US gets involved in foreign affairs too much. Yet, at the same time, when should a country with ability to end a terrible affair get involved?
America will wake up to our foreign policy problems and world image, it’s just a question when. Until then, I apologize for our arrogance and stupidity. It’s embarrassing to live here.
hello mr.fire in the sky,who said russia 3rd world,2020 russia 5th largest econamy and do you know,
tsar 50mt(that one 1961) TODAY tsar1?? hah hah haaaaaaa,.,.,/
if you are going to represent the US at least speak positivly or just show the flag of the country you care to move to because we dont need you here.
While the world is raving or criticizing about US deeds and misdeeds, there is one country who is slowly overtaking other nations step by step. It’s a same country which killed thounsands of students without any mercy, it’s a same country which invaded Tibet and allowed no media or any foreign investigation, it’s a same buddhist country which killed thousands of Tibetan monks. It’s none other than cunning and zooming economic “CHINA”. Have a look at below list:
China invaded directly or indirectly following nations:
1. Tibet
2. Hongkong (Autonomy)
3. Inner Mongolia
and the next target is Taiwan.
No country in past or present has invaded so many countries as China. It’s economy is on high boom and could possibly become world super power. So it’s high time people pay attention to China. Imagine a communist country being Superpower…!!Personally i feel China is the silent villain which is soon gonna be stronger than the US and perhaps leads the world to hell, nothing but hell.
@THEHEWI:NO COUNTRY HAS HAD A GREATER INFLUENCE ON THE WORLD AS GREAT BRITAIN - not even the Romans…
Dude I bet you dont know anything about history, because if I remember when in the Iberian Union (Portugal/Castille) time your British Empire was a sample of ours.
I am sad to see ONE of the greatest countries of all the world appear so negative to the rest of the globe. Please note (to the other countries) that not all of America is ignorant to the happinings in the world. So when you say ‘All Americans’ you are being ignorant yourself. I am very proud to be American, but I am not so proud of many of my fellow Americans, (namely ONLY THE BEST and ONLY THE FACTS) and for they can be very ignorant, hostile, rude, and very uneducated and they themselves are an exact image of the vicious names they are throwing around. Please don’t put down my country, for I would never dream of putting down any one elses country. Please excuse my fellow Americans for posting their terrible opinions as facts. I am very disappointed in (THE US OF A) for putting down Americans for stero typing that non-americans may see on their televisons. Almost all Stero types are very untruthful and those who preach them as true are just scared and insecure little people. I myself am very respectful of other cultures for i spend amounts of time learning about other countries and religions, and I also am learning various languages such as Russian and Spanish to better understand the world. Through all my learning I have found only one thing to be true through and through! We are all human! No matter what language we speak, what flag we wave, who we bow down to….. We are all human! A diss to any group is a diss to you, for in any group, there is someone just like you! It is sad that in this entire site, it takes a 16 year old from Montana to finally get people to retract their claws and talk sense.
Well I dont have nothing against the americans, I just don’t like they’r governments.
thank you ‘On Portugal’, I also agree with you about the government, I don’t understand why anything or organization on earth can have an exscuse to be 6 trillion dollars in debt
I think you all need a vacation, please come to Namibia and enjoy peace. It must be sad to have
a conversation/etc about war and who’s country is the best.
I would love to meet all your people from all the countries and enjoy a peacefull weekend. (In Namibia)
I like the US - Only one problem - Forget about the wars
Good advice: Do not spend Trilions of US$ on wars, try and spend it on your own people and
peace with other countries. Start with a list - try and make friends with your worst anemy.
Again I like the US and don not have a problem with any other country.
Russia - I admire you and your president.
All the way from a peacefull Namibia.
I am not english so their meight be lots af mistakes.
“le” said “I think its disgusting that anyone glorifies war” contrarily I think its disgusting when people do not understand that history repeats itself and to not take action against those who would make war is making war in itself? imagine if we would have jumped into WW2 early how many MILLIONS of people could have been save who were brutally raped, murdered, displaced, and burned, gassed, and dissected? as you said, we should enter an age of enlightenment right? well only a fool could argue that Albert Einstein was one of the most enlightened people the world has ever seen and even he saw this to be true. ALBERT EINSTEIN said ” the world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but those who do nothing about it”.
anyone who denies America is the most powerful country in the world (too many names to list on here) is a state of mind that can be nothing other than dementia. America is at the forefront of the world; medically, technologically, militarily, educationally, ect… I do not understand where the question is? how can you guys even argue that America is not the best country in the world. what makes it even worse is the people who live here in America who have no love for their country, say they support a political entity, or political party and then can even list what there party supports, and say how they are embarrassed to be American. the only thing that is embarrassing about this country is you. so… if you really hate this country that much, there are plenty of other places you can move to that would love to work you to death for $1 a day. you people have no concept of what a hard life is like, go visit places in Africa an tell them how are unhappy with being American, and while your at it, please trade places with them that way I don’t have to hear ignorant people speak about how bad this country is.
Anthropologically Cultural, war is not something glorious to be glorified. When Americans seek war and invade a weak third world country after making it suffer decades under a dictator, it doesn’t make them heroes like the World War 2 veterans. It makes them barbarians much like the Persian Empire under Xerxes or the Mongols under Gangez Khan. Both of them had strong self-righteous ideologies, a policy of coercing weak nations and a legacy of bloodlusty invasions to their name, much like Americans of today. If we applied the same international laws that were used in the Nuremberg trials, quite a lot of powerful American leaders would have been in the death row.
Concerning World War 2, it is quite disgusting of the United States to hate a nation like USSR so much that they funded a fascist dictator, Adolf Hitler to power in Germany. Truly the American foreign policy and business culture has no ethnics or any admirable human quality. I shudder to think if the Russians couldn’t crush the Nazis in the Battle of Stalingrad, today most of Europe would have been forcibly Germanified, courtesy the corporate Uncle Sam-National Socialist alliance. If it were not for the Nazi Axis, Japan would not have dreamt of attacking the United States with its World War 1 technology fighting force.
The overwhelming superiority of the American military force during World War 2 was pretty evident, by the way they were overwhelmingly engaged and kept busy by the Imperial Japanese Army. At about the same time, over 300000 of the elite among Japanese forces attempted a Pearl Harbour style invasion on Russian Siberia. In less than two weeks of their determined ‘Pearl harbour style” attack on Vladivostok, then ended up with 250000 men short and ran back to Manchuria with their tails between their legs. The results speak volmes more than any informed nationalist American rant could.
Regarding Albert Einstein, you are right. Only a fool would revoke the statements of such a brilliant intellectual mind. I am reminded of a thought provoking statement that Albert Einstein made in 1947 about United States, “I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime.” Now come on, put your foot in your mouth and say that Einstein was a fool for saying that.
The remainder of your essay-type comment appears to be similar rants of extreme nationalism that has as much facts as Grimm’s Fairytales. You seem to be under the illusion that the world is made up of two kinds of people - Americans and Africans where Americans exceling over Africans makes US the ‘best country’ in the world. If this extent of disillusion is not a sign of a mild case of dementia, I am at a loss to understand what else it is.
Am quite new to this blog and have read through all of your comments.
“Most” of us here I would say are well informed of the facts and happenings worldwide.
But lets face it:
“WAR IN ANY FORM IS DETESTABLE” and that includes modern wars.
I havent got anything against America but lets look at a certain set of facts:
Were we to assume that America is “Police of the World”:
Why hasnt Ameica played an enough role in Darfur??
Why hasnt the Gaza strip issue hasnt been resolved?
Are those burning images of Guantanamo Bay and those human massacres in
Iraq a piece of “World Police Action”?
Did we ever find our so much hyped WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
I would say America puts its leg only where there is Money to be made.
Thats true and it always has been.
If u entered IRAQ, it was because of OIL.
Believe it or not, the only Government Structure that hasnt survived major destruction in Iraq is the Oil Ministry.
Now for those of you people who valiantly are blindfolded that there is only one nation that has so called “Good Guys” could rather come out of ur lame notions:
Did u know that if the world is a hotter place to live in then it is because of u?
My neighbouring country (one named Bangladesh, which some of u wud look for some where in Africa) could have 1/3 of its total land washed away if America didnt
start of with an emission cut?
Your sub-prime crisis, a real innovative mechanism by some of your worl famous FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS has infact caused a global slowdown.
Did u know that while you pay hardly a miniscule rate of Interest for huge loans you make, the world outside your boudaries, even in country like mine pays around 15-20% interest. If u wonder how that is related, I would say that your dollar is sometimes published without any face value.
So lets leave the facts of which country is the best and which country has a really
good defence system and which has nukes that can maketh the other disappear from the face of the world.
The Recent FOOD crisis. Why didnt countries so well equipped to destroy each other
couldnt see this coming?? Its not always about radars and automatic weapons.
U CANNOT CALL IN AN AIR STRIKE FOR THIS!!!. Neither can ur weapons satisfy their hungry albeit they can eliminate it if thats what some of you want.
Sasha you’re in the United Kingdom honey, the UK has tried to dominate the world for centuries and were driven out of India by Ghandi who didn’t even fire one shot. England still has colonies all over the world. Sasha have you been to Vietnam lately? I have 3 times, I love it there, I’m an American and they are quite appreciative for what the U.S. did by taking a stand against communism and now we see Vietnam was a wonderful strong country with a strong open economy which is more and more capitalist with western stores but with Vietnamese culture. Vietnam and the U.S. are allies, samething with Japan, South Korea, Germany. I will bet you anything in 25 years Iraq will be a strong country with a strong economy with it’s own Shia/Sunni government. Sasha should worry more about radical Muslims taking over her country who openly say in front of mosques there “We will install Islamic Sharia law onto you!” As you can see in this video here of Muslims in Europe = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUoxbR9mwA
We know England is just mad they’re not a world super power anymore, so they can sit back and act like Oxford elitist snobs with their cocktail drinks in one hand and their noses pointed up in the air making fun of America.
In response to proAmerica
Living in United Kingdom for my education does not make me guilty of its past any more than visiting Germany would make you a Nazi. It is because of ignorant, arrogant and extreme nationalist people like you that I rejected the US universities, Harvard and Stanford.
By the way, a you have a few wrong notions and misconcepts in your above comment:
Sasha also India has the largest amount of people with HIV and Aids than any other country on earth. In 2006 UNAIDS estimated that there were 5.6 million people living with HIV in India, which indicated that there were more people with HIV in India than in any other country in the world. That does NOT come from the U.S., that’s your own problems. Work on it, don’t effect innocent people around the world with it. You did not move to US because you are a coward.
Well proAmerica, HIV and AIDs in India is not ‘our’ problem, it is theirs and those who afflicted them with it. Unlike Americans, we aren’t so desperate that we go to poor third world countries as sex tourists and spread AIDs. If you are so concerned about AIDs and HIV in India, try and do something about it instead of making snotty remarks and tall claims of ‘visiting’ countries that you know little about. That would be far more useful instead of your lame attempts to bash a Cambridge medico who volunteered in a medical aid trip to India on his own expenses. Cowards are people who troll around internet sites to make irrelevant nationalist insults against others, not people who braved a 43 C temperate and tropical diseases to aid poor humans from a third world country. I did not go to Harvard because of Americans like you who are too busy in their own xenophobia, greed and nationalism that they can’t spare a thought for things like humanity. If I was given a choice to live life as an American like you or as a pig, I’d choose a pig’s life.
People like proAmerica have nothing better to do but sit and bully others with their false sense of patriotism. Sasha, I am happy that you have such a deep respect for humanity but don’t let your humanity be clouded against Americans just because of people like proAmerica. People like this exist anywhere in the world but sadly we have the bigger share of them.
Due to repeated insults against comment authors, we have put proAmerica under moderation. All of his/her comments in this site contain inflammatory personal remarks directed at other comment authors’ countries or race. Since this is a site for discussing international politics rather than a platform for enhancing troll skills or boasting, we decided to take this step.
Alright, just to clarify this, what good are missles? Honestly, oo cool you bombed the hell out of a country with nukes, but that doesnt show true strength. Russia thinks they are bad because they have more nukes than the United States. 300,000,000 people > 144,000,000 anyday, no offence. And Mr England, i believe the US saved your ass in WW2, let alone WW1 as well. We didnt lose in Vietnam, there was no cause to fight. Why fight a war when no one believes in the cause anymore. The US realized that South Vietnam didnt want to fight for the cause anymore. See look at the Korean war, South Korea didnt want to fall to Communism, so they fought until they prevented it in their country, and did so.
Bottom line is, Nuclear Stockpiles doesnt determine the true power of a country.
@US protector -What will those 300,000,000 againts a nuclear bombs(controlled by men whoose count did not even reached 100) that are about to fall in front of their eyes? Besides those 300,000,000 includes those imigrants who were planning to bomb US as well. What’s the point of reminding how many American heads living in the US today? American didn’t loose the war? Stop reading western stuff and start reading stuff from the east.
This world spend decades living beneath a Damocles-sword.
The strange thing is that the fear of annihilation in a thermo-nuclear conflict may well have resulted in a certain amount of sanity, which always prevented the unthinkable from actually happening.
And now?
The weapons have not simply gone away…the Damocles-sword is still hanging above our heads.
The question is-
In how far is that strange sanity still there?
After reading through some of the posts here,I have to say that I’m left with a feeling of awakening from one nightmare only to discover that there seems to be another.
One doctrine guiding nuclear defense in the past was termed “Mutually Assured Destruction”.
It provided a very fitting acronym: “M-A-D”.
But that very concept kept the super-powers from going over the edge:
The simple realisation that any direct confrontation between the Soviet Union and the United States would result in the utter destruction of both was enough to shift their focus to playing god on the small scale instead, by way of proxy-wars such as the Vietnam-conflict.
Bad enough-but on balance still the lesser evil.
It seems to me that a truly horrifying obfuscation has taken place over the last few decades.
Otherwise it would be unthinkable that people think about those weapons in terms of “Mine-is-bigger- than-yours”:
That’s a train of thought which begins with the idea that “My country is more powerful,more important,more civilised than yours”.
Those who even remotely begin to believe that have no idea just how close they get to sitting in one boat with the Hitlers and the Pol Pots of this world:
The various dictators with genocidal tendencies which have graced human history with their hellish existance in the past were all united by precisely that kind of idea.
If present generations follow that kind of ignorance,we may one day well end up with the ultimate misconception:
Namely that a nuclear conflict is “winnable”-or even just the assumption that it might be “winnable” as long as it’s “survivable”…
According to the principle “…We can recover from it faster than you can-so we’ll still win”.
Now that would be plain hopping M-A-D…
I think this post is great and I have a good respect for it’s administrators. There is a lot of free information here and honest debate which is truly what Democracy is about.
With regards to the question ” Who has more power? Russia or the US?” The only way to look at this question without having all the facts is with true and questionable logic. We have to be honest as well in the best way we can without showing bias which is very dificult to do especially when most of us hold to one side.
The US and it’s small bunch of allies ( Israel, UK, Australia, Italy, France, Germany and please forgive me as I know not of many others ) have been fighting and invading nations for quite a few years now. Russia is a great nation and I’m sure would not be sitting idle. They have been preparing their military for years now and their army is known to be one of the best in the world. Their technology is also superior to most. I am sure if the US thought they had a chance they would have invaded by now. If the US didn’t lose in a fight with Russia then I can guarantee you that they would be left very weak and any nation with half the power would be able to walk in and take over anyway. The US has out-done itself and the aggression on free nations needs to stop. We are all good people and most of us want peace however we will all fight for our freedoms.
The irony of the fact that not a single country (let it be US or Russia) has been able to unite the world against terrorism strengthens my notion that piling up nuclear warheads is certainly not an indicator of how powerful the country is….Also, i gravely believe that today it is important for us to unite ourselves and fight againstthe deadly evil of terrorism….
This certainly is an interesting website, I just came across it. Now that Russia has invaded a democratic country and wants to removed an lawfully elected president. What should be done? Have the UN talk it to death, let Putin get away with it like Hitler did in Chech (1939) or stand up to Russia?
@ blackcat - Typical American reasoning, devoid of humanity, sense or plain logic. I guess the death of 1600 men, women or children in Ossetia means nothing to you, so long as it is done by your man. Saakashvili is as much the ‘elected president’ of Georgia as is Saddam Hussein is of Iraq. He came to power by displacing the actual elected president of Georgia in the 2003 Rose Revolution. Why the double standards? I am sure, if he was an enemy of US rather than an ally, he would have been a ‘facist dictator’ instead of a ‘democratic leader’. Apparently, democracy means nothing to an American other than a dictionary word to be used when Americans see fit. Scratch an American below their ‘politically correct’ facade and a facist savage, drunk in xenophobia emerges. It is as consistent and expected as ice in Antarctica.
@ Prasoon - The problem is, not every country agree unanimously on who should a terrorist be. According to Russia, the Chechen rebels are terrorists while Americans consider them as freedom fighters, even if they killed 63 primary schoolkids in Beslan. According to Americans, Nelson Mandela is a terrorist while the only act of terrorism he has done is protest and demand the rights for blacks in their own land, South Africa. ‘Terrorist’ is a very loose definition used by governments to vilify their enemies and glorify their allies.The common man is stuck between these definitions, losing their lives and loved ones in the attacks.
What does the populace of Russia and their way of life whether 1st world 3rd world or whatever have anything at all to do with the fact that Russia is, has been and will remain a superpower. In the event of a nuclear holocaust America will become a glass field of toasted radiation chunks. China and Russia are both sick and tired of America trying to take and control the worlds energy reserves. It’s arogant bastards like Bush that are going to kill us all. Suddam like Bin Ladden are CIA operative scapegoats to purpetuate the war machine and keep American economy strong. The weaker it gets the more war it creates. The world has had enough of being bullied around. Russia is saying to US, shut up, we have had enough. Bush says Russia should pull back the fact is if America does not pull out of the middle east as we are warned to do it is over for us. Americans, with their cell phones, texting, and sports are completely in the dark about the stupidity of Washington DC. Britian has plans for Russia China and America to nuke each other so the EU can become the worlds new superpower, it is written and it is happening. The UK has now the worlds most powerful scalar weapon known, the Pluto array in cyprus. It’s named Pluto for a reason, god of hell, now man will bring fire down from the heavens to consume mankind. All this arguing is pointless, and American pride is foolishness and ww3 is NOW.
Hi Steve, maybe you’re right but I think that’s kind of pessimistic POV. Personally I think I will live to see my grandchildren and they can probably expect an easier life growing up than I had, just like it was with me and my parents, and them and theirs before that. As far as America goes, they do goof up a lot but I can’t think of another superpower I’d rather live next door to.
Maybe I am just optimistic though. I do feel awfully lucky to be Canadian in this crazy world of ours.
@Steve
you are right about WW3 if it’s not happening now it’s gonna happen sooner or later WW3 is inevertable, and I think the war on terror might just spark WW3.
it’s people like bush who are trying to control the world and keeping weaker countries under a leash and in doing so they are making more and more enemies.
George Bush is the greatest disaster in human history to date..he went to geogia and promised heaven and earth …forgetting that the Russians have a stake in what happens in their backyard…What would the USA do if the RUSSIANS encouraged TEXAS and CALIFONIA to declare independance and go back to mexico?remember the us purchased these states from mexico in the 19th century for peanuts….and by the way RUSSIAS technology is far better than us in space,in aviation, in the sea…why do you think the space shuttle has more disasters than any program in space? Remember we are not sure if the USA moon landing was real or produced somewhere in a studio in Holywood
Hi. I’m a communication professional who’s been studying misdirection in media for 12 years and I must say the U.S. excels in that department.
Communications is their strong sector, possibly the best at it as well as their production of encrypted messages embedded in mass media messages (or should I say “advertisements”). Sadly I believe that their government’s arrogance has aggravated the way, pushing media to become the biggest Intel strategy they have launched, which has divided their country intro 2 main classes (and i’m not talking about socioeconomic classes):
Leaders and Followers… with the scattered section of nonbelievers (in their government imperialism crap) and theorists that sadden every day for the way their country has developed in this last 40 or 50 years… or more who knows, at least at a massive global scale.
After reading all of the posts in this great blog I stumbled by mistake (nothing is a mistake really, nothing is by chance), I was able to view the fact that international views vs. U.S. views are widely different. US views seem brainwashed (not all off course) by media depictions of conflicts and events. In fact i will reassure the fact that it’s their biggest Intel Op is that of brainwashing. If you want to know lies, watch US press. That’s the only thing I’ve learned from studying it. By studying lies you can learn to understand better the truth behind conflicts and international events… or national.
It is not so far fetched to think of a Bush Administration, in allience with “Big Ass” corporations to destroy a petty building (I know it was huge… but in comparison to bombing countries it’s petty)… in order to give itself a reason to invade zones and make deals that are frightening to human life).
Interesting enough I’d like to recall a nice embedded message found on a holliwood movie called Swordfish. The version I saw was the premier version, where the main terrorist results to be Blah Blah Bin Laden, they later changed it and redistributed using the DVD window. But the theater window version was loyal to the production. It had many … not equal but similar… images that were later seen again on international TV on 9/11. Even nicer that the movie mentions misdirection quite a few times.
Movies and News in US that not only stay there but go international have brainwashing sensitizing (or desensitizing) content to allow them to take later shots and still have the country feeling proud of their international work.
All countries are corporate governments, meaning all governments find collaboration, and coercion of corporations, melting intro national interests, some corrupt, some not, very few 100% legit. Corporations have a say on national security for every nation, and governments have a say on the outcome of that interests. Interests come from the need of … let’s say… stuff. One nation needs all of the oil, the other’s got it… let’s bomb.
One has land and influence… and oil of course… let’s retaliate. Why? … because industry is what keeps the activity mechanism awake. It produces money and keeps changing everything.
Ancient Mayas, as well as Aztecs, and before them Toltecs, used cacao as their currency. If you think of it, it’s quite interesting the fact that you can grow your currency. Meaning that your first cacao bean (or your first buck) may be the only investment you must make to live a life without poverty. A perfect system. But we do not have a perfect system, so greed pushes further than nature or equality.
Did you know that there are innumerable tests that show Antidepressants in the water in various states in the US. It’s not hard to believe taking in fact the enormous research on psychedelic and psychotropic research humanity has made over our existence as a species. Softening the brain is step #1 into brainwashing.
People there, and everywhere else must obtain consciousness of themselves and their environment in order to exchange this limited Operating System they are living.
Their military is advanced specially because of the loyalty they obtain from soldiers. But in brainwashing is desensitizing, and sensibility is a mayor factor in good character development. Reason why most military excersises are unsuccesfull and messy… it only proves in what i believe is a scientific demonstration that even though lesser evolved personalities rule thru oppression, oppression can only happen at the personal level. Oppression is a state of mind one accepts or rejects. Reality is as well.
I hope conflict doesn’t prevail in our mind in order to change the world actively. Nothing is passive really, but not everything we do is active either. Making it active makes us think. And thinking we obtain more than pushing.
Hope to get some comments and I expect no aggression was made by simple observations that mean well.
Regards
Ragno
I just skimmed through alot of this debate, and I wanted to apologize on behalf of many of my fellow American’s posting here, not all of us are sheeple.
I agree that the US (and other well-developed countries) should be held to higher standards than others but some of the fringe theories are just ridiculous. Sure, media corporations a la Coca Cola et al do engage in brainwashing (or whatever marketing term they give it), but the US government? I’m sure there’s a department in the CIA or DIA who would love to say they run a similar program but c’mon, that’s giving them more credit than they could give themselves.
Regarding Georgia, yeah it’s a crummy situation. Frankly I blame Georgia’s president for this mess.
Anti-depressants in the water, faked moon landing…. yeah, sure guys. Universities are probably the biggest hotbeds of anti-establishment and if they say the fractional ppm of anti-depressants’ chemicals is insignificant then I’ll believe them. I studied chemistry and know enough to say the reports aren’t voodoo. Is there anyone in the academic community that can back up the faked moon landings rumour? Preferably a scientist - there’s plenty of PhDs in journalism and communications who advance their nutty conclusions on nothing more than the strength of their prose.
What conspiracy theory is going to come up next? The world’s leaders are lizard people from the star Sirius?
The US does do a lot of self-serving things that aren’t in the best interests of the rest of the world and the environment. But they show a lot of restraint. Their democracy isn’t perfect but everyone everywhere is still working on fine tuning that political system. I’d be more worried about Russia, China or most any other country being the world’s dominant power.
Hahah, maybe I spoke too soon:
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grow up all of you, wars are obselete because of technological developments, if the arsenals of the major nations were unleashed in a major war it would mean the end of life on earth, period, in fact there are studies that prove nuclear war even on a limited scale would be enough to dislodge the planet earth from it’s axis and send us all spinning towards the sun at a rate you wouldn’t want to even hear mentioned …
the emphasis of mankind should be focused on nuclear disarmament, simply because from here on in, and this is bad news to all you sad bastards who never did a day’s military service in your life but get off on hearing about big bombs, there will be no wars … only limited actions, posturing, local incursions, UN missions, rebellions within states, diplomacy etc … a war in the true sense of the word would mean the end of life on this planet … we’re stupid but not that stupid … there won’t be a war … get over it …
I know that the US likes to stick its head into other nations business, but our intentions are to promote peace and democracy. If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people. Iraq may not be perfect, but at least they have a preliminary parlimentary government in place, where the people can vote. They even won a medal at the Olympics, kids are going to school, women have rights. I don’t care who you are, but if you want to live in a society where your “leader” denies you life and liberty, go live in a totalitarian or communistic society where you dont own anything, the government does. I own a business, a house, wife and kids, and am completely free from tyranny. Albeit the US comes across as controlling and imperialistic at times, but they have the best interests of world peace at heart, even if it doesnt seem like it. If we don’t take this route of foreign policy, empires like the Soviet Union would have ruled the entire planet, then we would see who the bad guys really are.
It seems to me this whole disscusion is not about understanding our fundamental diffrences with others. None of us can predict the future. My opinion, there will be no war anytime soon.
Looks like everyone is stalemated in a complicated issue. The facts involved are yet more complicated than anyone’s issues so far. Fact is that Russia at this time is one of the richest countries in the world.With an economy in liquidity far off of that of any allied country. B.P (British Petroleum) and shell are actually fighting over unexploited oil and / or gas reserves in Russia. Fact is they have the money to buy technologies. Fact is the Russian army was actually cloaking in Georgia. Posing as environment and appearing somewhere else. Their army is NOT the ww2 army style, (tactics and most technologies), found in Iraq. The U.S in the other hand is also very technological advanced. Including the pathetic tactics and other strategics used in the past. However, I most point that while u.s has very little holds for secrecy (10 years), Russia secrets are usually hold well over 30 yrs. That’s why we dont see what they hit us with. With new rocket tech, in developments in Russia, and opposed here. Soon we will be far behind once more. And forget stealth. Russia had it before U.S.,and the Germans too. Yes, Hitler had stealth jets that did flew and spied at least. But their trend is to reduce the stock pile. Because of the nick name of the nuke stock piles A.K.A , A.M.D (Assured Mutual destruction). even if some survive, the water, and food will be contaminated 1,000’s of times more than in Japan’s bombs days. Therefore,it would be a conventional war. And one both countries will regret. As on will have to totally rebuild the other. For decades, that’s why they talk,but don’t shoot. If one want to attack another factions, they usually negotiate. And they inform each other of who and where they will attack. Therefore, the allies knew Russia would attack and allowed it. The rest is all the sensationalist press. They even cover the facts that Georgia was sending snipers to kill families and clean up and move in people from Georgia into the area to regain control of Ossea.. they not into winning a war for land. Both countries are into sharing the world economies. Why allies allowed Russia into Georgia? Ask U.k. the British markets are actually the biggest in the world. And British petroleum and shell don’t want to be fully withdrawn from Russian resources. And other stocks magnates. The rest anyone can figure it. I hope i been of assistance. And the Georgia snipers incident were from B.B.C broadcast sys. and Russ. news. Other sources were C.I.A. and other intelligence communities.
@ Proud —-“I know that the US likes to stick its head into other nations business, but our intentions are to promote peace and democracy.”
Promoting peace and democracy account for 30% of your noble intentions.
The rich oil reserve and strategic superiority of Iraq are what really bring Americans there.
Why not invade North Korea and bring peace and democracy there? You don’t do that, because to invade North Korea is not an easy task. You won’t do that, because North Korea is a sterile land not worth that much investment.
@Proud—-“If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people.”
If you hadn’t invaded Iraq, millions of innocent civilians would never have died, which means both Saddam Hussein and America are in a sense murderers. There’s nothing to be proud of.
@ Proud—-“They even won a medal at the Olympics, kids are going to school, women have rights.”
Without invasion of America, Iraq would not have been able to win a medal at Olympics. Oh, really informative. Go to invade the medal-less countries, help them gain medals.
Nothing can justify the invasion of a sovereign country.
The slogan of promoting peace and democracy can never gloss over Americans’ bloody deeds in Iraq.
@ Proud
“If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people. Iraq may not be perfect,
but at least they have a preliminary parlimentary government in place, where the people can vote”
Why can’t you do the same in Saudi Arabia??? You wont do it because you have your puppets ruling
that country. The U.S also supported a dictator in Pakistan for 9 years because he did not act against
their interest. Saddam Hussain got all support from the Americans during the Iran-Iraq war and Iraq was
flooded with American weapons (even chemical weapons) that time. Though he was a dictator, the
Americans did not see him so. But when he was not willing to comply towards American interests,
suddenly he was seen as a cruel dictator and hence Iraq was invaded by the U.S. Infact Iraq was
more peaceful and liberal (when compared with other Gulf countries) under Saddam Hussain, though
he may have commited some mistakes.
@ Proud
“I know that the US likes to stick its head into other nations business, but our intentions are to promote peace
and democracy. If we hadnt invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be murdering millions of people”
Your Military has killed almost 3 million Iraqis in the name of promoting peace and democracy!
Not satisfied with that, the U.S has started its ugly tactics in Georgia by supporting the latter to provoke against
the Russians that led to another war and we have seen many civilians being killed there. The Europe is again divided
by the U.S and the world is already in the brink of another cold war. Its better that the U.S mind its own
business rather than promoting peace and democracy. The world would have been much more safer had Soviet Union
existed today.
So now the US is to blame for Georgia too? I can see the US being blamed for Iraq - it was a stupid war and managed badly from the start - but to blame the US for the coloured revolutions of the old Soviet satellites is ridiculous. If Georgia had been in cahoots with the US their dumb president wouldn’t have invaded S.O. during the Olympics, and the US and NATO would have at least been prepared to make statements to the media. Instead Georgia picked a fight it couldn’t win and now the world has to watch Russia disassemble the country. Saying the US is responsible for the mess in Georgia just hurts the credibility of the rest of your argument.
I was reading all what people have to say up here,and it catches my eye that soem people still think that America is the only powerful country in the world.Some say that “these third world countries”……It does not matter if you are a Erd world country or a first world country!If they have the powerful weapons to do damage it wouldn’t matter.Actually,1st world countries have more to lose than 3rd w.countries.There is only one country to blamed for all this mess,you know,it is our country USA.We speak about democracy but we love war;and……………Russia is a very powwerful country and there is no doubt America has feared the Russians for decades,that’s why the US would rather have a COLD WAR with RUSSIA than a real war!!!!
The U.S has trained the Georgian army and had delivered the latest arms
to them. The American Government did not condemn Georgia for its
attack on the South Ossetian civilians but were quick to issue statements
against the Russian retaliation.
Vinod,
It was Georgia’s idea to take on Russia, so now they deal with the Russian response. The reason the US reprimanded Russia was because their response was with excessive and overwhelming force, hurting innocent civilians, not to mention they were probably a bit spooked over international war.
The U.S showed ite double standards when it say that the territorial integrity of
Georgia must be respected but they did everything to recognize the independence
of Kosovo from Serbia inspite of the latter’s opposition. Everyone knows that
Serbia is an ally of Russia and so it is natural for the West and the U.S to recognize
the breakaway province of the Serbians but when the U.S ally (Georgia) face the
same situation, the U.S and West talk about territorial integrity of Georgia!!!!! I think
they are completely biased on the whole issue.
Friends it really hard to comment on situation like Georgia Russia war. Georgia tried to capture the land of South Ossetia. I don’t think West should interfere in such issues. Taking care of human life is a completely different issue. If such a case arise UN should ask formally. I don’t know what everybody mean by world community? Is it US and allies? It looks more like that. I think the way US think is very Narrow restricted to their advantage and always want to keep themselves on a safe side. If US and allies invades any country that is war against terrorism and if any other country does that its invasion. GR8.
The U.S. isn’t justified in reprimanding Russia because of its actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Without a tacit nod of encouragement from the West, in particular the United States, this mess wouldn’t have started in the first place. Why must the U.S. train not an ally, but an anti-Moscow regime so close to Russia’s borders? Why must the U.S. insist that Russia be blamed for this mess, when it was Georgia that started it? Why the push to admit Georgia into NATO even after the promise made to the Soviet leadership that NATO will not expand eastward.
I’ll clarify my position. With numerous recorded war crimes and crimes against humanity, the United States is the last country to have any moral credibility to reprimand another nation that (A) warned the Georgian leadership against such an action with a guarantee of retaliation; (B) went to the U.N. Security Council for an emergency session to ask for intervention; (C) after exhausting available diplomatic options, reacted the way it said it would react.
It is hypocritical of the U.S. lame-duck-ship to condemn Russian actions when it is itself guilty of such actions — Iraq and Afghanistan, in recent history — in Serbia, and the unilateral and very illegal recognition of Kosovo.
Regardless of the imaginations of members of the Bush regime, it actually does take two to tango.
Russia instigated the Georgian conflict. They granted passports en mass to disaffected people living in Georgia. They supplied the S.O. militias and let them operate freely, which is certainly not comparable to helping train the official army of a nation. The Russian “peacekeepers” did nothing to stop the harassment and ethnic cleansing of pro-Georgians in the troubled regions. Russia was setting up the situation so its absorption of the enclaves would eventually be inevitable. When Georgia attacked and tried to take S.O.’s capital (something which nobody wanted or supported) the Russian response was disproportionate and shattered the country.
Why should the West be concerned? The elephant in the parlour is Europe’s energy needs. A planned pipeline was to run through Georgia which would have bypassed Russia and their oil/gas blackmailing. Now Russia has Europe by the short-hairs and its neighbours-slash-former-slave-states are terrified.
I’m sure Russia would be happy to hear they have your full support. Depending on where you live they might even give you a passport.
Russians attacked Georgia because 2000 civilians (Russians) and 20 Russian
peace keepers were killed by the Georgian army (Trained by the Americans)
in S.Ossetia. The Americans invaded Iraq (saying that Saddam Hussain murdered Shias),
killed millions of civilians and hanged their dictator. They have nothing to do with
the internal affairs of another country but still they interfeared and made it a hell.
Imagine if the U.S citizens or peace keepers were killed by another country (even if it’s a soverign/democratic state), like what the Georgians did against Russians !! The world would have even seen another nuclear attack by the Americans against that soverign state.
Vinod, you are from India? And your country has border disputes with China? How would you feel if China started granting passports to everyone who wanted one in the northeast? Then supported revolutionaries, and when India tried to crack down invaded to protect their “citizens”?
There is no evidence that 2000 people were killed. Nobody is giving that figure except Russia.
Go ahead and keep bringing up America and Iraq. I’m not American and neither is the majority of the world outraged by Russia’s invasion and imminent annexation of Georgian territory. You seem to hate America so much you’re happy to see other parts of the world suffer in its place.
Moral equivalency is the last resort of those who engage in or promote what cannot be justified.
Canuck, First of all I don’t hate America but the foreign policies of American Government. We don’t have Chinese speaking citizens living in India and so your comparison on that note is not acceptable. S.Ossetia has 80% of its population who speak Russian and there was a referendum conducted in S.Ossetia before 2 years and the majority voted for independence. But Georgia/U.S and its allies did not accept the verdict, which was unfair and the Russians utilized the opportunity and
started giving passports the Russian speaking citizens. When the S.Ossetians have no problem in accepting Russian passport there is no need for others to keep commenting on that issue. Nobody knows what is happening in S.Ossetia because there is no Western media coverage there (as they are completely biased) and hence we have to accept what the Russians say
regarding the death toll. What we see from some Western news channels is that of Georgians cursing the Russians but nothing is shown from the other side (S.Ossetians views).
How about Pakistan granting mass passports to Kashmir residents and then using India’s excessive response to recent demonstrations as a reason to invade? But that isn’t really plausible either, because Pakistan couldn’t do anything like that. It would more likely be the reverse, given India’s size advantage. Perhaps I can understand your indifference to Georgia’s plight.
S.O.’s referendum wasn’t recognized because they held it after displacing the ethnic Georgians. You say “US and its allies” didn’t recognize it but we’re talking about the whole world community, including your own country.
I agree that it is complicated and I’m in no way saying Georgia is in the right in the whole situation. After the Soviet Union fell there were lots of 1st and 2nd generation ethnic Russians scattered outside its borders. In the Ukraine and Baltic states they constitute large portions of the population. When the newly freed republics started to exert their own identity it led to disenfranchisement amongst the Russians. In some cases it may have gone too far, obviously in Georgia’s case by denying S.O.’s and other enclave’s linguistic rights, among other less visible discrimination like skimping in development and services.
But the problem is this is a new situation in modern history - the conquering empire (Soviet Union) collapsed and many Russians suddenly became expatriates. Areas in the new republics that have ethnic Russians yearning for rule from Moscow have two choices: leave behind the place they were born and start over in another country or try to redraw the borders. Many people will naturally choose the latter option, if they think it will work. It’s the same with separatists movements all over the world.
The problem here is Russia allegedly had a hand in helping the Georgian separatists. Russia is unhappy with Georgia for a number of reasons that would be too long to get into. So after a round of fighting in the 1990s they moved uninvited into the enclaves to act as peacekeepers. Once in, they refused to facilitate an UN peacekeeping force - keeping themselves in control.
Georgia claims they supplied the rebels with all the Russian equipment they use. That can’t be proven because they could buy it all on the black market, though one would wonder with what money since they live off Russian subsidies. What is known is that the Russian peacekeepers never stopped the rebels from shelling and sniping nearby Georgian villages and Moscow granted Russian passports to all the residents.
Georgia got sick of the sniping and their president made a fatal calculation. He decided to try and take the S.O. capital while everyone was busy with the Olympics, using the rebel attacks as an excuse. He assumed the European investment in a pipeline, and especially the US interest in getting Georgia into NATO, would keep Russia from retaliating. He probably assumed Russia wouldn’t do anything in the first place.
We all know what happened then. Russia came in and trounced Georgia. At first everyone thought they were going to limit it to securing S.O. Nobody, including the US, minded. How could they expect otherwise? Unlike the Georgian president everyone knew it wouldn’t work. Even after securing the enclaves, Russia kept bombing Georgia. They said they were destroying the military infrastructure so Georgia would quit fighting. But Georgia had already quit fighting and was suing for peace. Russia ignored it and moved into Georgia, occupying towns and large parts of the country. Then Russia started destroying the economic infrastructure, stuff that can’t be said to be military targets - power stations, government buildings, schools, roads, etc. And they helped expel the remaining Georgians living in S.O. And they set up checkpoints refusing their return. And they’ve told the enclaves that they can expect to be absorbed into Russia within the next few years.
The problem is this isn’t the way peacekeeping is supposed to work. You’re not supposed to covertly enlarge your borders the way Russia is. Hitler did this exact - literally, exact - same thing to Poland and Czechoslovakia. He had a historic justification too - even better than Russia’s. It didn’t work out well.
Because the US was grooming Georgia for NATO, there’s a lot of people on this forum and in the Kremlin that are trying to blame Washington. But they are wrong. Although there are similarities, Kosovo is not a direct parallel. I’d be happy to talk about the history there too. But regardless, moral equivalency - saying the US or someone else did it so it’s okay for Russia - is not a valid defence.
And G.Vinod, you are very wrong about Western media. Even a casual reader of Western news will always hear all sides of a story. Even Foxnews, however flawed and dismissive they can be, present more sides of the story than the Russian media. Everyone in Europe and North America is constantly hearing both sides, with Russia’s tirades always getting front page news and analysis. In contrast it is in Russia where media outlets are shut down if they don’t adhere to the Kremlin’s rules. Your own country too tried to shut down Rediff news for their investigative reporting. The West’s media isn’t perfect but it’s the freest and offers the most balanced coverage.
(Sorry for the long post! We can talk about Kosovo another time.)
Canuck, Russians repeat the same thing in Georgia as what the U.S and NATO did in Yugoslovia a decade ago. Russians have again emerged as a strong power under the leadership of Mr.Putin but the U.S and NATO
have always suspected the Russian intensions. Today there is a large naval buildup by the U.S and NATO in the Black Sea which is only makingthe situation worse. Humanitarian aids are distributed to Georgia by U.S/NATO naval vessels that carry cruise missiles!!! Russians say that military equipments are delivered to Georgia along with Humanitarian aids.The planned missile defence shield by the U.S in Poland at this juncture, which the Russians bitterly oppose, is not going to improve the situation either.Even today the Americans talk about Soviet’s invasion on Poland and Czech
(Even Ms.Rice was referring it in a press meet in Georgia) which happened 4 decades ago. But when we talk about U.S/NATO invasion on Iraq nobody in the
West likes it. The Soviet’s were assured by the west/U.S that the NATO will not be expanded towards east and hence the German wall was brought down making way for the unification of Germany. But what we saw in the past 15 years was that all the Baltic States, Poland, Czech, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria have been admitted into NATO!! Again the U.S wants to bring Georgia, Ukraine,Moldova into NATO, there is every reason for the Russians to act this way. The
Russians feel that they are surrounded by enemies and they are taking counter measures now.
I don’t agree with your analysis of the US’s actions but even if they are correct they don’t excuse Russia’s imitation of Nazi Germany by using ethnicity to annex and absorb another country’s territory. Kosovo is independent, currently administered by the UN, and has a completely different history (I’ll do a comparison later). S.O. is about to become Russian territory. It’s a shame you are so fixated on America that you don’t give a rat’s butt about Georgia. All you do is defend Russia and say they are simply imitating the US. So I assume when the US does something like this you will defend them too and bring up Russia’s current activities. Let’s make this clear - no matter who does it, it’s wrong. Can you put aside your bias against the US for a minute and acknowledge that what Russia is doing is wrong?
I don’t have to defend the Russians and it’s not my job either. I have highlighted the
root cause of the present problems in S.Ossetia (i.e NATO expansion towards east)
and what is your response for that??? If you have an answer then make it directly.
The crises is not going to end here and the next target may be Cremia (Ukraine).
Please don’t talk about the stupid U.N. What was the U.N doing when Iraq was
attacked??? Did America had U.N approval to attack Iraq??? The answer is NO!!!
If you don’t agree with my views it’s fine but I can also say that you are biased
against the Russians and it’s a shame on you too for defending the U.S and
NATO because we all know how the prisoners of war are being treated in
Abu Gharib prison by them. We even doubt whether they (U.S Military and NATO)
are civilised when taking note of that issue.
Again I wonder why you keep bringing up America’s misadventures when we are talking about Russia and Georgia. I am free to criticize the US’s ‘war on terror’ just as much as I am free to criticize Russia’s actions in Georgia. You may be right that Russia overreacted because the US is trying to get the surrounding republics into NATO. There’s a big debate about that and most governments and academics don’t think it’s a good idea because it will raise tensions with Russia (and they were right). It is Bush’s pet project and probably won’t last past his presidency. These factors might explain Russia’s actions but they don’t excuse Russia’s actions. It’s not being biased to say so.
I don’t support civilians being killed and a soverign state being occupied in the name of war.
If a soverign country is attacked and captured by the big powers (Be it Russians or Americans)
then it should be opposed in every possible way. It’s sad that many civilians were killed in
Georgia due to this unwanted war but I feel that the Georgian Government could have acted
with sense by not provoking the Russians.
I think we can agree that the Georgian president is a fool. His invasion of S.O. was a bad idea, with bad timing and badly planned. But it’s not just that he is stupid - he is repressive against differences of opinion in Georgia and he says very blunt and threatening things to people and groups who are weaker than him. The Georgian opposition accuses him and his inner circle of being responsible for several murders and he stifles criticism in the Georgian media. I don’t think Saakashvili is a model leader for a democracy. But since he just won an election less than a year ago I guess Georgia is stuck with him for a while.
Hey guys, very intrigueing discussion going on here. What does everyone think about the recent flexing of military might on behalf of the kremlin? Oh by the way, not all americans are completely cocky and illiterate. In my personal opinion I think we should drop all foreign policy and close our borders. At that point we go nuetral and say oreuva everyone else. Cause really, what business is it for us to tell different cultures how to think or what is right or wrong because doesn’t that simply come down to paradigms and social schemas? The nations of our current world have all come up into their own with their certain idealogy and an infant (in comparison) like the U.S. has no right to impose on those legacy’s.
Dan: I don’t think the US could turn isolationist without killing its economy. I’m sure a lot of people would like to see the US vacate the Middle-East but that’s unlikely to happen so long as the world continues to run on oil. Not to mention Israel, which is apparently a very large concern for the 25% of American voters who are evangelical Christians. I can sympathize with you though, I’d love to see Canada covered by some kind of force field.
Regarding the Kremlin’s muscle-flexing, I think they’ve identified the narrow window of opportunity they have between the high energy prices and their shrinking population and they’re trying to take advantage of it (a situation one of my professors says Iran is in as well). The politicos and apparatchiks running the show all came of age during the Soviet Union and they’re not quite up to speed with international diplomacy and global markets. I believe Russia will make some short-term gains but may suffer in the long run. Or maybe not. Putin is a smart guy and he plays the Machiavellian game with the best of them.
I think that you have being saying in one way or another may or may not be true. America is a power and Russian is also a power but the difference is who is willing to fire first and how will the enemy react. I think if a nuke war started America will lose not because they don’t have the technology but because they will use the so called 5th or 6th generation system that are good on paper but can not perform. For example You can not compare an F-22 Raptor to the Mig 35 or Su-29, Russian jets are not built for show but to delivery the intended results. America on the other hand builds weapons for show they are too good on paper but when put to a real set they can not perform. Lets just hope that neither me nor you will leave to see the day when our beloved world will play host to the greatest weapons test of all times.
economic threat and meltdown is a bigger worry than military threat. Could that day be closer when Americans would just starve to death rather than being attacked by another attack. That would be a nightmarish scenario for Americans but many will and would be celebrating around the world.
That’s why Western countries subsidize their farmers and heavily tax food imports. If a country doesn’t have the strategic ability to feed itself it is at the mercy of food exporting countries. The US is one of the largest food exporters in the world and its subsidies keep American farmers from converting their grains to cash crops. There’s no risk of America starving in the near future but the same can’t be said for many other countries.
I see that everyone has been focusing in economics and military power. A superpower status is gained by influence over other nations. A lot of countries do enjoy superpower status to an extend. Language is the primary influence, when the other states attempt to introduce, words or do business in the superpowers language. According the the United Nations (World Bank), which administer finances for R&D on the entire globe, including loans etc. to all countries, the two main business languages of business on the entire world are Spanish and Chinese. English is below 7th. And anyone thinking its wrong must understand that when you travel on business , you usually go to neighborhoods where your language is in use. So people seeing it believe (stereotyping) that their language dominates earth. I personally done this for years, but I never stereotyped it. In a war the 3 countries, China, Russia and United States are capable of surviving over 30 days. The 3 have big armies. But Russia tends to hide their developments for 30 yrs or more. And the 3 have great achievements in rocket tech. With Russia extremely advanced over the other 2 nations. No clear winner would come out of a nuke strike. The 3 states know the fall out would affect them and kill them dramatically. Therefore, don’t expect any nuclear show anytime soon. WW3? no one can tell. But, the 3 nations are capable of eliminating 2/3’s of the world population overnight. Just nuking themselves would do the trick. Horrible.
United States is the superpower of the world today, Russia has a booming economy, China has a great population and has the economy to back it up, Brazil and the European Union are also countries or continents that are in economic growth. The worry is if Russia and China forge an allience and decide to take over other smaller countries in the area, and you know the United States they wont be able to keep their guns out. Russia may have nuclear missles but what use is that amount of numbers you are not bombing the sun, anyway the United States while retaliate with just as much force. The thing America has to stop doing is showing of their equipment because countries like China and Russia will be observing. the other thing is America needs to produce more equipment like tech because if China and Russia forge an alliense they will have the numbers. Unless United states forges an allience with India then you will have the numbers.
@ Spooky
Superpower? What superpower? Is that why Murdoch owns 100% of Aussie media, to teach WASPs that America is a “superpower of the world”? Wake up buddy, the concept of ’superpower’ died years ago.
What Happens when CHina ask America to start paying off the money that it owes to Chinese, credit crunch, house-value decline, weakend dollar. If an average American finds gallon of milk cost now $5 as it used to cost $1.80 just only 3 years ago. Small things can make big difference when collectively put together. Bush administartion policies are not good but plain stupid. Now we are seeing a bigger group of foreign countries wotking together in economical, financial and military sectors. Never has been seen before that RUSSIANS, CHINESE, CUBA, VENEZULA and MIDDLE EAST working so closely together. In order to start a war you need three things in importance:
1. Money (CHINA)
2. Machines (RUSSIA)
3. MEN (MIDDLE EAST)
if you combine these three factors you can have a army from 3-400 million people with Russian weapons (if not sophistacted as US but equally effectful).
Many in America still think that GERMANS, FRENCH and JAPANESE are US allies. How naive people can be?. I will tell you this Japan will only send two planes to attack America (Hiroshima and Nagasaki). GERMANS AND ITALIANS remember lot of innocent civilans in their countries were killed by US planes. They havent forgotten it. People can have bad short term memory but long term memory can work to its best of use in wake of tragedy. What are the chances that these countries (FRANCE, GERMANY and JAPANESE) will be US allies once they see armies (RUSSIA, CHINA and MIDDLE EAST)?
ISrael may be the only country that will be ready to help US. But even they will feel scared as they know this is a war US cant win.
NOONE (and I mean no single country) is willingly wants to help US in its trouble times (economically and military).
On education front(SCIENCE, MEDICAL) US teenagers are no match for ASIAN kindergartenkids.
People say Britain may came to rescue but British are know to work with those who they dont fee threatened. It was like if you have to find a British, look for in AMERICAN BALLS. Britain is an AMERICAN DOG, but is AMERICA ready to be CHINESE BITCH?
Nitin, that is just silly. You can’t dismiss the idea of Western democracies allying together but present an alliance between Russia, China and the Middle East as possible, let alone plausible. You are correct that France and Germany have good historical memories (I wouldn’t say the same about Japan due to their selective amnesia regarding WW2), and I think their histories would make them fear a dominant Russia more than a dominant US.
In any case, both the US and Russia are not countries to mess with. They each have enough nukes to destroy humanity a few times over. I think if either of them faced certain defeat they would roll the dice and gamble with the fate of the world.
in regards to countries all countries above is no better than the u.s. we all had leaders that gave the country a bad name. Russia couldn’t defend itself from from indians with bows and arrows. The only reason they are a G8 nations is because of thier nuclear weapons that were made in the 40 and 50,s.Thier navy ships are made out of Legos and thier guns are made of playdo. Last thing i remember of war that russia fought was against afghanistan they beat the russians with straws and spitballs,and about Vietnam i think it was the French who started this war,and couldn’t finish it so we went in for them.Now about china why would thier people fight for its country if they can’t even speak there mind without getting locked up,so about the u.s. being china bitches we help build thier economy and with out us buying everything they make,90 percent of the stuff was made thier or taiwan, they wouldn’t BE shit WITH OUT US THIER. Remember they have TO make us pay first so until then thier our bitches. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME FROM THE IGNORANT AMERICAN AND PROUD
On my research on the costs of war- I found out that not only vast amounts of money, technology, trends and geniuses were spent extravagantly. Even lives both soldiers, inventors and the, sad but true, lives of innocent not even aware. I’m from Mindanao, on the southern part of Philippines,unexpectedly experienced face to face a war victim coz unfortunately there was turmoil a few miles away from the city I lived. A 6-year old child that had seen and lived exactly at the premises of the war. The child was very weak and traumatised, he even feared a reporter dressed in combat fatigue. And had freaked out when he saw a soldier getting near us.
Have anybody among you people tried to pay a visit at a war inflicted area?
Before you speak of how fortunate your country because of its modernized armaments and its growing economy, kindly think of trying to step unto the shoes of those war victims. And imagine for yourself how bad it would have been. Soldiers everywhere, warplanes and bomb carriers flying above your head, gunshots and explosions just few meters near your nose. Death and agony will surely be at your stead!
The cost of war isn’t measured on the modernization of defense systems and costs of technology on weapons, the real cost is based on the properties and lives devastated.
Try then, at least, to destroy your own home or maybe burn it down. If you haven’t yet got my point!!!
thomas,you did not finish your statement about Vietnam,”the French started it and you went in for them” ok what happened then?.Americans talk the talk but you have never fought a nation your own size.My guess is you are like a playground bully who goes around beating up on the little guys and claiming to be tough,but when you meet a guy as big or bigger than you you will piss your pants and start crying for your Mama.
I was just reading all the posts and realized just how dumb we really are(I already kind of knew it). The US is just a bunch of crooks. I mean I was listening to NPR the some time ago, and it talked about an Iraqi woman talking about she felt much safer with Saddam Hussein. Besides, how can our soldiers sleep at night knowing how many innocent civilians they killed so far. The whole point of this pointless war is to fight of the “terrorists”. Now there are more terrorists than ever. We wasted trillions of taxpayer dollars in this stupid war and accomplished almost nothing. America went against the UN and started the war anyways. Bush already messed up in his first four years in office and what do we do? We reelect him. (I was hoping Kerry would win). Anyways at least we elected Obama. Maybe he will finally set things straight and give us a good name around the world.
I will just make a quick comment on this site so I can go to the toilet. Russia, China and the U.S fighting in a acutal nuclear war is unimaginable unless they are both being taken over by each other, by simple madness, political motivation or by MAD
(Mutually Assured Destruction). None the less, It would be Russia, China and the “Anti - Nato” comprising of the major former Soviet states v.s the U.S, Nato (Northern Atlantic Treaty Organization) and European Union.
So that ends my comment. Now I shall be taking a pee.
I await your replies.
sorry about my typo’s, i meant “ever” by “every”.
btw, i’m sure that china will take its throne back as it did in ancient times, and the only way to keep china under control without collapsing is to keep a one-party government, you don’t understand how china has suffered in its history. and the u.s.a. has bullied us every now and then, but enough is enough. like someone else said, some countries are tired of the u.s. being the “world police” and having its nose everywhere.
I am from Pakistan.
Right now disgusting UN and Americans are negatively influencing in our politics. American foreign polices is so pathetic. If I am not wrong, world most hated and worst nation is Americans.
But remember PAKISTAN will never ever support to any external power And Nobody has rights to interfere in others countries politics. It’s just due to our weak leadership selfish rulers.
And hopefully this will be resolved very soon.
I strongly in favor to built block of Russia China Pakistan India and Iran to evacuate dirtiest Americans from this region.
I am not against of any country but bogus NITO AND UN should be finish. Its only work in favor of bluddy Americans. They never ever talked about the Iraq / Ghaza / Afghanistan etc. They damn concerned with humanities issues rather then Americans support. This kind of bullshit organization should be finished. Especially China and Russia should take step to develop more justified organization on all over the world behalf.
As for as most powerful nation is concern, only can be decided in battle field.
Well Yestery i was seeing a video in which a person was throwing shoes toweads Mr. Bush.
Well i really felt bed when shoe was missed out. It should be hurl on Bush ugly mouth.
We all can imagine how much other world love to poorest Americans. And now Americal should realize it.
All of the countires like China / Pakistan / India / Iran / Russia / Middle East / European countires / East Asian countires are totaly against of America and their polices.
I want to tell that guy “Only the best”.
Do you know your country is becoming a 3rd grade country, everybody is losing business, banks and businesses going bankrupt. U were so proud that your country is the best. Look now, what has happened, U dont have money to eat, nothing to earn. Whatever u have earned, u spent on liquor and pussies. If india doesnt send wheat and rice to you guys, u all will have to start eating grass.
To increase the crude prices, USA wages war on some country or the other. They want to use their weapons on innocent people. If USA wages a war, its correct. If RUSSIA or INDIA wage a war, they all pussies supporting USA come for a dialogue saying no to war. Its a Hypocrytic rule from USA.
“Only the Best” for your king information, you said ur country is superior in technology. Do you know that 40% of NASA employees are indians, 45% of Microsoft employees are indians, 38% of doctors are Indians. If we werent there America would have struck to cow boy fights and culture.
Never say that ur country is superior, Every country is superior in its own way.
Your proudness has caused recession. Dont know what all that stubborn behaviour is going to cost.
Remember, Anything that goes up has to come down.
Man you dont want nukes to be used on anyone nomatter what right after russia, china, usa or any nuclear country gets nuked the world when end soon after because of chain reactions
anarchy&peace
To anxiety ,yes its true china has grown alot and change but you still can not say bad things about your goverment without getting locked up,so in other words you have no freedom of speech,our country doesn’t controll people lifes by telling them how many kids they can have.Also i agree we need China but china need us as well like it or not,one proof of that is, our economy is suffering right now and so is china and the rest of the planet.Oh to Henry we don’t think we’re better or bigger than any country.In to your response to facing some one bigger,we have before and we even fought ourselves before,Our country might not be perfect but at least i can vote and say that our leaders suck.To the person bloging from Pakistan I know you are not talking shit about U.S. and NATO being negative hell your country supports terrorists,how negative those that get.To henry we never did that to your country so why say that,as i can recall it was England kicking your country around in the playground!!!!!!!!!!! TO END THIS CRAZYNESS THE U.S WILL FALL ONE DAY AND THAT DAY IT WILL BE DEFENDING ISRAEL BUT THAT WILL BE THE END OF THE WORLD,AND THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. MY OPINION THANKS.
First of all, I am American but America is a diverse country with over 300 million people of all stripes and colors. So I only speak for myself and nobody else…and for those “I’m American and I’m so ashamed…”, shut your farcken piehole! You don’t speak for me and alot of other people and don’t pretend that you do.
The original thread was on nuclear warhead stockpiles so I’d like to address that. It costs alot of money to maintain a nuclear stockpile, at least for a “responsible” nation. So I think China has the best deal here because maintaining 90 nukes is a sufficient deterrent considering China’s regionally limited projection. But that will evetually change because China, after all, is run by Communists, and eventually the military will want to modernize, no doubt riding a nationalist sentiment (i.e. “our throne” as expressed by one person here). So they may well expand their inventory which is a waste, IMHO, but it only hurts China. And needless to say there are other powers in the region like Japan that would not take lightly to a Chinese buildup. I have no doubt Japan could build a nuclear weapon in 10 minutes if it had to. Hell, they built the Transformers.
As for Russia (aka Soviet Union), it’s in the worst position, maintaining huge stockpiles it can’t afford to take care of. There are huge security risks with proliferation of the actual weapons, material, and technology. No credible expert thinks Russia is a conventional threat; hell, they could only send one ship down to take on the Somali pirates and even that ship broke down on the way there. And lets not kid ourselves; until Premier Putin gets out of the picture, as far as I’m concerned, it’s still the Soviet Union. The U.S. missile defense is not a threat to the Topal (another waste of money, IMHO) but it was never designed to be. Soviet propaganda plays it out but really, it’s about ownership of Ukraine and Georgia and all the other “previous” Soviet republics. It’s really about the shadow government operating behind the auspices of the Russian “Republic” or even “Democracy”, but it’s still the old players, the communists who believe that Ukraine and Georgia belong to them. The U.S. doesn’t need to put a missile defense in Poland to protect the U.S. from Iran. Iran can’t hit the U.S. but it can hit Europe and you can be sure of this: When Iran announces it has nuclear weapons, and they will, Europeans are going to be asking “is the missle defense built already????”. Because any reasonable person knows it’s only a matter of time before some religious fundamentalist lunatic starts yelling “Allahu Akbar!” and pushes the button.
As for the U.S., the stockpiles would probably be reduced to reduce cost and reflect the current world situation but thanks to the Topal, there is talk about resuming testing and construction of new missile systems. And the U.S. can build a missile just as well as Russia but of course all have their strengths and weaknesses (CER, payload, speed, etc) and in the end it’s just another nuclear arms race that’s just a waste of money. Russian has a sizeable economy but much of it is due to oil money. Great when oil’s 150$/barrel, not so great at 48$/barrel.
lol
Your ancestors were Europeans. If you’re black - Damn, your ancestors were Slaves. So tell me, Americans, what kind of nation is that? Build up by slaves and migrants. You’re just a dirty crowd out of hundreds of nations.
Then telling others nations 3rd world countries.
Russia is not interfearing in Ukraine’s/Georgia’s affais but it’s the U.S which uses these countries as puppets against the Russians.
Facts only,
the USSR made the most advanced bomb on earth using new innovative technology. the Russians only got an idea of how to make the bomb which is why they made it so soon. just like the Americans and the allies got their information from Germany.
PEOPLE. This is fact THAT US is a super power now.
India OR Pakistan are nothing front of America.
I think only China and Russia are capable to fight against USA.
‘pandora’s box has been opened’, no matter how much we desire to rid ourselves of nuclear weapons, we cannot rid ourselves of the knowledge and technical knowhow. The USA is like any previous imperialist powers, once power is acquired they will not want to relinquish it, and use any method to retain it. One way to curb the excessives, not militarily but politically would be to do away with the security Council of the UN. The permanent members are the biggest dealers in death, in that they sell vast quantities of weapons. All major issues facing the world, whether its darfur,Kashmir,Palestine or Tibet are not dealt with because one or more permanent member of the Security Council either Veto’s or abstains.
In relation to ‘who has the biggest bombs’, it doesnt really matter if a certain number from either side make it to their respective targets then what is left but death and destruction. The biggest fear for most modern societies is biological weapons, take for example the Ebola virus, highly dangerous. The flu pandemic alone is a major killer.
All imperialist powers lose their power status sooner or later,a and are replaced by another its the way of the world.
Ofcourse, I nearly forgot.
@ HoozUrDaddy
‘????”. Because any reasonable person knows it’s only a matter of time before some religious fundamentalist lunatic starts yelling “Allahu Akbar!” and pushes the button’.
The previous nut in the White house(Voted into office my the people of USA) said he was on a mission from God(still got re-elected for second term) and ended up in the fiasco known as Iraq, where over 1/2 MILLION Iraqis are dead. When peddling your propaganda please give us credit for having some intelligence, ideally far more than the many ignorant Americans who still think Saddam had weapons of mass destruction(nuclear bombs!).
What the world should be afraid of is the 70 Million US evangelical Christians, a lunatic lot who believe in the scenario, Jesus will return when armageddon occurs, so their support for Israel is also based on this premise, the sooner the world starts to go for nuclear armageddon, the better it is for salvation!.
OK guys ive been readign this for soem while just watching and ive been a little disapointed by both sides from teh ones arguing for Russia and the ones arguing for USA. Lets start with Russia. Its a new country that started with worse economic problems then lybiria but it was able to stand up and in a matter of less tehn 20 years is one of teh top 10 economies of teh world. For a country that has aroudn 150 million peoepl i belive is a VERY VERY big feat. Russias military DID take a beating durrign teh 90’s howvere that doesnt meen that teh research just stoped. Look now at the new s300. It is an anti aircraft and missle defence system. It is the most modern system in teh world. Not Isrealy not french but yes Russian. Look at teh new Berkut a revolutionary jet aircraft that has manuverablity capabilities that are not chalanged by any oterh plane. Look at the Ka-52 helicopter which is just as advanced as the american Apache. Russia has one of the newest tanks T-90 sure it cant be compared to teh abram becaus ethey have never fought but ehy tiem will tell (If you gusy say that the abram is betetr because it killed soviet tanks in iraq those tansk where discharged from teh soviet army i belive in 72?)
America has no less of grand technologies. Look at the F-22 and its revolutionary stealth technologies. Its a grand acheivement but im sorry to say that the s300 has the technology nwo to shoot it down. American army can how ever pride itself in its superb comunication abilities. It has teh most interconected military in teh world ( besides Isreal). In a full scale convensinal war taht is CRITICAL how ever its is a very expensive system for each soldier to have a means of comunication with command.
Now since thsi isnt talking about a conventional war but a nuclear exchange its alot diffrent. Now both countries have around 5000 nukes each ( please i knwo its wrong but lets pretend). so if we divide the population of teh united states 300 mil by 5000 and u get 60000 people per nuclear explosion. taht means that almost every decent town and citi will eb leveled. every school and hospital will eb destroyd. there will be no mroe comunication and there will be no mroe civilized life in america. For russia it comes out to an even worse figure. THERE WILL BE NO WINNER IN A NUCLEAR EXCHANGE. Both countries will get the missles of teh ground before the otehr countries land. Trust me gusy if this shit breaks down to point of nuclear exchange head down to your local tunnle bridge and bunker and get ready cause you will all be fightint to survive.,
i hope new era begin… alliance between russian, china, india, brazil, pakistan, Mideast, Southeast Asian, canadian, mexico.. can hold US invade the other country.. Asia, Central South American, Canada, Mexico & Mideast is to often feel colonialism from western and U.S… this can created new era for MidEast & Asian & South central American & canada,mexico People..
india, china, russia, brazil is the most faster growing economic country.. and other have a good military.. enought to make silent U.S..
Western still ok,
but (U.S is to Evil)..
and i agree about the UN is puppet..
(sorry my english language not to good..)
How ever that is a very unprobable scenerio.Alot of those countries have beef on each otehr and not alot of countries will openly go against the US. So in truth the world today is balanced very well and a huge full scale war will be devestatign even to teh winner because of all teh alliances that have been made
can nukes use to destroy asteroid? i think they will not use it at war.. maybe can usefull to use for something usefull to earth than to destroy earth..
Russia is a 2nd world country and China is a 3rd world country. That doesn’t mean they are not powerful and cannot stand up to Obama. China can turn America into a 2nd world country by destroying its financial system through the dumping of US treasury bills. China can turn the US dollar into worthless paper. Just the other week the US sent a spy ship into China that got chased away by FISHING BOATS. The US actually has the balls to send a destroyer to escort the spy ship, which is retarded considering China has about 10,000 ways to turn that destroyer into scrap metal. Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal and its ICBMs are actually far more advanced than the US’s. They are road mobile vs silo based, so they can hide in underground bunkers or mountain fortresses, giving them a true land-based second-strike capability. Russian MIRVS are maneuverable and deploy more advanced decoys than American ICBMs. China has also recently deployed a road-mobile ICBM with MIRVs, but Chinese ICBM technology is still behind Russia and the US’s. Who cares if the US has a stronger conventional military? If the US really dared to bring the war to Russia or China the whole world would end.
btw LOL at the Indian posters that put their country in the same category as Russia and China.
Hey guy it is a common misunderstanding what a first second and third world country is. A first world country is a country taht was allied with the USA and NATO durrign teh cold war such as england france USA canada. A second world country is a country allied with teh soviet Union liek cuba and egypt. A third world country is a country that wasnt allied with anyone liek most of africa. This also simultaniously also seperated the poor from teh rich. SO calling a country a first world country is a very week term cause it doesnt say anything. Also if Russia or china dared bring war on USA or each other teh world would be “over” too. America is not teh only country that has teh ability to destroy billions.
I’m reading all your comments and I want to say one thing. There should either be WW3, or the United States should be erased from World Map.
Seriously.
No dude curently teh world is very stable. All those minor conflicts wont do anythign to teh stability. for ww3 to happen there woudl need to be a full invasion of a main country. as soon as that happens nukes will fly and its over. Now if we removed teh US NATo woudl be useless and europe would be overrun by russia be caus ethere woudl be no one to stop em. so curently its very stable
Everyone Cut the crap, We all know the U.S. is the strongest in almost everything or at least the major stuff. We all know that when the U.S falls, the whole will fall with it. There will not be a higher power sorry the system is already set up that way.
God BLess America.
Really please do tell hwo the US is stronger then everyone else?? Please do tell of their masterful technology. The US did pioneer the modern tank and now teh UAV but it has been overtaken by otehr european countries (also isreal). Anti-missle technology is at its peak in Russia. The best curent battle tank is between Russia, Germany and isreal. The Abram was made in teh 80’s and is wonderful against cold war tech but not top of teh line anymore. America also has teh new F22 but that is even being rivald by the eurofighter. America doesnt have a high percentage of people in teh military or have ever recieved military training so i dont knwo what you are saying. Sure your ego is flaming but trust me this isnt a unipolar world anymore, You have Europe, Russia, China, India and otehr countries that are commign up to claim their own. So if you do have soem solid facts id loev to hear them.
you fuckin moderator…
you deleted my post on Indian superiority but would let racist comments flow…
you psuedo mothafuker calling himself liberal…..
you must be chinese
India is the centre of the world
all you unpure converts out there, who have no ancestral religion and are product of imposed abhramic religion please note
what is america?
might be superior for 250 years
britain ?
ruled few centuries
islam?
ruled few centuries
India ruled and lived best standard of living for thousands of years…
time will change and come back where it belongs
to the land of philosophers, inventers, rich and unpure souls
most of you have hybrid and unpure unpreserved genetics…
you ancestors must be from middle east….sons and daughters of criminals
everyone knows americans and australians are criminals from europe…
everyone is somehow influenced by india….
India is land of original religion… hinduism buddhism jainism…
today china is completely under buddist influence, their kung fu was practiced and pioneered by monks from india who settled in china to protect from chinese barbarians
it doesnt matter how long you people stay superior….India is centre of the world and time will come back….