Europe’s Cultural Suicide by Appeasing Islamists
Aby December 7th, 2008
Last September, a sensation was created by two major British newspapers, The Times and The Telegraph regarding Sharia civil law coming into force in Britain. In an attempt to abate the apprehension that such an alarming news could cause in Britain, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams gave a lecture on how the enforcement of Islamic civil laws in UK is ‘acceptable’ and ‘unavoidable’. However, the lecture was met by severe criticism from several quarters of the intelligentia, arguing that the adoption of Sharia laws in British judicial system violate the fundamentals of equality in a secular nation.
A video blog by a outspoken European atheist, explaining the dangers of Islamisation in Europe.
This unfortunate trend of religious appeasement is endemic not only in Britain, but also in the rest of Western Europe. For example, in 2002, the French Minister, Nicholas Sarkozy set up the Conseil Français du Culte Musulman (French Council of the Muslim Faith) which is majorly represented by an extremist and controversial Islamic brotherhood, the Union of Islamic Organisations of France (UOIF). As the current President of France, Sarkozy has also been in the news for his praises of oppressive Islamic kingdoms like Saudi Arabia. In another case, a Berlin show of Mozart’s Idomeneo had to be cancelled in 2007, for the fear of provoking a violent backlash from its 3.3 million strong Muslim population.
Such political sanction of Islam and Islamist regimes hurts not only the secular interests of European democracies, but also the integration of moderate Muslim populations to mainstream European societies. A large number of Muslim immigrants in Europe come from countries in West Asia and North Africa, where strictures of Islam are followed, that are politically and economically repressive in nature. For these people, Europe represents the hope they could not find in their countries of origin, by giving them the civil liberties that are a result of centuries of trials and tribulations that Europe went through. By legitimising the religious docrines of Islam and Islamic governments, European politicians and clergy create a sense of betrayed alienation among both the progressive Muslims and secular Europeans.
Aby MC
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The idea that Islam is a “peaceful religion hijacked by extremists” is a dangerous fantasy and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for moderate Muslims to indulge. Every person living in a civilized nation should read the Koran and discover the relentlessness with which non-Muslims are vilified in its pages.
The only difference between Islam and Christianity is that most Christian live among freethinkers which means the dogma cannot take hold so strongly. The Islamic nations are poor and uneducated and easily controlled. If Christians followed their “holy” bible as the Muslims follow their “holy” Koran they would be just as radical. Read the bible. (If you can stomach it.) It also calls for the death of non-believers and various other things that are consider crimes in the civilized world.
My take on this is that eventually someone will arise in Europe, possibly as the next Hitler. Muslims will be exterminated as history repeats itself. Right or wrong, it’s human nature.
Legend, you are correct,the crimes commited in the name of christianity in the middle ages defy belief.Thankfully in Europe we became wiser and pulled ourselves out of that cesspit.Dimitri I hope you are wrong but unfortunately I feel your take will be proven correct also.The people of Europe will never tolerate being islamised.Its inconcievable, and those attempting it are playing a very dangerous game that can only end with horrible consequences.
Christianising of Europe came as more and more people converted to Christianity, Islamification can onlyy occur if the overwhelming majority of europeans were to convert to Islam. As most Europeans are becoming more Athiestic the chances of religiosity making a comeback is unlikely.
The danger becomes when Athiests become no better than the zealots. Its about a balance , where those practising a faith are not demonised.
Islam will hit Europe, America, and China when the third wave of its own occurs by this millennium.
In 1st millennium, Islam hit middle east ans swept thro’ completely.
At the 2nd millennium, it spread to other countries and neighbor continents.
The 3rd wave will hit very hard on those non-muslim countries by this 3rd millennium and cover up nearly half of the world population as it followers.
There is an danger awaiting for this world, when both Islam & Christianity eradicates all the other religion and take over equally the world population.
The seed from the same tree will spread across the world and at the end will destroy each other.
The problem with Islam is that like most religions (if not all) is that they follow rules that would only have made sense 1000 + years ago. Calling your wife your property worked 1000 years back because the laws stated that women were not equal to men.
I have been watching the spread of Islam throught Europe and their prediction that Europe will be converted in a few decades with a great deal of alarm. I think that their prediction is accurate but I cannot understand why the European population could be so submissive to the erradication of European culture. Is Europe really committing suicide? Will they never fight back? What will Europe be like under the heel of these barbarians?
Australia
India will be converted sooner to Islam in another few centuries. Christians also working harder to cover up the population, and there is no village, town, or city without a Muslim. They also push their religion by some hook or crook methods.
For Europe, America, China, and other religious countries, these two religious people will work harder to cover the population.
At the end of this 3rd millennium, only Islam & Christianity will exist, all the other religion will go to near extinction stage.
Final fight between Islam & Christianity will end the world.
The Druids would be laughing in their graves. I have never heard such dribble from so few.
@ Well-wisher
In this blog, all that you have been doing is attacking Islam or muslims, even where religion was not on the menu. Islam and christianity have had a profound effect on the world whether you like it or not. If the people of Europe want to become muslims, buddhists, christians etc then so be it. It will be of their choosing. When pagan christians converted to christianity, they did away with many of their cultural ways related to their pagan beliefs.
I think it is very fitting — the secularists hate Christians in America — maybe they can hate the Muslims just as much in Europe!
To John from Australia:
You said “I think that their prediction is accurate but I cannot understand why the European population could be so submissive to the erradication of European culture.”
How much of European culture is actually European and not taken from outside Europe? How much of non-European culture/peoples were eradicated during that massive age of European colonialism?
I think before everyone gets all tied up about Muslims taking over Europe, one needs to take a serious look at Europe and its history invading/conquering/taking over other cultures. Can the people of the continent that can easily be called the bloodiest piece of real estate this planet really be shocked that the tables have turned? Can Europeans not see that they are simply getting a taste of their own medicine?
It’s true that there are a lot of muslims in Europe and that’s largely because the States has refused to take any from Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Libanon etc etc. If the states lived up it’s responsibilities, this would not be such an issue.
However the idea that Europe will be converted is absolute non-sense. Europe is overwhelmingly atheistic, if anything the next generation of new muslims here will be less religious and maybe it is this, we here in Europe should be worried about. If the next generation of Muslims lose their religion whilst not intergrating, that will be a real problem.
Well religion is something started by human beings. What worked 2000 years may not work now. When these religions came to exist people were forced to follow. Today the secular countries in almost every way are ahead of the religious state, for e.g U.S. for e.g both India and Pakistan were ruled by Britain Equally, both were looted equally but Pakistan choosed to be an islamic country after the partition of India, and India chosed to be a secular country. Today the difference between Pakistan and India is that Pakistan has to ask for american aid for almost everything. I have no problem with Islam but I don’t understand why all the terrorists Chechnya, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Sudan, etc. are Muslim? Is this a coincidence?
http://enewsreport.blogspot.com
I like the idea of discussing Islam, at least it serves as an awareness of Islam to ignorant. I do not foresee any threat to Islam as an ideology which will prevail irrespective of media criticisms or personal frustration on youtube videos, as seen in this blog post. I truly believe Islam in its proper sense of understanding and interpretation, will lead to civil and peaceful society. the stereotypes of cases in Iran or Saudi Arabia cant be proven with major statistics. So there is no point of even discussing it in the framework of Islamic values. Spread of Islam as a peacefull ideolgy is inevitable. Criticism is its strength. I am glad atleast people are now knowing more about it by reading or discussing.
The problem of contemporary Europe is not Islamic but a social order and lack awareness, immigration comes under the same umbrella. As a Muslim and as European citizen i don’t see any concern of Islamophobia. Also, i am not extremist, nor do i support terrorism, nor do i see any connection of terrorism in the sphere of Islam.
i think i have said my views simple enough! comments welcome if further clarifications needed! peace to all of you.
My understanding is the Judaism, Christianity and Islam are very closely link religions, Torah, Bible and Koran are their holy books.
I recently attended an awareness event and was amazed to learn the similarities between the three religions. Islam is the youngest of the three religions and i was told that to be a moslim you must have faith on Moses, Jesus as well as Muhammed, the Koran mentiones a great deal about Moses and other messengers and the only woman to get mentioned in Koran is Mary.
Moslims are allowed to mary jewish and christains, they are allowed to eat kosher meat etc etc.
I think its the lack of awareness about Islam which is making situation uneasy for Europeans.
How can the religion be not peaceful which means ‘peace’!
Contributors please do not mix religion and politics together.
@ Sansky
I find your views very anti-Islam. Islam is not 2000 years old but over 1400 hundred years old.
Your an Indian man and my understanding is Hinduism is even older than 2000 years.
It appears that you still have issue about India and Pakistan partition - the American aid for Pakistan.
The topic is European culture and Islam. Your clearly mixing the religion and politics together.
Time to time i read a Christain magazine and i was shocked to read how often the hard line Hindus are opperessing/ killing the minority Christain and Moslim in all over India.
David
Hindus are not oppressing/killing the minority Christian and Muslims all over India.
If there is a problem between these communities then the casualities will be there
on both sides and no point in blaming Hindus alone. In India the minorities like Christians
& Muslims enjoy reservations in education/job etc. (better than Hindus). Some section
of minorities provoke the majority Hindus (80% of the population in India) by abusing
their religion and the problem starts there. These minority organisations are heavily
aided by their Western masters to create division among the Indians. But I also don’t
support the mindless violence of the Hindus against any community in the name of
over reaction.
@ G Vinod
Let me let tell you when there are problems between the different communities who gets killed its always the minorities the Christians, Moslims and Sikhs, study the Gujarat and Delhi massacres and Christain clergymen burnt alive.
The easiest way out is to say that the 80% Hindus were provoked or blame it on west.
India get your house in order and protect your minorities before you start criticise others.
@ G Vinod
Let me tell you when there are problems between the different communities who gets killed its always the minorities the Christians, Moslims and Sikhs, study the Gujarat and Delhi massacres and Christain clergymen burnt alive.
The easiest way out is to say that the 80% Hindus were provoked or blame it on west.
India get your house in order and protect your minorities before you start criticising others.
David
The problem in Gujarat started when a train carrying Hindu pilgrims was
burnt (by some Muslim terrorist elements) and hundreds got killed as a result.
So where does the problem start from??? Yes it’s a shame that many Sikhs/Christians
were killed in the past and you can’t blame one community for that. It’s all due to
dirty politics. Some Christian missioneries get money from the west and spread
anti Indian propaganda and abuse Hindu Gods and hence the problem starts.
Iam not against any minority community and condemn all forms of terrorism
be it in the name of Hinduism, Islam etc…
Vinod
I am pleased to read that you have admitted that many innocent Christians and Sikhs have been killed in the past.
My understand about the Gujarat massacre is much different and its based on your commission finding that the fire started accidently in train and no group was to blame.
Time after time we are reminded that India is the world’s biggest democracy.
Even if the fire was started deliberately why not put the prepetrators on trial and severely punish the guility rather than mobs rioting killing and burning thousands of innocent moslims children, women and old people alive who were not connected with the incident at all including murdering several British moslims visiting India at that time.
India where are your democratic values which you so often preach the world?
David
Don’t you know that many Sikhs with turban were killed by the
anti social elements in the U.S after Sep 11 as they were mistakenly
identified as Muslims?? Many muslims were also killed as a result and
that’s a different story. Could the U.S catch the real prepetrators of
9/11 till date???
No British muslim was killed in Gujarat and what you have said in your
above post is false. Don’t post false information and misguide others.
David
Don’t you know that many Sikhs with turban were killed by the
anti social elements in the U.S after Sep 11 as they were mistakenly
identified as Muslims?? Many muslims were also killed as a result and
that’s a different story.
No British muslim was killed in Gujarat and what you have said in your
above post is false. Don’t post false information and misguide others.
Vinod
Your clearly getting mixed up between America and Britain. For your information we are two different countries and in different parts of the world and i am British and not an American.
Any American please confirm how many Sikhs or Moslems were killed after 11th September attacks for mistaken identities, wheater the numbers were hundreds or thousands or one or two.
Regards to the Gutarat massacre of your minority moslem community, please accept hard line Hindu mobs went out of control and killed an estimated two thousand moslems and the truth is those muderers got away with their hands full of blood.
Remember the commission findings that the fire started accidently and no one was to blame. But still thousands of innocent moslims were massacred.
Please be assured that your not misguided it was reported in the British media that time that some visiting British Moslims have also been killed by the rioters.
The truth is India has two faces one for minority Christians, Moslems and Sikhs and one for majority Hindu/rest of the world.
David
You din’t understand what I meant. The incidents happened in the U.S
post Sep 11 was quoted as an example, by me. Even if it is one or two
people killed, a life is a life. I clearly know that U.S and Britain are two
different countries. But unfortunately sometimes Britain don’t take decisions
independently on foreign policy and blindly follow the Americans. Don’t you
know that Indians are often targetted racially in Australia?
Don’t always project that majority of India are against the minority community.
The commision which was set up to probe the Gujarat incident has not done
its job properly and has reported to satisfy the minorities, which is all due to
minority vote bank politics. The court has also asked to probe the incident properly
in this regard.
Vinod
I agree with your comments that lost of an innocent life is a life and what happens where thousand of lives were lost we in west call it a genocide.
My understanding of the Gujaret massacre Commission was that it was an independent Commission and its finding were based on true and factual information and not on minorities vote bank.
I hope this clarifies the matter.
David
Commissions are appointed by the ruling party and it has to
be independent. But what happens is that these commissions
submit report to satisfy the Government. We don’t believe it
since they are often biased. One classic example is the recent
Libheran commission report which had included a former Indian
Prime Minister’s name as an accused in the Babri Masjid demolition.
The highlight is that the commission had not even summoned and
enquired him about his role in that incident. So how can believe
such reports??
I have done a school project on the Koran. I know it is not a peaceful religion. One of the five pillars of Allah states that all followers should either convert his fellow man or kill him. For a government to appeal to only one religion can not be justified in any way. I’m am not being bias. I’m a christian but I wouldn’t want the government to enforce that belief upon everyone else. People will not believe in something just because you force them to.
@david
Hindus don’t hav a propaganda to kill xians or muslims.but it is enough.Christians and Muslims terrorists came to my country,abused my forefathers,said u r idiot black idolitious,u were going to hell because u were pagan!sorry to say Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity.u said u read abt Hindu’s slavery towards minorities in a xian magazine,while i can can give u thousands of xian and muslim slavery 2wards hindus because they refused to accept jesus.thats it.
Zeke
Can i ask how old are you?
You sound to be very young as your general understanding about Islam is very basic!
May i suggest you make contact with your local Islamic Centre and pick up the correct information before you start calling yourself a Christian.
First close all christian missionaries across the world and then cry about this….
Maybe they are setting up all this Muslims Organizations in order to reduce the violence of the Muslims Minorities in their country?
@Paul
Your comments are not clear as what your trying to say.
“Maybe they are setting up moslim organisation in order to reduce the violence of the moslim minority in their country”
Which country your referring at USA or Thailand or Great Britain?
Do you mean christian missionaries?
Please explain………..