Nuclear Missile Forces - USA vs China vs Russia
Aby June 15th, 2007
In the nuclear age, a nation’s military superiority and immunity from military attacks is judged by its nuclear capability. Apart from the number and quality of warheads deployed, a nation’s nuclear capability is also judged by its nuclear delivery systems, most preferably missiles. In the current era - the United States of America, Russia and China maintain the nuclear missile supremacy, both in numbers and in capabilities. What follows is a brief review of the primary nuclear missile systems in these three countries, with a little background on the capabilities and limitations of ballistic missiles. For the sake of understanding, the language has been kept as simple as possible.
An American Trident 2 SLBM launched from an Ohio submarine (Click video to play)
Why ballistic missiles?
Ballistic missiles are the most effective delivery systems for nuclear warheads against fixed targets like cities and military bases, because of their short flight duration and and precise course , that cannot be altered once the missile spends its fuel and becomes ballistic. Defence against ballistic missiles are yet to be reliable enough to be considered foolproof , especially against long-range, high-speed ones like ICBMs (Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) and SLBMs (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles). Moscow remains the only city in the world with a somewhat credible ABM (Anti Ballistic Missile) defence system, while the US National Missile Defence (NMD) project is still under development. Ballistic missiles coupled with MIRVed warheads are the deadlist nuclear weapons because of their high penetrability. The longest range ballistic missiles are made by China, USA and Russia. This limits our focus on these three countries and their most powerful ballistic missile systems in regard to nuclear capabilities.
What is so bad about MIRVs?
MIRV (Multiple Independent targetable Reentry Vehicle) is a collection of several nuclear warheads carried on a single missile, with the ability to strike each seperate targets over a given area. This reduces the number of missiles needed to hit many targets, increases the area of destruction and reduces the effectiveness of missile defence systems.
People’s Republic of China - China’s ICBM system is mainly based on the Donfeng project which comprises the DF series of ballistic missiles. The Dongfeng DF-5 has the longest range of the series, capable of hitting targets 13000 kms away with an accuracy (CEP) of 1000 metres radius. It was inducted into service in 1981 and is still active as DF - 5 Module 2. According to unconfirmed reports, DF 5 can be launched with an MIRV payload of up to three nuclear warheads. China is also carrying out testing and development on Julang series of SLBM missiles, the latest being JL 2, capable of being launched from a submarine and hitting targets 8,000 kms away. Unconfirmed reports also suggest that JL 2 missile can be loaded with as many as 6 warheads. Due the the secrecy which shrouds China’s defence system, it is difficult to get the exact specifications and capabilities of China’s missile or nuclear forces. The available reports rely mostly on professional obsevations, using satellite reconnaissance data and public releases by the PLA. As of 2006, it is estimated that China has deployed over 90 nuclear missiles, of which at least 20 are targeted on United States.
Russian Federation - Russian missile systems are a legacy of the missile and space technology supremacy of former USSR. The fourth generation ICBM, RT-2UTTH Topol M is capable of striking a destination 10,000-10,500 kms away with 10 MIRVed nuclear warheads (~ 3.6 tons payload). However its warhead is limited to one, in compliance with the START II treaty. The Topol M has the distinction of being the fastest missile in the world, averaging speeds of Mach 11+ (11 x Speed of sound). The RS 24 ICBM, which was recently tested on May 2007 is an MIRV variant of the Topol-M and is reported to be equipped with maneouverable warheads Igla which can change course during re-entry phase, to overcome missile defences. The high re-entry speed of Topol M missiles and their multiple MIRV warheads with decoys make them the deadliest strategic nuclear missiles till date. In the area of submarine nuclear forces, the liquid propelled RSM 54 Skiff, deployed in 1986 is Russia’s longest range and most accurate of SLBMs, with a strike range of 8300+ km. The RSM 54 can carry four to ten MIRVed warheads of 0.3 - 0.55 megatons each, based on Delta class ballistic missile submarines. Russian submarines are unique in their kind for using inverted MIRVed warheads. As of 2006, Russia is estimated to have over 750 nuclear ICBMs and SLBMs deployed with at least 2600 warheads.
United States of America - The retirement of Peacekeeper made the LGM-30 ‘Minuteman’ III the only land based ICBM of the United States at present, with a range of 10,000 km plus. The Minuteman series is the first American ICBM to be MIRVed and has a capability to carry 3-6 nuclear warheads of 0.2 megaton yield each. Currently, Minuteman can be launched from a fixed Silo (ICBM launch system) and programs are under way to start mobile ICBM launch vehicles like those of Russia. The Trident II is the active and operational US’ strategic SLBM, that was deployed in 1990, with a strike range of more than 7,360 km. It can carry up to eight MIRVed warheads of 100 kilotons each and is based on Ohio class SSBN submarines. The Trident II D5 is known to be the most accurate long range missile at present, with a CEP of 90 metres. Both Minuteman III and Trident II have very high re-entry speeds in the order of 25000 km/h. Due to their high accuracy, the US long range nuclear missiles like Trident II have both first and second strike capabilities. The vulnerability of US ICBM silos to a Soviet first strike shifted the priority of US nuclear missile forces to SLBMs. The Ohio submarines with Trident SLBMs are deployed in the Pacific region and patrol the seas about 20 times a year, making it the most active naval nuclear force. By mid-2006, the United States has an arsenal of 836 nuclear missiles, deployed with 2600 active warheads.
More Information and Resources -
- The Military Balance 2007 - International Institute for Strategic Studies
- World Special Weapons Guide - Global Security
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? why when the USA vs anybody eles it is not one country vs another is is america vs europe or china and russia. Personaly it is not fair to look at it like that.
USA, China and Russia are compared on an equal footing on their nuclear missile forces. These are the three countries which have capable and credible missile offence/defence systems which can strike any part of the globe so a comparison is just. If you have any other country which stand a chance against these three please name it with resources for more information. Thank you in advance.
Does it matter if we have 10 missiles or 10,000 ?
We have the firepower to reduce most, if not all, of the earths civilizations to ashes in a matter of hours. But I still dont feel safe, Lets build MORE MISSILES.
“we are living in america, america
“we are living in america, america
Cocacola Santaclaus”
America has the power, the weapons, the comunnications systems,..imperialism.
but there comes china… warning
No country can survive a nuclear war. The nuclear war will mean one thing, mutual destruction of both sides. The shield in eastern Europe is more of a sign from the Americans, that we dont care what russia thinks, we will do as we please. This arrogance will be America’s downfall! Where as if China will be the next super power, i dont think so. No country so depended on mineral resources like china (china has limited oil reserves of its own) can be a superpower, Where as Russia has the technology, the resources to reclaim its status of super power. America has the power true, but study the economic predictions. America is a great nation, rich both with resources both human and natural. But they must understand thay cant subjugate all the world to their will. America could have been turned into a paradise if all the funds spent on foreign policy agenda were to go the people. A question to any American citizen, do you support Mr. Bush’s foreign policy? if yes please write why?
I’m not responding on this site any longer because it’s a waste of my time, you’ve already got your minions to follow in your swiss BS. Lackeys, take note and keep following the swiss pacifist, while his government and his banks who hides all “evil money” in the world laughs all the way to the bank. Just ask the Jews whose money they stole.
To Only The Facts -
I would rather listen to an unbiased Swiss than an ignorant fool like you. If you have anything sense to say welcome but not all these ignorantly arrogance rubbish you spit.
@ Only The Facts - I demand proof that the Swiss stole Jews’ money. ‘Evil’ is a relative moralist catchword - for an Islamist, anything un-Islamic is evil; for an American anything un-American is evil; in the same wayfor a Nazi Jews themselves are evil and lesser human. There is no absolute evil and using such terms in a factual analysis is hardly a logical thing to do.
Only the Facts- your name is hypocritical. as a Canadian, i speak for 3/4 of the people I know. We hate america. You F&&& up our international relationships with other countries. Maybe the islamist extremists are on to something. Spend some money on society instead of on weapons and maybe all your minority groups will soeday like calling America home. Until then, look north for the best beer and the “free” life.
Personally,
Please, Canadian fanboy, don’t act like you hate America.
In a time of Nuclear War, is Canada going to go ahead and side with China/Russia?
I don’t think so, buddy, they know it’s in their best interests to stand beside the USA.
Canada, has to look to the USA for help. They don’t have much of an Army. All nations that can’t stand the USA, when bombs come raining down on them, who will they look to, to help them ? Easy, USA. We need more new weapons. If you were in the Old West, and was call out for a gun fight, and you had a 22,and the other guy had a 44, who has the better chance to kill you. True they both will kill, but the 44 will do more damage. Same with better weapons. I don’t care if you are on the left or right. This is a True Fact. Of course some will always say, it’s not so.
Proximities play a role. I’m Canadian studying in the U.S., and there is no doubt that Canada would side with the United States even when we obviously hate her. I know I speak for a lot of of my friends when I make this claim (see above). It’s like saying, “in a U.S. military conflict with Russia, Japan would side with the United States.” While I’ll grant that the U.S. and Japan are strong allies, it would be foolhardy to alienate a neighbor as strong as Russia to go to the United States that would care little if her interests ceased to exist in Japan. Proximities play a much-too-important role to ignore.
This is what Canadian and European hypocrites love to do. Hate the US, malign the US and yet look up to the US for Military protection. Europeans will pee in their pants if Russia even bluffed about attacking them. Only and only US is the reason Russia is keeping out of Europe. I wish US didn’t help Europe in WW2; had it been so, there would be nothing but Germany. Canada..oh come on… give me a break. You guys work for US. You should thank god everyday to be situated right next to the US otherwise with half of your country covered under snow you’ll had starved to death. I am an Indian and am not biased towards the US, but come on guys think with your head, US must get the credit it deserves the same way it gets all the bad mouthing.
You got your facts wrong Mr. Asif but so much I can expect from an American national or a resident American. Perhaps you haven’t realised yet that European countries have their own independant military forces that are much more capable for defence of Europe than anyone else. I admire your support for the country you reside in and I understand that compared to your country of origin US looks like paradise, however I doubt you would be helping Americans by making historically and factually inaccurate remarks. Unless of course, you want to be party to propaganda and rumours.
I am sorry, but it seems an Americanism already infected you. First Russia at present has no intention to fight a war with Europe, as it is determintal to its economic interests. War is not a game of football that one uses to show muscle power, although I’d understand that a lot of Americans in non-military sectors seem to think it is. As for World War 2, I pointed above that without US support and funds, the Nazi power would have never been what they are or built a war machinery to fight a massive war.
By claiming Europe would have been Germany, you made another errorenous claim that the ignorant among Americans often tend to make. The United States never fought the World War 2 in European threater until the defeat of Germany. If Russian victory in Stalingrad and subsequent takeover of Germany didn’t occur, the United States and United Kingdom would have made a truce with Hitler as was planned. Hence Europe did not become Germany because of Russia, not United States. The US policy would have created a Nazi Europe which would have been far worse on humanity than the prospect of a communist Europe.
I’d wait for a Canadian to respond to this as seeing that you have made several inaccurate claims, there is a possibility you missed, overlooked or exaggerated something in favour of United States.
If the flag in your comment says anything about it, I’d think you are an Indian immigrant to the United States; not an unbiased Indian resident. As an Indian who migrated to the United States, it would be naive to say that you are not biased towards the United States. How on earth did you end up moving to the United States otherwise? I had visited India several times and to put it plainly, Indians if given a choice between living in their own country and moving to US, they’d choose the latter. It is understandable, considering there are few opportunities for personal achievements in third world country India, compared to first world United States which seems like a paradise for Indians. Indians see US as ‘THE destination’ and their understanding of world is dominated by India, United States, Pakistan and post-colonial United Kingdom. Their understanding of Europe is in black and white. You could pick out random 100 university educated Indians in Delhi or Bombay and ask them who the President of France is or what the currency of Russia is. Chances are 95 out of 100 Indians won’t be able to give the correct answer to either of these questions. Ask them the same questions about US and almost all of them would be able to give correct answer to both questions. Hence when you, as an Indian immigrant to US claim that you are not biased towards America, it sounds as good as a fairytale. As we have seen above, you made judgements and comments on European affairs that you had a little idea about. I’d call it rash and moving to United States does not give you an authority to make inaccurate and opinionated claims on the rest of the world - least of all Europe. Whatever you see in United States that makes America a ‘western wonder’ for you originated from Europe - the form of government, the spoken language the quality of life, the infrastructure or the technological wonders.
China might be the world most powerful country in 2020 according to the CIA. The are making secret nuclear weapons each day with out reporting it to the world not like the USA and Russia they report how much stockpile of nuclear weapon they have. So USA and Russia keep it a secret better pile up OR elese ???
Cox Report said that Guanbu has stolen Trident II technologies to conceive DF-31 ICBM. But thid ICBM is not deployed yet, maybe in 2009-2010.
Very good lucture from Aby and asif. Aby i true Asif should have sense on his words. The recent Russia Georgian conflicts are polarising the world and for me its realy really thrilling. At last someone is standing against US. Lets C,
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Aby.
Very intressting post.
Aby I think that you think you know more than you do. Had the US not supported Great Britain and France in WW2 undoubtedly they would have fallen to Germany and Germany would then have had a much better chance of defeating Russia on the Eastern front. Yes the US came into the Europen theater toward the end of the war but it was decisive and it was the reason the war ended. Obviously you resent the USA. An though the US is far from perfect I hope you would be honest enough to acknowledge the immense contribution in materiel and lives the US made to end WW 2. If you don’t agree with me then you should really review your history as your understanding seems to be quite flawed. I am also amazed that you obviously think that without the intervention of the US in the current geopolitical scenario and the US alliance with NATO and others Western Europe would be better off. In addition you may want to recall who the major contributor was in the rebuilding of Europe after WW2.
Frank, obviously you don´t want to remember that Russia sacrifices much more lives than the US, in fact more than anyone, in WWII. Without Russia, America´s intervention would have been terribly difficult.
You also conveniently forgot that America enters the war ONLY after Pearl Harbour. Where`s the merit on that? In the list of things you faithfully forgive, you can add that rebuilding Europe was part of a plan to USE it against the USSR, and not for free precisely.
Maybe you need to abandon your high school history books and start reading REAL global strategy before trying to give Europe some kind of “lecture”.
To all the typical American patriots, blidned by the American arrogance of thinking that America is the all mighty hero of the world - America didn’t contribute to the rebuilding of Europe after WW2 out of a kind act of generosity, and they certainly arn’t fighting in the Middle East out of their kindness.
Hayath you need to get out more if the build up of international tension and our impending doom thrills you. That’s just plain scary, however I understand your point that someone is finally standing up against the US. I just want to know what the world would be like if we all just got along, and didn’t spend trillons of dollars on our self destruction. The whole world could be turned into a paradise and all life on this planet would have a much better chance of making it through to the next century.
@ Frank - The United States DID NOT enter the European theatre during World War 2 till victory became inevitable, after the Russians crushed or captured 4/5th of the Nazi troops. With its strength reduced to 1/5th, there was absolutely no chance of German forces being able to fight on a decisive scale anymore. By the time the US military landed in France, the offensive against Nazis was almost over on the European side. The only ‘decisive’ act of the US military was perhaps supplying millions of condoms, so that their soldiers didn’t impregnate any of the 900,000 Austrian, Italian and German women they raped with impunity. Judging from the fact that most of these innocent victims were aged between 8 and 18, we can safely include that their intentions were anything but honourable.
If Europe could have survived over 5000 years of civilisations with the US never being in the picture, I am sure that it would have done so without US ‘help’ as well. The only purpose of NATO was to ‘contain’ Soviet influence, which was more in US interests than European interest. And yes, US did rebuilt Europe as per the Marshall Plan, but not in charity. All the money were paid for, upto the last dollar, adjusted for inflation. The US needed Europe for its $17 trillion market economy more than Europe needed US. It cost both France and UK their empires to pay back the crippling loan to the US, interests included. Don’t pretend that the Europeans still owe something to your glutton of a country.
Before questioning someone’s history when it is apparent that they are far more aware about than you are, please heed that suggestion yourself. Jingoism and ad hominem attacks are never good enough to compensate for being an unschooled redneck. Anyway, it is pretty pathetic of Americans to desperately keep on bragging about their “successes” in World War 2, a claim that is not only ignorant but irrelevant to this topic as well.
Frank, heard of Stalingrad? Its in the non-American history section and its where the Nazis were really defeated. By Russian soldiers. Ask a German survivor of the Kursk salient about that. Get your head out of America and smell the rest (majority) of the world.
Two nations in the world I look down upon:
First, United States.
Second, India.
The first one is hypocrite, messing around with arrogance,ignorance and strong nationalism.
The second one is good-for-nothing, having pipe dream everyday and extremely fond of boasting the national strength.
Sorry for them. The rest countries are all good.
@ WORLD PESPECTIVE
Please change your opinion about India. India’s achievements are not mere dreams but reality. We have fought 4 wars with Pakistan and have won all of them. India also liberated Bangladesh from Pakistan after the war during 1971. Each Nation has the right to talk about its achievements and we are proud to talk about our’s. The Americans came to know about terrorism only during the year 2001 but India is fighting terrorism (apart from the wars fought) for the past 25 years and had to spend huge amounts for that purpose. In China the problem of terrorism is much much less when compared with India. We can only hope that in future China will not help Pakistan/Bangladesh terrorists who are acting against India (as they had done in the past). No other country in this world would have survived if it had to face such problems like India had and would have even gone into pieces. Inspite of all this we are developing, and what you mean by rest countries are all good? Every Nation/People in this world are good but the political system is down in some countries. So don’t blame the Nations.
US-Russia nuclear conflict?..interesting but funny. Funny cos i see it rather fetched. These two countries have always (in spite of their public rhetorics and bluffing) respected and feared each other, each being aware that another hitler in our time means self anihilaton (This was clearly seen in the cuban crises of the late 60s). Its just pityful for the nations that fall in between ultimately /hopelessly biased towards one side. These countries At one time or the other during the past 50 years have achieved undoubted supremacy in military capability over the other. Most people will agree with me that during the soviet era, the US could never dream of the foreign policy which she (the present white house executives) now operate..Most think of this as the result of american “wishfull thinking” that the russians would neve be able to get back on their feet, well as we can see it was only an illusion..no wonder the US is trying as much as possible to infect Europe with this hopeless dream. (which is clearly seen with some of its policies: double standards in the kosovo/serbia question and the Geogia/Abhazia situation, expansion of NATO-as i strongly believe Europe without US intervention would not break the non-expansion agreement with Russia afte the Soviet fall). Just a pity that countries like ukraine and Geogia are being ruled by such short-sighted individuals who rather hope for salvation from a soon-coming-to-an-end imperialism thousands of miles away, than making mends with not only a benefactor nation at your door step (gas wise), but a culturally/ethnically related people. With the rate with which the russians are beginning to realize that your house is your stronghold, Europe might find herself in an awkward position if she dosent reconstruct her relationship with Russia-as we all know the intervention of the US in Europe after WW2, was to not only ensure non communist prolifiration but to ensure the strengthening of her imperialistic policies, of which they knew only the Russians threatened. Proximity should be one of the key determinants of foreign policy/relations, the earlier we all realize this the better. US should be a little restrained in their relations with Russia n China, becos even if we would like to believe that the US could defeat Russia in conflict (which is highly impossible) we (Americans) should not forget, Russia and China have a mutual defence pact wedging war with one means fighting both.
Seriously, Why can’t we all just get along?
I’m Russian…and it’s very pity that the most part of Americans and Europeans thought that we (Russia) are evil. We had never been an agressor, till the whole our great and long history, every time we only react to anyones agresstion. I wouldn’t like to tell you that we have a perfect country, as for me, i didnt even want to live here. Our goverment is awful, our economic is terrible, but people here are perfect. We don’t want to own all of the world as the USA does. we only want to live in peaceful world.
I don’t like Russy, coz russy is just a part of stool. as you know, the face of Vladimir putin look like monkey. Russy dont have capacity to make relationship with great powerful as Europe, NATO. so Russia just jealous USA and Russia remain only bad allies as China, India, Iran… so it’s show already that Russia is really weak.
Remember that, China technology and people of china are huge, so at one day, China will kick Russia out. Russia is just a shit, stool of the world.
@ Rivent, “We don’t want to own all of the world as the USA does”, we do?
It doesn’t matter who has more nuclear junk anymore, If either of these three countries goes to war you can count on mass nuclear destruction to all.
@ kris
We are humans if i know one thing it is that no matter ho hard we try there will never be peace but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to make peace.
@ Rivent
USA don’t want to rule the world it wants to make the world a better place but almost every attempt faills miserably and sometimes makes it worse.
I think Russy citizen are not bad. They are very sweet by heart. But what I feel is ” the real strength of a country does not lie in making the war but to prevent it.” I have my own opinion that we should be clear about our self that first of all person has to think about himself, then his family, then country, then continent & then world…. What says?
frank its russia who saved uk.hitler did one mistake which led him to distruction.he over estimated his power and invaded aginst russia at the same time he was fighting with uk and us.when russia retaliated.then germany lost there control.otherwise he was overpowering us and uk.its not from me.its all from a british general in a documentary on bbc.
Here are the facts
the jews idn’t steal the swiss money that doesn’t make sense
I agree with Dmitri you can only be called evil if everybody calls it evil like hitler
All you Western Europeans will come hiding under the U.S when the bombs start falling like Britain France and Canada
If Russia even hinted on attacking France or England they would cry for the U.S to help them (we would because the U.S loves to cause mayhem) please France or germany wouldn’t last a week against Russia
Germany would have done better against Russia if they weren’t fighting on two fronts. Plus the U.S had to storm Normandy so the war wasn’t over. Plus the Russians did great with Stalingrad
please add coments
irish chicago
I agree with you. No question about the great sacrifices that Russia made and their loss of millions of lives, and true fighting on two fronts made a difference for the Germans. But to underestimate the impact the US had is ridiculous, the war could not have been won without the US armed forces and the supplies and materiel the US contributed. And there is no question that without the US, Britain and France (with all due respect to their great armed forces and with respect to their alliance with the US and others) simply would not have the strength to counter a power like Russia.
i fully agree Frank the U.S and Britain had a great impact (Lets not include France). Both Russia and The U.S would have lost a lot more lives if it weren’t for the other. USA USA USA
I love how all the Canadians hate us. Well, then stay out of our country. Everytime I drive down the interstate I see a bunch of Canadians headed for Florida. Maybe as a cop, I should start stopping and finding a reason to harass them. Please, if you hate the U.S. that is fine cause I don’t care. Just stay the HELL out of my country or I will throw you out…BIATCH!!!!!
USA USA USA! IF IT WERENT FOR THIS GREAT NATION “IN GOD WE TRUST” THE WORLD WOULD BE A FAR DIFFERENT AND WORSE PLACE. I DIDNT KNOW THE CANOOKS HATED US LIKE THAT, FUCKING PUSSYS WAT HAVE YOU CONTRIBUTED TO WORLD HISTORY BESIDES MOUNTEES? ITS A SAFE BET TO SAY MAPLE SYRUP ACCOUNTS FOR 50% OF THE GDP. PUSSYS, CANADA WESTERN EUROPE ASIA AND EVEN THE THIRD WORLD ARE DEPENDENT UPON AMERICA AND YOU ARE FUCKED WITHOUT US. IMA KEEP IT REAL AMERICAN IN SAYING IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE STARS AND STRIPES FUCK YA’LL SUCK MY FUCKIN DICK AND FUCK YOUR MOTHERS. TIS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE!
I am Russian posting from Belgium, I am tired of all this pointless arguments, we should be working all together to dig for renewable energy sources right now then wage wars, which is what I am applying to study.
Whatever, USA patriots, you win! Does that make you feel better? OK ok ok US wins the war, I don’t care it’s only a statement similar to what everyone else posts, US has more than twice the population of Russia and much more money, but I hope and I can assure you that Russia has still a good defence potential to resist, probably much bigger than you would ever agree US would be willing to sacrifice in order to win this war.
Dont listen to the ignorance of captain america, but the fifference between american and the rest of the world is that bcuz the us has won a couple wars were betta than everyone else, but were not. Some countries hate us, sum like us its life. PEACE
Captain America you are a real jerk! Hopefully everyone understands that you are an absolute minority in the USA. The US is a great nation and thank God it is not due to ignorant individuals like yourself. We are not better than others we have just had the means and the opportunity to have the freedoms that many others do not have through no fault of their own. Captain if you were any kind of a person you would issue an apology for your disgraceful comments
It is interesting to see that all of the people who say “America is the strongest” and “EU/CAN would come to USA crying for help” seem to be coming from the United States.
I have lived in Europe for 18 years. I studied it. The European Union is more than capable of defending itself. Plus, the EU - Russia relations are on an excellent level, far better than USA - Russia. I don’t think there’s a threat of a Russian expansion.
In addition, here’s a shock for American patriots; did you know that Russia has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, as of today?
I would *LOVE* to see EU|US|RUS working together, but I don’t think that’s possible.
Also, the US did involve in WWII when the victory was certain. Just look at the statistics; losses, troops deployed etc.
Fellow Americans, don’t be fooled by the U.S. government propaganda!
I’m a college student at the University of Pittsburgh in the U.S. and I do have to agree with the Europeans that the U.S. did not get involved in WW II until the late stages, and there surly would have been a great chance of the allies losing the war had Russia not been involved. That said however, the same would go if the U.S. hadn’t entered. If it was just Russia, then they would have felt the full force of the German Military and the full strength of the Japanese. When it comes down to it, no one party can take credit for victory. Concerning this talk of a current war, no such thing would ever happen in this day and age. Our countries are all too economically dependent on each other for a war to break out, and everyone knows money is what makes the world go round. As to the capability of individual countries, I’m sure the U.S. is still number one, but not by as much as many people (americans) seem to believe. Others are catching up, and if it were several countries, such as Russia and China, the U.S. would probably lose, but lets hope it never comes to that. I wouldn’t say Europe has ever come crying to the U.S. for help either. We entered WW II on our own accord after being attacked by the Japanese, not because Europe was desperate. They do have a military capability of their own, and just because they don’t choose to exercise it freely doesn’t mean it’s non-existent.
As for all this commentary about U.S. standing in the world, I will say myself that the U.S. has done horrible things. Acting as world policeman has gone to our heads and made us arrogant with power, and I fully acknowledge (with despair) that we have exploited other nations time and time again (especially in middle and south america). I just hope that the people of the world don’t believe that all americans are uneducated, selfish, and hateful people. We’re really not like that, at least not my peers. The problem is the U.S. government, and those with power, just as is the case with nations like N. Korea and Iran. It’s all about wealth and power, and those in high government positions have the means to adjust foreign policy to suit their goals. Almost everyone in the Bush administration had been in the oil industry at some point of their lives (many were executives), and accordingly would have great interest in securing “unstable” regions of the Middle East if not only for their oil reserves and the potential profit that could be made, not to mention the strategic significance of having a major U.S. military presence near other peer competitors such as China and Russia. For real change to take place in the United States, the people need to become more active in their government and make a real effort for change. It is my hope that Obama will live up to his promises for governmental reform, but even if he does he would only be able to accomplish a small portion of what needs to be done, universal health care and combating corporate influence (big oil) over government are prime examples. (gay marriage would be nice too :))
I don’t want to ramble more than I already have, but I just hope that the people of the world recognize that not all americans can or should be lumped together with some of the people that have been posting here. You can’t deny that that the United States has contributed numerous scientific and cultural breakthroughs to the world, but that is no reason for arrogance. I’m hoping people will come to realize soon that in the current state of the world, working together is the only way we are going to continue to survive as a race (pray for collaboration on renewable energy)
What has the world come to… the peace we once wished for… and some still wish for cannot be acomplished if the United States is so hated. The United States has made many mistakes, this is an absolute truth, however most of our mistakes were and are of good intentions.(Most) Americans do not hate European countries-or Canada. The fact of the matter remains that if nuclear war is to break out, it won’t really matter who has the most. One the destruction has started it will breed more destruction. I apoligize for any comments in this post that may have offended others.
World War III is defenitely gonna be China & The Middle East vs United States,Europe & Russia trust me thats the way and it will happen byt eh end of the year
World War III is defenitely gonna be China & The Middle East vs United States,Europe & Russia trust me thats the way and it will happen bye the end of the year
To Rivent from Russia
It’s ridiculous to say that Russia never invaded anyone but only reacted to other’s invasion. I grew up in China, I know that although some Chinese consider Russia as a friendly neighbour, most Chinese don’t trust Russians, because of many things in the history. The most painful memory for Chinese is the 1.5 million km2 land along the northeast border taken by Russia during the Qing Dynasty, which even Lenin admitted should be returned to China. Also there was Russia joining other western powers to try to colonise China in 1800s and early 1900s. Then it was the Russians who made Mongolia independent from China (no matter what the excuse is), followed by the unpleasant relationship between China and USSR after 1949 until the collapse of USSR. Ok, I’ve said enough, for Chinese, Russians can never be really trusted. This two countries have completely different cultural and historical background. The current de facto alliance between the two is nothing more than an unfortunate choice to balance the power of the US.
What I cant understand is why everyone is arguing about the strongest of the nations. Russia is far from perfect and same with the United States. However given that the US is superior in technology and military strenght , Russia still stands as the single largest threat as it does not fall too far back. If none of you know your history well please save everyone the confusion, if the US didnt open a third front with Germany Russians would have swallowed their native tongues as they were using civilians as bullet shields for MOTHER RUSSIA. Without the vodka to vaporize the remaining brain cells of the Russians they wouldnt have even stood to fight. Hitler would have destroyed Russia without a sweat but the overwhelming three fronts he was battling spread his forces too thin and caused the crumble. I truely have nothing to gain by defending the US. I am Russian born and have family members who served in all branches of the Russian military. I have seen and heard what they are capable of and especially right now Russia shouldnt really worry about military dominance they should shift their focus on the corruption in their country which has crumbled their empire over the years. A while back Russia and Chine decided to be one and join teams like some kind of superpower but the Russians being as stupid as they were agreed to two independent nations under two similar leaderships. It wasnt only until someone NOT Russian in their government told them they are idiots and by sheer numbers the Chinese will take Russian control over elections and will turn them into one unified nation with Chinese control. Only then did Russia back down and realize how stupid they were. The US isnt perfect and believe me I wont defend its many many mistakes but at the same time its as close as we can get to being able to openly do most things without worrying about who is looking or listening. And one more thing, stop talking about nukes. The US wont need nukes to do their damage politically they will bring the rivaling nation to its knees with financial and economical damage. Maybe Russia should realize that while they can stand and fight with whatever ancient weaponry they have they will come to their knees once they have no economic support and no available reinforcement. What they should really worry about is the growing threat of China. With more than ten million active duty military personnel and an economic structure to support war for decades China will (in a non nuclear war) destroy Russia. After so many years I would think Russia would learn its lesson that muscle wont work in this war of politics. Putin was their hero and he could only do so much in his terms as president. Why they didnt extend the presidency term and why Putin didnt sit back on his throne still baffles me. Medvedev which was appointed by Putin is considering running away from his position which would probably be for the best as all he is doing is building strong economic ties and making strong economic relations with countries that they dont fully understand. If shit hits the fan only then will we see true dominance, for all of our sake no matter where we are from and what origin we are lets hope that day never comes or else all humanity will cease to exist, no more USA no more semi communist motherland and no more panda express.
Are you a fool? Your sayign Russia will merge into China??? Yo buddy they arent friends and especially their people. Also abotu the second world war. when did American open front in Europe? 1944?? please tell me where the Russian army was at that time? Id love to hear how americans saved the day. Also 80%-90% of all german casualties military and civilian were caused on the eastern front. Also abotu the bullet sponges. When it is a desperate time peopel create desperate solutions. Also please stop watching movies and read some soldiers diaries and biblographies and youl know what the war was like. Also do you knwo what wuld hapen with a war with china? sorry man china would be a burnign coal from so much nuclear discharge. SO dude keep your opinions to yourself and how abotu you show me some numbers to back your bs up. and please not from http://www.somebs.com
On to topic. Russia has the topol system which is mobile which is always a plus. owever teh shere number of missles on both sides creates so much flyign metal that even an extra 50 missles on any side woudlent change anything.
Respected People, please do not waste time & help a poor who is starving. He might be sitting next door & please don’t explore his nationality.
I read all of the above comments and their counter comments. I think we would be doing the greatest disservice to humanity if we did not allow all to live the way they like to live. It is man’s folly to try to play the arbiter of another’s fate. Nothing remains forever! Romans,Egyptians, Chinese(Ancients),Indians,Aztecs and Greeks all have vanished but Man as a Specie has survived because he knew how to adjust with his world although sometimes very difficult. So we must not talk of enemities rather we must be talking the language of peace and justice for all. USA must learn that it can not educate the world. The Doctrine of Actions bear the same fruits to Individuals as well as to the Nations.