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		<title>By: Frank Li</title>
		<link>http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/defend-china-with-sensible-patriotism#comment-50431</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mike on "The Sept/2001 attacks were terrorism"

Don't you think that the US had it coming for years before the 911 attack? Truth be told, the US has been sticking its fat nose into business that does not concern it for quite a while now, so sooner or later someone was bound to shock the US a little for thinking that it has the right and power to dictate others at will. And as a side comment, I really wished that the victims of non-US nationalities could have been sparred from the 9/11 attack, but I do not feel any sadness for the US citizens that did not survive the attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mike on &#8220;The Sept/2001 attacks were terrorism&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that the US had it coming for years before the 911 attack? Truth be told, the US has been sticking its fat nose into business that does not concern it for quite a while now, so sooner or later someone was bound to shock the US a little for thinking that it has the right and power to dictate others at will. And as a side comment, I really wished that the victims of non-US nationalities could have been sparred from the 9/11 attack, but I do not feel any sadness for the US citizens that did not survive the attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Li</title>
		<link>http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/defend-china-with-sensible-patriotism#comment-50430</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mike,
This made me realize that the more important issue than Tibet or Iraq is blind Nationalism for ones country"

How is Iraq a blind nationalism for one's country, China has proper justification for taking Tibet back, because Tibet has been a part of China for hundreds of years, so you might have noticed why Chinese takes offense and anger when you say that we are "attacking" Tibet to suppress human rights movements in Tibet. One the other hand, the US had not right to invade Iraq whatsoever, the justification the US government was to stop Iraq's plan of weapons of mass destruction into motion, what weapons of mass destruction? Show me proof that this bullshit of a scapegoat idea (because that's what it is, so I am not apologetic about the use of language) is even real for for the US to illegally invade Iraq and steal its oil along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mike,<br />
This made me realize that the more important issue than Tibet or Iraq is blind Nationalism for ones country&#8221;</p>
<p>How is Iraq a blind nationalism for one&#8217;s country, China has proper justification for taking Tibet back, because Tibet has been a part of China for hundreds of years, so you might have noticed why Chinese takes offense and anger when you say that we are &#8220;attacking&#8221; Tibet to suppress human rights movements in Tibet. One the other hand, the US had not right to invade Iraq whatsoever, the justification the US government was to stop Iraq&#8217;s plan of weapons of mass destruction into motion, what weapons of mass destruction? Show me proof that this bullshit of a scapegoat idea (because that&#8217;s what it is, so I am not apologetic about the use of language) is even real for for the US to illegally invade Iraq and steal its oil along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Li</title>
		<link>http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/defend-china-with-sensible-patriotism#comment-50428</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all those anti-Chines people who don't have a clue of the Chinese-Tibetan situation or even what Tibet is, the fact is, Tibet has been a part of China for the last couple hundreds of years, check any historical map to confirm this, or I have to explain to you what a map is as well?, and observe the situation from a broader perspective instead of your anti-Chinese biased and tainted media sources and then take a stand on the Chinese-Tibetan situation. So do you think that you might be somewhat of a racist, biased, uncultured, moronic unevolutionized pieces of trash (rhetorical question, in case your dimwitted brains are thinking out loud)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those anti-Chines people who don&#8217;t have a clue of the Chinese-Tibetan situation or even what Tibet is, the fact is, Tibet has been a part of China for the last couple hundreds of years, check any historical map to confirm this, or I have to explain to you what a map is as well?, and observe the situation from a broader perspective instead of your anti-Chinese biased and tainted media sources and then take a stand on the Chinese-Tibetan situation. So do you think that you might be somewhat of a racist, biased, uncultured, moronic unevolutionized pieces of trash (rhetorical question, in case your dimwitted brains are thinking out loud)?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been reading on this Tibet issue quite a bit for the past year, and I'll have to say that a lack of insight into Chinese history/culture is the main problem.

Tibet has been officially part of China for 600 years since the Ming Dynasty, before there was this thing called USA. And 100 or so years ago in China's Qing Dynasty, when China is at its weakest, the British tried to expand its interest in the far east by pushing its army towards Tibet from India. The Qing army was no match and forcefully recognised Tibet's "independence". This was not recognised by the former ROC government nor the current PRC government. Correct me on the dates as I can't be bothered looking it up again.

So when a large chunk of western media portrayed the Chinese government as the evil commies that swallowed a friendly neighbour, Tibet, anger was invoked in the average Chinese citizens as well as those outside of China who have better knowledge of the Tibet situation. This ignorance of history by many western media added to the fuel of extreme Chinese nationalism.

The Chinese have a very strong sense of Unity, and values it more than most people could imagine. For example, in traditional Chinese culture, "four generation under the same roof" is seen as bliss. Meaning great grand parent, sons and sons wives, grandchildren, and great grandchildren all living in the one building. Whilst in most western culture, "if you are 18, you are outta here". This difference in culture I believe is also a huge contributor to the misunderstanding in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading on this Tibet issue quite a bit for the past year, and I&#8217;ll have to say that a lack of insight into Chinese history/culture is the main problem.</p>
<p>Tibet has been officially part of China for 600 years since the Ming Dynasty, before there was this thing called USA. And 100 or so years ago in China&#8217;s Qing Dynasty, when China is at its weakest, the British tried to expand its interest in the far east by pushing its army towards Tibet from India. The Qing army was no match and forcefully recognised Tibet&#8217;s &#8220;independence&#8221;. This was not recognised by the former ROC government nor the current PRC government. Correct me on the dates as I can&#8217;t be bothered looking it up again.</p>
<p>So when a large chunk of western media portrayed the Chinese government as the evil commies that swallowed a friendly neighbour, Tibet, anger was invoked in the average Chinese citizens as well as those outside of China who have better knowledge of the Tibet situation. This ignorance of history by many western media added to the fuel of extreme Chinese nationalism.</p>
<p>The Chinese have a very strong sense of Unity, and values it more than most people could imagine. For example, in traditional Chinese culture, &#8220;four generation under the same roof&#8221; is seen as bliss. Meaning great grand parent, sons and sons wives, grandchildren, and great grandchildren all living in the one building. Whilst in most western culture, &#8220;if you are 18, you are outta here&#8221;. This difference in culture I believe is also a huge contributor to the misunderstanding in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: SmarterOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmarterOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I write my comments I'd like to clear one thing - m not anti-china but on the contrary pro-china as majority of indians are(contrary to popular belief). Also plz read my comments with an open mind. I do not want to point fingers nor m i suggesting nething. jst making a neutral comparison of the comments.

I'd just like to elaborate on the comments a few of my chinese frnds made abt unification &#38; "chinese need not be preached by the west" &#38; d like.
If you have a goal for unification, its perfectly fine but tht doesnt mean u dont consider wt the tibetans &#38; the taiwanese want. If they dont want to be with you why force them. Why does the logic of "the west shud not preach china" hold true here? Bcoz by the same logic chinese also have no right to preach nething to the tibetans &#38; the taiwanese. 
On the contrary if the unification logic justifies everything, then China shud also support tht India shud get to decide where Kashmir goes &#38; not the kashmiris (no offence to my kashmiri frnds, m jst making a point here).
It cannot be one thing for one country &#38; another thing for another one. We all as citizens of our respective countries have a right to be nationalistic but also at the same time respect the right of others as regard to their respective country. There are ills &#38; evils in every region &#38; as a nationalist we shud fight to eradicate them. It also holds true that the west at times has a distorted view of things in the east. They want to see things here in the western perspective. But that doesnt hold true for the east as it is very-2 different. It has a very different value system as compared to the west &#38; the west shud respect it.
For example calling someone a monkey in the west is racist but here it is meant to be naughty n' funny. So if "harbhajan" calls "symonds" a monkey it is not at all racist in the east but is enough to ban "harbhajan" for 3 tests in the west.
@ Tallen Lu
Agreed defending ones homeland is truly honourable. but dont u think tht holds true for Tibetans &#38; Taiwanese too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I write my comments I&#8217;d like to clear one thing - m not anti-china but on the contrary pro-china as majority of indians are(contrary to popular belief). Also plz read my comments with an open mind. I do not want to point fingers nor m i suggesting nething. jst making a neutral comparison of the comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to elaborate on the comments a few of my chinese frnds made abt unification &amp; &#8220;chinese need not be preached by the west&#8221; &amp; d like.<br />
If you have a goal for unification, its perfectly fine but tht doesnt mean u dont consider wt the tibetans &amp; the taiwanese want. If they dont want to be with you why force them. Why does the logic of &#8220;the west shud not preach china&#8221; hold true here? Bcoz by the same logic chinese also have no right to preach nething to the tibetans &amp; the taiwanese.<br />
On the contrary if the unification logic justifies everything, then China shud also support tht India shud get to decide where Kashmir goes &amp; not the kashmiris (no offence to my kashmiri frnds, m jst making a point here).<br />
It cannot be one thing for one country &amp; another thing for another one. We all as citizens of our respective countries have a right to be nationalistic but also at the same time respect the right of others as regard to their respective country. There are ills &amp; evils in every region &amp; as a nationalist we shud fight to eradicate them. It also holds true that the west at times has a distorted view of things in the east. They want to see things here in the western perspective. But that doesnt hold true for the east as it is very-2 different. It has a very different value system as compared to the west &amp; the west shud respect it.<br />
For example calling someone a monkey in the west is racist but here it is meant to be naughty n&#8217; funny. So if &#8220;harbhajan&#8221; calls &#8220;symonds&#8221; a monkey it is not at all racist in the east but is enough to ban &#8220;harbhajan&#8221; for 3 tests in the west.<br />
@ Tallen Lu<br />
Agreed defending ones homeland is truly honourable. but dont u think tht holds true for Tibetans &amp; Taiwanese too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tallen Lu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tallen Lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Chinese American. I think defending your homeland is truly honrable. Free Tibet=bullshit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Chinese American. I think defending your homeland is truly honrable. Free Tibet=bullshit</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>makes "scence"??!?? I meant makes sense... Remind me not to drink alcohalic beverages before posting on an intellectual blog ; )....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>makes &#8220;scence&#8221;??!?? I meant makes sense&#8230; Remind me not to drink alcohalic beverages before posting on an intellectual blog ; )&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sun
I completely understand what you are saying now. Makes scence. Thanks again. I really appreciate your analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sun<br />
I completely understand what you are saying now. Makes scence. Thanks again. I really appreciate your analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah this is a really good article. I could not have put it better myself. Completely gives a good backing of both sides of argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah this is a really good article. I could not have put it better myself. Completely gives a good backing of both sides of argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Von de Mosselar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Von de Mosselar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a person from America sacrifices himself, he becomes a hero. When a person from the middle east does that to prevent his mother from being raped, brother dying, or father losing an arm, he becomes portrayed as a terrorist. For Americans and their sidekicks, life is not worth living if it isn't done the American way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a person from America sacrifices himself, he becomes a hero. When a person from the middle east does that to prevent his mother from being raped, brother dying, or father losing an arm, he becomes portrayed as a terrorist. For Americans and their sidekicks, life is not worth living if it isn&#8217;t done the American way.</p>
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