Tell me honestly, is it possible to lead a day to day life less than $1 dollar in europe & USA? Our cost of living is high compare to India. it means, we give more price than what the indian give to the same products.

I also started one initiative to analyze situations in India on my blog IndiaInvestigaed.blogspot.com

There is no doubt that India’s GDP is above a trillion dollars, which shows that money is flowing into the country. But since India’s population is so huge, the amount of money that flows into the country and is used for the people, gets diluted. That does not mean that the living standards in the country are not improving. A lot is being done for the poor, but the only difference is, that its taking too much time. And there is nothing that can be done about it, since the wealth has to be spread equally.

The middle class in India is improving. Also, the living standards of the poor have improved. A lot has been done to displace the slum dwellers to places more habitable. Bombay has plans about the slum dwellers, and houses are being built for the people outside Bombay. The same goes for New Delhi.

Therefore, with a population as large as this, I wouldn’t call it fair to expect changes in such a short time. Changes will surface only ten years down the line. Besides, the authorities in India have to face a lot of challenges while implementing their changes, owing to the cultural conservationism present among the people - especially poor.

I think you’re being too immature to have used words like that in your response. The analysis of India becoming a superpower within years from now is not a result of dreaming in the first place. The analysis was made by some of the world’s leading governing and other international bodies.

Moreover, India being one of the nations expected to become a superpower is depicted in the current shift in American policies towards India and Pakistan. The upcoming Indo - US nuclear deal is a fit example of how much America recognises India’s rising military and economic might.

Moreover, it is absolutely absurd to believe that 1 billion of India’s ‘1.2′ billion people are poor. It is an ill informed comment.

“” There are over 200 million in India who are ‘middle class’ out of an estimated 1129 million population, which means the situation is not as bad in India as it might sound.”"
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Mr.Aby do you want to know where India stands these days regarding hunger, poverty, starvation, women abusing bla bla and bla……..etc…, you should listen to Nobel Laureate, an eminent welfare economist and author of The Argumentative Indian Amartya Sen, according to him,” India had buffer stocks exceeding 60 million tonnes and beside that somewhere between 220-300 million people went to bed on an empty stomach, every night”
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–ASIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION asking for aid to serve the hunger people, because people in Indian these days dying of Hunger…www.ahrchk.net/pub/mainfile.php/endangered_humanity/233/
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According to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in India a third of 1.1 billion people live on less than $1 a day, according to the World Bank.
http://southasia.oneworld.net/article/view/133388/1/2245
while the World Bank estimates more than half of India’s 1.1 billion people still live on less than $1 a day.
—-www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601013&refer=emergingmarkets&sid=arva33znhDMs
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HUNGER ALERT (India): Children dying of starvation
—-www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2006/1884/
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Dear Aby, its not my intension to criticize your post but as its a neutral forum and everyone has the right to present his views etc…However, I do believe in fair discussion and I always believe in established facts and figures not on predictions or assumptions. I request you to correct your figures….

Size of economy matters…india is not as bad as its per capita (real terms) makes it look like. And i am not going to PPP*..cause India still purchases mush of its military technology from the global market so real terms makes sense there..however in other strategic domains for instance space exploration and remote sensing india has a substantial indigenous development so PPP comes into play….in PPP terms check india’s rank its pretty good i should say…like 3 rd largest huh…

Superpower not yet…when will we make it ??? provided we get into NSG (nuclear suppliers group)’s good books and russia gives us some pipe lines…in a decade..
When will we eradicate poverty?? oh come oooonnn its easy to ask questions…

And one more thing can the paki’s please shut up…ooops had to do that indians never miss a chance to have a go at our neighbors…all harmless sibling rivalry..

*ppp - purchase power parity

Bilal Bhai…I read your posts in Pak-India military balance which were full of facts and figures, however,I would love to see some more from you on Indian economy.

Zeeshan Junaid
Karachi,Pakistan

“Indian businesses are rated as the most corrupt in the world for bribery, according to a new report by Transparency International”

“India, with a score of 8.90, and Indonesia, which got a grade of 9.25, rounded up the worst performers”

Kid, its not my intension to critisize your country,however you should keep in mind that if Pakistan is a poor country ,India is the poorest and most corrupt…Bear in mind…

Source:-
—–singapore-window.org/sw04/040304a1.htm

——thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2006/10/09/stories/2006100900640800.htm

——-littleindia.com/news/128/ARTICLE/1374/2006-11-12.html

——–expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=82891

—–hinduonnet.com/2004/10/21/stories/2004102108861100.htm

A-Lets start from Poverty
The prosperity of every country is linked to its people, living of people, their shelter their livelyhood etc.It’s unfortunate to say that India is one among those countries which shelters more than 400 million who’s living under poverty elevation.
According to Amartya Sen a Nobel Laureate, an eminent welfare economist and the author of “The Argumentative Indian””
“Somewhere between 220-300 million people went to bed on an empty stomach, every night”
—-rediff.com/money/2007/apr/26amartya.htm
—-moneycontrol.com/india/news/politics/hunger-isquiet-violence-amartya-sen/176023

“ASIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION asking for aid to serve the hunger people, because people in Indian these days dying of Hunger”
—- ahrchk.net/pub/mainfile.php/endangered_humanity/233/

According to the assessment of World Bank “ more than half of India’s 1.1 billion people still live on less than $1 a day”
—-bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601013&refer=emergingmarkets&sid=arva33znhDMs

However, your economist Prime Minister Manmohan Singh claim is very much optimistic, he claimed, in India a third of 1.1 billion people live on less than $1 a day. What Manmohan singh wanted to say is 40% of Indian population earns less than 40 rupess.I leave you to decide who’s right?
—-southasia.oneworld.net/article/view/133388/1/2245

“HUNGER ALERT (India): Children dying of starvation”
—-ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2006/1884/

“Dying of Hunger in a land of surplus”
“found grass. And so for most of the summer, the village’s 60 households got by eating sama - a fodder normally given to cattle”
—-guardian.co.uk/GWeekly/Story/0,3939,843366,00.html

“18 Musahar families are dying of starvation”
—-worldproutassembly.org/archives/2007/04/hunger_alert_in.html

“How poor is India? Some startling statistics have just been released by a forgotten wing of Dr Singh’s own administration, the National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector. Around 80 per cent of India’s working population is in this sector. Nearly 80 per cent of this group earns less than 20 rupees a day and 85 per cent of this sub group is trapped in debt. By that usual sleight of hand we have drawn an arbitrary line to define poverty: Rs 12 a day constitutes the poverty line. This encourages the illusion that 77 per cent of India is now above the poverty line. It isn’t that much above in any case. Nor is this poverty line index-linked to inflation. Twelve rupees a day buys much less today than it did three years ago. The traditional poverty groups remain where they were: 88 per cent of Scheduled Tribes and Castes, 80 per cent of “Other Backward Classes” and 85 per cent of Muslims belong to the “poor and vulnerable” class.”
M. J. Akbar is Editor-in-Chief of the Asian Age and Deccan Chronicle newspapers. He can be reached at mjakbar@asianage.com,
—-khaleejtimes.com/ColumnistHomeNew.asp?section=mjakbar&col=yes

B-Asia’s most corrupt nation
For more details read my on 21 Feb 2008 at 7:41 am post.

C-Persecution of its minorities on the name of Religion
For details see my on 23 Feb 2008 at 3:24 pm post in —- abytheliberal.com/military/india-pakistan-military-strength
—-indianterrorism.bravepages.com/gujarat%20pictures%202.htm

D-White Widows: 40-50, million women ostracized from society and incarcerated in temples. These widows are sold as prostitutes to earn their keep quite oftenly. They are not allowed to touch any normal being and their shadow is considered a bad omen.
—- widowsofvrindavan.blogspot.com/
—-news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1795564.stm
—-kalgidharsociety.org/cause/cause.asp

E-Dalits Eek out a Sub Human Living in India
Between 150 to 250 million Dalits or Untouchables live in utter sub-human conditions. A population as large as the United States lives in conditions that are below and worse off than that of Sub Saharan Africa. The dalit websites shed some light on the plight of the Dalits.
“In the Indian caste system, a Dalit, often called an untouchable, or an outcaste, is a person who according to traditional Hindu belief does not have any “varnas“. Varna refers to the Hindu belief that most humans were supposedly created from different parts of the body of the divinity Purusha. The part from which a varna was supposedly created defines a person’s social status with regard to issues such as whom they may marry and which professions they may holdDalits fall outside the varnas system and have historically been prevented from doing any but the most menial jobs. (However, a distinction must be made between lower-caste people and Pariahs.) Included are leather-workers (called chamar), carcass handlers (called mahar),poor farmers and landless laborers, night soil scavengers (called bhangior chura), street handicrafters, folk artists, street cleaners, dhobi, etc. Traditionally, they were treated as pariahs in South Asiansociety and isolated in their own communities, to the point that even their shadows were avoided by the upper castes. Discrimination against Dalits still exists in rural areas in the private sphere, in ritual matters such as access to eating places and water sources. It has largely disappeared, however, in urban areas and in the public sphere, in rights of movement and access to schools The earliest rejection of discrimination, at least in spiritual matters, was made as far back as the Bhagavada Gita, which says that no person, no matter what, is barred from enlightenment. Even early Indian texts such as the Rig Veda discourage the abuse of outcastes. The text reads, “Indra, you lifted up the outcast who was oppressed, you have glorified the blind and the lame.” (Rg-Veda 2:13:12There are an estimated 160 million Dalits in India.”
—-en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_caste_system

F- Muslims
There are more than 150 million Muslim citizens living in India as third rate citizens.
” Muslims constitute 25.2 per cent of the population of West Bengal, but have only 2.1 per cent of state government jobs. Kerala, which has almost the same percentage of Muslims (24.7 per cent), has given 10.4 per cent of state government jobs to the community. Assam’s ratio is similar: 30.9 per cent and 11.2 per cent. Bihar does better: it gives 7.6 per cent of state jobs to Muslims, who add up to 16.5 per cent of the population. Andhra Pradesh has the best record: 9.2 per cent of the population and 8.8 per cent of jobs. Uttar Pradesh, despite leaders who claim to be more-secular-than-thou has given only 5.1 per cent of state government jobs to an 18.5 per cent population. The situation is no better when it comes to health and education indices.”

E- Freedom movements in India
1-Kashmir
Don’t want to discuss it in details, we know,world knows what Indian army is doing in Kashmir.More than 100,000 people have been massacred and more than that nos are missing and displaced by India authorities.
—-kmsnews.org/databank/Freedom%20Struggle/kms%20articles/new/History%20demands%20Kashmir’s%20early%20resolution%202007.htm
—-kashmir.wordpress.com/2007/02/13/the-largest-daemon-cracy/
—- amnesty.org/

2- Punjab
Sikhs Khalistan movement for liberation of eastern Punjab.What Indian army done to the innocents of Golden temple, world had witnessed that event.According to general accepted figures more than 5000 Sikhs were perished during the bluestar operation.However,freedom struggle is still going on…See
—- roadtokhalistan.blogspot.com/

3-Tamil Nadu and Mizuram are in flames seeking independence
—- geocities.com/tamiltribune/98/0902.html
—- geocities.com/tamiltribune/98/0701.html
—- www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/09tamil.htm
—- satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/tripura/terrorist_outfits/attf.htm
—- tamilnation.org/conflictresolution/countrystudies/nagaland/030221taraki.htm

4-Tamil insurrection in Sri Lanka led by Tamils Terrorists in India
5-Bihar: Major suppression of Biharis and problems with Bangladesh
6-West Bengal in Communist hands fueling Naxalites.
7-Muslim genocide in Gujrat
World witnessed the killing of more than 5000 Muslims in Gujrat by fanatic hindu terrorists linked to chief minister of Gujrat Nirander Moodi.In Gujrat riots more than 3000 were burnt alive by Hindu fanatics.” Indian officials and police were directly involved in killing hundreds of Muslims during violent riots in the western Indian state of Gujarat over the past two months, the U.S. group Human Rights Watch said in a report”
—-findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDQ/is_2002_May_6/ai_85519980
—- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence
—- goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-1642914_ITM
—-youtube.com/watch?v=cbaoYlxK340 (Must see this video)
—- thenation.com/doc/20020930/baldwin20020916 (Must visit this link what was done to Muslim girls during riots by Hindu terrorists)

Conclusion:-India is a failed state for failing to provide food shelter and clothing,security to her citizens.while on another hand freedom struggle in nine provinces are on full scale which will certainly take place and soon world will see a different India by will of God.

Indian government can not hide truth from his citizens that India is in fact a failed state.

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.(Socrates)

@ Mel
Grow up Kid…………………

Just check at the growth rate of Indian GDP!!! … Do you have any idea of the amount of exports india does yearly ? common baby show me the facts as you are very good in copy and paste job!!!

Now show me the facts of Indias Industries , exports(you will cry now) , inflation rates (compared to pakistans) … common you can do it !! I hope you know how to search good things about india… do it once !! And you will be ashmed of yourself….

About the poor people !!! Check the facts of UK and US poor people!! or any other developed country

Every country has its own pros and cons !!!! so just don’t say on the brink of failed state !!! .. india has seen poor people from hundreds of years !! Nothing has happenned to india otherthan improvement!!!

Aswell as Pakistan is concern, on all forums I never said/claimed that Pakistan is an another Switzerland but a developing nation, however the way you Indians present Pakistan its totally against the reality and prejudice.Thats why I always request to Indians that for God sake stick to the topic and don’t haggle around. There is nothing in pulling each other legs, but everytime your kinsmen cross the limits and became so aggressive and abusive against our mother Land-Pak-land for nothing,and if they keep doing this,I’m afraid Pak-Land bears such souls ,whom can rebuttle.
I would apologize If my above said comments have hurted you.

Sincerely Yours

You are moderate. Please look around more you will bump into a lot of your country men who fall the earlier category. And you might be interested to know, india has many independent media channels none oppressed by the state, there is no propaganda hear the population is well aware of the situation prevalent in the country. You might get to see such institutions after a civil elected govt comes to power in pak. I must admit that it pretty refreshing to read a little vindictive yet rationale comment from the other side of the border.

thank you for telling us what we are and what not.

now i want to ask you a question
1.Why do you think India cant be a economic superpower?
2.Do you think Pakistan can ever reach where India has?

Atleast INDIA has made others to talk about it as a economic superpower…
but i would like to ask you have you ever seen a forum or article saying….
PAKISTAN AS AN ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER.
I think you have never heard this line, this itself explains a lot.

You remind me of those Christian evangelists who talk a bunch of crap. Sure, some of what you say is factual, of which most is yet blown out of proportion in a gross attempt to justify your claims. Of course, in your case, what would be a better term? Islamic cleric? Yes, probably so, since the term “Islamic fundamentalist” is far too broad, and often misused. India is not a failed state. Failed states do not become major economic powerhouses. They do have maintain one of the most disciplined armed forces of this world, though on this account, Pakistani special operations forces are on par with their Indian counterparts. The conventional forces of Pakistan are UHL—that is, Under Hopeless Level. This list is not exclusive and I hope you figured as much. This has been made obvious in the numerous wars that have already been fought over the years. Of course, we can get uptight on national sentiments, but I’d be ashamed to cite statistical data if I were a Pakistani too; and national sentiments serve no purpose in an academic debate because they tend to deviate from facts. There are numerous problems in India—I don’t deny that—but by comparison, the problems that Pakistan faces are unbelievably worse. I’m going to let you—and perhaps other readers as well—ponder on it before commenting.

1. India’s literacy rate was 65.5 % officially in 2000, which is expected to reach 77-79 % by 2011 & 90%+ by 2020.
There are atleast 12 states out of 28 which are already having literacy more then 74 % currently.
1 Mizoram 91.1
2 Kerala 89.9
3 Goa 83.3
4 Himachal Pradesh 81.3
5 Tripura 80.2
6 Maharashtra 77.6
7 Sikkim 76.6
8 Manipur 76.5
9 Assam 76.3
10 Uttaranchal 75.7
11 Tamil Nadu 74.2
12 Punjab 74
Still india has to do alot to improve its literacy.

2. Total 23-24 % people are living below poverty line, which is expected to reach 19-20 % in 2011 and 9-10 % in 2020 (which is being envisaged by many indians and that will be a great leap to eradicate poverty).

it was 36% in 1993-1994, 26.1% in 1999-2000.

3. India is such a diverse nation of race, language, culture & religion which is second most diverse land on earth after africa, India sustained this diversity and progressed alot. Still we are united as a nation, there was not a single instace of military coup or social unrest like our neighbour.

4. 5-8 % scientist working in NASA are indians and countless IT professionals. Almost 60,000 Indian physicians practice in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia—a workforce equal to 10 percent of the physicians in India and the largest émigré physician workforce in the world.

5. We have a systematic democratic process of selecting our leaders, altough sometimes it causes some problem in getting pace with progress but democracy has deep roots in india.
This creates an environment of peace and properity.

6. There are several indian cos working very well and earning lot of money and respect for country. In IT and software area there are many indian companies who are competing with world’s best. An Indian company has recently acquired giants like Jaguar and Land Rover of UK. India has become the back office of most of the Europe and USA.

(There are 4 indians in Forbes list of billionaires, this actually doesnt project the whole picture but shows the strength of nation on economic front).

7. India has been doing great on economic growth front which is now more then US $1 trillion (2008), witnessing more than 8 % of growth for last 10 years.

I can see lot of potential here and forsee india doing very good on economic front by 2020.

India’s GDP (nominal) was only 700 billion dollars in 2005, but in about 3 yrs the GDP doubled to 1.33 trillion dollars (as of sept 2008) due to sustained growth rate of 8 to 9.5% for 3 to 4 yrs

India’s GDP (nominal) as of sep2008 is 1.33 trillion dollars (10 largest economy) and GDP (PPP) is 5.41 trillion dollars (3rd largest economy).

china opened its economy in 1979, while india in 1991. But still india will overtake chinese economy in 10 to 15 yrs.

1. China’s economy is a physical labour economy with no focus on entrepreneurship , innovation and rural education

2. Even though india attracts less Foreign direct investments than china, india’s growth rate is only 1 to 2% less than china’s growth rate. It is because china’s growth is due to massive accumulation of resources, while india’s growth is due to increasing efficiency.

a. India’s entrepreneurs are on war footing to acquire foreign businesses. Eg Take over of Land Rover and Jaguar by TATA and arcelor by Mittal steel (he is an indian even though based in the UK). Just shows the mindset of indians and the chinese.

b. china’s automobile industry is a disaster, but india is able to make cheap and efficient cars for its own citizens and people abroad. TATA nano.

3. China’s 70% banks are bankrupt due to unused loans. Stock market is a disaster.

4. China buys US debts so that the US dollar does not go down and chinese workers don’t go home without work. It will not help china’s crumbling financial sector.

5. India on the other hand encourages home grown businesses, at the same time FDIs in high tech areas are soaring high. India also invests heavily on rural education who can take the economy to a new level

6. Made in china does not mean made by china. All its major products are from Foreign direct investment companies in china, except common consumer goods like T shirts and other marketable goods.

but as a chinese I would say your nation cares more about the riches and better-off than those of the poors despite of your demoncratic title.

The hard simple truce is that in china there is no caste system and our average education year is over 8.5 years, that is to say, most working people in china at least have a middle school degree, and the majority of the young people have a high school degree.

Albeit your college maybe better than us, and your IT field is more advanced, but you can easily see china by focusing on the mass education and social reform provide a more free and competive society to further the industial revolution.

But in india, only a small portion of people benefit from your information progress.

And keep in mind, chinese are more free than india not because our political freedom but because our social freedom, especially in rural area.

Sometimes, old culture and believe is a more terrible chain than the law in a police state.

first your wallet—as many other nations

second your academic level—-that the east asia tradition

third your political power–as many other nations

There is No concerns about your skin color, blood and birth place.

And if you re reasonable enough, you can see that all three status can be changed or acquired by your hard working and talent.

However, as far as I konw, india there is a ralatively clear line of skin color when you examine the wealth of the population. And as far as one india commentator told me, indian, especially in rural area, would take caste as a vital factor in marriage and communication. And there are countless evidence indicat that both religious confliction and sexual & caste discrimination are still very rampt in the rural area.

I take it for granted that you are a city dweller so you can see indian city is relatively free of all this curses. However,do you realize the bulk of india is consisted of famers and if they are not socially free how can you claim indian is freer than chinese.

You know why most chinese still love Mao, despite his culture revolution, despite of the great starvation. The reason is simple , because he disentangle the our old culture and social classes by an unmerciful iron hand. So from his time all the poor chinese farmer can hold up their head and bow to no one simply for the sake of social status. And from his time, the compulsory basic education system give every poor famer child a chance to level himslef to the height of his city contemporary. Now as I state before, the 9 year education in china is free and covers over 92% of the youth, therefore our citizen’s average education year is more than 8.5 years. And because we build roads and factories, those untalented youth can still have a route to raise their social status by hard working.

consider the illiteracy rate in indian, Do you really believe a poor indian farmer child have the same opportunity enjoyed by a poor chinese farmer child ?

Do you really believe a indian farmer can find a better job than their chinsese collegues?

Do you really believe a lower class indian is more socially free than a chinese( we do not have caste so I don know whom to compare?)

And mind you the both india and china has sexual discrimination in rural area, but because of Culture revolution, the chinese women’s social status in rural area witness a significant rise. Therefore, you can see why the women literacy rate and women work rate is much higher in china.

I didn’t respond to your education-related post about India because I mostly agreed to you. Then you took a turn for the absurd. Tell me, which internet sites are the Chinese allowed to surf, because in India, there aren’t a lot of restrictions and I’ll clarify: in China, most sites are restricted or screened; in India, a few harmful sites are restricted or screened. This is one of many examples. I agree with G.Vinod that the caste system is too thoroughly ingrained to be removed in a very short period of time, though that’s not for any lack of effort. I am a village boy; many villages are progressive, contrary to popular belief. This has nothing to do with social freedoms. You mention Mao; the fact that he’s still liked is an emotional appeal issue, not a practical one.

You can’t look at the past and not criticize it; the past will never be as good as present. But you ought to realize that China has progressed in (a) space exploration; (b) economy; (c) nuclear proliferation; (d) I can’t think of anything else.

Now, for faulty comparisons: do you think a Chinese farmer can compete with a U.S. farmer? Under EVERY scenario, the American would outdo the Chinese. Although the Chinese do not a caste system, they have one child rule (for reasons I understand, but still is ethically wrong), they have a dictatorship. I want to bring up the idea of autonomy. India has a lot of autonomy; China has few to none. This explains why more Chinese emigrate, as opposed to Indians, though the numbers on both ends is staggering.

@ Internationalist: “But you ought to realize that China has progressed in (a) space exploration; (b) economy; (c) nuclear proliferation; (d) I can’t think of anything else.”

There aren’t many fields of development where China stands far behind India, we are not talking of political ideals here but actual national development. A real comparison between China’s and India’s infrastructure and quality of living makes the difference quite obvious. No offence meant to Indians, but when you scratch below the surface, the real India greatly resembles an impoverished African nation.

@ Internationalist: “I want to bring up the idea of autonomy. India has a lot of autonomy; China has few to none. This explains why more Chinese emigrate, as opposed to Indians, though the numbers on both ends is staggering.”

It does not explain anything. The idea that people emigrate for political ideals like autonomy and democracy is fantastic and typically American. Most people in India or China, who immigrate to other countries don’t do it for political ideals but for personal economic goals (i.e. money). Your claim that more Chinese emigrate as compared to Indians is once again, false or inaccurate. Try bringing up the numbers for instance, to back up your argument. You’d find Indians outnumber Chinese emigration in almost every country they emigrate to and more. Shall we follow you line of reasoning and blame it on democracy?

India, because the interwined interests group behind the caste system, your weak government can only use economical means to slowly melting down it. this procedure may took 7-8 decades to take effect. However, the caste system on the other hand would significantly draging down your economical progress and the procedure may took even longer.

That may be the different mind sets of Indian and Chinese. Although I completely appreciate your tolarance and patients but for me it is a crime such system and belief is elongated one more day.
Because man has only 80 years of life and if the old discrimination and obstacle wasn t removed in china 40 years ago, my father would not have the slightest chance to marry my mother and became a professer in University.

Therefore, If shoot a few hundred and ‘brain wash” a few thousand would eliminate the caste, I would not oppose if I were indian.( maybe too chinese style)

All in all, god bless both india and china

another point i want to make is that though caste system is prevalent in india ,still there is no way caste system will ever end It is a way of giving identity to people it is like giving surnames to people in india.the main thing that has to be changed is the wrong ethics related to it and believe me the scenario is changing pretty fast discrimination based on caste are less seen in these days ,even if they are seen these are mostly cases of far off villages where no media reaches. Media and press raise matters within hours and government has to response even if they don’t want to.i am a student myself many of my are the people who were earlier called Untouchables,but i bet they would never have had any such experiences and i m not living in a major city.
So, wrong ethics with caste system have already been remove upto 65-70% i reckon.All the cases which come today are basically from places who come from far off places with no link to media etc.
another example of scenario changing is that our chief justice is himself a SC i.e scheduled caste.

Communist government has its advantages in some place but democratic government has advantage in long run,even you would agree on that i think.

………
all comments are welcomed

I essentially agree that the swift eradication of caste will cause social chaos. But what I wanted to point out is: when you look back at the development map of china
We do eradicate our fendal system in a swift strike and suffer a short period of chaos. However, this move enable us a far more rapid industrilization 30 years ago until now.

The question is : Chinese do wiilling to sacrifice their generation to accelerate the development of their son and grandson’s generation, do indian willing to do so? do indian willing to solve the problems now and suffer a bit instead of leaving them to their son and grandson?

I have not moral preference on this issue because I do not know how to choose either. I only offer a explanation to our comparative failure 40 year ago and comparative success now.

Cheers

That is what I have been trying to explain