Terror Attacks in Mumbai and the American Connection
Aby December 3rd, 2008
According to a top Russian counter-terrorism expert, the recent terror attacks that took place in Mumbai and claimed over 130 human victims, has an indirect past American contribution to it. In the words of the former “Vympel” Afghan War veteran, Vladimir Klyukin:
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The handwriting and character of the Mumbai events demonstrates that they were not ordinary terrorists. Behind this terrorist attack there are ‘Green Flag’ special operations forces, which were created by the Americans in Pakistan, just an year before the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, and in the initial period were under full US control. For such guerilla operations, at least two-three years of preparatory work with the involvement of experienced instructors is required. People from the streets, without any planning and training are simply not able to hold four big complexes in a city so long…
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The report was made in the Indian newspaper, The Times of India via an Interfax release from Moscow on 30th November, 2008. Delving into this statement, it becomes clear why the United States and Pakistan are so eager to help Indian authorities in investigating this attack. The Cold War allies have a good reason not to want any third party close scrutiny of these terror attacks, in case something unsavoury comes up.
A short documentary on the CIA-Mujahideen nexus during the Soviet-Afghan war of 1980s. Short term ‘gains’ for long term horrors.
While the American association with radical Islamists during Cold War era is widely known and well documented, both the US government and intelligence agencies repeatedly deny their involvement with the Islamic mujahiden. Unfortunately for the CIA, the “plausible deniability” doesn’t sell well among a lot of internationalist Americans, as is evident by their criticism of the 9/11 commission report.
The rest of the general American populace is either disinterested or unable to believe that their own governments helped radicalize, motivate, arm, and deploy the various groups of ‘Mujahedin’ that now plague South Asia. Perhaps they have more faith in the claims of “intelligence failure” by the their government, which is more of an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
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Omigosh! Conspiracy theories! The ludicrous accusation for us causing the Mumbai attacks reminds me of children when their parents catch them doing something wrong and how they blame it on their sibling. The USA is far from perfect, but we are as a nation and as a people nowhere near the goons that the Americanophobic propagandists make us out to be. It is just very interesting for me how all non-American evils committed are given a free pass. I assume your are a foreigner of dubious education, you mother-fucking, cock-sucking, come-swallowing, ignorant asshole dickhead prick.
It was a policy mistake to aid the mujahideens in Afghanistan. Our government thought that they were helping fight communism, little realizing that they were feeding snakes who’ll bite back the very hand that feeds them. I would like to apologize to India for my country supporting so much Pakistan, a state-sponsor of terror.
Bla bla. You have to learn a bit more about social results when people destroy democraties. The US-governments supported the Taliban in the 80ies with tons of weapons. Dude, they even sent Qurans to them to make them more fanataic and fight against the “communist infidels”. When germany would give weapons and bibles to the KKK, how do you think you will feel, when your mother is killed by them? you will be angry and destructive and your anger will not only focus on germans…
America in the past armed Pakistan and continues to do so. But now, we need to reconsider our priorities. An alliance between India, Israel, Britian and Russia is needed to take on this evil islamic terror.
@ IndiaZoom - Yup, always blame your problems on others. See thats what happens when you’re not nice to people, you lose everytime! As long as you keep oppressing minorities, you will have a problem. The only solution is respect each other and treat the minorities equally. Stop killing christians, muslims, sikhs if you want to progress.
HAHAHA! Islam isn’t nice even to it’s own people (women for example)! If the entire world were Islamic tomorrow the Shia and Sunnis would still be killing each other like they have been doing for centuries. Muhammad himself murdered people, encourages murder and the vast majority of terrorists are Muslim and the majority of world conflict/ unrest is due to Islam. Algeria, Chechnya, Palestine, Sudan etc etc etc. I wish Islam were nicer but then it wouldn’t be Islam.
IndiaZoom@
Gather some knowledge about Islam learn some fcats then blame Islam for your weaknesses. We have had the worst of suicide bombing attacks in Pakistan and RA for sure is involved in those attacks which is quite a proof to proove you hindus to be more lunatic and the ones who like blood shed of others. And for your information every fifth person in world is Muslim and for every single hindu there are 7 Muslims so stop your bull shit propaganda against Islam before we really turn out to be a real night mare for a sick race like yours. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism so stop your foolish propaganda against Islam.
I bet this is another drama by Indian Government itself like the one they did in back in 2002 and then blamed Pakistan for that pathetic action of theirs.
There is a not-so-subtle difference between ‘causing’ an incident and being historically associated to it, understanding which requires no more than a little bit of critical thinking. The United States might not have caused the Mumbai terror attacks per se, but its training and funding of radical Islamists in the Pak-Afghan region DID contribute to modern day Islamic terrorism. Mumbai is just another victim of this historical misfortune. My apologies if this sounds too complicated for you to understand.
I am afraid, your statement is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Being less than perfect and less of a goon does not make terrorism in South Asia any less of a concern, especially when innocent human lives and property are at stake. If something is vile, it is vile, regardless of how it compares to the vileness of others.
I am afraid, I cannot allow uncultured profanities like this in my site. Please read our comment policy before commenting the next time. Consider all your comments moderated henceforth, till further notice.
@ mcwan, IndiaZoom and Imran
I request you to please avoid religious bickering and stick to the topic. The “my god is better than yours” type of arguments never go anywhere worthwhile.
kya koi bata sakta hai ki jab bhi INDIA me koi blast ya terror attack hota hai usme kisi muslim ka hi hath kyo hota hai. mera matlab sirf pakde jane vale log muslim kyo hote hai or vo log pakistan se hi kyo aaye hue hote hai, unke pass se jo saman milta hai vo pakistan me hi bana kyo hota hai, KYA ITNA KAFI NAHI HAI PAKISTAN KO BLAIM DENE KE LIYE,
ARE INDIA PEACEFUL COUNTRY HAI, USE SIRF IN TERRORIST LOGO NE HI ALLAH KE NAME SE LAHU LUHAN KAR RAKHA HAI,
SUN LO HISTORY GAVAH HAI, JAB HINDUO NE MARNA CHALU KIYA TO SIRF VIRANIYA HI NAJAR AAYEGI
The definition of Terrorism itself is in much doubt, as there is no single agreed definition of related criminal behaviour. Islam should NOT be blamed. Neither should the Muslims pick on the Hindus- as this becomes a dog-chasing-its-tail circumstance and leads to no resolve. People are people. Wherever we exist we create a dimension of politics. It is all based on interpretations. The Holy scriptures in all major religions are to provide a guide to living and surviving, basically, to commit to good actions until one’s last breath. Here again, what is good for one may be evil for another, many times contorted to suit ones own ends.
Mumbai suffered at the hands of terrorists. Again, terrorists have no religion. They don’t declare war against a State and attack its military, but rather, execute guerrilla warfare against innocent civilians, irrespective of race, ethnicity or religion. It is like they have been affected by Grand Theft Auto (Game) and indulge in actual criminal destruction, of lives and property indiscriminately. There were a little over forty Muslims killed in the Mumbai 26/11 attacks.
America is the envy of the world. They are second to none in the determination of self-interest. There is great consensus that Al-Qaeda and Laskhar-e-Taiba are united in their objectives. As an indirect consequence of the Afghan war, Al-Qaeda kind of tribal factions had resulted, with the stronger surviving the duration, hence Al-Qaeda. L-e-T and Al-Qaeda support the premise of Islamisation of the world, and especially countries that contain a large Muslim population. To convert all into Islam, BUT in reality they do not care who they kill “IF NOT WITH THEM - U R AGAINST - HENCE DEATH”.
There is no sense in blaming the creating of Al-Qaeda due to American inadvertence, negligence or recklessness. The same question will be posed in stating the partition and creation of Pakistan by the British influence prior to Indian independence, and especially NOT creating an absolute boundary with regard to Kashmir. Focus has to be on the current state of affairs. The terrorist organizations at present are very anti-American, and anti-non Islamic states, but this is also debatable in reference to the recent attacks within Pakistan. However, these attacks can be labeled more political, but terrorism itself allows many criminal actions to be included within the subject.
The current position is that Americans are leading the way towards the destruction of terrorist organizations fueled by so-called Islamic propaganda. Everyone realizes the American input into such united endeavor- since 9/11. All Indians know that the state of politics within the Indian Nation is to be blamed. All old, out of touch politicians are holding the country back, amongst other issues, from any REAL progress in terms with security of the nation. Corruption, stubbornness, ego, and being entirely out of touch from the real world has been the collateral to the increased bloodshed in Mumbai. All talk and NO real action, and in fact awaiting the silence of the issue so that people forget, pressure is lessened, and again reverting to back in the game in their old fashioned manner.
It is easy to place blame on America. But the important question is BUT FOR America’s intervention during the Cold War would the current situation have been curtailed. No one can give an accurate response on this, the state of affairs within the terrorist organizations is beyond American capability. They have not found Osama Bin Laden. Kashmir would always have been the issue. The narrow interpretation of Islamic teachings to corrupt devotees into the circle of so-called “jihad” would NOT have been avoided. They, the terrorists are extremely bored. This is what they do when they get bored. They go against one and all. If it had not been Osama, there would have risen another Osama. It was only a matter of time.
I want Pakistan to prosper in all fields. A country cannot survive with submarines and missiles. You should have a strong democracy, industrial base. When Pakistani players, artists come to India they are accepted as Indians here. They love to come here. Why??? because of our love and affection. Please stop gun culture. Other wise in near future your country will be declared as a terriorist state by the world community. India & Pakistan cannot escape from each other because we are neighbours. Therefore we must live peacefully for our progress. I appreciate your love for your country and use it for your country’s economic progress. Don’t look at India what she is doing. Do what is required for your country. I love India. I love Pakistan also.
from last two decades india is suffering from terrorism which is operating from pakistan. neither the pakistan government nor the military of pakistan have made any effort to curved down these terror camps. To till date INDIA has reported 70000 deaths of innocents due to terrorists activites which is much more than casualties reported in a war between two nations. INDIA have full proof evidences of involvement of ISI and Let in the recent mumbai attacks but Pakistani government is not showing any sign of acting against these enemies of peace and mankind.
One thing is clear to each and every indian today that being soft on terror take us to nowhere.
Today every indian needs war…everyone wants to eliminate and neutralize those militant camps which operating are from POK and if Pakistan stops us to do so than go for war…..you know why? because today we think it is much respectful to die doing something for peace instead dying without doing nothing.
jai hind
I really think(maybe this is neivity) that conflicts could be resolved very easily if everyone just understood that we are all just people who have monstly the same aspirations in life. We all want to live in peace, be able to support our families, try to abid our cultural morals, and have alot of fun memories and good times along the way. I really believe that if people would just travel to places that are foreign to them, meet new people there, and maybe share a beer(soda,juice, etc.), the world would be a much happier place. Not to toot my own horn here or anything, but I have traveled and shared drinks with people of all different backgrounds who are in some cases 100% ideologically oppossed to my own views, but when the day is over, I am able to still hold no hostiliy towards them. Infact, in most cases, I regard these people as my friends and still keep in contact with them if possible. It’s as simple as that. Look past all the government and cultural propoganda and realize we are all family loving people!
I think getting close to the Americans, like having Militry pact etc., will only make the situation worse for the Indians as far as the threats of terrorism is concerned. It’s clear that these terrorists now consider India as an ally of the Americans/West and hence we are seeing the result in these forms of terror attacks in Mumbai. There is no use in blaming Pakistan for these attacks when our intelligence/security failed miserably to act. Indian Govt. should not allow the Americans to interfere in our problems since the Americans will only try to fish out in troubled waters. Strong alliance with Russia, Israel can help us a lot since these countries are victims of terror in the past and have crushed the terrorists with iron hand.
Instead of blaming Pakistan India should strengthen its intelligence and border security. Allowing Ameica to mediate will only complicate the problem since the Americans will only fish in troubled waters. Strengthening India’s ties with Russia and Israel can help India to fight terror in a strong way since both Russia and Israel are victims of terror in the past and have crushed the terrorists effeftively.
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@ G. Vinod
I agree with you about America only making the violence worse. I think that these extremists need a n excuse to cause distruction, and an American Indian alliance is a great reason in their minds to start creating more trouble in India. However, I don’t think Isreal would help in the least. To many Muslim extremists, the only scapegoat better than America is Isreal. I just don’t see how any terrorist could thin an Indian Isreali alliance is any better than an American one. Isreal’s tactics against supposed terrorists is very contreversial and looked down upon by many(especially muslims). I just thin India should stay far away from both America and Isreal. On the other hand, China and Russia would probably make a great allie for India.
A Indo-US or Indo-Israeli alliance is unlikely to make terror attacks any worse for India. In the days of Afghan War, Pakistan based Mujahideen groups saw the India as a major threat, mainly because of India’s close ties with Soviets and their strong support of the then democratic government of Afghanistan. After the fall of Afghanistan and dissolution of Soviet Union, India still remained a target, but with a different agenda - the Kashmir issue. At present, the issue has shifted to yet another dimension, a fight against percieved injustices of the Indian Muslims in the hands of “Hindu infidels”.
While dealing with United States, Indian authorities need to consider that any ‘help’ that comes from United States will inevitably have strings attached. They need to proceed with a strategically careful move, after making room for any possible future ‘payments’ that they might have to make to Americans - whether its political, military or economic. As for Russia and Isreal, the more businesslike they keep it, the better it will be for all parties concerned.
Mike..
Why you always consider muslim as “Terriorist”. Just look at your self.
I think you should have better idea about the American respects. Wht a gernalist did in Iraq with Bluddy Bush. You can consider it the world image about you. You should get lost from the other’s countreis.
You are not supposed to be World protecter. This is the only reason an independent survey declared world most hated and down class nation.
What the hell are you doing in IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN and in GAZA?
Why u cant relay on your states?
What u did in Vietnam?
And now what are you trying to do in Pakistan?
Why you always interfare in others countries and disturbing them?
And why you dont respect others Sovereignty?
Peoples who fought in defend, you call them “Terriorist”.
You have no rights to say extrimeist to Muslim or any one.
First just look at your self. You should solve your porblems of Un employment / Recessions / Firms Insolovency / Colors Descriminations / Social evils & disease etc…
@Adn
What the hell are you going on about?
I didn’t call all muslims extremists! I simply said that for the few muslims who are extremists, the Isreali/India relationship would give them another great reason and excuse torecruit others and cause terror. You obviosusly misunderstood me…
Also what do you mean by:
“What the hell are you doing in IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN and in GAZA?
What u did in Vietnam?
And now what are you trying to do in Pakistan?”
I am in no way responsible for any of these actions! Infact, I strongly disagree with all of them! Hell, I wasn’t even born/old enough to have any effect on them when they happened. I just entered college and really have not had a chance to effect the world in any way.
Why don’t I have the right to call people who strap bombs to themselves or go on shooting sprees extremists? I think anyone who does these things in the name of any god or reason is an extremists and a peice of trash. But I was in no way inferring that all Muslims are extremists( I know that the fact is that an extremely low and miniscule percentage)
None of us have the ability to choose where we are born, so we really have no reason to be proud of any of our countries. We did not have to accomplish something in order to become American, Pakistani, Indian, Chinese, Russian, German, etc. This nationalist crap really needs to stop.
@Aby
“While dealing with United States, Indian authorities need to consider that any ‘help’ that comes from United States will inevitably have strings attached. They need to proceed with a strategically careful move, after making room for any possible future ‘payments’ that they might have to make to Americans - whether its political, military or economic. As for Russia and Isreal, the more businesslike they keep it, the better it will be for all parties concerned”
Couldn’t agree more. The American government doestn’t do anything for anyone(even it’s own people), unless they know they will get something of value in return.
Why are my flags different colours? This site is broken. I have been trying to make comments for hours.
Three Indian terrorists arrested from Pakistan today, and were involved in Bomb blast in GOR Lahore; these are persons of Indian intelligence agencies which are working to de-stabilize Pakistan
@ History
“Three Indian terrorists arrested from Pakistan today, and were involved in Bomb blast in GOR Lahore; these are persons of Indian intelligence agencies which are working to de-stabilize Pakistan”
I also read something like this and believe it is possible that they are working for the government of India, but I really don’t see why this is necessary…
Pakistan is already pretty unstable. First of all, the government is in shambles. Musharraf was corrupt crook backed by the U.S. government that did not have any support from the people of Pakistan. Thats a major problem right there. Now that Musharraf is ousted, who knows who will be in power. Hopefully the U.S. government will stay out of Pakistani business this time around.
From what I have read (which could be totally misleading,biased and incorrect), the North Wester Region of Pakistan is a lawless, old-west like territory run by different gangs and clans…
I havn’t heard about Kashmir since early september, but from what I undertsand the situation there looks like one that will turn out very violent.
The U.S. has also threatened to invade the Northern territories in order to irradicate supposed Taliban presence. Sounds like trouble to me. Hopefully we an find a peaceful resolution or compromise to solve both countries problems.
I hope justice is dealt on the ones responsible for the blast in Lahore…
Wars are about ‘resources’, whether it be oil, minerals, metals, historical grievances or the old time favourite ‘land’.Saddam was a dictator who murdered his own people, a good pretext to invade a nation with abundant oil. Kim iljong of North Korea, brutal dictator , thousands dying of starvation, another ripe case for US intervention?, well not really beacause North Korea has threatened to wipe 30,00 US troops in South Korea at the first hint of any attack b the US.
The US went into Afghanistan thinking it would be easy. The US is presurring Pakistan to do what the US is unable to do. The Afghans are no push over and day by day the situation is becoming a quagmire. The Russians did the same but eventually even they had to retreat blaming others for their defeat.
The purpose of controlling Afghanistan was about resources(not Afghanistan) of other nations and afghanistan being the artery all the way to the arabian sea(throught Pakistan). Its the reason the US was presurring Pakistan to hand over Gwadar on a 100 year lease to the US. The Pakistani’s did a clever move by bringing the chinese on board to remove the US pressure. Even the current Nuclear deal with India is not about the US wanting to help India, but rather to stop the gas pipeline from iran-via Pakistan- to India, and possibly china. This would have provided Iran with foreign currency, and created a bloc that in the future become powerful.
on the issue of terrorism. Acts of violence are committed by individuals, groups and nations, whether democratic or otherwise.Its how the media portrays the act of violence. When states go into war , the media on the whole goes into jingoistic mode. People who question the motives of war, are themselves questioned about their patriotism.
Pakistan is mother of all the problems in world today and America is their father where as china is trying to take some credit now from US.
i really think you people should stop criticising peoples religion. i belive islam is beautiful, so are the other religions, how ever excessive belief in one self creates people like bush, osama etc. because of some hard line extremists crave for power and are unable to attain power in more postive ways do it the negative way. it is alwyas easier to do something in a negative sense rather than a postive one.
we need to stop blaiming ohter countires and start changing ourselves. yes but i do agree to the fact that USA needs to take a more serious and postive stand in helping countries that give refuge to terrorists. its not only that shia and sunnis are fighting eachtoehr, way before that we the christians had wars amongst ourselves.
we people to work together for the better of ourselves and others.
ohter wise seriously- we are fucked.
weather India keeps good relation with US or Israel, India will always remain a target of these terrorists, as Pakistan sees these terrorist organisation working inside their territory as of strategical importance. They collect money form people claiming as charitable organisation. brings children from villages telling the people that they are giving free education and then raise them up as mujahiddeen. And if something happens in India Pakistan can easily say these are non states actors, even we don’t have control over them. This is called one bullet and two shots
Kashmir has been major issue.
King of Kashmir clearly signed the papers of annexation with India. Dont know what makes Pakistan so obsessed about the region. Once Hindu dominant, mass murders have made it muslim dominant.
Kashmir has historically been Hindu holy ground. Shrines all over are proof. Islam was never there in the region until Arabs invaded. So if religion is the issue for this piece of land then it cannot go to pakistan because it has always been Hindu land.
Yes there is a clear connection we all know. But I am sure even Americans are regretting that after 9/11.
But whats done is done, we need to focus how to stop this politically. War is no way.
People of Pakistan must understand and remove this hatred infused in their blood against India should be removed.
Believe me 90% Indians like Pakistan. Only few uneducated radicals are against, different people with different opinions are everywhere.
(moderator - do you mind not deleting this post?) thank you
How can you be so sure? Americans believe that the WTC-Pentagon attacks were done by terrorists apparently in their hate for American freedom and their way of life. The average American is utterly incapable of making the connection between Islamic terrorism of today and their training of Mujahideen groups during Afghan civil war of the 1980s. If you bother showing them the connection, they would deny it and even go to the extent of attributing to you some mental illness.
By the way, radicalism and education are independant entities. An educated person can be a hateful radical, while the uneducated simpleton could be quite a kind and tolerant fellow. The most dangerous radicals are the educated ones, they can easily gain a fan following with their well-crafted hate messages. And example of this kind would be Don Black, the leader of Stormfront or Osama Bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda.
Not all Americans would be in the state of denial. But yes most Americans would not take that their own actions brought this day. America has always done things in its own interest. All American want is money and highest standard of living. America was probably last country to abolish slavery (correct me if I am wrong here).
I have not hatred against American, I like Americans they are good people. But the fact says different. I see American actions threat to world peace.
Yes Islam is a religon of peace.
Yet blowing up planes, trains and automobiles, malls, coffee shops, movie theaters, decapitating infidels with a dull sword, all for Jihad is kind of like their loophole to that whole peace thing.
In America i have yet to see one Muslim stand out and condemn the acts that are commited in the name of their Allah. They empathize, sympathize or apathize, with the extremist. A religon of Peace? More likely a religon of war, because most of its spread has been through military conquest.
My family had to leave Lebanon in the ’60s due to religous persuction from the Muslims. You mean this religon of peace, intimidated, assaulted and murdered other people for not believing what they believe? wow tell me more! show me the love of god with a rusty sword and a czech made AK-47.
Jesus said “blessed are the Peacemakers” not the peace lovers.
So we come to a pass, these islamo-psychos that want to kill us are wrong, we can not appease them, there isnt enough money and we couldn not bow low enough, well 6 feet under is low enough.
(Coolest American Soldier Tattoo “Martyr Maker”)
If you are a Martyr you get 72 virgins in heaven, who said they were women?
We shouldnt be spending money on giving these people lawyers, we should spend that on assymetrical, special forces, anti-jihadis who are able to win the hearts and minds of the people. I agree india should be Americas new best friend right alongside England and any other western powers who want to fight these jihadis.