Comments on: The Turbulent Ride of the 2008 Olympics Torch http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch The Internationalist Fri, 18 May 2012 23:46:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Frank Li http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-50965 Frank Li Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:43:36 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-50965 I also want to point out that the European colonists in America forcefully took control the land which had previously belonged to the Indians, then massacred them when they did the only thing any sensible man would have done, attack back and defend his land. My point is, Americans shouldn't judge others, especially if their actions are justified, and yours' is not. I also want to point out that the European colonists in America forcefully took control the land which had previously belonged to the Indians, then massacred them when they did the only thing any sensible man would have done, attack back and defend his land. My point is, Americans shouldn’t judge others, especially if their actions are justified, and yours’ is not.

]]> By: Tallen Lu http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22445 Tallen Lu Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:08:39 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22445 Sorry I messed up what I mean is- Did anyone saw the picture of the lama on a tank seeing his evil slave owning troops. The PLA saved the tibetian people! Sorry I messed up what I mean is- Did anyone saw the picture of the lama on a tank seeing his evil slave owning troops. The PLA saved the tibetian people!

]]> By: Tallen Lu http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22444 Tallen Lu Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:07:28 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22444 Did anyone saw the picture of the lama on a tank seeing his evil slave owning troops. The PLA saved the tibetian people1 Did anyone saw the picture of the lama on a tank seeing his evil slave owning troops. The PLA saved the tibetian people1

]]> By: Mike http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22320 Mike Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:46:13 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22320 Tallen Lu，你会说中文吗？我好久没连系了。如果我可能实践我的与您的汉语我会是非常愉快的。加油！ Tallen Lu，你会说中文吗？我好久没连系了。如果我可能实践我的与您的汉语我会是非常愉快的。加油！

]]> By: Tallen Lu http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22223 Tallen Lu Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:51:36 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-22223 Foresttrans and Sea Wang YOU ROCK the lama is just a vioent slave owner. The westerners are not bad people they just don't understand what is really happening. +I am a Chinese American Foresttrans and Sea Wang YOU ROCK the lama is just a vioent slave owner. The westerners are not bad people they just don’t understand what is really happening. +I am a Chinese American

]]> By: Foresttrans http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-13520 Foresttrans Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:11:50 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-13520 The fact is that most of the people who vehemently protest against China's "brutal" human rights record are those who have never been to China. For those who have been to China, it is, more often than not, a different story. One of my friends studying in France told me, she has seen people being paid up for joining in the torch-relay protest. But when asked "where is Tibet?”, some of those guys had completely no clue, let along know something about its history. A term often talked about in China is SEEK TRUTH FROM FACT. I really hope those who are either born hating China, or taught to hate China, or paid up to hate China, or hate China due to its aloofness, whatsoever, pay a visit to China to verify themselves how “brutal” today's Chinese government is towards its people, and how intensely today's Chinese people have been “suffering” under the “ruthless” Communist rule. To those who hate China merely because of its status as a communist, I have to say, you are not correct yet I may help to correct you. Today's China is on the road of pursuing, what we term it, Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. "Chinese Characteristics" means we are working on a unique way of administering, which to my understanding, means we are combining the best of the proven good experiences from other countries, including that of the Western countries, with the cream of the time-honored socialism. Today's China is a great departure from what it was 20 years ago. I do not think it's wise to always associate what has happened 20 years ago with today's China or Chinese government. Actually, it seems to me that the mentioning of "Tiananmen Student Movement", or some of you may call it "massacre", has become a good fashion among a significant number of people to hide their outdated knowledge about today's world, and boast of their being democratic. If so, why not talk about the bloody history of American Indians several hundred years ago whenever the topic concerns the United States? Time is progressing, so does China. To those who hate Chinese people merely because of our status as Chinese, I have to say, you are beyond correction. Your hatred will always be our source of power driving us to excel. Fault or even deficiencies can always be found as to the Chinese government or the Chinese system of governing, which is a fact nobody could deny. However, more encouraging is that the Chinese leadership has been constantly aware of this and always takes immediate actions to correct itself into the right path, which are always proven effective, which can be broadly reflected by Chinese government’s response to the recent earthquake relief, China's gradual loosing control of media freedom, and more important, Chinese government's persistent efforts in lifting millions of people out of poverty. Well, I welcome criticism of all kind to China or its people so long as it is intended to help, but not virulent abuses or senseless pretest as mentioned above. The fact is that most of the people who vehemently protest against China’s “brutal” human rights record are those who have never been to China. For those who have been to China, it is, more often than not, a different story.
One of my friends studying in France told me, she has seen people being paid up for joining in the torch-relay protest. But when asked “where is Tibet?”, some of those guys had completely no clue, let along know something about its history.
A term often talked about in China is SEEK TRUTH FROM FACT. I really hope those who are either born hating China, or taught to hate China, or paid up to hate China, or hate China due to its aloofness, whatsoever, pay a visit to China to verify themselves how “brutal” today’s Chinese government is towards its people, and how intensely today’s Chinese people have been “suffering” under the “ruthless” Communist rule.

To those who hate China merely because of its status as a communist, I have to say, you are not correct yet I may help to correct you.
Today’s China is on the road of pursuing, what we term it, Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.
“Chinese Characteristics” means we are working on a unique way of administering, which to my understanding, means we are combining the best of the proven good experiences from other countries, including that of the Western countries, with the cream of the time-honored socialism. Today’s China is a great departure from what it was 20 years ago. I do not think it’s wise to always associate what has happened 20 years ago with today’s China or Chinese government. Actually, it seems to me that the mentioning of “Tiananmen Student Movement”, or some of you may call it “massacre”, has become a good fashion among a significant number of people to hide their outdated knowledge about today’s world, and boast of their being democratic. If so, why not talk about the bloody history of American Indians several hundred years ago whenever the topic concerns the United States? Time is progressing, so does China.

To those who hate Chinese people merely because of our status as Chinese, I have to say, you are beyond correction. Your hatred will always be our source of power driving us to excel.

Fault or even deficiencies can always be found as to the Chinese government or the Chinese system of governing, which is a fact nobody could deny. However, more encouraging is that the Chinese leadership has been constantly aware of this and always takes immediate actions to correct itself into the right path, which are always proven effective, which can be broadly reflected by Chinese government’s response to the recent earthquake relief, China’s gradual loosing control of media freedom, and more important, Chinese government’s persistent efforts in lifting millions of people out of poverty.

Well, I welcome criticism of all kind to China or its people so long as it is intended to help, but not virulent abuses or senseless pretest as mentioned above.

]]> By: Dave http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-10000 Dave Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:12:20 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-10000 Now, regarding this article, I have to agree with it, but only partially. A lot of the protests, for us geo-strategic analysts, is instigated by the CIA. If you want to understand China, you have to remember its history. China got raped by the western powers a hundred years ago, torn apart, colonized, and partitioned. Then they faught a massive war to get back together again. To this day, they are absolutely PARANOID of anything that even hints at an attempt to Balkanize the mother land. And Tibet, with 700 years of history, and further back during the chinese dynasties, is seen as a part of China, and is considered part of the Motherland. It also doesn't help when the CIA historical records show the CIA helping, aiding, and abetting the free tibet activists. So, naturally, when the Olympic torch was on it's way, and suddenly all this hoopla gets ridiculous in the West against China, of course the chinese got freaked out. They see it on a whole other level. They see an active force out to partition them again, which reminds them of the past humiliations. If you can take yourself out of your mindset, and just for a moment put yourself into China's shoes and remember their history, then you get a much better idea why they're so paranoid about it. They see the protests as a threat against their Sovereingty. And let's not forget, they saw what happened to Korea, which got divided and partitioned, and Vietnam, which also got divided and partitioned, but faught a bloody war to get back together again. Obviously, the chinese don't want to get screwed again. Now, regarding this article, I have to agree with it, but only partially. A lot of the protests, for us geo-strategic analysts, is instigated by the CIA. If you want to understand China, you have to remember its history. China got raped by the western powers a hundred years ago, torn apart, colonized, and partitioned. Then they faught a massive war to get back together again. To this day, they are absolutely PARANOID of anything that even hints at an attempt to Balkanize the mother land. And Tibet, with 700 years of history, and further back during the chinese dynasties, is seen as a part of China, and is considered part of the Motherland. It also doesn’t help when the CIA historical records show the CIA helping, aiding, and abetting the free tibet activists. So, naturally, when the Olympic torch was on it’s way, and suddenly all this hoopla gets ridiculous in the West against China, of course the chinese got freaked out. They see it on a whole other level. They see an active force out to partition them again, which reminds them of the past humiliations. If you can take yourself out of your mindset, and just for a moment put yourself into China’s shoes and remember their history, then you get a much better idea why they’re so paranoid about it. They see the protests as a threat against their Sovereingty. And let’s not forget, they saw what happened to Korea, which got divided and partitioned, and Vietnam, which also got divided and partitioned, but faught a bloody war to get back together again. Obviously, the chinese don’t want to get screwed again.

]]> By: Gerald http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-6362 Gerald Sun, 04 May 2008 18:51:03 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-6362 aby the only question that i would like to ask you is how do you view the tibetan protests in India which is home to second largest population of tibetans in the world after tibet itself and a country where dalailama lives and runs his government in exile. I don't know if you saw the protests when bush came to India but that was more wide spread than this tibetan protest which was highly concentrated in New delhi. aby the only question that i would like to ask you is how do you view the tibetan protests in India which is home to second largest population of tibetans in the world after tibet itself and a country where dalailama lives and runs his government in exile. I don’t know if you saw the protests when bush came to India but that was more wide spread than this tibetan protest which was highly concentrated in New delhi.

]]> By: J Fisher (California) http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-5570 J Fisher (California) Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:24:09 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-5570 I've been to China, from Beijing through most of the Yunnan Province, three times the past two years and consistantly found the people friendly and delightful. I had the same experience recently while touring Turkey. The Chinese are far more friendly and positive about the world than your average Uncle Sam. I’ve been to China, from Beijing through most of the Yunnan Province, three times the past two years and consistantly found the people friendly and delightful. I had the same experience recently while touring Turkey. The Chinese are far more friendly and positive about the world than your average Uncle Sam.

]]> By: Valmiki Soni http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-5569 Valmiki Soni Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:17:55 +0000 http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politics/the-turbulent-ride-of-the-2008-olympics-torch#comment-5569 I must say that I am not communist.I visit China almost every month for last 8 years for business.I have been to most parts of China on eastern coast and met people from all walks of Life. having said this much I must say i have to find a place where AS AN INDIAN , I would be treated as First class citizen, EXCEPT IN CHINA.Go to any western country , including US OF A. we are always looked down upon , as browns. shops, hotels, airports,trains , buses .one can feel the under current of distrust. but NOT IN CHINA.They may have their own political systems , but that does bother their own citizens, I have yet to find a Chinese who complained to me about the life in China. talking about dissidents , which country does not have? I must say that I am not communist.I visit China almost every month for last 8 years for business.I have been to most parts of China on eastern coast and met people from all walks of Life. having said this much I must say i have to find a place where AS AN INDIAN , I would be treated as First class citizen, EXCEPT IN CHINA.Go to any western country , including US OF A. we are always looked down upon , as browns. shops, hotels, airports,trains , buses .one can feel the under current of distrust. but NOT IN CHINA.They may have their own political systems , but that does bother their own citizens, I have yet to find a Chinese who complained to me about the life in China. talking about dissidents , which country does not have?

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