Can the United States Win a War Against China?
Aby July 17th, 2007
A topic of popular intrigue is a possible war scenario between United States and China, particularly in light of the rapid growth in strengths and capability of the People’s Liberation Army of China. It would be interesting to analyse what the outcomes of such a war could be, considering the overall technological superiority of US military and the strategic superiority of Chinese PLA on their own ground.
Chinese President Hu Jintao (left) and his US counterpart George Bush (right):Let us hope they do not think of coming to military ‘blows’
The most likely reasons for a possible US vs China war could be a US invasion of North Korea or an escalation of the Taiwan dispute. A war of such nature would be fought in the Pacific, which would be of advantage to the better equipped-and-trained US Navy. However, if the US decides to secure its position by invading China, the outcomes would be quite different…and devastating. To understand this in a realistic perspective, what follows is a multi-dimensional analysis of a possible US-China war scenario, encompassing historical trends with the (known) present day military capabilities of both countries.
A look back at history of US conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo and Vietnam shows that the US military, while formidably powerful, is not as invincible as the Anglo-US media wants us to believe. The United States could claim victories in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars based off a strategy of carpet bombing ground locations and a complete lack of opposing air defence to stop the advance of American warplanes. In both these wars, the US forces were aided by local guerilla revolutionaries and a multi-national Coalition Forces.
In contrast to the above semi-victories, an extreme overconfidence by American defence analysts led to the death of 57000+ US forces in the Vietnam War, which was America’s biggest post-World War 2 defeat. In the Kosovo Conflict, the US led NATO forces faced setbacks due to their overconfidence in the US war equipments, particularly the F-117 “Nighthawk” stealth aircraft. The Serbian forces who were undermanned and possessed no credible air defence, managed to shoot down two of these ‘invincible’ Nighthawks, within the first few days of the conflict. They eventually gave up the war, but the conflict brought to light several failures of the US military and also the tendency among the American media to overhype the invincibility of their war machinery.
If the US were to attempt a war with China, it would face a much worse time than it did in Vietnam or Kosovo. A US bombing strike on the Chinese mainland would not only be struck down by the Chinese air defences (SAMs, AAMs, etc.) but also face a full fledged counter attack from China’s PLAAF. The small size of Taiwan would make the US bases there a vulnerable target for Chinese missile attacks, while the huge territorial depth of China would secure itself from an overwhelming counterattack. The PLA and the Chinese people would be unlike any adversary the US faced in the past. Like Kosovo, there would be a lot of surprises in store for US forces but unlike Kosovo they wouldn’t be facing 10,000 disorganised troops. Instead it would be a 2.5 million strong army with full fledged air, ground, sea and missile forces; all backed by a relatively stable economy and effectively dispersed human intelligence (HUMINT).
A war with China would also result in severe economic repercussions for the US due to a major chunk of its economic activities on China and if such a war prolonged, it would throw the American economy into chaos. China’s economy would also be hurt, but the Chinese will be able to carry on much better than Americans, owing to their history of surviving through severly devastating wars in the near past.
A nuclear option would carry an even more severe repurcussion for both sides. In the case of a nuclear first strike by the US, China’s retaliation would obliterate 20-40 of the largest US cities, effectively wiping off 40-100 million people in the American mainland. Even if the US uses its large arsenal to secure a victory, the after-effects of a nuclear exchange will render the American mainland into massive wasteland. There will be no actual victors, only a massive loss of human lives and property.
Further Information and Resources -
- China’s Military Capabilities - Commonwealth Institute
- Sino Defence - Leading Online Source of Information on China’s Military Power
- Air and Missile Campaign in Kosovo
- Military analysis (Book) on Kosovo conflict by Anthony H. Cordesman
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I agree with the author the US military superity is only a hype to scare off weak countries. Just look at all those thousands of technologically superior force to fight against a few hundred ground forces in Kosovo and you get the picture.
Iraq is already sapping off US strength, a war with China is a nightmare come true. Wish such a thing never comes across a future president.
No country in the world can invade china. U.S won the war in Afghanistan because of help and support from its allies, otherwise it would have faced the same fate as the former Soviet Union. U.S is superpower because of its global alliance not military might.
US would win war against any country including China. Here is why -
1) The United States is the only super power
2) We spend more money in defense than total GDP of most countries
3) We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them
Chinese have large numbers of people which mean nothing, it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army. We also have stealth, their army will be screwed. We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.
@ Speaker Known -
“The United States is the only super power”
I don’t see how being a super power have a military advantage for USA against China.
“We spend more money in defence than total GDP of most countries”
Does spending more money means superior force? If that be so, India would have been the fourth most powerful military force in the world, surpassing UK and France.
“We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them.”
Wrong on both counts. Russia posesses the maximum number of nuclear warheads and it also has the most powerful nuclear bomb, the Tsar Bomba
“..it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army.”
Can you expect us to give you any credit after this?
“We also have stealth, their army will be screwed”
Conventional stealth is old technology, easy to detect by themal detectors, satellite sensing of turbulence or multiple radars. It would be a suicide to bank on stealth while invading China.
“We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.”
You didn’t have Vietnamese, Iraqi, the North Koreans os the Serbs on your side. What makes you think China will be any different?
We don’t need to invade China to win a war against them; just stop having all American goods made in China; close Wal-Mart factories there and return them to America and put the low-income Americans in need of jobs to work in factories the Chinese are getting the money for. The best revenge on a country which is threatening the U.S. like China is, is to stop manufacturing our goods there–completely.
If we closed all U.S. factories and brought them home to America where they belong, China would kiss our ass. It would alos solve the illegal immigration problem, because if we need more room for car factories, build them in Mexico over the border and put the Mexicans to work so they will stop invading us. But more important, the best weapon against China is stopping U.S. industry there and returning our products to the U.S. Let’s see how long they last without America buying from them. They’ll be back to post WWII within months and begging to apologize for their leader’s threats.
@ Lisa Richards - “…The best revenge on a country which is threatening the U.S. like China is, is to stop manufacturing our goods there–completely.”
China is nowhere close to threatening US, a lot of the anti-China hype created in the Anglo-Saxon US is based on the perceived threat that China is getting militarily powerful to counter US influence in East Asia. If we take any official or unofficial statements made by the Chinese government, there are no such threats made by China against US which are offensive in nature. Perhaps a little reading of news and references would be helpful.
@ Lisa Richards - “If we closed all U.S. factories and brought them home to America where they belong, China would kiss our ass.”
Factories are not fluid assets, you cannot simply close them and bring them to America. US companies would end up running losses if they decided to relocate to Mexico. Mexico does not have the economy and skilled cost-effective personell to support American industries. They are best as domestic help and industrial labourers in contrast to China where most of the industrial workers are qualified engineers.
@ Lisa Richards - “Let’s see how long they last without America buying from them. They’ll be back to post WWII within months and begging to apologize for their leader’s threats.”
You seem to be dimly aware of history. Post world war was one of the few times in history China was actually threatening US, mainly over Taiwan and North Korean issue. To give stronger credibility to their threat and to overcome US nuclear blackmail China went to to develop nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them in US targets. If there is any good Sino-US relations, it is at the present age which started off after US tried to improve relations with China in the 1980s to counterbalance Soviet threats in the lines of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
One has to be realistic, as far as wars go it is not a fight between machines but men. United States has one of the best air forces but it is ground combat which determine the victory. Air power only goes as much since it is not bombings or air power that take a country and to take China they’ll have to take it with ground combat. I thought there were lessons to learn from Iraq, Vietnam and Hitler’s battle of Stalingrad.
The American economy would be nowhere near collapse if it wars with China, but the Chinese economy would most certainly collapse. China has a large trade surplus with the US and that surplus accounts for a very large portion of it’s total GDP. American exports to China amounts to a very small fraction of it’s GDP. You have your facts all wrong. Additionally, the Chinese would lose their investments in U.S. government bonds if a war started, which would completely cripple that country. In terms of actual warfare, the U.S. has shown it’s strength against organized armies. Guerilla warfare is unwinnable by any country in the world, this is obvious throughout history. But barring an occupation of China, straight military to miltary conflict this is a no brainer and extremely obvious. The bulk of Chinese forces are composed of WWII and Vietnam Era hardward with only a small fraction of those forces composed of more contemporary hardware. The U.S. military on the other hand is the most advanced in the world. Additionally, the American military has a backup inventory of older jets it could easily bring back into service for such large scale conflicts. The recently decommission F-14 tomcats for example could easily take down everything but the absolute latest in Chinese airpower. Again, bulk of the Chinese airforce is composed of old Mig-19’s, Mig-21’s, and Mig 23’s, all of which are no match for even an F-14, much less F-15 or F-22. And in such a war, I doubt the U.S. would be crazy enough to try to occupy a country as big as China, it would probably just destroy it’s ability to make war, similar to the first gulf war, albeit it would take longer than 4 days, but it would not take more than a couple weeks to render China unable to wage conventional war. And believe me, without an Airforce or Navy, the Chinese will not be able to war conventional war.
@ Only The Facts - “The American economy would be nowhere near collapse if trade stops with China, but the Chinese economy would most certainly collapse……You have your facts all wrong.”
Sino-US economic import-export relations and investments government bonds represent a small part of the larger economic interdependence between these two countries. China is the last link in a long chain of value added production for the US goods and services industries due to its low cost and easy availability of skilled labour. US is able to compete and have a slight edge over EU economy at present mainly because of its cost minimisation by investments in India and China, once this disappears, EU companies will take over. Most of the US corporates invested heavily in China with at least 37% of their investments in solid fixed assets (buildings, factories,etc.), if a US-China war is to occur these companies would face the first crunch in the form of huge losses of their backbone infrastructure and cost advantage. After the war and losses, the companies would need another source of cheap labour to recoup. European Union will gain an advantage over US in such a situation as EU has East European countries with cheap labour but a bit more expensive than China due to higher exchange rates and per capita GDP (PPP). US economic analysts are aware of these facts as subsequent annual economic reports to the Congress would show. It is for these reasons that US companies keep a love-hate relationship with China’s CPC government, they do not want to risk a conflict on the issues which are not directly in consequence to their corporate interests.
A few official resources which would help you understand Sino-US economic relations -
U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission: 2006 Report to Congress
Foreign Investment In China - 2006
The US China Business Council
Concerning a military conflict on the scale of a war, the US Department of Defence is well aware of China’s strategic nuclear deterrance and the stand of PLA against US forces in a communist military model. Needless to say, US would suffer huge losses and possible defeat if they were to try an invasion of China. Wars are fought not on hardware alone but on several other important factors mainly command, control, military intelligence, surveillance, tactics, target acquisition and information. If hardware superiority were all that is required to win wars, USSR could have taken over the whole of Asia and Europe owing to its overpowering nuclear offence and defence superiority over US. A US vs China war would not be a contests between fighters like F-22s and Su-30s but a multi-dimensional US vs China conflict involving military (air force, navy, ground force, etc.), espionage, nuclear forces, infrastructure, human population and economy besides several other variables. It is very fortunate that governments and military strategists are not as short-sighted and fantasy reliant as nationalists in both these countries who would desire a war to happen.
“US vs China war would not be a contests between fighters like F-22s and Su-30s but a multi-dimensional US vs China conflict involving military (air force, navy, ground force, etc.)”
No other country on earth has shown as much success as the U.S. in terms of integrating it’s armed services into a logistical masterpiece, especially not China, which hasn’t even tested it’s armed forces in large scale conflict since the Vietnam War. Conventional war, the odds are overwhelmingly on the side of the U.S., absolutely overwhelmingly. The capacity of the current American military far surpasses that of China and American industrial might is far more powerful than that of China. Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry. Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.
I won’t want to invade China taking into account their rapidly improving military and their nuclear forces capable of striking the States. The Chinese PLAAF has numbers (largest fleet of Su 27 fighters) is rapidly trying to improve the quality of both its Air Force and Navy. With a conventional force close to US and Japan in quality and a strategic advantage in its own mainland, PLA would be a difficult force to reckon with. We may have the best force in the world but we are also known for winning a war even before it started. The mistakes in Vietnam and Korea taught is the hard way not to spit in a hornet’s nest without taking care of the potential consequences.
@only the facts
the U.S industrial machine you speak of was the strongest in the world—during WWII days. The U.S now has a $250 billion trade deficit with China, sure China needs the income from the U.S too…but in a war…China is more self reliant for its day to day operations and is likely to come out ahead in a scenario of elongated conflict.
It is also important to remember history, the Japanese in Iwo Jima lost the island to the US forces, but the victory was a very costly one. The US marines faced such a death toll that they had to use a nuclear weapon to force Japan to surrender. Never underestimate the will of a determined enemy. I believe that the morale and code with which a military fights is equally if not more important than the hardware with which it wages war.
If a war happened between US and China I would pack my bags and take the first plane outta here. I don’t want to die because of the mess created by some stupid politicians. Let those like ‘only the facts’ go fight China with F-22, we can make do with a few idiots less.
Only the facts, you are talking only about fighter war. Real wars are not video game to take a few sorties, shoot down enemies and declare victory. Ignorant right wing jibes cannot change the fact that a REAL war of invasion on China would be a no-win situation for US or any country for that matter. There will be no hope to occupy China or even a tiny portion of it, it is huge and has a population four times that of America. To supply a large enough occupation force to do any type of good so far from homeland would be a logistical nightmare. China cannot be underestimated it can strike back real hard, so hard that it will be the war that saps off US military power and collapse it like Soviet Union. A war with China will only be a fool’s errand.
people like “only the facts” dont have a clue, Chine has over 7 million millitary personal and a paramillitary of more than all of the us army, you’ld think that they might have lear’nt by now from iraq, afghanistan, vietnam an former Yougoslavia.GPD and the wrest of that crap do
not win wars.
The United States has a technologically superior military in some respects but it takes a lot more than that to defeat a country like China. Wars are not video games one cannot win wars with better gadgets. Even the US military is aware of it which is why a large chunk of DoD Budget goes into strategy rather than technology. Why do you think the US tries to find the merest pretext for fighting a war? If the Kosovo war never happened, Americans would still have thought F-117 is invincible. Anyone who saw the hype surrounding the invincible F-117 was in for a shock when Serbs downed two of them using equipments a generation old and barely in battle condition. It is the uber-nationalists among Americans who have one sided view of warfare without understanding wars of reality.
In response to Only_the_facts’ comment
“The bulk of Chinese forces are composed of WWII and Vietnam Era hardward with only a small fraction of those forces composed of more contemporary hardware. The U.S. military on the other hand is the most advanced in the world.”
Are you trying to deliberately sound stupid or what? Nothing could be less factual than this.
“The recently decommission F-14 tomcats for example could easily take down everything but the absolute latest in Chinese airpower. “
You can’t just take out fighters from mothballs and use them in wars silly. It will be a suicide to do it without battle testing and training new pilots. The Flankers in China will end up destroying all F-14 Tomcats that is if they survive a sophisticated SAM defence.
“Again, bulk of the Chinese airforce is composed of old Mig-19’s, Mig-21’s, and Mig 23’s, all of which are no match for even an F-14, much less F-15 or F-22. “
Absolutely false. China has no Migs in its inventory at all, how can it have in bulk something it doesn’t have in the first place? Most of PLA attack force is made up of Su-27 and Su-30 Flankers. Brush up your knowledge of chinese air force instead of making up such rubbish opinions.
“Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry.”
You talk as if Chinese are some primitive beings and American F-22 is something futuristic to destroy these primitive beings. F-22s can be handicapped by electronic jamming devices, passive multistatic radars, older generation long wave radar, turbulence detection, increased RCS detection after dropping weapons, etc. F-22 is just a new generation fighter not some alien predator device, grow up and accept reality.
Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.”
Typical American. With this comment you prove yourself, an antithesis of you screenname. Stop insulting your country with your stupidity.
I’m American and I live next to Edwards Air force base home of the B2 ‘Spirit’ bomber. Let me tell you… the Marines and Air force personnel here think a war with China would be the end of the world. Massive amounts of natural forest protection from an air campaign and the 9 or so delta rivers I’m sure the Navy would love to battle every centimeter through. Maybe a Vietnam vet could relive some nightmares of the Mekong… as it runs through China also. We’re talking about a country with a total population comparable to that of the entire Muslim world. F22 my ass.
Mr.facts keeps surprising me. I really dont know where he gets his “facts”. A war with china would not just mean nightmare, it would mean world war 3!! I am quite sure That if usa attacks china, china will try to regain foothold in taiwan, iliminate pro american south korea and ofcourse north korea will support its ally china, so will vietnamjapan will be dragged in and it will go so on and so forth. America can barely support its forces in iraq! They cant even hit iran now let alone china.
Can the United States Win a War Against China?
ANS: NOBODY will win the war. All they gonna get is huge Kick on their technologically, Qualitatively, Quantitatively Superior Fat ass & will be converted from SUPERPOWER to SUPERPOOR countries.
@All
Can we keep the discussion a bit civil?
Lets take this…we are discussing a hypothetical situation of a Sino US armed conflict, and lets remember this throughout this post, US will never dream or desire to occupy China and would restrict itself to punitive strikes to render the PLA incapable for sometime if not forever, in following a overtly aggressive anti US military stance.Keeping the economic fallouts aside,the military conflict still would be very complex.US no doubt has a huge technological advantage over China, together with a massive blue water naval and air superiority.Add to this their exponential war experiences as compared to China’s relatively no experience in an all out war for quite some years. Let’s dehype the Chinese military strength and consider the fact, that the conflict is bound to escalate in seamless stages.The first will possibly be precission air raids on vital military installations in the Chinese mainland.China will possibly try to strike on US bases in South Korea and the US naval vessels that US would already have deployed in an attempt to enforce a naval blockade similar to the one during the Cuban crisis. The PLAAF has doubtful capabilities of striking into the US mainland and would avoid launching long range missiles at the US mainland thereby causing huge civilian casualties as long as USAF continues carrying surgical strikes on tactical and strategic military installations avoiding Chinese civilian facilities. This will continue for a while because the USAF won’t be able to enforce complete air superiority over the Chinese airspace overnight.Though China has good numbers of 4th Gen fighters together with some well debated 5th Gen crafts, it still has very limited and doubtful credible air defence systems and EJDs. However the war in the sea will be more complex, as the PLAN has a sigeable no. of submarine based assault systems along with missile boats that are quite capable of harrasing the US Fleets and may even pose grave threats to the carriers. Much will depend on the PLAs deternination whether to limit the conflict to the vicinity and wait for international intervention or to escalate the fight by carrying the attacks to the US territorial waters….
As long as the US forces restrict the attacks to the military installations and facilities…its very unlikely that the PLA or US would resort to nuclear brinkmanship.However if the war escalates with US strikes on Chinese civil,financial or business facilities and China feels threatened of complete US dominance…it might try to demonstrate its resolve to defend itself through nuclear might in following theatrical manouevers…
1.By detonating a nuclear devise in its own unmanned terrain.
2.Using a sub kiloton tactical devise on the adversary in its own territory.
3.Firing a warhead, again carrying a sub kiloton devise on one of the enemy ships,in its own territorial waters.
This would definitely result in counter offensive in a similar tone albeit the US strategists would be forced to reconsider on their offensive knowing equally well that if the conflict fails to be contained or limited, it might surely lead to a nuclear first srike by China, irrespective of their so called “No First Use” policy.
The moral of the story is…
1.US can never possibly win a continental war against the PLA involving territorial armies.
2.China can not sustain a prolonged air and naval conflict with the US without resorting to nuclear devices.
3.Air and Naval confrontation between China and the US is more likely to cost more to China than US.
4.The aftermath of the confrontation would cripple the PLA,PLAAF and PLANs capabilities and make them vulnerable to the other regional military powers namely,Russia,India,Japan and Australia.
5.Thus, inspite of Beizing’s gung ho attitude towards Taiwan and other issues…it will desist from a confrontation with the US as long as possible.
ok just recovered from laughing at some of the posts by americans here.God what deluded fantasy world do they live in.Chinese swords hahaha against American super aircraft etc.Cakewalk victory for america again ehh.Forget it buddies you attack China and you will be a smoking wilderness.First the majority of your planes could not penetrate Chinese airspace as stated recently by an American air force general.Second China can hit your satelites as they demonstrated recently by destroying one of their own old ones.Thirdly they have anti ship missiles that cannot be intercepted they bought those from Russia [cant remember the name].fourth they are producing their own excellent fighter and ground attack aircraft the J10.fifth they have nukes and the ability to deliver them by aircraft submarine and missile and last they have a potential army of a least 100 million if put on war footing with conscription.And if you think the Chinese people will welcome you. oh you poor sad creatures.
I pray to god that this war would never happen….
China would not ‘win’, in the traditional sense. They would suffer the worst as far as human losses and economic damage. Furthermore China’s population is heavily concentrated in a small area, so destruction of cites would cause millions of deaths. However, china does infact have a better trained army, which is also far larger then the U.S army.
Personally I think that the U.S could come out on top if things turn their way. The same is true for china. Either way it would be one brutal war.
(Yes I know about the spelling mistakes, and the grammar as well. Don’t insult me about them. They are unimportant and you know it.)
Those among who think US can’t beat China are liberal idiots. The US can defeat China in a war HANDS DOWN! Chinas still a 3rd world country trying to pick up with others and spending billions on military. Lets face it, its still using World War 2 military equips. Americans have advantage in every area in a war with China, it is just a matter of days the Peijing and Shanghai fall down to dust.
US Patriot
henry you do know where allies and hypoteticaly speaking if america lose europe is going down you think china middle east and russia will welcome you existant ofcourse there faking it because they would not whant to figth a 2 front war it will be so much harder thats why germany lose the war they learn from that but if you guys font whant to help the u.s.a ok youll die to so its ok
Kalvin I do not see China as being any threat to the world,it has never been a belligerent imperial nation.America on the other hand is obsessed with world domination and they have no morals or scruples about how they achieve that end.They talk endlessly about freedom but were happy to hand half of Europe to the soviet union at yalta in 1945.While I understand that the Filippinos have a high regard for America which I believe comes from the Americans help in expelling the Japanese from the Philippines in 1944.But dont forget that 40 years earlier they were slaughtering Filippinos when they wanted the islands as an imperial foothold in the orient.Like all imperial powers America is all about self interest.It is not good for the world to have only one superpower it needs another as a counterweight.In my opinion China [while not perfect] is the best candidate for the role as unlike Russia and America it does not have a history of endless aggression.
@ US Patriot
Perhaps reading up on the Kosovo conflict would help clear things—more like, shatter your overconfidence, actually. If the Serbs could do THAT kid of damage, I think it is more than obvious that China could do a whole lot worse.
That was enlightening. Perhaps the United States is fighting the Iraq war using Civil War military equipments, that might explain its apparently failure to tame the situation there. Why bother a war with China anyway, I am sure if we send you with a BB gun and pods, you’d be able to take out the entire China. Oh yes, the sight of an American as you would probably scare them to mass migrate to India or Russia to save themselves.
Hypothesis is an ‘if’ situation and when you look at things that way anything can happen. A better hypothesis can be held credible ONLY if it can be supported with a reasonable argument that something is more likely to happen than not. Neither China nor Russia have had an imperial history as bloodlusty as America did. As if killing 20 million of the natives is not enough, the world had to contend with losing 11-19 million humans to American aggression in the last 50 years. We cannot assume that China would be a tyrant until and unless it has shown a strong tendency to be as hegemonic as US neo-colonialism in Asia and Latin America is. As of now, all China does is trade - like it has been doing for the past 5000 years.
Like all countries that are not the USA, you have a storied history of savagery, cruelty, and injustice. The only country that is worth saving is the United States, and perhaps Britain, Australia, and New Zealand. Our superior karma will be a deciding factor in any conflict.
American you are having a laugh right.No Savagery ,cruelty,or injustice in American history ?!!!.Is there anything other than savagery cruely and injustice in it.Where does one start .Slaughter of millions of native Americans and theft of their Continent,Enslavement of millions of Africans,Slaughter of over a million Filippinos,Slaughter of millions of non combatants in World war 2,Slaughter of millions in Korea,Slaughter of millions of Vietnamese and poisoning of their country with agent orange.Involvement in the slaughter and the injustice perpetrated on the Palestinians.And now unjust attack on Iraq and slaughter there.Not to mention the mayhem you have brought to other nations by helping brutal dictators keep power if they are prepared to kiss your obese butts.You have destroyed the lives of countless millions of innocent people and will not stop until some great nation brings Karma to you.
What “great” nation might that be ? Russia perhaps ? Without the U.S. and her influence the world would be ten times the nightmare it currently is.
hahahahaha…
everybody knows that the true winners of a China US world war would be the Europeans!
we Europeans aren’t dumb enough to help america in that inevitably Chinese controlled war, and certainly are too smart to help the chinese if (IF!) the Yanks win..
but i agree that the yanks are too delusional for their own good.
seriously, talking of the US as if they are really the world’s most powerful country..
the EU has has a total GDP waaay bigger than the US, and the combined industrial, commercial and agricultural might of the EU far outshadows the US.
after the ashes of WW3, the world will be governed by the United States of Europe. then, and only then, will world peace be truly achieved. safe from the threat of dumb texans and christian fundamentalists
Ok, the U.S. would win in a war against China, conventionally, an invasion would be extremely sketchy. China does have some submarines but not to the level of the USSR in the 80s, all China could hope to do nautically would be to deter the U.S. from blockading them. As far as anti ship missiles, The U.S. has quite sophisticated defense systems especially if you consider the combination of a carrier battle group as a whole. In the air the Chinese military would not be able to fly outside of their airspace as the U.S. airfoce is really a generation ahead. The Chinese air-defense would be strong but doubtful if it could cover the whole of the country, in looking at air defense please dont use wild speculation and half minded historical examples. the Yom Kippur war is a good example of a tight integrated air defense, where the Israiles couldn’t strike across the Suez canal, or the air defenses of Hanoi in Vietnam, but even in these extreme cases air power was still able to get trough. as far as the F117, it is a 70s fighter and not very maneuverable/ fitted with capable counter measures so an infrared missile would easily down it. Now for the land battles, if any, the true stenghts of the U.S. integrated amed forces comes to light. look at both gulf wars, in the first the Iraqis vastly outnumbered the allies but the air power of the allies crippled them, not to mention the power of the NATO style tanks as opposed the Warsaw style which shined through. as far as using Vietnam and Iraq as examples of the weaknesses of the U.S., those are not wars but occupations and no army does well when they have to occupy a country against a rebel force. and in Korea the chinese vastly outnumbered the U.S. but were unable to fully beat them even with the help of Russian tech. today the technology is in The U.S.’s favor.
Large conventional wars are about technology not individuals, occupations are about individuals in a conventional war with China the U.S. has a distinct advantage, in an occupation neither side would have a clear victory, though I would assume a puppet regeime would be installed in Beijing from Taiwan and the stable Chinese beauocracy would be transfered and there wouldnt be as many problems as with Iraq or Vietnam, it might be more like Japan or Germany, but I dont know and any real speculation is just speculation.
and as far as the U.S. and freedom, the Russians kinda took control of the eastern countries following WWII and the allies could do little as Stalin was steadfast and any prods to get him to give up say, Poland would lead to another war which is not what was wanted following a world war. as is was part of the U.S.’s reasoning in Nuking Japan was to not allow the Russians to take control of all of Korea and maybe part of Japan. And yes the U.S. was imperialistic in 1900 but, i forget, weren’t all of the western countries quite imperialistic in that period, even Belgium had the Congo, which was probably the worst maintained colony in Africa, almost a genocide. and for going into Korea, it was a U.N. action lead by the U.S. Kosovo was a NATO action and Vietnam was well.. that one was ridiculous and wrong. But if I remember correctly China is occupying Tibet and doesnt allow baisic rights to its citizens, far worse than the U.S.
In all your hate for the U.S. look back at history and you’ll see that in comparison to the other world leaders at thier time and in comparison to China that it is quite benevolent, yes it has its many flaws especially recently but on a whole it is the lesser of two evils.
There is no doubt the US can defeat China repeat no doubt. The question is will the US be willing to pay the price to pulverize China.Assuming the US detonates 1000 nuclear weapons on China.The China won’t take it lying down.
The PLa will probably destroy Chicago,Washington,New York and at least ten other ities. The number of cities to be destroyed will increase as the PLA gets stronger each day.
That is why Bush and his cronies want the missile defence to aim at NK and Iran. If you are in charge of China’s defence and you believe Bush you are in dereliction of your duty and shd be executed.
Bush and the next US president better know the days they can attack China and others and be immune from attack are going to be over soon.
The US says it won’t be subject ot nuclear blackmail.let’s check the facts.The US has over 20000 nuclear warheads. China has only 100.Tell who is stronger. However the will to use the nw is crucial.
Ok the US might have more nuclear weapons, but china has more people.
It’s really 50:50.
Besides, there are no threats against China or US, and they don’t have any reasons to attack each other, so no war warning.
(you should be happy, nobody wants to die!!!)
A war with China would result in what those well-versed in the Cold War era refer to as MAD (mutually assured destruction). We can talk about who has what until the cows come home - bottom line is that both countries would crumble economically given their complete dependence on one another. China cannot match the superiority of the United States Navy or Air Force and won’t be able to do so for decades. What people forget is that China doesn’t need to match American Naval and Aerial Firepower. The only thing they’d need to do if hostilities broke out is conduct a couple of nuclear tests in view of advancing US forces and it would be back to diplomacy. Doubt it’ll happen and pray that it doesn’t.
Why was this topic created in the first place? The chinese army has NO INTENTION of starting a war with ANYBODY! As said by Aby, the Chinese have only been trading internationally and recovering from its centuries of humiliation by the rest of the world and a few stupid leaders like Mao. I truly believe that the Chinese are not an aggressive nation with imperialistic aims.
Americans are known throughout history to undertake DRASTIC measures to get what they want. A nuclear war would be started by the United States. AND the Chinese are more self-dependent than the United States ( as seen by the countless fucking number of things i see made in china). But IF this war had to happen, which might not occur for maybe another 10 years, lets see China’s history in the past decade. It grew from a shittyass 3rd world country to the worlds fastest growing economy in less than 50 years. It put a man into space. It’s also hosting the Olympics in a few days and has gained international credit in the UN Security Council as well as Nato. So, if the Chinese did ALL that shit in 5 decades, what else can they do in 10 or less years? There is no doubt that they can match our military technology within a few more years, not even mentioning its military personnel size. It has the largest fleet of Su-27 and su-30s, an impenetrable SAM defense system, a better trained ground forces, and other superpowers like Russia to back it up. So it is completely absurd that dumbasses like ONly_the_facts would say fighting the war against the Chinese would be easy.
America’s international policies and claiming to be “the world’s policeman” are complete bullshit. We need to stop fucking with other people’s business and allow the rest of the world to have their chance at making their own lives better (not making them worse by fucking attacking everybody, screwing up their lives, and saying we’re making ur lives better. Every person that isn’t american on this topic has seemed to agree that America is doing more harm to the rest of the world than good. It uses its goals of “freedom and peace” to cover up its self-centered belief to maintain its role as the world’s number 1 superpower.
Bottom point: No the United States cannot win a War with China simply because of its worsening international status, failing economy, military rapage in the Middle east, and it’s dependency on China. It will eventually end up in a nuclear war which will cause horrific damage to both sides, but the US will end up more crippled due to its vast dependencies on other nations. And it is highly unlikely that other nations will help the US so fuck dat, best thing to do is back off and let the Chinese be the next superpower.
as an American Military combatant, I fear war with any industrialized nation such as China. Fighting insurgents in Iraw and Afghanistan is like when the Varsity team practices with the Junior Varsity football team to tune up their skills. In war with China, neither side wins. Each country is crippled financially and all this does is open the door for another industrialized nation, such as Russia, India, or perhaps parts of Western Europe to take the reigns as world’s superpower. I see why those living outside the United States carry bitter feelings toward us; I would be bitter if another country was the best country in the world, plain and simply. But we have the best quality of life and even the Chinese are mimmicking us. Socialist governments fail because citizens of those countries wish to live the westerns style of life. Let’s be realistic. Nobody here can undermine the ridiculous superiority the U.S. has in military might over almost any country, including China. But The real test of power is restraining that might and acting diplomatically. That’s what should happen. Anybody wishing for war is some armchair quarterback who has never seen war and has never fought, and is totally ignorant towards the military. I believe that pride comes before the fall, and I’m probably not the only one to notice China established itself far before the U.S. in the world.
I am a Filipino American and I have been traveling to the Philippines the past few years.
I made a few Mainland Chinese friends and they claim that US is going to collapse and China will be the new World Superpower.. They are happy and only 24 years old and can’t wait to see America go under with all their debt. World War 3 they said is already here.. by collapsing the American economy and China with all their money can control the world.
China is like plastic going against metal, of course the U.S would win
The U.S is trying to take over the world!
U.S-COUNTIES FOUGHT : CHINA,RUSSIA,JAPAN,IRAQ Vietnam,North Korea,MEXICO,SPAIN,GERMANY,Uk, afGANisTan ,ETC.
COUNTIES THEY ALMOST FOUGHT: CUBA ,IRAN,ETC.
Now that Obama is the president I don’t think that he is going to try to attack China. He is more peaceful than Bush. Plus, the Europeans don’t hate him like Bush so they don’t want war either.
Let’s not try to have a war between China and the U.S. Both side will have a lot of damage. Then Russians will be the strongest. So let’s not have a war. That what the evil Russians want!
Ok, shure i agree that the U.S. is in better starting point right now, but not for long. They depend on other countries to much. They owe China A TON OF MONEY and also the economy in the U.S. is getting worse by the second.
-Only_The_Facts- what you say is bullshit the U.S. will have a hard time against china, its not a video game so why dont you just go out and play with your matchbox cars or something
i cant believe i read everything here. To keep it simple shall we? With conventional modern warefare (no nukes) -At this current point in time China will struggle more than America if either side tries to invade the other. In fact China has not modernised with the capability of launching such a campaign anyway. Any more? No country can INVADE and i mean totally occupy India not to mention China but cripple both sides at least somewhat to the Americans with China taking more losses. Perhaps a stalemate is my guess treating this topic like a computer game because in RL things, variations and uncertainties of war are just too many! That said there are no facts in such a hypothetical situation but an educated guess. no five pages of reference!
Since China has nukes it wont ever simply be invaded or taken over like Iraq. Invasions will not happen. Skirmishes are more of a possibility but who knows maybe one day both will become shallow or ruthless nuts (nah not gonna happen). The only ‘battles’ i can see are skirmishes which do not extend into ‘Invasions’ possibly off the coast of China for some political issues like Taiwan Independence and USA flexing its muscles.
The Chinese might prepare for a confrontation with the Americans but get real who want to fight the Americans anyway? Nobody!
To China, nothing is more precious than to loose an inch of her territory. Take Taiwan for example. The Chinese Govt. had already declared they will fight at any cost to regain Taiwan. This imply they are prepared to fight US and Japan in both conventional and nuclear if they intervene on Taiwan behalf.
There is no reason for China to confront or invade US. The Chinese Govt. never want to acknowledge they are the future super power. All they want is to be left alone in peace and focuss on improving their economy and provide a better living standard for her people.
However, at the same time they want to ensure China will never be bully or be invaded by any other Forces again. She had gone thru 150 yrs of humililation and that was the worst moment for any Chinese who learnt of the history of unequal Treaties.
The Chinese is smart enough not to match the American in Conventional Weapons.
They have learnt the lesson from former USSR which went bankrupt inorder to compete with America in Defence spending.
Some Americans who made posting here appeard to be too simplistic in painting the
overwhelming superiority of US Military might and come to an early conclusion she can easily defeat China.
The Chinese had fought US in both The Korean War and Vietnam War. Inspite of US overwhelming superiority in both Air & Sea, US had lost in North Korea and Vietnam.
Superior Technology does not gurantee to win a war. Ultimately is still the human being. If there is a war between US & China over Taiwan, the entire Chinese population will definitely be united as one. Any invasion by US forces on Chinese soil will be suicide. Over the last 10 years, the PLA had came out without a strategy & gone into the niche areas where she could defeat or neutralise US potent weapons
such as F22 and Aircraft carrier battle group. There will be many new surprises.
It won’t be a walk in the Park for US military. China is prepared to make the sacrifices. During Mao’s time, they had infact prepared for a Nuclear War with USSR.
Is America Ready to do so ?
No one would win this war. Especially if a nuclear war began. Millions of lives would be lost on both sides and for what? Diplomatic and friendly relations should continue to be the answer. We don’t have to agree on everything, but war is certainly not the solution.
I’m Vietnamese, to me we must start a full media war. Broadcast free over the Air from satellite, radio or TV. Commies Chinazi really afraid their own people know the truth about the devil communist. We must get rid of the mafia Vietcong first. The Vietnamese hate Chinazi because of their invading land and sea by the chinazi. The Vietnamse are better in Guerrilla war Tactics than the chinazi, if the American willing to suppy the power. We Vietnamese know the chinazi very well more anyone else. The Tibetian, The Laotian, India, Japan, Taiwan, plus many more. Together we easily take out the baster Chinazi Commies. Chinazi is big but only talk, it’s very empty air inside. Communist must die…
In total war both sides lose, clear and simple.
US may have nuclear superiority but the uncontested fact remains that 150 Chinese multimegaton devices will wipe out 80% of the US population within the first week and 90% of the remaining population over the next year. 6 million surviving Americans vs maybe 1 million surviving Chinese does not mean the US wins…
In a limited war both would also lose, but who wins the military victory depends on the scenario and chance. Hawaii = guaranteed US win, Taiwan = tossup and depends on extent of escalation.
Lets hope it never happens,the Chinese leadership and people are inteligent enough not to instigate it.But not sure that can be said about the American side given the overconfident and arrogant attitude displayed by many American posters here and the fact that they are capable of electing semi retarded leaders such as the previous US president to office not once but twice!!!.
kalvin, I think China would probably invade Europe if Europeans attack them. In history since when did China ever expanded East and West?
The only people that might attack Europe are probably Russia, and probably some middle eastern.
If the Americans aren’t complaining/threatening about China or Russia taking over half the land of Asia, I doubt China would be involve. Actually I blame the greed that people made in the Cold War (Cold War started all this).
The idea of a war is truely ridiculous… and numbers probably wouldnt matter.. well it would… but not as much as people might think. The idea of an invasion would be suicide by the united states. the war would be most naval, air and missle combat. The united states isnt far superior than the chinese but i think everyone can agree that it is a bit more advanced… and this war is nothing like iraq so comparing the this scenario to iraq is the most retarded thing to say. but in conclusion if this war were to happen the united states would win. But the war would most likely end with both countries destroyed. The war between the 2 is impossible. well almost
I agree on Max comment. Insfied of all the facts we hear and read are merely good information. Well USA must never let our defense down and we just seek better way to strike if we have to.. The best defense is offense…be ready since they seems to be creeping close to our shoreline already. They are doing cyberspies on our system already to cripple us so we can not strike back on them in time of war. We must never trust them and in the meantime try to get along.
the usa would wipe our asses with china. then we would go to europe and smash on the weak french, the suddenly peace loving germans and whoever else wanted a taste of this american might! we are the strongest country the world has ever known. our wemon are sexxxier. our beer is better. our dicks are bigger. who wants some???? not china, not russia, not any tight pants wearing european country, not iran, WHO ? the world is lucky im not president id make war with china just because i heard they got little dicks lolololololololol !!!! BOW DOWN TO THE MIGHTY AMERICANS !!!!!!
the usa would win china just has numbers numbers dont win wars the usa has skill china dosent have that much of a larger military eather and if i was preisdent and we went to war whith china i would bomb there citis till all the cilvilans are died
Looks like stephen and tyler are either the same idiot or have got the same parents.
Stephen -
I hope you are joking??? Your Neanderthal thinking is silly. I’m Asian and your comparison to penis size is insulting and racist at best. Sorry to break the bad news, but Americans are the not the best endowed. There was an actual study done on this topic. Among white males, it was the French and Italians. I saw this on Wikipedia. Maybe white guys are larger but most Asian people have bigger brains. I’ll take a smart man any day of the week. I would never date a dumb guy like you.
Look, I am American and I know how the world perceives us because of bullshit in the media.
We are not as blood thirsty and dumb as you think, if that were true then the United States could not exist as it does today.
Anyways, I am not of the opinion that my country is the greatest, I think it is one of the best, among many.
War with China would be stupid, not only for the parties involved, but for the world as a whole.
China, or any country for that matter, has the human right to improve their way of life.
War is not going to improve anything.
America and China will simply have to co-exist, and who knows, maybe other countries will rise to power too.
There is no reason to be afraid of another power in the world, America cannot be the only superpower forever.
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that the communist party still has influence in China.
But people cannot fight with eachother over ideas or differences, we need to work together.
I think China has come a long way, and the United States should become allies, not enemies with them.
War will solve nothing, especially nuclear war.
If the human race is going to make through the centuries to come, then all this petty crap needs to stop.
I believe we will make the right choices, and all this talk of war is derived from paranoid fears.
America can, and will, learn to share power, simple as that.
If not, then the we can go back to living in caves like stupid apes.
I feel sometimes that there is so much hate in the world, and its for no good reason.
It’s like the hippies used to say, “Make love and not war!”
cmon guys lets be realistic why would the US and china enage in a war with each other sure there will be some fat words said but all in all its just a media beat up.the body count would be in the millions the cost would be in the trillions and for no real gain.A war with these two countries would certainly escolate into a global conflict it would be the begining of world war 3 and the end of the world as we know it the political parties would do everything to stop a conflict such as this and thank god for that…
American you are having a laugh right.No Savagery ,cruelty,or injustice in American history ?!!!.Is there anything other than savagery cruely and injustice in it.Where does one start .Slaughter of millions of native Americans and theft of their Continent,Enslavement of millions of Africans,Slaughter of over a million Filippinos,Slaughter of millions of non combatants in World war 2,Slaughter of millions in Korea,Slaughter of millions of Vietnamese and poisoning of their country with agent orange.Involvement in the slaughter and the injustice perpetrated on the Palestinians.And now unjust attack on Iraq and slaughter there.Not to mention the mayhem you have brought to other nations by helping brutal dictators keep power if they are prepared to kiss your obese butts.You have destroyed the lives of countless millions of innocent people and will not stop until some great nation brings Karma to you.
You can thank American companies for bringing your lame ass country to the upper echelon of the rich list. Without the yanks, youd still be planting potato and raising sheep.
Fuku, what the hell? Anyone from Canada can’t take part in these matters. I mean really…………….what the hell has Canada ever done but sit back a watch the world tare itself apart. Canada is about as useful as an eyeball located beneath ones foot.
You Americans are so ignorant, you perceive China as if it were in the stone age with arrows and swords.. Face the facts.. You would not win in a war against China.
I can’t stand anyone of you ignorant and barbaric fools. Every one of you has not only said offensive remarks, but remarks that show your bias. The last remark made by the Australian was so damn stupid. He or she forgets that Australia ( along with other former British colonies) are close allies with America and like I said before, if a war between America and China broke out, there would be coalitions formed. Though China is becoming increasingly modern, they still haven’t been modern for along as the United States. America has f-22 fighter jets. These are called 5th generations fighters. No other country in the world has anything remotely as sophisticated as that. America also spends about 75 trillion (yes I have done research for all you stupid complainers) over the next big spender which is China. America conquered the 4th most powerful nation in a week (Iraq under Hussein) and is still fighting multiple wars over seas. America is a force to be reckoned with, and for all of you reading this and getting pissed off………you’re truly just expressing emotions of jealousy that your country didn’t become so awesome.
I was actually taking you serious until you said America conquered the fourth most powerful nation in a week…Irak under Hussein.It was at that point that I realised you were just another American idiot.And as for your idiotic remarks about american fighter jets being best in the world blah blah blah….the Eurofighter and the latest russian Migs can match any other aircraft in the world.
The US certainly has a large technological advantage over China in its army, navy and air force. However, there are numerous other aspects to a war than just technology.
If US invades China’s home soil, its most likely that US will be overwelmed by China’s land force. I mean China does have a huge army reserve. On top of that, most of China is well connected by good roads and railway. This means that China can concentrate an army of 10 million+ well trained/equipped soldiers in a small area within one or two weeks.
If China invades US. No its not gonna happen. China simply doesn’t have that projection capability to invade US.
If the battlefield is a third country, then US will have a large advantage and most likely to win. Except for battles fought in China’s immediate neighbours, such as NK, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.
If its a nuclear war, then the world is coming to an end. Not even here in Aus will we be able to escape the wrath of a nuclear winter.
to MuseforHire:
During WWII, Canada had about 1 million people in the armed forces (not all fought but were still a member of the armed forces) … our population was about 10 million at the time.
10% of our population contributed to WWII. No other country in history has ever come close to that proportion. At least the US was provoked and attacked at Pearl Harbour which ultimately brought them officially into the war. Canadians just chose to fight evil halfway around the world.
Within a few years from 1939 till the end of the war we started with a few ships to having the 4th largest navy in the world (3rd largest Allied navy).
So don’t talk shit about us Canadians. If anything the ignorant and arrogant Americans who have posted so far are “about as useful as an eyeball located beneath ones foot.” .
I’m Chinese too… damn proud to be Canadian Chinese / Chinese Canadian.
Funny that you say that, seeing you can stand yourself without problems.
No other country wants to waste so much of its military budget on something that is like an anti-ageing cream - lots of show, but not so much on the go. Face it, F-22 is nothing more than another UFO for new generation SAMs to shoot down. It is something as invincible today as the F-117 was in 1996. For half a decade, the American ignoramuses like yourself boasted of the invincibility to the F-117 stealth fighter, only to have their baloons punchered by Serbians weilding 1960s SAMs and radars.
75 trillions! My goodness! You are more entertaining than the “Americans are stupid” videos. Next time, make up something more believable than making a claim that the US military budget is 530% of its GDP.
What research? The one about what the US military budget will look like, if all Americans started a fundraising project by selling your mothers’, sisters’ and daughters’ bodies at $100 an hour? Well you’d have to keep them getting porked 8 hours a day* for the whole year (including public holidays). That is if American men can keep paying the $100 an hour to keep the program running.
What was America’s position then? Second place after Angola?
…like Tom and Jerry, ay?
Yeah, we are so jealous that we didn’t have your brains like this when we were 2 years and 35 days old. How tragic!
hahaha, enough said. Oh, and I didnt mean 75million, its about 75 billion.
You still seem to be confused,maths like reality do not seem to be your strong points LOL.
Oh, ur not Italian, Im sorry, your country’s flag is just so damn original………………….
The green and orange are the colours of the republicans and the loyalists,the white symbolises peace between them.
This is indeed a very hypothetical scenario, since both sides know very well the consequences of this war.
However if we are to analyze a war between these two countries, we would rather look at a the best possible scenarios. The US would never attack mainland China declaring a full war. It would be somewhever in a third place under some pretext - Taiwan or maybe North Korea. In such a case US would win hands down considering that China does not have the ability to fight remote battles and more importantly would not like to risk unnecessarily. Although some Chinese interests would be hurt it would not be enough provocation for a war with US. Ofcourse US would have gathered allies in UN for the fact that China has nothing to do since US hasnt attacked China.
The remote possibility of full scale attack on mainland China would be a very co-ordinated one. It simply wouldnt be a US vs China war. US would certainly get NATO, Japan and India in. Japan and India would be key - cause they stand to lose the most if they give even logistic support or allow use of their territory. China can bank of North Korea and may be Pakistan. Russia would be a surprise, may just choose not to join. In that case US wins hands down again.
However if Russia chooses to join or even shows an inclination to join on Chinese side, US would back off.
Infact, in the very very rare possibility where tensions escalate and US China war seems to be imminent, the Russians will have the power to stop it. If they chose to remain nuetral or side US, China will back off. If they clearly show inclination of joining Chinese side, US just wont attack. Imagine having to take on both together.
P.S. all this is very very hypothetical WW 3. Lot of people would have to do a lot of stupid things to make it happen. Indians, Japanese, EU, Russians etc.
Upendra…I could not imagine NATO ever getting involved in an attack on China.In Europe the only ones who might join the Americans would be Britain and thats even extremly unlikely.As for France, Germany, Italy not in a million years.The people of Europe are already sick and tired of American militarism and do not view China as being any threat and very difficult to view ever changing.Also if America fought a war with China and was succesful it would be a very battered America that would emerge from it.I doubt that Russia would be able to resist the opportunity this offered.America would be in the position of the wounded alpha animal in the herd and would soon be attacked and finished off.
I agree with what Henry said. There’s simply no incentive for Europe to aid the Attack. Getting NATO to join would be even more of a challenge, since the main reason for it’s existence is for a united defence against foreign aggressor attacking any of it’s member (and Taiwan is not a member :)), which I really doubt China will do.
@Upendra, with regards to your two scenarios, I see two very different approach and outcome, rather than just a simple matter of US winning hands down. I wouldn’t say a war in North Korea would present a lot of logistical problem for the PLA. For a start there’s no demanding amphibious requirement. The PLA should have little trouble shifting most of its forces to the peninsula. It would end up being a very land centralised war, playing to China’s strength. Actually just look at the Korean war and you see what I mean. The US forces got pushed all the way back to the 38th parallel when China entered the war, at one point all the way to Seoul, let alone win outright.
As for Taiwan, if the US wish to achieve the objective of disrupting an invasion of Taiwan, then they may well succeed. Although this possibility would be more credible during the 90s. If anything the third Taiwan strait crisis showed military leaders in China of a need for better defence against CVBG and since then the PLAN has acquired and built weapon platforms specifically designed to counter/destroy a CVBG, including the purchase of sovremenny and kilo from Russia, accelerated construction of song and Yuan submarine, and the development of anti-satellite weapons/anti-ship ballistic missile. If these can effectively threaten the US navy, then it won’t be a simple matter of the US winning hands down.
Oh and didn’t a Song class sub snuck up on a US carrier some time ago without them noticing? If that was war, the carrier’s not going to have a great day!
Henry is just mad cuz he’s irish and has a small dick. Stupid americans? I didn’t even know there was a fucking ireland anymore? Your gdp is 50 million potatoes. Cockboy! Btw if it wasn’t for America you’d be screaming “ha hitler!” So got fuck your fat irish mother and her slobby red-headed cunt!!!!!!!!!!!
You see the one fact that your all missing is the US has either lost or narrowly won the last several conflicts because we have not been fully committed. A war with China which threatens the existance of the United States would have complete and total support of the government. We would have free reign to unleash the true potential of the military. Vietnam was like sending a pitbull into a dogfight with a muzzle on. Congress didnt give full authority to do whatever was needed to win. You cant win a war with your hands tied behind your back. A US v China war head to head (not on chinese soil) would be won by the US.
Now that being said, in the real world, the Soviet Union, I mean Russia is drooling at the idea of joining forces with the Chinese in a war against the US and that my friends would be an impossible task for the US to overcome. The chinese would build an unstoppable military using Russian natural resources and energy. They are two of the largest countries in the world (land mass) so a US invasion would be impossible. They would have a far larger nuclear arsenal so a US nuclear threat would be useless. The sad reality is had we made an effort to create a REAL alliance with the Russians we would have an ally and a foot hole right at Chinas doorstep and then the Chinese would be at our mercy. Thanks Bush for ruining any chance of that happening though.
By the way no Europeans should be involved in a debate about how to win a war, there hasnt been a real European war victory in half a century and that was only thanks to US involvement in WW2 otherwise you would all be speaking German right now and chanting “Sieg Heil!!!”
This is war that I am sure no one wants to happen, but I am guessing that most people would be probably more lenient towards China than toward the USA because overall, China seems to be in a better light than USA, who most people view as a country full of hypocrites, religious fanatics and violent-based solutions. Besides, such a war would destroy both countries physically and economically, leaving behind two losers instead of only one.
The recent economic crisis has already shown the vulerability of United States. The US is not what is used to be and is a superpower in decline. All the western countries were suffering except nations like China and India who still had a 6% growth of gdp. Without these countries like China which has invested much in the US, the world economy would still be in decline.
In case of an war if China decided to pull out all of it financial reserves out of the US wil be become nothing more than a banana republic. Without the help of the Nato the US is not a big threat. The US are already fighting a doomed war in Iraq and were beaten by the vietnamese who were so called ”technology inferior”.
Time will show the US lose more of influence on the world stage. Instead other superpowers wil rise like the BRIC nations and take over the position of the US. This has always been the case with history. No ‘’superpower” remains forever.
The US mindset has to accept this than being ignorant.
It’s impossible for the US to win a war with China!!!
Economically China dominates the US and will continue to do so. War is not the right answer. The US can not afford it.
It was most entertaining to read this page! I’m no military expert myself but I did rather enjoy the “Americanism” that was posted on this site. Just goes to show how the US is so good at 1 thing…making their public fearless in a real war situation. I hope they never experience the real thing.
Can the United states WIN? a war against China?? I am Russian and i have to say that neither side can win without using massive amounts of nuclear weapons. To invade china or america it would require a suply line of over 5000+ miles over air or ocean. currently in Iraq on average for every soldier per day 16 barrles of oil is spent. IF there is a FULL SCALE war there is no way america will get that oil and sadly will be reduced to a much slower a cumbersome military. (your gona be needing some Hybrid abrams). Also Chinese peopel are a nationalistic peopel so you woudl have teh biggest partisan movement in history. So truthfully i woudl have to say that if any country would be able to win it would be China versus america. It has a HUGE industrial base and could outproduce and outman America. The Tide Is Turning
RedRussian..totally agree with your post above the tide is turning.Just wonder how Americans will cope with the new reality.While Russia was a military match for the USA it was never on their economic level.China on the other hand will surpass the USA as an economic giant and in time probably militarily as well.The balance of power in the world is once again shifting to the east.China has found a formula for success in its hybrid Communist/Capitalist system
a simple deterant against china would be more nuclear missles. what can 10 million soldiers do against 10 ICBM’s? so right now only the 2 of them can bomb each other but if it did come to a huge war alot of blood woud be shed over the tiny island of tiwan lol.
@ Captain V,
You should be a joker.What you have said is the funniest in this blog.I can’t stop laughing when I read your post.
@MuserforHire,
You are patriotic.I can sense that.But can you view things from multiple perspectives? Please stop being too rigid.
@Henry,
Does your stance shows the stance of most Italians?Your view is valuable.
@Jack,
You are no different from some biased Americans.They are insanely arrogant while you are overconfident of China.China,like the US,has many internal problems too.I’m a Chinese.I know that.
@RedRussian,
Any war between China and USA has nothing to do with you as a Russian,unless Russia wants to swallow up both China & USA after the two are paralysed.Russia poses threat to the world just like USA because of its extreme military overkill capabilities to destroy the world ten times.Just imagine Russia’s 16,000 nukes.Crazy isn’t it?Why Russia build so many nukes?For what purpose?
@To all from UK,
You guys are really more sensible than the Americans(who always love to compare ‘dick’ sizes ).I ,as a Chinese , cannot forget but can forgive Britain for its past sale of opium into China because Britain has established Hong Kong.We Chinese can learn British accounting and business principles from Hong Kong to gain access to Commonwealth markets.Money..Yummy..
@To all Canadians and Aussies,
You guys always help others in times of trouble without thinking of your own gain.What I love most about Canada is their tolerant citizens.God bless Canada!
@ To all Americans,
People might think that America is a hegemonic bully.In some cases ,it does.However,based on my Chinese viewpoint,the police called America has done a lot of destruction,but also has discouraged many countries from invading their neighbours for fear of US intervention.Everything is Ying-yang,meaning positive and negative.The negative side of US imperialism is destruction and widespread anarchy,while the positive side is USA’s role in preventing large scale war due to US position as the Balance of Power Axis in the world.US has done a lot to improve people’s lives by supporting their livelihood through rebuilding the industrial bases the people they have conquered although understandably for her own gains too.Take for instance post-war Japan and Germany.They were whacked by USA and later redeveloped by USA to become her allies.Now USA is doing the same to Iraq.I’ve known some Iraqi friends who said USA is not that terrible,it is the disunity among the Iraqi people that causes most chaos in Iraq.Back to USA-China case.The Chinese people thank USA as the God of Prosperity for buying their goods hence supporting the livelihood of many ordinary Chinese.Who said USA does only destruction?Even the Chinese PLA knows that USA is very supportive of China’s industry and would damn the notion of a US-China War!Everyone knows how corrupted and intimidating USA is,but are others different?No! Corruption,injustice,intimidation,and aggression is a global problem,not USA alone!To my US friends,you have many good excuses to attack many countries,but you have none to attack China.We,the Chinese people,will solve our own problems.If the Chinese Communist Party is corrupt,we’ll take it to our own to take out the corrupted officials or maybe even the Party itself.We’ll never allow ANY COUNTRY to topple the current ruling party and replaces it with PUPPET government serving any malicious foreigners!Final words,I hope Americans won’t become crazy enough to invade China like Hitler’s mindset.If Americans are well-behaved,the world rejoices as America currently has the most influence to project global direction.Are anyone still thinking like Stephen & Tyler? I hope none.
Yo you mention good an bad and i just want to say it isnt americas intrests. American goverement is supposed to provide for and protect ist citizens. Thats it. So if it means invadign a country for teh better life of its peopel it will be done. The peopel might not know why but itl happen. It doesnt matter to the goverment if the population of anoetrh country is starving or dieing. Unless there is a definate benifit in sight it wont usually help. Look at ww2. USA didnt care that europe was in ruins in 1945. but they needed help to fight against the soviet union. They knew they couldent do it alone. So america rebuilt Europe with the Marshal plan and that created a close bond. Look at africa. peopel are Dieing from malnutrition and desies liek flies. America isnt doign shit or any country for that matter because there is no benefit in sight. It “moraly” wrong but teh financialy right way to lead. Russia has stockpiled ALOT of munitions and weapons. Nuclear and conventional but it need it. 100 million people can not fend of a The chinese military without seriouse technological help and that is what it has to a point.
RedRussian,are you telling me that China may invade Russia? For what?
By the way,now I know why Russia needs so many nukes.
Because they are cowards.
RedRussian, I was just joking.
The clear reason for Russia to stockpile so many nukes because it faces Europe to the West ,China to the South,and most importantly,USA(Alaska ) to the East.Russia is the only superpower surrounded by so many superpowers therefore Russia is very insecure.
Although Russia has many nukes,they never use them.That’s good.Thus, I’m just wary but not hostile towards Russia.You’re right,no one does something for nothing.Interest comes first.
Russia has the world largest mineral and fossil fuel resources pool,and everyone is vying for a chunk in Russian natural resources.Just like USA’s insatiable hunger to rob oil.
Truthfully i dont know how RUssia will be able to survive as a country for much longer because of the resources it contains and its small military that protect them. Unless a Huge company is made like blackwater but hundreds of times bigger that could be bought to fight. Unless that happens Russias resources are going be worth more later and that will cause loads of problems. BUt seriously if a big war started china would be missing a few cities and comunication between its forward positions and command would be imposible so anything could happen.
Chinese clan..interesting to hear Chinese views on America.I know that the vast majority of Chinese do not have ill will toward America.But sadly many Americans as you can see from their posts view China as their enemy.Indeed before China developed a nuclear deterrent it was subject to threats of nuclear annillation by the USA.The problem is that America has become arrogant and drunk with power.It wants to impose a pax americano on the the other nations of the world.And any nation that can equal them in power and especially if it has a different political system will be viewed as a threat and an enemy.Really America is terrified of losing its position of top dog in the world.And as they are capable of electing unstable and intellectualy challenged leaders such as Bush,combine that with the foregoing plus their need for so much of the worlds resources which of course makes them view a nation such as China as a competitor and a rival.Taken all together it makes America the most dangerous and unpredictable nation on earth.It is in my opinion stable at the moment under Obama but who knows who or what will be in control there in the future.Oh and I am Irish not Italian (the flags are very similar).
Just to add in Europe I do not detect any fear of or ill will toward China.More an admiration for Chinas rise.But then we have learned to live with and compete peacefully with the rest of the world.
Dude you are sayign america is an uncontrolable beast that coudl cause major damage and yes. But it wont do it for no reason and for no gain. ALL americas actions are for a purpose of either protecting the states or raising funds. Now how that is down might be considered crude or insane but america is a very effective machine. And ofcorse they saw USSR as an enemy because they were fighting for control over the world in teh end. USSR fell apart adn China is takign its place. And why dhouldent be America afraid? China and all countries have same mentality of doign teh best for its people. So if war is nececary adn benefitial a second opinion wont even be reached.
RedRussian,your view point is good since you are a Russian-American.Please do not get offended when we talk about your Mother Russia.
By the way,RedRussian.Russian Military is extremely Strong.Perhaps world’s strongest.It is not small although Russia has a small population.Even USA fear direct confrontation with Russia.Remember during the Kosovo War , the USAF that prided itself for stealth,precise target acquiring, and world’s most advance avionics technology got its F-117 Nighthawks which was deemed invincible destroyed by older version of Russian Anti-Air System used by Serbian guerillas.Imagine if America attacks Russia with planes, I think all USAF pilots will storm White House and impeach the president for sending them to cold death in the hands of the powerful Russian Military.Nazi Germany will conquer all of Europe if not because of Russia’s might.
Im not offende but i usually see shit for what it is. RUssia isnt even in this argumenet but between China and USA. i would put my money on CHina.
RedRussian…the point you keep making is an obvious one.Of course the actions that nations take are what they see as advancing their interests.The same with individuals.One guy will see starting a business and working hard as a means to personal gain.Another will see robbing a bank at gunpoint as a means to achieve the same goal.They both basically have the same objective but the bank robber having the same basic objective as the business man does not justify his actions.The USA throwing its military weight around to achieve its objectives is very different from China and Europes policy of trade and peacefull co-existance.
@RedRussian,
Why r u putting your money in China?
@RedRussian Quote:
American goverement is supposed to provide for and protect ist citizens. Thats it. So if it means invadign a country for teh better life of its peopel it will be done.
Wow,invade other country for the better life of its people?! May God have mercy upon America!The country with the bank note printed with ” In God We Trust” justifies robbery of Iraq’s oil as a means to provide a better life to its citizens.What a hypocrisy!
No wonder my Australian friend tell me not to trust America !
America is the only or one of only countries that is even able to do this. The worl disg rowing and America is nto ont the top anymore. or soon to be shot down. So its fighting for control over strategic areas. I dotn see why you guys are so amazed by this. It doesnt justify why they blew a city up because it doesnt really have to. what are you gona do but USA in jail? no. America knows Europes dependance on America so it wont fight aginst it. It might argue over shit but never fight it. So are you saying america shouldent use its power that it has spent billions on to buidl and fought for for decades? Now thats unreasonable. Have you ever heard power corupts. Well in this case “ethics” and “morals” have been corupted which dont even have a meanign in war.
@RedRussian
Ethics and Moral has no meaning in anywhere. It is a fake thing created by man to bind the society together. If you go above the social level or below or even out of the society then words Ethic and Moral has no meaning. For example in the arena of international politics and diplomacy there is hardly any position for ethics or Moral. If you go to the wild in the jungle Ethics and Moral has no meaning. Even if you look at your own body in the biological point of view there is nothing called Ethics or Moral. Your own cells and many others are killed abused and destroyed to support your life. You put Ethics and Moral in that equation and you die withing a few hours. But again this Ethics and Moral is what makes us Human. This is the two things than creates the difference between a man and an animal. So real men should always care about ethics and moral. Yes even in War. You can look back to history and you can find many men who put Moral in front of victory in wars. It is our shame that we turned this bad today and men have no honor anymore.
The only time Ethics and morals come into play during war is when its over and “war criminals” are beign prosecuted for unethical treatment of prisoners or some bs like that. You ever hear “the victors write the history books”? That the only time ethics plays a real role. Yes on the front soldiers dont kill each other sometimes. one gets lucky and is let go or freed. Or soem general lets a route for a populouse to escape a conflict. yes it happens but in war where millions of lives are at stack and a whoel race is going to get demolished. there are no ethical lines. Its brutality vs brutality and the one that can endure wins.
@RedRussian
So why soldiers fight the battle?
WHy do soldiers fight any battle? For their personal belifes and or sometimes under a barrel. They fight for their people and relatives.
RedRussian,mind your spelling.
So there is a smell of moral and ethics in there what do you think?
For the common soldier? sure ofcorse there are once that shield children from bullets. ones that jump on grenades to save friends. In the individual case there is and always will be. However On a larger scale there is none. In war it is as brutal as it gets. If there is an apartment building with civiliand but soldiers are hiding in it. blow down the building. It is not in teh ntrest of the military to infiltrate the buildign looking for enemies. its easyer to blow it up adn have no lives lost of your own soldiers. Yes its brutal and yes its not “moral” however nothign shoudl stand in between the lives of 100+ million people.
Every one is talking about the us having a terrible small ground force not true. The Marines are probably the 2nd best trained G.I.s in the world if your talking about pure combat.(1st probably the Spetsnaz) and not to mention China army is tenably trained much less trained than most any US force.
My guesses: if the US is defeated, it will be an internal collapse due to corrupt politics, undisciplined finances, and overconfidence. If China is defeated, it will be a revolt of its own people against an oppressive government which denies them freedoms deserved by all people. Neither country would attack the other under any “reasonable” circumstances due to mutually assured destruction.
It’s unfortunate that people so strongly identify with the particular chunk of soil they happened to be born on that they forget we are all members of the same human race and more alike than we realize. It’s easier to stereotype members of another country and say “They” are all a certain way. It’s also easy to judge an entire nation for the action of its leaders, even when many living in that country may not agree with those actions. Does any nation truly operate as one body and mind?
Perhaps at some point in the future, better sources of resources and energy can be found so that countries do not have to compete against each other in order to advance. A clean, abundant, renewable energy source would go a long way towards this. Imagine the problems that could be solved if all of the most powerful countries worked together instead of feeling threatened by each other. Like it or not, we’re all in this together, and many problems today affect everyone on the planet. This page only serves to inflame those unproductive sentiments and bring out the worst of humanity. Progress towards a true global society can only take place once individual people in each country put aside their personal ambitions and distrust. That starts with you and me.
Why would anyone want the u.s and china to fight a war. Who ever thinks that should be shot (just kidding). But seriously a war between the two would be devastating to both parties. But to get to the topic a hand the U.S would win in a conventional war just as “Gomzi” stated. Even then the U.S would suffer tremendous casualties probably anywhere from 50,000 kia or wia to 500,000. While China would lose anywhere from 100,000 kia and wia to 5 million kia or wia. But on the other hand the U.S would suffer more economically than China. But if it becomes a nuclear war then were not talking about 100 million dead on both sides, but the end of world. The nuclear fallout and the dust created by the explosions would block sunlight for many years therefore creating many famines and possibly a miny ice age and with that many will die.
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China may win. The war already began. China is purchasing the world. China, (the enemy) is even manufacturing some of U.S. weapons. It will be a conventional war. All satellites may be destroyed. High tech weapons will be of no good. The U.S. is in financial problem. Usually, the country with the most money wins the war. Remember Russian and Germany during during the second world war. Germany had the best weapons, soldiers, etc. However, they lacked on fuel, manpower, etc. The Russians had more factories than the Germans had. Read the history of war. U.S. won world war 2 because they were the largets industrial nation. China is now the largest industrial nation. And China is becoming larger and richer. I will not be surprised if over 1 million chinese airplanes attack any country at the same time. China has the manpower. I don’t know of any country that has over 1 millons defense missels to shotdown 1 million airplanes. It will be too expensive.
I personally don’t think USA would have any chance against China.
USA Democratic country.
-> this is one of the reason. Its security & services are public based. Everything is disclosed to president of USA or Parliament. They have the right to know how much funds to give etc.
China
-> The country government is dictatorship not democratic. The government wont disclose how much advanced their weapons & Equipments are.
America has better technology then China?
-> This maybe true on public level. But not on military level. China may be far more superior in biological weapons & technologies. They just wont announce it, to keep low profile.
-> CHINA’s Government is far richer then america. They have trillions of US dollars for spare. Its like they are making fun of america’s economy.
Think of labor cost building 1 airfleet by United State.
Compare the cost with building 1 airfleet by china.
It will be waay cheaper. China would make 5-10 most advanced air fleet which would make only 1 basic airfleet by american.
Not to mention if China Vs USA war breakout. There is high chance of alliance between Russia,China, India and other countries.
“The only winning move is not to play” Wargames. I belive that common sense and self preservation will prevent a WWIII scenario.
the US is a strong nation but sadly the whole entire world would have to gang up on China for them to actually be defeated with their HUGE military and lets not forget north korea that’s also has a large army, personally if the US had prevented China from even thinking of becoming communist or taken it over after its disaster mess war with Japan none of this would even happen and all we would have to worry about is North Korea that with help of the Russian army we could defeat
Hi All,
Interesting feedback and comments. I have served with the british military, it was what i was good at at my friend have died due to political greed and Religous hate.
The war in the middle east has raged for 1000 years and it is not worth dragging other countries into a dispute which is not thier own. If the western powers can have ballistic missiles then why cant other countries?
Is it worth the lives of all the men that have been lost? All this arguing over who has got the biggest balls and who is the superpower ect. At the end of the day there is one way to look at it. The US s powerful because it does have the manpower, technology and the Allies. China have been doing this for milleniums. For as long as history goes there has been conflict there.
To be honest if the view of the world leaders is to create situations where disputes can happen then they should not be in power.
A War settled by words can be the only war won.
I enjoy what i do and i am good at it. I serve with the best there is. However there is always a different path to take. Stop fighting each other and work together for the good of everyone.
China would never want to have a war with the United States again. However, China will always continue to strengthen its military strengh for a possible war with the United States.
The chinese people never see the americans as their enemy, because for the China, the only truly enemy is Japan, which was once upon a time also your enemy.
Perhaps you’ve already forgotten, long long time ago, China and the US were allies during WWII. We were friends, and never an enemy to each other. The korean war was only a silly war which Mao was forced by Stalin to fight against the US. This however would never happen again.
Again, China would never want to fight against the americans, but as a Chinese, I can tell you that China would never be afraid to have a war with anyone if forced to be. And we are always prepared to .
LOL China is never going to ally with India. Adding India as an ally would not help anyway. China has always sponsored and supported whether militarily or economically its puppet state of pakistan. Pakistan would have collapsed decades ago if it were not for Chinese support. The arrogant Americans naively think that they can tame pakistan, by appeasing it first and now fighting a weak proxy war via afghanistan. This is the same america that lost in the korean war and vietnam proxy wars against china. Notice how bashing america and the west is so popular in pakistan, whereas when china was “taking good care” of its uighurs in xinjiang there was not one squeak out of pakistan. Pakistan’s long term interests are definitely allied at the minimum with Beijing if not directly coordinated by the CCP itself.
I am a chinese american in the united states Navy. What should happen is the United states and China should team up and take over the rest of the world. After they decimate the rest of the world. The US will take north and south americas, africa and split europe. China will take Asia, Austrailia, and the other half of europe. and the chinese american alliance will rain supreme for all eternity.
LONG LIVE CHAMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is ironic that Americans protest against the idea that they are stupid and then believe that the size of penises is the be-all and end-all of one’s existence. Looks like Americans missed the evolution train at some point of time, and got stuck in between being an ape and a human. What would you be comparing next, the size of your clubs?
I is not like the Chinese would put their 10 million soldiers in crowded circles, waiting for the American ICBMs to strike the centres.
im a pilino i live in phillipines believe me man almost people in the phillipines are pro american infact most of us speak english rather than our dialec..but in terms of war china and us people in the phillipines will never support in us….so dont think all you called allies today will be your allies in war in future…
This topic is pointless so long as Anti-Americanism and Anti-China sentiments persist.
China will never win USA bcoz of the distance between contiguous USA and China.China’s huge ground forces are just waste products against USA since China will never have the chance to field a beachhead on US West Coast.China have the numbers so what?Are Chinese soldiers biologically amphibious to be able to swim across the Pacific Ocean and overrun USA?Bullshit!Even if China moves across the Pacific,they have to pass through numerous US garrisons stationed around the Pacific.Invasion of Chinese forces on USA is made impossible by logistical inconvenience.
What about invasion of US forces on China? It won’t happen! Why?USA can’t even win the hearts and minds of the Chinese.Let’s assume that USA penetrated China’s defence and occupy China,it will be the most gruesome nightmare ever for US forces bcoz they have to face a 1 billion potential guerilla fighters.Not even a US military colt can sleep,for fear of never-ending ambushes by the Chinese.If in Vietnam US lost 60,000 men,in China they will lose millions of soldiers.
Final resolution,apocalypse Nuke or peace deal.China would lose 1/2 of its population in a US nuclear barrage, but such an act will provoke the deadliest revenge against USA in the future.The leftover Chinese will have only one thing in mind ——Cannibalism.Since most crops are destroyed in a Nuclear War,the only thing to eat is American flesh.OMG.
USA will be divided in few countries… Texas is first to go….then Lakota which has its legal claims…..now remaining 40% will go down in smaller states
american military is overated f22 cost way too much to be put in war and their are only a couple of them secondly if a american marine steps foot on china he will be facing 1.3 billion people to fight. remeber the sino japenese war japan lost even with far far superior techonolgy. america only came to ww2 to have a piece of russia and chinas glory. if america lost 60.000 men and billions of dollars fighting china will cost them n amount of men and $. lastly for all the american retards who say the pla use stone and sticks and compare ur dicks you guys have less intelligence than a pig chinese army are one of the best trained because their are lots of soldier and lots of trainer and they have the guts to fight because our nation have been invaded by forgin power for 800 years! unlike marines which relies on techonolgy and shit
I believe that china will win, just because of the fact that the chinese military is mainly a defensive military as opposed to us military which is an offensive, force. Also, china’s population can easily overwhelm the US’s by around 250 million and thats just the army. People might argue that the US’s military has supposedly and yes a lot is true “futuristic and up-to date weapons” but the chinese have people, every person equipped with some sort of weapon. For example, if the US shoots one grenade.. i forgot what it was called, well it impacts the inside of a building but nothing outside is eliminated, the chinese would just EASILY get 500 men and arm them with 6-pac grenade launchers, the house would be obliterated. I personally think that china will win, not because of it’s strength, but because of the overwhelming population.
Well, the situation would change as it evolved. As it is now, the United States strategy would be a steal from the British play-book during the Opium Wars a few hundred years ago. First priority would be to gain naval and air superiority over the seas around China and its major industrial complex’s. The British knew that for all their technology, strategy, and tactical expertise, that they could not possibly overcome the superior numbers and cultural strength of the Chinese. The US is also aware of this reality and would not pretend for a moment that an occupation would be possible. Instead, the US would employ several strategies after achieving dominance in the air and sea. From the onset of war, the US would have anywhere from six months to a year before China could re-tool its economy to outproduce the United States. If the US could not cripple trade and infrastructure by that time than a Chinese victory would be assured given numerical superiority. This would be difficult for the Chinese because it would be cheap, easy, and relatively low risk for the US to destroy roads, factories, buildings, and industrial centers via cruise missiles and bombing raids. The US would be limited to only taking city centers and industrial areas and forcing a Chinese surrender. There would be no way of either country completely destroying the other and lets all hope it is never attempted. Unfortunately, as I type this, the old maxim “The two biggest kids on the block will eventually fight” comes to the forefront of my mind.
a war against china will be americas last
they got defeated by vietnam china is 100 times stronger
and if such war did happen the remaining world will not shut their ass up and see the massacre. england i hope is sensible enough to keep out of it. russia would see it as a chance to finish america. even nuclear capable india will not see just see the show.india and china are blood rivals but against america all chinese and indians WILL unite.
u talk of destroying chinese economy (?) go and read history they have seen much worse than USA. US millitary strength is a hype to wage propaganda war against its own people. Even CIA accepts that during cold war if USSR had attacked first, US would be slaughtered in few hours. that is why they wanted to initiate Star War prog.
More so americans live on their satellites for even basic navigation in see. China is well capable of destroying them in matter of hours. without them americans are as blind as ants.
America isnt big brother anymore.
They need to sort out Iran and North Korea. China is long way.
So long Yanks..
YOU STUPIDS all of you,… in the next big war between 2 super powers …they gonna start with troops and tanks but they will end with atomic bombs …..and the winner will be the war itself … and if you are proud that your country has military power but you dont have medical insurance …then you are stupid 10×10….
probably the USAF will be the first to go down. first chinese will blow their F 22 raptor’s stealth hype. without their AF US is weaker then Bangladesh.
WOW, americans think they could defeat CHina when they can’t even win against Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. You people got high belief on yourselves, and it might get you killed one day.
THere is no way the U.S. could ever defeat China. THeir population is over three times bigger than my country. Most CHinese citizens support their government. If the UNited States declared war, the citizens would not support it and many would riot, even if China initiated the war. Another problem the U.S. would face is not having a draft. All U.S. military forces are volunteers.
Another thing I must add is lets say the U.S. did manage to seize CHina, do you think those billion plus Chinese citizens would just sit and allow their several thousand years of culture be destroyed by a 234 year old country devoid of any culture?
Cperea is out of his mind
In a realistic point of view, the US would only stand a chance via EU aid in which case with our western technology and the population boost of the EU, we might stand a chance. It is a hands down fact that as of now we have a technological edge but not by much, the chinese are gaining on us and fast.
My gf is Chinese. I do hope this thing never takes place. and even if it does, my loyalties are with her, not with either country. sorry but that is the deep truth of life, yes? besides, both Chinese and Americans have more in common that most people realise… a war would be stupid when we can achieve more through cooperation.
I think the over rating of the US military has only to do with the way we have chosen to conduct operations. During WWII when we decided to fire bomb Germany and Japan and Carpet bomb continually both until both nations were be devistated. With Air Superiority, nothing could withstand such firepower for very long. I beileve we have the same capabilty and more, but because of the human right campaigns aimed at non disciminate killing, has forced us into a corner with World opinion, and weaken our resolve to type of war No country with the same or greater military power could win. God forbid we should harm innocent civilians. If we went into Irag (at the time) and just started at the beginning and massed bombed, city after city, the People themselve would outst those responsible. They’d be crying uncle LONG ago..
Sorry, but the US military will decline and can’t win against China. China can’t win either. The sad part is US will be able to fight on Chinese territory, so casualty for China is much higher.
In the future, white people in the US will be a minority, so most people are of non-white origin. That being said, US will be come less imperialistic when white people stop being afraid of their own shadow.
You all who are basing your decisions on past and current wars are missing one key fact. We currently have a few hundred thousand in our active military, and out of this high percentage are not in battle but doing logistical support. If and when a war that threatens the continental US then the people of america would enlist in droves (or else the draft would be reinstituted). 118 million people in the US are fit for military service. Despite China having 6 times that number, when you multiply our current military capabilities by 100-200 times we would win.
Also do not forget that China is threatening (what I mean is they are becoming stronger and making some uncomfortable) many other of our allies particularly the old powers in NATO and also Japan so we would have far greater capabilities in terms of assistance and bases worldwide, we occupy afghanistan which borders china. Their only threat to the us is economic, when they sell off our currency hyperinflation would set in, also they could drastically reduce our will to fight by not producing the almost countless types of things they export here. One other option is nuclear war, we have over 9000, they have a few hundred but not many that could reach CONUS (continental us). In the end any type of war would be terrible for both sides with the UNITED STATES COMING OUT ON TOP.
Most are saying that USA will have to win at the end, but thats not ture in real war factor. Yes, if USA dose go to war with China that will be WW3 because let’s not forget during the Korean war China push the US out of North Korea. There may be a war becuase the Earths natrual reasoures are running out and the world may pick sides or let the war be free for all with both sides with major loss. So lets try to stop this war or the world would be in ruins for the survivers. ( Sorry about spelling never was my strong point)
Im reading all of this and the first point I would like to make is that warring would literally achieve nothing, for looser or winner. I know this is a scenario but let us remind ourselves of this.
Next, if it was a completely even war where the only difference were units, aka human beings, the US has more experience but China has much more people, their standing army is about double ours is not caught up in other wars. If this was a conflict with true dedication behind it then both would inevitably pass a conscription, the US pulling all stops might have 50 million soldiers who would be fresh, this would leave barely enough for at home quarrels, material production and of course reproduction of Americans. China on the other hand pulling from its over 1.3 billion population and much better organization–communism does have it’s upsides–they could form about 400 million more troops. Hence USA looses.
Still, China would never have to run this distance. Look at the back of your computer, maybe on the bottom of your coffee mug, your printer standing idly by–chances are there are made in CHINA. Now, no coffee mug ever decided a war but my point is that we are completely reliant on the Chinese’s manufacturing now. Some of you have said why not just stop importing Chinese goods–well, how long can you go without food. If China wished to cripple us they could simply stop sending us food and we would be facing mass starvation.
I realize many of these posts were written before the American economy reached its bottom but now that it has and is struggling to stay afloat much less to repair itself, remember war in great part relies on money. We are already in the whole trillions (to China) and China is possibly now the greatest creditor nations, and has been able to do so amazingly easily. They have so much money from exports they would be fine if we never made good on our debts–they might not notice. We loose here again.
The one thing we have left is good old project manhattan. Our ace up our sleeve for many Cold War days. I have always been against such large scale bombs on a moral basis for they are made to target civilians. Really though, who wins in a nuclear war?–no one. Think about that, understand that. If one nuke is sent a hundred other countries will send theirs up. Of course no one has yet to build any sort of a defense against it so were all dead. Its the rat letting the cat out of the cage.
So to recap, in all instances we would loose to China. We can thank whatever god we believe in that this is all fictional. However, were this by some misfortune to become true it would all still apply. The greatest thing war has ever taught us is too never war again. Yet, it is a possibility, with China buying up so many energy reserves and US’s crutch would be oil if we were to name one. China historically has never been an aggressive country although we are.
Some of you have said why not just stop importing Chinese goods–well, how long can you go without food. If China wished to cripple us they could simply stop sending us food and we would be facing mass starvation.
I understand the point but in terms of food we produce most of it ourselves in is manufactured goods where we get into trouble
I hope some of you Americans are just trying to pull our legs. Otherwise you’re making yourselves and your country look like a bunch of mindless redneck neanderthals.
@MiddleMan: Yes, if the USA “multiplied” their force by 100 times via conscription, do you really think they would still be able to project the same amount of power they do now? They can’t afford it as it is in their current war against some overrated cavemen, what do you think will happen when they have to pay 100x as much, WITH their enemy being their biggest previous creditor?
Just out of curiousity have any of you even read the information above on the Chinese military which I must mention has a budget only a small fraction the size of the US.
Yes they have a lot of troops but what do they have to support them? Old soviet 50’s 60’s and a little 70’s era technology or systems copied from them.
Defense analysts conservatively put western tech at 4 times more effective than even the most recent soviet designs and you expect that a huge horde with obsolete antiques is going to take on the most highly funded, advanced, and powerful military in the history of the world?
You’re out of your mind. China still fights with OLD soviet era junk as well as with their military doctrine. Guess what? Iraq fought with those same tactics back in 1991 and got wiped off the map. Their officer corps is not the intitiative based and flexible machine that the US has, they have inflexible plans made at the General level and take large ammounts of time to change or innovate.
No, I stand by my previous decision, if we went to war with China and they met us on the battlefield with everything they had, they would be crushed.
One last thing about the quality of troops and even back during the days of Sparta, troop quality mattered. US has an all volunteer superbly trained military. China relies almost entirely on two years conscripts just like Russia. You people need to stop looking at mere numbers of troops, tanks, aircraft, etc. Start looking at what they actually have and what they can do with them.
SGT.Dela…you are not taking into account the scale that this war would be.America would also have to rely on conscripts. China is a far more advanced country than Iraq and indeed the performance of the US military there was far from impressive given the great disparity in size between the two nations.Chinas equipment now is far from obsolete antiques given that it is rapidly becoming a high tech nation.Also take into account that China unlke Iraq has the ability to knock out that keystone of American military doctrine..the survailance and guidance satelites.And American aircraft in Chinese airspace would certainly not enjoy the free and easy ride they had over Iraq and Afghanistan.Any american army that managed to set foot on Chinese soil would face guerilla warfare on a scale never before seen.And I am sure in a desperate situation the American fleets off shore would face devasting conventional and Kamikaze attacks from the Chinese airforce.To compare the war in Iraq with a Sino American conflict is pointless.One is a giant beating up a little guy the other is two giants battling to the death.
Henry… I respectfully disagree. The US has about 3 million active and reserve troops with which to use, and even taking into account that we’re still heavily involved in Iraq and and afghanistan at the time of war, our military is designed to fight a major war (china) as well as two or three smaller scale wars (Iraq, Afghanistan).
China as a whole is more advanced than Iraq, but their military is not, just larger.
I don’t mean to say that China does not have the latest Russian tech such as the sukhoi class fighter, but they have them in very small numbers. 90-95% of their stuff is OLD and nothing more than targets for US war machines.
Yes I am aware of Chinas capability of anti satelite missiles, but I do remind you that our satelites do have defenses, and do you not think that a military with a $700 billion dollar defense budget doesn’t have a few back up systems as well as plans in case several defense satelites are taken out?
I also have to disagree on your assessment of Chinese Kamikazee attacks or guerilla warfare. That is as if saying Chinese society/ culture is the same as pre-ww2 Japan, or for that matter countries known for resisting (using guerilla tactics) more powerful countries such as Vietnam + Afghanistan. First off China does not have weapons to arm a large number of their civilians. Secondly, ever heard of T-square/ the many recent protests/ tibet/ uyger turks/ or the 1 billion chinese that work for near nothing under the thumb of the totalitarian regime?
No my friend, not only are these people not Kamikazee’s, they are not guerilla fighters, nor would they fight for a country that would undoubtedly be turned into a democracy after an American victory where they would make more than $2 a day.
I agree that this wont be a giant beating down a lil guy, but this will be Brock lestner fighting tank abbot. Hope you’re a UFC fan, so you can understand that
Cheers
SGT.Delta…with respect to you also.It strikes me how your view is very similar to the expectations of the German leadership before they launched Barbarossa.They thought they would be facing an army with obsolete weapons and poorly led and a population eager to overthrow their goverment also.Anyhow we all know how that went.Never underestimate nationalism.Regarding the question of would the Chinese air force resort to Kamikaze attacks.Well if I remember correctly did not a chinese pilot ram and bring down an American spyplane just a few years ago losing his life in the process.Also the physcial size of a nation can be a major factor in its military capacity as an army with a large landmass at its back can keep withdrawing and stretching its enemies supply lines to breaking point again the Russian example which applies also in Chinas case.Oh and sorry never heard of Brock Lestner or Tank Abbot I assume they are boxers yeah?..best regards
War is not all about technology or numbers. They are a importent part of war but turely we have no clue who will win a war with USA VS China. In this case I have to agree with Henry. Sorry SGT.Delta but thinking you have a sure win in war is the only way to badly lose a war. Always give it your all in war, because if you don’t you’ll lose more lives then needed to calm things down agian.
HENRY,
Go back to your pub and drink some more warm beer. Damn i think everyone is dumber after reading your stupid, pointless ramblings.
When was the last time that Canada,Ireland and Australias opinion really mattered to the world anyway ?
Henry… The Germans did not learn from history. The depth of Russia (making resupply and reinforcement difficult) as well as the inevitable winter (which wiped out most of Napoleons army) was not taken into account and lead to the superior German forces to be worn down and eventually surrounded by Russian forces.
The population did greet the Germans at first as liberators since under Stalin millions of people were killed. BUT the Germans made another mistake by destroying this advantage by their genocide.
Hitler (and stalin for that matter) made decisions and plans at his level that were inflexible and lead to his commitment to costly engagements at Moscow and Stalingrad when he could have surrounded the cities and moved on to capture needed oil fields. Germany made every mistake they could and negated their advantages by turning the people against them and not planning for winter. Confidence was not their downfall.
China does not have that depth since its major cities are all along their eastern coast and to the west of the country is largely mountainous without effective roads with which to withdraw or advance, not to mention several territories praying for the overthrow of the current Chinese govt.
Nelly… I do agree with your point that there are certain factors that cannot be taken into account that can influence the outcome. In perfect conditions the US military would roll over the Chinese, but thats with them playing to the US strength. Also a war with a country that big would require a major spark which I do not forsee for at least another 50 years.
If there really is a war, no one would win. Although the us have a larger air force and navy (and also more powerful), its not just conventional equipment that counts. The chinese have an army of 8 million (counting paramilitary) and all are armed with modern weapons such as the QBZ-95. Though china will, for the time being not be able to attack us, the us cannot invade an inch of chinese soil. If the us use nuclear weapons, the chinese will also use them. Although the us has more nukes, the chinese have enough to destroy every major city in the us, crippling it’s already unstable economy. It would be suicidal t bomb china, because it has perhaps an unpenatratable sam defence, not to mention hundreds of su-27 and su-30s. But war is not just about armies, its about economy too. The americans owe china trillions of doolars, and the only way they are able to continue with their spend more than earn ways are to borrow money from china and japan. If china were to stop lending money to the us, the us economy would collapse. However, the same would happen to china, becuse a lot of chinee money is in the us econmy. With both economies severly damaged, any war would be stopped. however, if the war continues, the chinese would inevitably win, because, for more than 4000 years, the chinese have lived on agriculture. the people of china would continue to live, and even thrive due to the fact that they can efficienly live off the earth, mabye even continue to fight the war. Im not saying the US cant do the same, it’s just that the chinese have been without technology for a long time, whereas the us have never done the same. Also, the us dont have many allies. Tough they have countries like germany, france (EU) on there side, and of course japan and taiwan as cronies, the chinese have russia and other countries that are not as rich as the EU. The americans couldnt win the vietnam war, they were beaten by ill-equipded ill trained guerillas popping out of holes. china is similar, except they are well trained (perhaps even better the the us itself) and are equiped with modern weapons. And whats more, the chinese have people, lots of them who will do anything to keep their country safe.
CHRIS
canada is the major supplyer of oil to america we are pretty much your most important ally which you have very little.
china is able to not be conquered by any body for 5 thousand years america is not the biggest challenge china faced. china is not like iraq, f 22 is just propoganda by the us government each one cost more than bill gates ever will make and a simple sam missle can shoot it down, a f117 got shot down in yugoslavia by a anti aircraft gun by a couple of militia and a b2 bomber destroyed it self in guam and 2 buildings got rammed by some muslim people
Hruby… I must once again state that their military (including reserve, active, and para) is NOT well equipped or trained, let alone armed with advanced weapons.
It is not impossible to invade any country, and the US has a long history of being great at amphibious invasions. Just look at what we did to Japan, a country that took China apart. China does not have great numbers of SU-27’s or Su-30’s, especially not hundreds. BTW the F-22 has a projected kill ratio of 30:1 over the SU-27, and even our F-15’s have taken out the most advanced Migs without even one F-15 lost. Read the articles above and you’ll see that a majority of Chinese planes are old J-6/7 and hardly up for a fight against US legacy fighters.
You obviously haven’t studied Economics because it is evident you don’t understand that it is the world bank that loans the US money, not China or Japan directly. China has bought US govt bonds, in essense “loaning us money” but that is hardly a major part of our useable money. The US economy is not based on the govt income, it is based on American consumers. IF American consumers decide to stop buying Chinese goods, then it would be Chinas economy who would collapse.
A war would not last years, just months. And we would not be fighting every man woman and child, I think your idea of what war is, is severely uneducated.
Let me remind you that China couldn’t win a war against Vietnam. We won every battle but were fighting against HIGHLY funded veteran guerillas who had been fighting for decades. Armed with the latest Soviet and Chinese military equpment. It wasn’t a bunch of guys popping out of holes.
Dela…the Chinese forces that fought the Americans and their allies in the Korean war were far less well equipped than the modern Chinese forces and still they managed to send the American army on its longest retreat ever and the Chinese did not even have an air force artillery or armour!!.And only supply and logistic problems stopped them short of total victory.It is also pointless to equate victory or defeat in an air war over China based on aircraft performance manuals.An example of what I mean by that is the air war over north Vietnam where the tiny Vietnamese airforce in mostly obsolete aircraft gave the American bomber hordes a hard and bloody time.They done this by employing clever and innovative tactics by denying the Americans the opportunity to use their technological advantage and they combined with smart use of ground defences turned rolling thunder into rolling disaster with nearly one thousand American aircraft lost.What makes you think the Chinese are incapable of doing the same?.Another thing dont forget the scale of the war we are discussing here American forces will not have the luxury of calling in a fighter bomber to every little sniper attack.This will not be Iraq or Afghanistan where America has overwhelming superiority in all areas.And another thing the China of today is not the fragmented nation Japan invaded so any comparision is meaningless.You are also under the illusion that the Chinese want to be liberated THEY DONT.If America invaded China they would be fighting every man woman and child.The Chinese have been humiliated by foreigners in the past they will NEVER NEVER allow that to happen again.Oh and you state about America being great at amphibious invasions “look what we did to Japan”.You ended the war with Japan by terrorism using weapons of mass destruction.You do not have that option with China as you would be repayed in kind.
I agree with your closing comments that America ended the war with Japan by terrorism using weapons of mass destruction, because the knew Japan did not have these kind weapons of mass destruction to hit them back, but with China they do not have that option available to them and they China will also hit hard where it hurts most with their weapons of mass distruction.
Please remember China is no Iraq or Afghanstan even Americans have found tough going in these two poor, small and developing countries.
If war goes all out, then yes China can lose. If war remains conventional then NO. But have to say that China have more allies than USA. Do not consider EU an ally for any war in future.
Most people recognize continental USAs distance from others as an advantage, and it is, for defensive purpose. However for offensive task it is a major hindrance. It is isolated.
Other nuke powers in the worlds are all clustered together. China(400)-Russia(8000)-India(*)-Pakistan(*)-N.Korea(*). There is no way to distinguish between whether an ICBM heading this way or that.
US had proposed project for global hypersonic non-nuclear strike weapon (WaveRider) on shelf for more than a decade now. The only reason they did not go forward with it untill recently was an accidental nuclear armaggedon. It might be the only superpower right now but Russia still has more than enough juice in it to vapourise entire US and EU.
So forget about initial missile strikes before actually landing troops on chinese mainland. They will not risk it. I have no doubt that there enough dumbheads in pentagon to actually start realizing WaveRider system. But what can you say? They were stupid enough to prepare to attack us (India) in 1971 on behalf of Pakistan just 10 years after there humiliating defeat in Vietnam.
And DELA, your fighter kill ratios are just useless. Most of these are against pilots trained on toy planes. During Korean war the US (so called UN) forces had pushed past 38Th parallel and turned most of NK air force to scrape metal. However the moment China intervened, that great kill ration took a sharp fall. That helped the chinese to push the US on backfoot and retreat.
That was about the skill. You say that USs fighters are high tech. So could the chinese. It wont be the first time if US miss estimates chinas capabilities to half of real (ex missile range, warhead yields, tanke counts, chemical weapon stockpile etc.)
And about number. Today it is China not US which has the largest air force at its disposal.
Ok with the amount of nuclear weapons stockpiles there is enough to sterilise the surface of the planet. If that happens there will be no USA, there will be no China, there will be no Europe, Asia, South America, Pacific or Africa, there will be no Middle East. THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT!!!!!! Why do we have to argue who will win when we all know that no one will. What’s the point of this discussion? What’s the point in rattling our sabres at each other. There is no point!! When we are all dead it won’t matter to us one bit. The universe certainly doesn’t care we are just a blip on the landscape and the universe will carry on once we are all gone. There is no point to this discussion. Why don’t you all just concentrate in living your lives in peace and trying to better yourself rather than poking your tongue out at each other like 5 year olds. Why don’t you all grow up.
This really disappoints me to see that my actual reply did not get posted. Basically in a nutshell Iraq and afghanistan are not to be underestimated. US fought soviet pilots in korea who had superior aircraft. Those who speak of Vietnam on here should actually read up on the history of the conflict, not just from the North Vietnams side of it, or the fact that we did not complete our mission.
The projected kill ratios are done using capabilities as well as how well the raptors did against hundreds of US legacy fighters with US pilots who have more training and flight hours than any other pilots in the world by far.
As far as US ending WW2 with “terrorism” that can be said about any act in just about any war by any nation. We did what we had to and saved at least as many lives of US soldiers than civilians we killed. Lets not forget Japan was no angel. And to Hentry, I think you should know better than anyone that your close neighbor Britain has caused far more suffering around the world than the US has.
I can’t believe this debate has gone on as long as it has. In the days of global interdependce we should never see a war amongst industrial nations.This holds especially true when talking about the United States and China. At the citizen’s level, American companies rely on offshoring for cheap labour to keep profits where they are, because here in America there isn’t nearly as many people seeking “blue collar” factory jobs as there are in China. Since Americans mainly seek “white collar” office jobs where their salaries rely on said offshoring factories. Now this also benefits China due to the US Dollar s current (for how much longer?) superiority to the Chinese yen, thus allows American companies to pay Chinese workers less than American minimum wage but still giving them way more than the majority Chinese based jobs. At the government level, China and the US rely too heavily on each other’s stability to even impose sanctions on one another much less fight each other. Think of global currencies as a stock market.China has invested too much into the US Government and American businesses (which lobby our Government) have invested too much into Chinese labour. If a war broke out our system of interdependence would be made more obvious to the common citizens of both nations resulting in a call for peace on both sides. The American businesses would collapse while the Chinese economy (not Yen) would collapse as its unemployment rate would skyrocket. Actually both sides would see a rise in unemployment. Both sides would lose income tax revenues thus putting a stranglehold on both Governments. China and the US simply need each other right now. China needs American companies to provide its citizens with jobs, while American companies and consumers need China to keep prices on various products stable. We Americans are horrible consumers with our failing credit card system paired with the fact that we only make up 3% of the worlds population while consuming 25% of its energy. You can spend forever and day debating over both country’s military might and not get anywhere since war is truly unpredictable. So, if this unaffordable war where to happen the EU and Russians that would be lending both sides the money to fight it would be the only winners.
P.S. To all Non-American posters: we (the citizens) are not seeking war with anybody. Many of us wish our country would be more like Switzerland and stay out of international conflicts while remaining a power in the international economy. Actually, at George Washington’s farewall address he warned us to stay out of foreign alliances (God how I wish my country had listened).
I apologize but I left out one more important thing on this issue: if this war were to happen it would be mainly Barack Obama’s fault. For 2010 he pledged $6.4 billion in weapons for Taiwan. I don’t know one person here who gives a shit about Taiwan or Tibet for that matter. I honestly believe if China took over Taiwan today we would only talk badly about them to the UN and cut off weapons aid while providing essentials to Taiwan.
But, we Americans all have an opinion when it comes to the Korean Peninsula. We could very easily overthrow NK’s Govt since it is essentially a failed state caught up in the military industrial complex. They need a threat or the belief of a threat to keep their citizens in favor of their current system. If we could somehow educate the North Koreans they would overthrow their govt for us. Should a war break out amongst the North and South then you will have China and the US at War. The world must take this ability away from Kim Jong Il
irish henry you’re wicked you talk sense like a true professional
Im from Connecticut and i am truly a patriot. But even still i won’t clound my head in the false reality that the u.s. could even temporarily hold a patch of ground on chinese soil. If we tried this America would quickly be violently expelled from chinese territory. The United States has a sizable, technological, and obviously capable military machine. Best in the world hands down. Sure the chinese have numbers but thats where their advantages mainly stop. The best the chinese could do would be to hold up and defend themselves from us americans short of nuclear weapons. They have no bluewater navy, and poor and underequipped airforce, an overstaffed and lacking army, and a strengthening though still relatively poor economy and middle class. Russia can not legitimatley benefit from a sino-american conflict. Their population is deppresed and rapidly declining. They have many rescources that they are not fully capable of exploiting. Maybe in a decade or two they can turn things arounds but they are not close. BUT back to the discussion. China’s population is extremely concentrated on the Pacific coast. Cruise missles and bombers intended for military targets would inevitably cause high amounts of collateral damage in China. This could likely boost the determination against the superior foe. They would likely not give up and niether side would win. Only china would lose.. GOD BLESS AMERICA- “we saved the world once, and we saved the world twice.” Also US war production if organized and orchestrated, simply has no equal and continues to increase in potential.
i hope us get what it deserve by getting there ass bombed and nuked
In a war of attrition, the chinese advantage in manufacturing expertise and infrastructure would prove to be huge.
In reality neither country could occupy any of the other country for very long, the populace wouldn’t stand for it.
The battle would be fought in some defenseless country as a middle ground. Also what would they be fighting over? Probably control of an oil supply, so the battle would probably fall in africa or the middle east. The cost of fighting the war would outweigh the benefit to either side except for military contractors.
As far as a nuclear strike, you need a consensus from all powers capable of retaliating before you can make a first strike so disregarding insanity it’s not a likely scenario unless used as total war for an endgame where there is no chance of counter strike.
What people seem to forget in Iraq, Vietnamn, etc. Is that in those scenario’s the U.S had no problem with the conventional armies of the countries, but with the insurgency and guerrilla warfare that followed. The standing army’s of the PLA realistically would not be capable of winning a war. Where China could win a war of attrition is through gorilla warfare such as the Vietnamese did. The Chinese equipment and training are inferior to that of the U.S but as the Vietnamese and Afghani’s have proven that doesn’t always win wars.
US is no doubt a stable nation but Looking at whats happening in Afghanistan and Iraq, can US think that it can win a war against china ? With all their forces including NATO and India’s help, US seems to have realized that they have made another blunder in afghanistan like vietnam. Presently there is an average of 100 deaths of foriegn troops and day by day it is swindling out of control. With all the mess, US wants to handover afghan business to India after July 2011 to which India seems to say “NO”. When an armless poor country can take a so called superpower for a long defeating ride, its unimaginable to even think entering into dragon’s mouth. US is ready declare to victory and runaway from afghan. Its pushing Hamid Karzai to break a deal with the Haqqani wing of Taliban. China has about million suicide squads and can just airlift and drop in inside USA. With all this mess, US has only one way, i.e.Indians ! Oh ! I said indians ? Forget it…Sorry my bros…
I do’nt think US and China will fight each other. They are trade partners. If there were a war between there two nations China will eventually win since China has a history for 5000+ years and has much more wisdom to defeat any invaders. Just look back at Korea war and Viet Nam war, China used old fashioned weapons to win the victory. War is not just about weapon but human’s wisdom.
The Yanks have been fed so much propoganda by their government they think they are invincible.
But this is not the case.
The US army is undertrained and overconfident. Furthermore, you would not be able to make the EU save youre ass this time. If you Yanks belive you are all powerfull, you’ve got a nasty shock coming.
oh yeah, one thing i forgot to mention
the us milliatary relies on rare earth metals for their radars, jamming equipment ect.
and where does most of the rare earth metals come from?
china. if china stops exporting rare earth metal to the us, and us vehical destroyed would be REAL hard to replace
and again
war is not a video game, its not just complete a few operations and declare victory, its tactics and more tactics
y did the us lose at vietnam? they had all the modern equipment. the vietnamese were using ak-47s and they lost
its more about people willing to fight, not hus got best thermal scope or cruise missiles that can travel thousands of miles per hour
and for the love of god iraq is gurrila warfare no major orginized country ever won in a area wich gurrila warfare was used agenst them. look at 1 the american revolution, 2 the soviet invasion of afghanistan 3 the mexican war 4 intependence, the french revolution ext. gurrila warfare is one of the most sucsesful way to wage war.
If some of these post are any indication of what we can look forward to in the future I wonder if the Human race will make it to the end of the Century. Alright no one is listening just push the button and kill us all. When you’re dead it doesn’t matter who has won or who has lost.
Non United states citizens are jealous of our power and might. The USA wuld kick chinas ass. The eu is a joke. Nafta is stronger than the EU. More natural resources, more technology. A conventional war between the USA and china wuld be embarrasing. For china. Just like thier poorly made toys, thier tanks, ships, and hardware are of low quality. The united states would send them back to the stone age in a week. Install a new government and be back to spreading freedom across the planet. Quality beats quantity. The us is not agressivr as china is. China oppresses it’s people and that alone will spell the end of that regime. America rules. America has so many secrets it can bring to bear, it keeps you panzee EU members in check And of someday, I find myself looking down the sights of my assault rifle at some poorly equipped shawdow of a soldier holding a bolt action, u can be rest assured, non us citizens, that technology wind in the end
And yet we have another example of an ignorant American.
Although China oppressed some of the people’s freedom, the Chinese population has no problem with it. China is not like North Korea or Burma, its people know about the outside world and is not unhappy to have a communist government. If their materials were truly of low quality, why most of the US product’s are made in China? If a war were to start, the Chinese would have stopped shipping their Chinese made, American brand product to US. Then an economic problem would occur. I think that war is not always about having the best technological advancement but the number of people. If you have one super powerful rifle to fight hundred thousand people armed with a simple pistol, I bet your rifle will require a lot more ammo and you yourself will require a super bulletproof armour, or else you would die within 5 minutes. And from what the I have read, the US is actually very aggressive in its foreign policy, always jerks into every other nations business such as the UK’s lockerbie bomber case. I think that before moving to get China, the US should finish their mess in Iraq and Afganistan first, also cleaning up your mess in Vietnam and Korea would be even better. And I agree with penglang, China survived foreign invasion and internal instability for more than 5000 years, how can it not survive for 5000 years more, its about experience and wisdom of the people not some paranoid president.
Will all of you “unga bunga, we kick ass” idiots quit representing my country (USA) on the internet… Please?
This is how about 1/5 of the population of this country thinks, not all of us are ingnorant, uneducated trash. As for the posters here who generalize all Americans as stupid, arrogant, war mongering, ignorant wastes… You only exposes yourselves as a member of the group you accuse “Americans” of belonging to. -It is however relieving to see that ignorance is most definitely a global affliction.
80%+ of the population of the US would love NEVER to see a war again. In fact, I believe most of us would just assume to pull completely back from any world happenings… We are tired of being the worlds “scape-goat” for every problem that occurs (US policies I am sure are to blame for the Tsunami in the Pacific and various other natural disasters -sarcasm). We are “damned if we do, damned if we don’t.”
Europeans who criticize the US are the best… Who started global imperialism? You know; the age of conquest that carved up the world into unatural borders and countries, of which most current conflicts and wars are a result of?? Oh yes… It was European countries! (I have no ill will towards Europe, I am of German and Irish ancestry… Just getting my shot in, as you all have taken advantage of doing)
Anyway, war between the US and China will not happen. I actually doubt any war, outside of small operations or skirmishes, will happen anytime soon.
If there is a war between US and China, all China has to do is release its 24 trillion USD bonds. That will make the US dollar fall shaply, causing a global rush to cash on dollar reserves before they become as worthless as the paper they’re printed on. With several times more dollars in the market than the size of the US economy, the price of gold will rocket skywards, leading to a mega inflation. Americans will soon find that the can’t even afford fuel for their cars - a nightmarish prospect for a country where most people consider walking a mile a week as ‘heavy exercise’.
why should a War between The US and China happen? undoubtfully, non of us on the earth would like to War to destroy us, we are living for better life, simply for enjoying our lives! at this point as stated that a War between US and China, i should tell everyone all around the world, if the US still interfere the Internal issue of china, as that the reunion for Taiwan(we definitely well known that US as the backup of Taiwan for weapon equipment and infrastructure support), Chinese are standby and fully-prepared for the War against any country that intervene china’s own things. Taiwan is one of the parts for China, on one in the world can deter it from returning to the embrace of its homeland, including US. chinese are tolerant and patient, but if there is someone exasperates her beyond the peak, a war with the opponent would be absolutely inevitable without doubt. so, go away of your America, there is non of your business for the Taiwan issue.
China is not a super power. NATO can not be trusted. The USA would likely nuke the eastern chinese seabord. We’d drop opium from airplanes.
Japan would assist us.
Then they would rape the chinese women.
True story.
Japan? it is heavily reliant on China, so, why should it?
maybe China is not a super power currently in your eyes, but obviously it is now unagressible definitely. if the US initiate the Nuke first, then China will back to you with the same, then China would be destroyed, America ALSO would destroyed, maybe the whole would would be. just do so, if you want to dead. rape chinese women? that’s the history which will never get of such repetition again. so ridiculous!
@tom
Uck! How ignorant are you?
Nukes won’t solve a thing in war. You bombed them, they would also wipe seattle and LA of your west coast too. And truly, Japan has no army since the WW2, they only have economical power. And I do not think they will try to rely on an “ally” who lives across the Pacific while creating an “enemy” right next to their house, right? Or the US would be using Japan as an operation base and China has to attack Japan too? I don’t think the Japanese would want that. And although China is not a G8 member but at least it is a permanent member in the UN security council, that must mean they’ve got something good to balance with the EU or the US. And, the rape of Nanking, that was years ago when China was still weak from internal political struggling(Mao and Jiang Kai Shek and the Qing dynasty), and I do not think that they will allow such incident to happen again. I think this time it will be “The rape of San Francisco” instead, lol.
China is at a severe disadvantage politically and militarily against the United States. China, being under a Communist regime, has inherent weaknesses that not only weaken the stability of the country, but pose a danger to nations with tense relations with China, namely America and its allies.
The Communist Chinese are plagued by a reduction in the base of support in rural areas. Tensions between the government and the people are complimented by the political disunity between national-level government and provincial government. The provinces domestically operate quasi-independently, and conflicts between the national government and the provinces or between provinces have little in the way of institutions designed to solve the issues. This leaves province-level politics cautious and lax in law enforcement. With a reactive conservative in charge of a rapidly reforming power, policy tends to swing rapidly between extremes, producing a level of uncertainty in domestic politics.
Extremes among policies and local governments are mirrored in the tensions between the heads of the Communist Chinese Party and governmental officials. Tensions between members of the ruling class of China are low, but differences between conservative and liberal members of the government and economy have potential for wreaking havoc with the stability of the nation. Before the unification of China under the Communist party, warlords, Nationalists, and Communists were divided by differences in ideology, which fractured leadership and kept the nation from progressing in anything but extremely small pockets. Today, the differences are mitigated, since national aspirations remain the same. However, potential for such a split among the leaders and important figures poses a possibility as a potential catalyst for the failure of the nation.
The country has lost most of the support from rural China, and many of the farming peasants are able to operate nearly out of the control of the CCP. Several instances of the CCP losing control of the people of China are prominent in recent events. Party labor unions and groups have fallen out of favor with the people, often due to the frustration of a people with no means by which to make their political desires and needs known. Since there are no elections and no democratic idea-choosing, pressure builds up among the people, and they become disenchanted with the CCP and their puppet organizations.
Alternatively, China has many advantages. With a monopoly on brute force by the government, there are very few alternative independent groups for the people to join or rally behind, limiting the effectiveness of the disenchantment of the people with the government in regard to the advantage gleaned by opposing countries. However, with the increasing dissatisfaction the people are feeling, compounded by increasing levels of information that cannot be regulated, such as the Internet, the ability to project force upon the people by the government may eventually become compromised by a resistance by the brute force, i.e. the police and the military.
Despite the slipping grip of the CCP on information regulation and flow, the Party is very adept at responding to high-priority threats quickly and effectively. Learning from the incidents in 1989, it is highly unlikely for the Chinese government to allow any minor issue to bloom into a dangerous situation again. As such, the possibility of a small incident quickly developing to a social movement or outright rebellion are minor in the immediate future, but the possibility for rapid instability in China increases as time passes.
The fact that their country has perhaps modernized faster and more effectively then any single nation in the history of the world, as well as experienced economic boosts on almost unprecedented scales is not missed by the Chinese. GDP is increasing at rates of 7-8% per year, and the government is struggling to mitigate the growth to the bare minimum. The economic strength is echoed in political influence among foreign countries as well as military advancement. With the ability to mobilize the world’s highest population to industry and military goals, the Chinese are very aware of their potential threat to the rest of the world.
However, the Chinese also understand that they are limited in what they can do with this weight. In order to garner political support from the also developed West, being Europe and, very specifically, the United States, the Chinese are forced to appeal somewhat to the political desires of the West. Although the Chinese have actively asserted their political might against the West, the general behavior is to fall into step with the West in order to gain recognition and status as true equals and not just upstart Asians with some power, and are attempting it on their own power. Japan is widely accepted as a close ally with the West, but is seen as such because of U.S. assistance.
The Chinese also know that despite their economic and political strength, they are still limited in their martial strength and ability to project it. The Chinese are several military disadvantage compared the Western world, specifically United States. The first major disadvantage the Chinese have against the United States is the difference in technology and efficient soldiering. Part of this stems from the logistical obstacles that the U.S. military has had to overcome. Throughout the 20th century the major battlefields have been on the continents of Europe and Asia. To participate, the United States has had sends troops over a long logistical distance, which has greatly strained supply lines. In order to overcome this deficiency, the United States has cross-trained and equipped soldiers to perform in a multitude of roles on the battlefield. The mentality, training, and tools of the U.S. soldier magnify his effectiveness in combat beyond the capability of most individual enemies. The general Chinese military, specifically infantry, has neither the technological advantages nor the advanced training most American soldiers receive. They are equipped with lower-grade weaponry and cheaper support capabilities. In regards to aircraft, most Chinese fighters are copies of old Russian Migs or similar Chinese designs, and Chinese bombers show the same pattern. Chinese airspace would be dominated by U.S. aircraft almost immediately.
In regards to their armored capabilities, the Chinese are at an even greater disadvantage. A large percentage of the U.S. Army is devoted to armor and anti-armor combat. One of the aspects of war Army brass looks forward to in earnest, has, in fact, since Korea, is the prospect of tank-to-tank combat. In this kind of fight, U.S. armored units would be at a clear technological advantage, since Chinese armored combat units are cheaper copies of U.S. armored systems with a wide range of shortcomings, just as there would be with the direct copies of old Soviet gear, like their aircraft. The only advantage the Chinese have is their ability to mass produce their weapons, but a swift strike to establish air superiority can counter this advantage.
In terms of naval power, the Chinese are probably at their weakest. The Chinese Navy is made up of fewer support attack vessels and submarines then the U.S. Navy, and the models are almost all outdated. Only a few surface attack vessels in the Chinese arsenal exist with advanced design on par with American vessels. Additionally, the Chinese Navy has no aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are the largest reason that the United States can project its military power across the entire globe. First strike capabilities lie in the immediate aircraft deployment as well as missile strikes from surface attack ships with sea-to-ground weapons or nuclear submarines carrying conventional missiles. China has far fewer such missile systems and no naval aviation power beyond their costal airfields. This limits not only their defensive capabilities, but their offensive/retaliation abilities as well. Due to the logistical issues of having the largest ocean in the world between combatants, the Chinese have the drawback of not having a blue-water Navy. In fact, the only country that has a blue-water Navy is the United States. The Chinese, much like Russia, does have a wide sphere of influence with their Navy as compared with other nations, but are unable to support operations for any length of time beyond their own waters.
China has approximately 250-296 launchers with 793-916 missiles of seven different types. Of these ICBMs, approximately 105 are thought to be armed with nuclear warheads. Comparatively, the United States is in possession of approximately 4,000 active nuclear warheads in ICBMs with about 1,500 inactive, and about 450 land based launchers. Both countries are able to strike from their nuclear submarines, of which, China has approximately 58, with less then 10 more slated for construction, and the U.S. has 66 active nuclear submarines, with four under construction and nine more planned. Theoretically, even with a first strike, China would be hard pressed to succeed in a nuclear attack against the U.S., even ignoring the American anti-missile and ‘Star Wars’ defensive systems. The retaliation brought to bear against China would be enormous. In addition to this, China has pledged a no-first-strike plan, promising that in war, China would not fire the first nuclear weaponry, but have also promised a firm retaliatory response. Given, however, that China’s nuclear arsenal is the smallest of the nuclear countries in the world, mutually assured destruction is not even applicable in the instance of a nuclear war with America. China would be unable to effectively incapacitate the United States to the degree that the United States would to China. As such, the threat of nuclear warfare is minimal.
China maintains a distinct advantage in the electronic arenas against the United States. Cyber warfare, which has been tested against Estonia by Russia and the United States by China, has proved to be a form of combat that the United States has, as of yet, found no definite defense against on a civilian level. While most, if not all, military hardware and electronics are shielded effectively from any or all cyber espionage or corruption, millions of commercial and civilian systems are vulnerable to attack. The nature of cyber warfare is such that the infrastructure of every major country in the world could be efficiently targeted and disrupted. Cyber warfare manifests Itself as espionage and information gathering, where the cyber warrior uses poorly protected systems to read communication or information flowing between two or more sources, equipment disruption, where programs either already maliciously hidden in equipment or programs or hacked into are corrupted or shut down to sabotage the equipment, and denial of service attacks, which can shut down electronic systems such as banking and billing, shipping, or any business or commodity that relies on electronic services. Denial of service attacks also can be used against the infrastructure of a community or country, such as attacking the water, food, fuel, communications, transport, and other systems with a cyber attack. China, due to the large number of people and heavy emphasis on nonmilitary confrontation, has excelled at this style of warfare, especially since it has been used against its own people to restrict what could be accessed. Many of the viruses from recent infections, Chinese or otherwise, have been based from ‘zombie’ computers, or computers that were infected and not attacked so that that computer could serve as a base for the spread of the virus. The use of these ‘zombie’ computers maximize the area targeted in the attack and reduce the ability to trace the source.. A large number of these zombie computers are in China. This gives the Chinese solid ground to base the attack out of. The Chinese advances in telecommunications and cyber technology is one of the few areas where China is on par with the United States, which will be taken advantage of in a crisis.
Economically, China serves the greatest threat of all. Chinese based companies compete heavily with other global companies for technology experts and highly skilled workers. The base of the Chinese manufacturing pyramid is made up of peasants who work hard for little pay, and probably make up the cheapest workforce in the world. This also attracts foreign companies to China to build factories. The result is high levels of foreign manufacturing relying heavily on Chinese workers, Chinese developments, and Chinese factories. This massive influx of money to China is greatest from the United States based companies that manufacture cheap goods, such as toys, objects that consumers put money forth for while receiving little actual value in return. As a result, more and more United States currency and debt belongs to the Chinese. Nearly a quarter of U.S. debt is controlled directly by China, and even more by countries dealing with China as a business partner. As a result, China could easily devalue American currency and immediately halt commerce, crippling the country’s infrastructure and alliances.
China also maintains a large strength in its defensive capability. In the event of a conventional war between China and the United States, the U.S. would necessarily have to engage in a ground war on Chinese soil. The Communist defense, while including a strong conventional defensive effort, would also engage in strong, possibly concerted guerilla retaliation. The large population would lead to an effective background to fade into after an attack. Communist doctrines have historically stressed the importance of the People’s Army and fighting the People’s War. While the liberation of the Chinese people by the United States could possibly garner support, it would, in all probability, be restricted to the countryside, where the Communist party has lost much of its grip. Urban centers would be a hotbed for attacks, and even in the countryside guerrilla combat would be a severe problem. American military technology, however, maintains a constant advantage against the guerrilla soldier, and it is multiplied in the open. Open countryside, even among villages and towns, can be closely monitored by UAV and satellite surveillance and kept under control by air and ground based combat systems while keeping the civilian casualties limited. In the Southern and Eastern portions of China, where the land is generally low and flat countryside, guerrilla resistance will be difficult to maintain against a technologically superior proven anti-guerrilla opponent such as the U.S. In the Northwestern part of China, which is mountainous, guerrillas will find the same advantages that the Taliban in Afghanistan find against the U.S. Rough terrain and difficult footing limit areas where American vehicles can patrol. Movement through the terrain is safer on foot, but more vulnerable to attack. Also, the rough terrain gives many opportunities for concealment of anti-aircraft weapons, which would be necessary to combat the aerial forces fielded by the U.S. military.
Thank you, Paul, or maybe i feel helpless against such power-mouth by US, I am a Chinese, i like my country, i dont want anyone in the world put something harsh upon my motherland.
@Tiffany
If the previous century was for US supremacy, I believe that this century was made for China, India etc. to rise (if not for all the politics thinggy). 
Although I’m Thai but my dad’s ancestor came from China as well. And most of my friends are of Chinese descendants as well.
@Tom …too right mate” NATO cant be trusted”.If you think Europeans would join America in a war on China,then you are out of your tree.If any European goverment even suggested such a scenario they would not be in power for long.As for the average european citizen,many would like nothing better than to see the Chinese teach you manners.
Tom, so many people from different part of the world stand on my side,(China), you, i do not mean of all americans,(some of them are at least gracious in word and the basic manners treating others still being there) yes, ONLY you too offensive to be trusted, you act as if you are the centure of the universe, you are the supremacy, you overconfidently are sure that the Europe and Japan would be the backup and assistance to your america when comes a war that against China. what the convincing evidence proving your statements? China is a time-honored with the 5000+ culture country, China wants nothins but only for that peace and reunion. for that better life to the people. chinese do not want to switch war against any country, US, Why should you be a intervenor in China Taiwan issue? why should you always want that Taiwan would never come to the embrace of her motherland? suppose that you are the lost little guy, you really want to your family, and someone impede you from going home, what should you do? if i were you, i would fight back to the loathesome figure. For china, do not want to resume Taiwan by Warfare, just of that peace settlement since the retrieval through war for Taiwan would be just a blooding battle which chinese do not want for that Taiwanee are also chinese. without America’s interference upon the Taiwan issue, i suppose that Taiwan would come back to China more quickly and smoothly.
Paul, here, i am also your chinese friend, eh?
Tom, be polite when talking with others through web, stop repeating that something like rape or massacre to Chinese, i really really do not want to hear such disgusting things anymore. not only for China, it is for any country.
lets just try to get this straight okay? a war between the US and China would never happen.why?Simple, it would just mean a hell lot of cleaning up to do later and both their economies would be screwed. Both sides know this and they none of them want this. Sure China has a chance of surviving but they are not dumb enough to try it. Its the US im worried about. They have a reputation of acting before they think. But my opinion is that there would not be a war between China and US. However, i do think there might be a war between India and China and as for that war i dont know who would win
I also give my appreciation to Henry, you are always on line with China, with justice.
War is not a pleasant thing, the world needs for peace, the co-existence should be among countries. a war between China and India? yes, probably the economic war i suppose. the chance for others kinds of war would be rare. that’s needless.
To win this horrible war , US must;
1. Choke their resources in Asia Pacific .
2. Lure and make their military stretch to Middle-East even further more, Europe.
3. Arrange new conflict zone at border between PLA with Vietnam & India & Russia.
4. Constant covert ops inside mainland like sabotage with Allied Forces ( NATO ).
5. Humanitarian effort on Northern China ( Mongolia ).
6. Strong propaganda for 100 years War to weaken their financial and motivation.
7. Divide and conquer only use foreign force ; Japan & Taiwan.
8. Ignore South and North Korea conflict at that time.
9. Set up Revolution for new Government.
10. Do not occupied any cities inside mainland, just islands ( Hongkong, Spartly , etc )
I vote for China.
Teach those damn Americans a lesson!!!!!
for the people who say nukes will win the war for usa
4 50megaton nukes would send the earth back to the ice age with radioactive rabbits the size of a cow. radioactive dust will destroy earth as we know it
In a war Americans would certainly achieve early successes but a prolonged war would bring more victories to the Chinese.
Remember Chinese people are of great patience and the stamina that can endure extreme hardship and survive.
For a prime example go back to Vietnam………
I find it odd that many people here envision a scenario where any conventional weapons are used at all.
1. War would mean nuclear war.
2. Nations go all out to win an all out war.
3. It wouldn’t be a war at all. We would never fire a bullet or ever see our enemies. All we’ll see is the nuclear holocaust that might as well have been caused by our own bombs.
China is famed for its cheap production of goods and practically unlimited number of labourers in the factories; thus, investing in China would be cheap and it is a great opportunity for the US. Within a few years, or maybe a little further down the road, Chinese labourers will begin demanding larger salaries and the Communist government will be forced to raise them under pressure from possible strikes, rebellions, and maybe even civil war! The fact is, a Communist government cannot function for too long under a capitalist economy. With that said, the value of stocks would rise dramatically and the US, with billions of dollars committed to investments in China, would gain, on an optimal note, close to $1 trillion and our debt would probably just disappear (perhaps a little unlikely, but nevertheless, the US would make dramatic financial gains). In the long run, the US would win an economic war, as a mix of Communism and capitalism in China is a short route to chaos. As for a military war: it is true that the US does have a huge advantage over the Chinese in terms of technology, but China does hold the title for the largest military, if not one of the largest, in the world, so any invasion by the US alone would be extremely difficult. However, this scenario applies to a one-on-one war between China and the US. If such a war were to occur, military powers such as Britain, France, Germany, the majortiy of European states, Turkey, India, Israel, Australia, Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea, the Phillipines and maybe even Russia, depending on their mood, would side with the US, while countries such as Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela would side with China; thus, a third world war remains a strong possibility. Even so, such a war would ultimately result in US (and her allies) victory. All in all, I believe the US is in a better position for both the short term and the long term.
I think we have a little misconception here. China is an communist government and the Chinese people have been under authoritarian rule for several thousand years, the Cinese Emperor and all :), and go ask the Chinese whether they are happy with their communist government. Most of them will tell you that they have no problem with their government or their policies, people will ONLY rise up IF they are unhappy about various aspects of their life and since the Chinese are happy, why revolt? Capitalism WILL be accepted by the Chinese government but capitalism will not change the chinese government.
Think about it, US is pressuring Burma, North Korea, Cuba, etc. to be a democratic nation with free and fair elections, but why did not US mess with Chinese policies nor economicly sanctioned them? Burmese economy was devastated by the US sanctions, why won’t you try it to the Chinese?
In an economic war, China has over 1 BILLION people, even with heavy sanctions, the Chinese economy can propel itself further since they can just consume what they produce. But the Chinese could sell all their US government bonds and reduce the value of the dollar to nothing. And most of the US company factories are in China, how could you even suggest the US economy will gain from an economic war with the private companies losing most of their production bases?
I think you still lack some knowledge on world’s politic, Vietnam is a Chinese ally, Vietnam is also a communist nation. And don’t think that other countries beside US, India, Russia or the EU will be a worthy opponent to the Chinese, they would conquer Taiwan within the matter of days. And I do not think that Russia will join with US since they are still fighting over the US missiles bases in Eastern Europe. Why do you think they have China and Russia as the pernament member in UN security council for?
US lost both the Korean and the Vietnam war because China intervened, do you even think that anyone stupid enough to mess with China would survive the war?
Juan A thinks the world loves America and would commit suicide to save it.Hmmm methinks probably not.And Paul is correct US lost both Korean and Vietnam war because of China.The reason there was no invasion of North Vietnam is because of fear that it would have provoked Chinese intervention.And as for Americas “allies” in the region well only this week the Philippine goverment told the US to keep its nose out of the dispute over islands in the south China sea saying it was a matter for ASEAN and China to resolve.
the mother planet is dying we should not think about war ,because every single war is taking mankind to its doom, the time has come for all nations need to untie so mankind can save his future other wise if things go this way then end is near for us
Americans don’t be silly, if every chinese killed a foreigner, the people on earth has evaporated to half the battle against. for both sides. the united states is so stubborn?
The U.S. Would lose catastrophically because there would be no hope for defeating them in ground combat, air power cannot be achieved due to sams and other air defense systems and our navies couldnt go anywhere near the chinese mainland due to their new carrier killing missles.
US even could NOT win a war with thumbnail country, how can it win a war against China? how naive you are! see that ridiculous and unstable comments made by Dezzoram. it seems as if that he and US were the Center of the universe which proved be invincible to the world, always looking down to any country overconfidently in the world.
see his ridiculous and nonsensical comments below:
“Chinese have the drawback of not having a blue-water Navy. In fact, the only country that has a blue-water Navy is the United States. The Chinese, much like Russia, does have a wide sphere of influence with their Navy as compared with other nations, but are unable to support operations for any length of time beyond their own waters.”
to be noted that he remark heavily, ‘In fact, the only country that has a blue-water Navy is the United States. ‘
add more from that self-righteous guy, ‘the Chinese Navy has no aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are the largest reason that the United States can project its military power across the entire globe. ‘
probably made such a comment in which could be able to pacify his irritation and indignation in a non-Win war against China. China has no advanced technology in military, in war weapon and equipment per your “justifiable” statement, then China should be the weakest in your eyes, then why shouldn’t you initiate a war against China? conquering the whole world seems a easy thing according to your connotation remark, then win China should be as easy as winking. then why shouldn’t you? the fact is, US can neither conquer the world, nor China.
The war is theoretically possible Only! If the war conflict happens between China and USA, it will be regional and small scale war!
Then what’s the regional and small scale war?
Oh and by the way, we’re not fighting a ‘thumbnail country,” but we’re fighting the Taliban, terrorist group that uses guerilla tactics world-wide. Ever heard of them? But if you want proof of how well the US does against a “thumbnail country,” go to google (if you still have it) and look up desert storm and look at battle statistics and when you do, I challenge you to tell me that the US has no military capability against a “thumbnail country.”
It should be a difficult time during the war. conquering a country, the first thing which needs to do is that conquering the mentality of its people. for China, no one would be able to conquer chinese people’s mentality. no one. they think bigger, move faster, execute better! i am proud of being a chinese.
@Juan A
You think that the world loves America and would commit suicide to save it.
I find that hard to believe and the truth is most of the world can’t stand America.
I wonder whether Central or South American or African or Middle Eastern or Indian sub-content countries or Turkey or Greece or France will commit suicide to save America.
I don’t think so……..
first of all, I don’t think anyone would win. China do have the advantage if USA tries to invade China. Recently, China just developed what’s called a D-21 missile or something like that, which is a missile that can splits into several other war heads when it comes close to the USA aircraft carriers. It can penetrates into carrier’s armor and explode a second time. USA wouldn’t last long before they call a retreat. I don’t think anyone wants to fight a war. Its all the USA politics trying to interfere and be the boss of the world. China is just trying to develop into a first world country so that they won’t be looked down again. Hopefully peace, if not, USA better pay the consequences because of the conflict USA started.
After reading many of the comments, I would agree with Dezzoran. BTW, Tiffany and Paul, you got your Chinese pride in a wad…so get over! Winning a war against China is easy, but to occupy it is unthinkable. Chinese people are full of pride, as many can see through Tiffany and Paul, so it would be useless to attack China. The best solution is to let China collapse on its own…meaning that if the U.S. was to really mess up China, it needs to pull all its manufactures out of China. Eventually, this will lead to social unrest in China and let its government deals with the headache. As far as the economic challenge that China posses over the U.S. debt…well, that will be a hard issue. First of all, if all the products that are made in China are given rise to the Chinese economic with wealth than those products should also contribute the wealth to the U.S., especially to its rich elites. Lets say 2/10 of profits will go to China pocket, were is the rest of the money? So 8/10 of the profits will go to the U.S. rich elites. I’m pretty sure that those monies haven’t contribute to the national debt as they are hidding somewhere the general public doesn’t have access to it. Those monies can latter contribute to any future conflicts, because those profits are controlled by those elites that control the U.S., as well as the Western bloc. As if any governments in the world would be honest to tell their people where are the savings, especially those that have been holding on to power for the past decades during the post WWII and cold war. What I do believe is that in order for people to sacrifice their life to go to war at the expense of their sovereign policy, the economic must be fragmented and the rise of unemployment would force a portion of people to register in the armed forces. War is fought for an economical reason, so fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are all for a cause, especially for the future safety nest of a sovereign existence. Hence, you see a coalition forces (UK, Italy, Spain, Germany and ect…) collaborating in the current wars. If a war with China is possible, then the U.S. will not be alone in doing the fighting. But the biggest question is what do you profit from having a war with China? If that has been determined as an answer then 10 China won’t hold the candle to light up its day. As a reminder, the Opium wars in China were basically pure economic issue…therefore, eight countries got involved. Allegiances in doing business are very important in today’s world order. And if China pissed off the rich countries, I wouldn’t be suprised another Opium war-like will happen again in China soil.
I am from China. I just wanna Taiwan’s reunification and no territorial disputes with other country.
We fall behind many countries and surely contains USA which is the most developed country in the world. But if any country no matter who she is wanna occupy and govern us, i will be the first to fight against even i will lose my life.
No war no aggression, we just wanna be friends, the whole world like a family and developed together. Let’s hand together fight saucerman.
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