Can the United States Win a War Against China?
Aby July 17th, 2007
A topic of popular discussion is a possible war scenario between United States and China, especially in the light of rapid growth in strengths and capability of the People’s Liberation Army of China. It would be interesting to analyse what the outcomes of such a war could be, considering the overall technological superiority of US military and the strategic superiority of Chinese PLA on their own ground.
Chinese President Hu Jintao (left) and his US counterpart George Bush (right):Let us hope they do not think of coming to military ‘blows’
The most likely reasons for a possible US vs China war could be a US invasion of North Korea or an escalation of the Taiwan dispute. A war of such nature would be fought in the Pacific, which would be of advantage to the better equipped-and-trained US Navy. However, if the US decides to secure its position by invading China, the outcomes would be quite different…and devastating. To understand this in a realistic perspective, what follows is a multi-dimensional analysis of a possible US-China war scenario, encompassing historical trends with the (known) present day military capabilities of both countries.
A look back at history of US conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo and Vietnam shows that the US military, while formidably powerful, is not as invincible as the Anglo-US media wants us to believe. The United States could claim victories in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars based off a strategy of carpet bombing ground locations and a complete lack of opposing air defence to stop the advance of American warplanes. In both these wars, the US forces were aided by local guerilla revolutionaries and a multi-national Coalition Forces.
In contrast to the above semi-victories, an extreme overconfidence by American defence analysts led to the death of 57000+ US forces in the Vietnam War, which was America’s biggest post-World War 2 defeat. In the Kosovo Conflict, the US led NATO forces faced setbacks due to their overconfidence in the US war equipments, particularly the F-117 “Nighthawk” stealth aircraft. The Serbian forces who were undermanned and possessed no credible air defence, managed to shoot down two of these ‘invincible’ Nighthawks, within the first few days of the conflict. They eventually gave up the war, but the conflict brought to light several failures of the US military and also the tendency among the American media to overhype the invincibility of their war machinery.
If the US were to attempt a war with China, it would face a much worse time than it did in Vietnam or Kosovo. A US bombing strike on the Chinese mainland would not only be struck down by the Chinese air defences (SAMs, AAMs, etc.) but also face a full fledged counter attack from China’s PLAAF. The small size of Taiwan would make the US bases there a vulnerable target for Chinese missile attacks, while the huge territorial depth of China would secure itself from an overwhelming counterattack. The PLA and the Chinese people would be unlike any adversary the US faced in the past. Like Kosovo, there would be a lot of surprises in store for US forces but unlike Kosovo they wouldn’t be facing 10,000 disorganised troops. Instead it would be a 2.5 million strong army with full fledged air, ground, sea and missile forces; all backed by a relatively stable economy and effectively dispersed human intelligence (HUMINT).
A war with China would also result in severe economic repercussions for the US due to a major chunk of its economic activities on China and if such a war prolonged, it would throw the American economy into chaos. China’s economy would also be hurt, but the Chinese will be able to carry on much better than Americans, owing to their history of surviving through severly devastating wars in the near past.
A nuclear option would carry an even more severe repurcussion for both sides. In the case of a nuclear first strike by the US, China’s retaliation would obliterate 20-40 of the largest US cities, effectively wiping off 40-100 million people in the American mainland. Even if the US uses its large arsenal to secure a victory, the after-effects of a nuclear exchange will render the American mainland into massive wasteland. There will be no actual victors, only a massive loss of human lives and property.
Further Information and Resources -
- China’s Military Capabilities - Commonwealth Institute
- Sino Defence - Leading Online Source of Information on China’s Military Power
- Air and Missile Campaign in Kosovo
- Military analysis (Book) on Kosovo conflict by Anthony H. Cordesman
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I agree with the author the US military superity is only a hype to scare off weak countries. Just look at all those thousands of technologically superior force to fight against a few hundred ground forces in Kosovo and you get the picture.
Iraq is already sapping off US strength, a war with China is a nightmare come true. Wish such a thing never comes across a future president.
No country in the world can invade china. U.S won the war in Afghanistan because of help and support from its allies, otherwise it would have faced the same fate as the former Soviet Union. U.S is superpower because of its global alliance not military might.
US would win war against any country including China. Here is why -
1) The United States is the only super power
2) We spend more money in defense than total GDP of most countries
3) We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them
Chinese have large numbers of people which mean nothing, it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army. We also have stealth, their army will be screwed. We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.
@ Speaker Known -
“The United States is the only super power”
I don’t see how being a super power have a military advantage for USA against China.
“We spend more money in defence than total GDP of most countries”
Does spending more money means superior force? If that be so, India would have been the fourth most powerful military force in the world, surpassing UK and France.
“We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them.”
Wrong on both counts. Russia posesses the maximum number of nuclear warheads and it also has the most powerful nuclear bomb, the Tsar Bomba
“..it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army.”
Can you expect us to give you any credit after this?
“We also have stealth, their army will be screwed”
Conventional stealth is old technology, easy to detect by themal detectors, satellite sensing of turbulence or multiple radars. It would be a suicide to bank on stealth while invading China.
“We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.”
You didn’t have Vietnamese, Iraqi, the North Koreans os the Serbs on your side. What makes you think China will be any different?
We don’t need to invade China to win a war against them; just stop having all American goods made in China; close Wal-Mart factories there and return them to America and put the low-income Americans in need of jobs to work in factories the Chinese are getting the money for. The best revenge on a country which is threatening the U.S. like China is, is to stop manufacturing our goods there–completely.
If we closed all U.S. factories and brought them home to America where they belong, China would kiss our ass. It would alos solve the illegal immigration problem, because if we need more room for car factories, build them in Mexico over the border and put the Mexicans to work so they will stop invading us. But more important, the best weapon against China is stopping U.S. industry there and returning our products to the U.S. Let’s see how long they last without America buying from them. They’ll be back to post WWII within months and begging to apologize for their leader’s threats.
@ Lisa Richards - “…The best revenge on a country which is threatening the U.S. like China is, is to stop manufacturing our goods there–completely.”
China is nowhere close to threatening US, a lot of the anti-China hype created in the Anglo-Saxon US is based on the perceived threat that China is getting militarily powerful to counter US influence in East Asia. If we take any official or unofficial statements made by the Chinese government, there are no such threats made by China against US which are offensive in nature. Perhaps a little reading of news and references would be helpful.
@ Lisa Richards - “If we closed all U.S. factories and brought them home to America where they belong, China would kiss our ass.”
Factories are not fluid assets, you cannot simply close them and bring them to America. US companies would end up running losses if they decided to relocate to Mexico. Mexico does not have the economy and skilled cost-effective personell to support American industries. They are best as domestic help and industrial labourers in contrast to China where most of the industrial workers are qualified engineers.
@ Lisa Richards - “Let’s see how long they last without America buying from them. They’ll be back to post WWII within months and begging to apologize for their leader’s threats.”
You seem to be dimly aware of history. Post world war was one of the few times in history China was actually threatening US, mainly over Taiwan and North Korean issue. To give stronger credibility to their threat and to overcome US nuclear blackmail China went to to develop nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them in US targets. If there is any good Sino-US relations, it is at the present age which started off after US tried to improve relations with China in the 1980s to counterbalance Soviet threats in the lines of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
One has to be realistic, as far as wars go it is not a fight between machines but men. United States has one of the best air forces but it is ground combat which determine the victory. Air power only goes as much since it is not bombings or air power that take a country and to take China they’ll have to take it with ground combat. I thought there were lessons to learn from Iraq, Vietnam and Hitler’s battle of Stalingrad.
The American economy would be nowhere near collapse if it wars with China, but the Chinese economy would most certainly collapse. China has a large trade surplus with the US and that surplus accounts for a very large portion of it’s total GDP. American exports to China amounts to a very small fraction of it’s GDP. You have your facts all wrong. Additionally, the Chinese would lose their investments in U.S. government bonds if a war started, which would completely cripple that country. In terms of actual warfare, the U.S. has shown it’s strength against organized armies. Guerilla warfare is unwinnable by any country in the world, this is obvious throughout history. But barring an occupation of China, straight military to miltary conflict this is a no brainer and extremely obvious. The bulk of Chinese forces are composed of WWII and Vietnam Era hardward with only a small fraction of those forces composed of more contemporary hardware. The U.S. military on the other hand is the most advanced in the world. Additionally, the American military has a backup inventory of older jets it could easily bring back into service for such large scale conflicts. The recently decommission F-14 tomcats for example could easily take down everything but the absolute latest in Chinese airpower. Again, bulk of the Chinese airforce is composed of old Mig-19’s, Mig-21’s, and Mig 23’s, all of which are no match for even an F-14, much less F-15 or F-22. And in such a war, I doubt the U.S. would be crazy enough to try to occupy a country as big as China, it would probably just destroy it’s ability to make war, similar to the first gulf war, albeit it would take longer than 4 days, but it would not take more than a couple weeks to render China unable to wage conventional war. And believe me, without an Airforce or Navy, the Chinese will not be able to war conventional war.
@ Only The Facts - “The American economy would be nowhere near collapse if trade stops with China, but the Chinese economy would most certainly collapse……You have your facts all wrong.”
Sino-US economic import-export relations and investments government bonds represent a small part of the larger economic interdependence between these two countries. China is the last link in a long chain of value added production for the US goods and services industries due to its low cost and easy availability of skilled labour. US is able to compete and have a slight edge over EU economy at present mainly because of its cost minimisation by investments in India and China, once this disappears, EU companies will take over. Most of the US corporates invested heavily in China with at least 37% of their investments in solid fixed assets (buildings, factories,etc.), if a US-China war is to occur these companies would face the first crunch in the form of huge losses of their backbone infrastructure and cost advantage. After the war and losses, the companies would need another source of cheap labour to recoup. European Union will gain an advantage over US in such a situation as EU has East European countries with cheap labour but a bit more expensive than China due to higher exchange rates and per capita GDP (PPP). US economic analysts are aware of these facts as subsequent annual economic reports to the Congress would show. It is for these reasons that US companies keep a love-hate relationship with China’s CPC government, they do not want to risk a conflict on the issues which are not directly in consequence to their corporate interests.
A few official resources which would help you understand Sino-US economic relations -
U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission: 2006 Report to Congress
Foreign Investment In China - 2006
The US China Business Council
Concerning a military conflict on the scale of a war, the US Department of Defence is well aware of China’s strategic nuclear deterrance and the stand of PLA against US forces in a communist military model. Needless to say, US would suffer huge losses and possible defeat if they were to try an invasion of China. Wars are fought not on hardware alone but on several other important factors mainly command, control, military intelligence, surveillance, tactics, target acquisition and information. If hardware superiority were all that is required to win wars, USSR could have taken over the whole of Asia and Europe owing to its overpowering nuclear offence and defence superiority over US. A US vs China war would not be a contests between fighters like F-22s and Su-30s but a multi-dimensional US vs China conflict involving military (air force, navy, ground force, etc.), espionage, nuclear forces, infrastructure, human population and economy besides several other variables. It is very fortunate that governments and military strategists are not as short-sighted and fantasy reliant as nationalists in both these countries who would desire a war to happen.
“US vs China war would not be a contests between fighters like F-22s and Su-30s but a multi-dimensional US vs China conflict involving military (air force, navy, ground force, etc.)”
No other country on earth has shown as much success as the U.S. in terms of integrating it’s armed services into a logistical masterpiece, especially not China, which hasn’t even tested it’s armed forces in large scale conflict since the Vietnam War. Conventional war, the odds are overwhelmingly on the side of the U.S., absolutely overwhelmingly. The capacity of the current American military far surpasses that of China and American industrial might is far more powerful than that of China. Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry. Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.
I won’t want to invade China taking into account their rapidly improving military and their nuclear forces capable of striking the States. The Chinese PLAAF has numbers (largest fleet of Su 27 fighters) is rapidly trying to improve the quality of both its Air Force and Navy. With a conventional force close to US and Japan in quality and a strategic advantage in its own mainland, PLA would be a difficult force to reckon with. We may have the best force in the world but we are also known for winning a war even before it started. The mistakes in Vietnam and Korea taught is the hard way not to spit in a hornet’s nest without taking care of the potential consequences.
@only the facts
the U.S industrial machine you speak of was the strongest in the world—during WWII days. The U.S now has a $250 billion trade deficit with China, sure China needs the income from the U.S too…but in a war…China is more self reliant for its day to day operations and is likely to come out ahead in a scenario of elongated conflict.
It is also important to remember history, the Japanese in Iwo Jima lost the island to the US forces, but the victory was a very costly one. The US marines faced such a death toll that they had to use a nuclear weapon to force Japan to surrender. Never underestimate the will of a determined enemy. I believe that the morale and code with which a military fights is equally if not more important than the hardware with which it wages war.
If a war happened between US and China I would pack my bags and take the first plane outta here. I don’t want to die because of the mess created by some stupid politicians. Let those like ‘only the facts’ go fight China with F-22, we can make do with a few idiots less.
Only the facts, you are talking only about fighter war. Real wars are not video game to take a few sorties, shoot down enemies and declare victory. Ignorant right wing jibes cannot change the fact that a REAL war of invasion on China would be a no-win situation for US or any country for that matter. There will be no hope to occupy China or even a tiny portion of it, it is huge and has a population four times that of America. To supply a large enough occupation force to do any type of good so far from homeland would be a logistical nightmare. China cannot be underestimated it can strike back real hard, so hard that it will be the war that saps off US military power and collapse it like Soviet Union. A war with China will only be a fool’s errand.
people like “only the facts” dont have a clue, Chine has over 7 million millitary personal and a paramillitary of more than all of the us army, you’ld think that they might have lear’nt by now from iraq, afghanistan, vietnam an former Yougoslavia.GPD and the wrest of that crap do
not win wars.
The United States has a technologically superior military in some respects but it takes a lot more than that to defeat a country like China. Wars are not video games one cannot win wars with better gadgets. Even the US military is aware of it which is why a large chunk of DoD Budget goes into strategy rather than technology. Why do you think the US tries to find the merest pretext for fighting a war? If the Kosovo war never happened, Americans would still have thought F-117 is invincible. Anyone who saw the hype surrounding the invincible F-117 was in for a shock when Serbs downed two of them using equipments a generation old and barely in battle condition. It is the uber-nationalists among Americans who have one sided view of warfare without understanding wars of reality.
In response to Only_the_facts’ comment
“The bulk of Chinese forces are composed of WWII and Vietnam Era hardward with only a small fraction of those forces composed of more contemporary hardware. The U.S. military on the other hand is the most advanced in the world.”
Are you trying to deliberately sound stupid or what? Nothing could be less factual than this.
“The recently decommission F-14 tomcats for example could easily take down everything but the absolute latest in Chinese airpower. “
You can’t just take out fighters from mothballs and use them in wars silly. It will be a suicide to do it without battle testing and training new pilots. The Flankers in China will end up destroying all F-14 Tomcats that is if they survive a sophisticated SAM defence.
“Again, bulk of the Chinese airforce is composed of old Mig-19’s, Mig-21’s, and Mig 23’s, all of which are no match for even an F-14, much less F-15 or F-22. “
Absolutely false. China has no Migs in its inventory at all, how can it have in bulk something it doesn’t have in the first place? Most of PLA attack force is made up of Su-27 and Su-30 Flankers. Brush up your knowledge of chinese air force instead of making up such rubbish opinions.
“Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry.”
You talk as if Chinese are some primitive beings and American F-22 is something futuristic to destroy these primitive beings. F-22s can be handicapped by electronic jamming devices, passive multistatic radars, older generation long wave radar, turbulence detection, increased RCS detection after dropping weapons, etc. F-22 is just a new generation fighter not some alien predator device, grow up and accept reality.
Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.”
Typical American. With this comment you prove yourself, an antithesis of you screenname. Stop insulting your country with your stupidity.
I’m American and I live next to Edwards Air force base home of the B2 ‘Spirit’ bomber. Let me tell you… the Marines and Air force personnel here think a war with China would be the end of the world. Massive amounts of natural forest protection from an air campaign and the 9 or so delta rivers I’m sure the Navy would love to battle every centimeter through. Maybe a Vietnam vet could relive some nightmares of the Mekong… as it runs through China also. We’re talking about a country with a total population comparable to that of the entire Muslim world. F22 my ass.
Mr.facts keeps surprising me. I really dont know where he gets his “facts”. A war with china would not just mean nightmare, it would mean world war 3!! I am quite sure That if usa attacks china, china will try to regain foothold in taiwan, iliminate pro american south korea and ofcourse north korea will support its ally china, so will vietnamjapan will be dragged in and it will go so on and so forth. America can barely support its forces in iraq! They cant even hit iran now let alone china.
Can the United States Win a War Against China?
ANS: NOBODY will win the war. All they gonna get is huge Kick on their technologically, Qualitatively, Quantitatively Superior Fat ass & will be converted from SUPERPOWER to SUPERPOOR countries.
@All
Can we keep the discussion a bit civil?
Lets take this…we are discussing a hypothetical situation of a Sino US armed conflict, and lets remember this throughout this post, US will never dream or desire to occupy China and would restrict itself to punitive strikes to render the PLA incapable for sometime if not forever, in following a overtly aggressive anti US military stance.Keeping the economic fallouts aside,the military conflict still would be very complex.US no doubt has a huge technological advantage over China, together with a massive blue water naval and air superiority.Add to this their exponential war experiences as compared to China’s relatively no experience in an all out war for quite some years. Let’s dehype the Chinese military strength and consider the fact, that the conflict is bound to escalate in seamless stages.The first will possibly be precission air raids on vital military installations in the Chinese mainland.China will possibly try to strike on US bases in South Korea and the US naval vessels that US would already have deployed in an attempt to enforce a naval blockade similar to the one during the Cuban crisis. The PLAAF has doubtful capabilities of striking into the US mainland and would avoid launching long range missiles at the US mainland thereby causing huge civilian casualties as long as USAF continues carrying surgical strikes on tactical and strategic military installations avoiding Chinese civilian facilities. This will continue for a while because the USAF won’t be able to enforce complete air superiority over the Chinese airspace overnight.Though China has good numbers of 4th Gen fighters together with some well debated 5th Gen crafts, it still has very limited and doubtful credible air defence systems and EJDs. However the war in the sea will be more complex, as the PLAN has a sigeable no. of submarine based assault systems along with missile boats that are quite capable of harrasing the US Fleets and may even pose grave threats to the carriers. Much will depend on the PLAs deternination whether to limit the conflict to the vicinity and wait for international intervention or to escalate the fight by carrying the attacks to the US territorial waters….
As long as the US forces restrict the attacks to the military installations and facilities…its very unlikely that the PLA or US would resort to nuclear brinkmanship.However if the war escalates with US strikes on Chinese civil,financial or business facilities and China feels threatened of complete US dominance…it might try to demonstrate its resolve to defend itself through nuclear might in following theatrical manouevers…
1.By detonating a nuclear devise in its own unmanned terrain.
2.Using a sub kiloton tactical devise on the adversary in its own territory.
3.Firing a warhead, again carrying a sub kiloton devise on one of the enemy ships,in its own territorial waters.
This would definitely result in counter offensive in a similar tone albeit the US strategists would be forced to reconsider on their offensive knowing equally well that if the conflict fails to be contained or limited, it might surely lead to a nuclear first srike by China, irrespective of their so called “No First Use” policy.
The moral of the story is…
1.US can never possibly win a continental war against the PLA involving territorial armies.
2.China can not sustain a prolonged air and naval conflict with the US without resorting to nuclear devices.
3.Air and Naval confrontation between China and the US is more likely to cost more to China than US.
4.The aftermath of the confrontation would cripple the PLA,PLAAF and PLANs capabilities and make them vulnerable to the other regional military powers namely,Russia,India,Japan and Australia.
5.Thus, inspite of Beizing’s gung ho attitude towards Taiwan and other issues…it will desist from a confrontation with the US as long as possible.
ok just recovered from laughing at some of the posts by americans here.God what deluded fantasy world do they live in.Chinese swords hahaha against American super aircraft etc.Cakewalk victory for america again ehh.Forget it buddies you attack China and you will be a smoking wilderness.First the majority of your planes could not penetrate Chinese airspace as stated recently by an American air force general.Second China can hit your satelites as they demonstrated recently by destroying one of their own old ones.Thirdly they have anti ship missiles that cannot be intercepted they bought those from Russia [cant remember the name].fourth they are producing their own excellent fighter and ground attack aircraft the J10.fifth they have nukes and the ability to deliver them by aircraft submarine and missile and last they have a potential army of a least 100 million if put on war footing with conscription.And if you think the Chinese people will welcome you. oh you poor sad creatures.
I pray to god that this war would never happen….
China would not ‘win’, in the traditional sense. They would suffer the worst as far as human losses and economic damage. Furthermore China’s population is heavily concentrated in a small area, so destruction of cites would cause millions of deaths. However, china does infact have a better trained army, which is also far larger then the U.S army.
Personally I think that the U.S could come out on top if things turn their way. The same is true for china. Either way it would be one brutal war.
(Yes I know about the spelling mistakes, and the grammar as well. Don’t insult me about them. They are unimportant and you know it.)
Those among who think US can’t beat China are liberal idiots. The US can defeat China in a war HANDS DOWN! Chinas still a 3rd world country trying to pick up with others and spending billions on military. Lets face it, its still using World War 2 military equips. Americans have advantage in every area in a war with China, it is just a matter of days the Peijing and Shanghai fall down to dust.
US Patriot
henry you do know where allies and hypoteticaly speaking if america lose europe is going down you think china middle east and russia will welcome you existant ofcourse there faking it because they would not whant to figth a 2 front war it will be so much harder thats why germany lose the war they learn from that but if you guys font whant to help the u.s.a ok youll die to so its ok
Kalvin I do not see China as being any threat to the world,it has never been a belligerent imperial nation.America on the other hand is obsessed with world domination and they have no morals or scruples about how they achieve that end.They talk endlessly about freedom but were happy to hand half of Europe to the soviet union at yalta in 1945.While I understand that the Filippinos have a high regard for America which I believe comes from the Americans help in expelling the Japanese from the Philippines in 1944.But dont forget that 40 years earlier they were slaughtering Filippinos when they wanted the islands as an imperial foothold in the orient.Like all imperial powers America is all about self interest.It is not good for the world to have only one superpower it needs another as a counterweight.In my opinion China [while not perfect] is the best candidate for the role as unlike Russia and America it does not have a history of endless aggression.
@ US Patriot
Perhaps reading up on the Kosovo conflict would help clear things—more like, shatter your overconfidence, actually. If the Serbs could do THAT kid of damage, I think it is more than obvious that China could do a whole lot worse.
That was enlightening. Perhaps the United States is fighting the Iraq war using Civil War military equipments, that might explain its apparently failure to tame the situation there. Why bother a war with China anyway, I am sure if we send you with a BB gun and pods, you’d be able to take out the entire China. Oh yes, the sight of an American as you would probably scare them to mass migrate to India or Russia to save themselves.
Hypothesis is an ‘if’ situation and when you look at things that way anything can happen. A better hypothesis can be held credible ONLY if it can be supported with a reasonable argument that something is more likely to happen than not. Neither China nor Russia have had an imperial history as bloodlusty as America did. As if killing 20 million of the natives is not enough, the world had to contend with losing 11-19 million humans to American aggression in the last 50 years. We cannot assume that China would be a tyrant until and unless it has shown a strong tendency to be as hegemonic as US neo-colonialism in Asia and Latin America is. As of now, all China does is trade - like it has been doing for the past 5000 years.
Like all countries that are not the USA, you have a storied history of savagery, cruelty, and injustice. The only country that is worth saving is the United States, and perhaps Britain, Australia, and New Zealand. Our superior karma will be a deciding factor in any conflict.
American you are having a laugh right.No Savagery ,cruelty,or injustice in American history ?!!!.Is there anything other than savagery cruely and injustice in it.Where does one start .Slaughter of millions of native Americans and theft of their Continent,Enslavement of millions of Africans,Slaughter of over a million Filippinos,Slaughter of millions of non combatants in World war 2,Slaughter of millions in Korea,Slaughter of millions of Vietnamese and poisoning of their country with agent orange.Involvement in the slaughter and the injustice perpetrated on the Palestinians.And now unjust attack on Iraq and slaughter there.Not to mention the mayhem you have brought to other nations by helping brutal dictators keep power if they are prepared to kiss your obese butts.You have destroyed the lives of countless millions of innocent people and will not stop until some great nation brings Karma to you.
What “great” nation might that be ? Russia perhaps ? Without the U.S. and her influence the world would be ten times the nightmare it currently is.
hahahahaha…
everybody knows that the true winners of a China US world war would be the Europeans!
we Europeans aren’t dumb enough to help america in that inevitably Chinese controlled war, and certainly are too smart to help the chinese if (IF!) the Yanks win..
but i agree that the yanks are too delusional for their own good.
seriously, talking of the US as if they are really the world’s most powerful country..
the EU has has a total GDP waaay bigger than the US, and the combined industrial, commercial and agricultural might of the EU far outshadows the US.
after the ashes of WW3, the world will be governed by the United States of Europe. then, and only then, will world peace be truly achieved. safe from the threat of dumb texans and christian fundamentalists
Ok, the U.S. would win in a war against China, conventionally, an invasion would be extremely sketchy. China does have some submarines but not to the level of the USSR in the 80s, all China could hope to do nautically would be to deter the U.S. from blockading them. As far as anti ship missiles, The U.S. has quite sophisticated defense systems especially if you consider the combination of a carrier battle group as a whole. In the air the Chinese military would not be able to fly outside of their airspace as the U.S. airfoce is really a generation ahead. The Chinese air-defense would be strong but doubtful if it could cover the whole of the country, in looking at air defense please dont use wild speculation and half minded historical examples. the Yom Kippur war is a good example of a tight integrated air defense, where the Israiles couldn’t strike across the Suez canal, or the air defenses of Hanoi in Vietnam, but even in these extreme cases air power was still able to get trough. as far as the F117, it is a 70s fighter and not very maneuverable/ fitted with capable counter measures so an infrared missile would easily down it. Now for the land battles, if any, the true stenghts of the U.S. integrated amed forces comes to light. look at both gulf wars, in the first the Iraqis vastly outnumbered the allies but the air power of the allies crippled them, not to mention the power of the NATO style tanks as opposed the Warsaw style which shined through. as far as using Vietnam and Iraq as examples of the weaknesses of the U.S., those are not wars but occupations and no army does well when they have to occupy a country against a rebel force. and in Korea the chinese vastly outnumbered the U.S. but were unable to fully beat them even with the help of Russian tech. today the technology is in The U.S.’s favor.
Large conventional wars are about technology not individuals, occupations are about individuals in a conventional war with China the U.S. has a distinct advantage, in an occupation neither side would have a clear victory, though I would assume a puppet regeime would be installed in Beijing from Taiwan and the stable Chinese beauocracy would be transfered and there wouldnt be as many problems as with Iraq or Vietnam, it might be more like Japan or Germany, but I dont know and any real speculation is just speculation.
and as far as the U.S. and freedom, the Russians kinda took control of the eastern countries following WWII and the allies could do little as Stalin was steadfast and any prods to get him to give up say, Poland would lead to another war which is not what was wanted following a world war. as is was part of the U.S.’s reasoning in Nuking Japan was to not allow the Russians to take control of all of Korea and maybe part of Japan. And yes the U.S. was imperialistic in 1900 but, i forget, weren’t all of the western countries quite imperialistic in that period, even Belgium had the Congo, which was probably the worst maintained colony in Africa, almost a genocide. and for going into Korea, it was a U.N. action lead by the U.S. Kosovo was a NATO action and Vietnam was well.. that one was ridiculous and wrong. But if I remember correctly China is occupying Tibet and doesnt allow baisic rights to its citizens, far worse than the U.S.
In all your hate for the U.S. look back at history and you’ll see that in comparison to the other world leaders at thier time and in comparison to China that it is quite benevolent, yes it has its many flaws especially recently but on a whole it is the lesser of two evils.
There is no doubt the US can defeat China repeat no doubt. The question is will the US be willing to pay the price to pulverize China.Assuming the US detonates 1000 nuclear weapons on China.The China won’t take it lying down.
The PLa will probably destroy Chicago,Washington,New York and at least ten other ities. The number of cities to be destroyed will increase as the PLA gets stronger each day.
That is why Bush and his cronies want the missile defence to aim at NK and Iran. If you are in charge of China’s defence and you believe Bush you are in dereliction of your duty and shd be executed.
Bush and the next US president better know the days they can attack China and others and be immune from attack are going to be over soon.
The US says it won’t be subject ot nuclear blackmail.let’s check the facts.The US has over 20000 nuclear warheads. China has only 100.Tell who is stronger. However the will to use the nw is crucial.
Ok the US might have more nuclear weapons, but china has more people.
It’s really 50:50.
Besides, there are no threats against China or US, and they don’t have any reasons to attack each other, so no war warning.
(you should be happy, nobody wants to die!!!)
A war with China would result in what those well-versed in the Cold War era refer to as MAD (mutually assured destruction). We can talk about who has what until the cows come home - bottom line is that both countries would crumble economically given their complete dependence on one another. China cannot match the superiority of the United States Navy or Air Force and won’t be able to do so for decades. What people forget is that China doesn’t need to match American Naval and Aerial Firepower. The only thing they’d need to do if hostilities broke out is conduct a couple of nuclear tests in view of advancing US forces and it would be back to diplomacy. Doubt it’ll happen and pray that it doesn’t.
Why was this topic created in the first place? The chinese army has NO INTENTION of starting a war with ANYBODY! As said by Aby, the Chinese have only been trading internationally and recovering from its centuries of humiliation by the rest of the world and a few stupid leaders like Mao. I truly believe that the Chinese are not an aggressive nation with imperialistic aims.
Americans are known throughout history to undertake DRASTIC measures to get what they want. A nuclear war would be started by the United States. AND the Chinese are more self-dependent than the United States ( as seen by the countless fucking number of things i see made in china). But IF this war had to happen, which might not occur for maybe another 10 years, lets see China’s history in the past decade. It grew from a shittyass 3rd world country to the worlds fastest growing economy in less than 50 years. It put a man into space. It’s also hosting the Olympics in a few days and has gained international credit in the UN Security Council as well as Nato. So, if the Chinese did ALL that shit in 5 decades, what else can they do in 10 or less years? There is no doubt that they can match our military technology within a few more years, not even mentioning its military personnel size. It has the largest fleet of Su-27 and su-30s, an impenetrable SAM defense system, a better trained ground forces, and other superpowers like Russia to back it up. So it is completely absurd that dumbasses like ONly_the_facts would say fighting the war against the Chinese would be easy.
America’s international policies and claiming to be “the world’s policeman” are complete bullshit. We need to stop fucking with other people’s business and allow the rest of the world to have their chance at making their own lives better (not making them worse by fucking attacking everybody, screwing up their lives, and saying we’re making ur lives better. Every person that isn’t american on this topic has seemed to agree that America is doing more harm to the rest of the world than good. It uses its goals of “freedom and peace” to cover up its self-centered belief to maintain its role as the world’s number 1 superpower.
Bottom point: No the United States cannot win a War with China simply because of its worsening international status, failing economy, military rapage in the Middle east, and it’s dependency on China. It will eventually end up in a nuclear war which will cause horrific damage to both sides, but the US will end up more crippled due to its vast dependencies on other nations. And it is highly unlikely that other nations will help the US so fuck dat, best thing to do is back off and let the Chinese be the next superpower.
as an American Military combatant, I fear war with any industrialized nation such as China. Fighting insurgents in Iraw and Afghanistan is like when the Varsity team practices with the Junior Varsity football team to tune up their skills. In war with China, neither side wins. Each country is crippled financially and all this does is open the door for another industrialized nation, such as Russia, India, or perhaps parts of Western Europe to take the reigns as world’s superpower. I see why those living outside the United States carry bitter feelings toward us; I would be bitter if another country was the best country in the world, plain and simply. But we have the best quality of life and even the Chinese are mimmicking us. Socialist governments fail because citizens of those countries wish to live the westerns style of life. Let’s be realistic. Nobody here can undermine the ridiculous superiority the U.S. has in military might over almost any country, including China. But The real test of power is restraining that might and acting diplomatically. That’s what should happen. Anybody wishing for war is some armchair quarterback who has never seen war and has never fought, and is totally ignorant towards the military. I believe that pride comes before the fall, and I’m probably not the only one to notice China established itself far before the U.S. in the world.
I am a Filipino American and I have been traveling to the Philippines the past few years.
I made a few Mainland Chinese friends and they claim that US is going to collapse and China will be the new World Superpower.. They are happy and only 24 years old and can’t wait to see America go under with all their debt. World War 3 they said is already here.. by collapsing the American economy and China with all their money can control the world.
China is like plastic going against metal, of course the U.S would win
The U.S is trying to take over the world!
U.S-COUNTIES FOUGHT : CHINA,RUSSIA,JAPAN,IRAQ Vietnam,North Korea,MEXICO,SPAIN,GERMANY,Uk, afGANisTan ,ETC.
COUNTIES THEY ALMOST FOUGHT: CUBA ,IRAN,ETC.
Now that Obama is the president I don’t think that he is going to try to attack China. He is more peaceful than Bush. Plus, the Europeans don’t hate him like Bush so they don’t want war either.
Let’s not try to have a war between China and the U.S. Both side will have a lot of damage. Then Russians will be the strongest. So let’s not have a war. That what the evil Russians want!
Ok, shure i agree that the U.S. is in better starting point right now, but not for long. They depend on other countries to much. They owe China A TON OF MONEY and also the economy in the U.S. is getting worse by the second.
-Only_The_Facts- what you say is bullshit the U.S. will have a hard time against china, its not a video game so why dont you just go out and play with your matchbox cars or something
i cant believe i read everything here. To keep it simple shall we? With conventional modern warefare (no nukes) -At this current point in time China will struggle more than America if either side tries to invade the other. In fact China has not modernised with the capability of launching such a campaign anyway. Any more? No country can INVADE and i mean totally occupy India not to mention China but cripple both sides at least somewhat to the Americans with China taking more losses. Perhaps a stalemate is my guess treating this topic like a computer game because in RL things, variations and uncertainties of war are just too many! That said there are no facts in such a hypothetical situation but an educated guess. no five pages of reference!
Since China has nukes it wont ever simply be invaded or taken over like Iraq. Invasions will not happen. Skirmishes are more of a possibility but who knows maybe one day both will become shallow or ruthless nuts (nah not gonna happen). The only ‘battles’ i can see are skirmishes which do not extend into ‘Invasions’ possibly off the coast of China for some political issues like Taiwan Independence and USA flexing its muscles.
The Chinese might prepare for a confrontation with the Americans but get real who want to fight the Americans anyway? Nobody!
To China, nothing is more precious than to loose an inch of her territory. Take Taiwan for example. The Chinese Govt. had already declared they will fight at any cost to regain Taiwan. This imply they are prepared to fight US and Japan in both conventional and nuclear if they intervene on Taiwan behalf.
There is no reason for China to confront or invade US. The Chinese Govt. never want to acknowledge they are the future super power. All they want is to be left alone in peace and focuss on improving their economy and provide a better living standard for her people.
However, at the same time they want to ensure China will never be bully or be invaded by any other Forces again. She had gone thru 150 yrs of humililation and that was the worst moment for any Chinese who learnt of the history of unequal Treaties.
The Chinese is smart enough not to match the American in Conventional Weapons.
They have learnt the lesson from former USSR which went bankrupt inorder to compete with America in Defence spending.
Some Americans who made posting here appeard to be too simplistic in painting the
overwhelming superiority of US Military might and come to an early conclusion she can easily defeat China.
The Chinese had fought US in both The Korean War and Vietnam War. Inspite of US overwhelming superiority in both Air & Sea, US had lost in North Korea and Vietnam.
Superior Technology does not gurantee to win a war. Ultimately is still the human being. If there is a war between US & China over Taiwan, the entire Chinese population will definitely be united as one. Any invasion by US forces on Chinese soil will be suicide. Over the last 10 years, the PLA had came out without a strategy & gone into the niche areas where she could defeat or neutralise US potent weapons
such as F22 and Aircraft carrier battle group. There will be many new surprises.
It won’t be a walk in the Park for US military. China is prepared to make the sacrifices. During Mao’s time, they had infact prepared for a Nuclear War with USSR.
Is America Ready to do so ?
No one would win this war. Especially if a nuclear war began. Millions of lives would be lost on both sides and for what? Diplomatic and friendly relations should continue to be the answer. We don’t have to agree on everything, but war is certainly not the solution.
I’m Vietnamese, to me we must start a full media war. Broadcast free over the Air from satellite, radio or TV. Commies Chinazi really afraid their own people know the truth about the devil communist. We must get rid of the mafia Vietcong first. The Vietnamese hate Chinazi because of their invading land and sea by the chinazi. The Vietnamse are better in Guerrilla war Tactics than the chinazi, if the American willing to suppy the power. We Vietnamese know the chinazi very well more anyone else. The Tibetian, The Laotian, India, Japan, Taiwan, plus many more. Together we easily take out the baster Chinazi Commies. Chinazi is big but only talk, it’s very empty air inside. Communist must die…
In total war both sides lose, clear and simple.
US may have nuclear superiority but the uncontested fact remains that 150 Chinese multimegaton devices will wipe out 80% of the US population within the first week and 90% of the remaining population over the next year. 6 million surviving Americans vs maybe 1 million surviving Chinese does not mean the US wins…
In a limited war both would also lose, but who wins the military victory depends on the scenario and chance. Hawaii = guaranteed US win, Taiwan = tossup and depends on extent of escalation.
Lets hope it never happens,the Chinese leadership and people are inteligent enough not to instigate it.But not sure that can be said about the American side given the overconfident and arrogant attitude displayed by many American posters here and the fact that they are capable of electing semi retarded leaders such as the previous US president to office not once but twice!!!.
kalvin, I think China would probably invade Europe if Europeans attack them. In history since when did China ever expanded East and West?
The only people that might attack Europe are probably Russia, and probably some middle eastern.
If the Americans aren’t complaining/threatening about China or Russia taking over half the land of Asia, I doubt China would be involve. Actually I blame the greed that people made in the Cold War (Cold War started all this).
The idea of a war is truely ridiculous… and numbers probably wouldnt matter.. well it would… but not as much as people might think. The idea of an invasion would be suicide by the united states. the war would be most naval, air and missle combat. The united states isnt far superior than the chinese but i think everyone can agree that it is a bit more advanced… and this war is nothing like iraq so comparing the this scenario to iraq is the most retarded thing to say. but in conclusion if this war were to happen the united states would win. But the war would most likely end with both countries destroyed. The war between the 2 is impossible. well almost
I agree on Max comment. Insfied of all the facts we hear and read are merely good information. Well USA must never let our defense down and we just seek better way to strike if we have to.. The best defense is offense…be ready since they seems to be creeping close to our shoreline already. They are doing cyberspies on our system already to cripple us so we can not strike back on them in time of war. We must never trust them and in the meantime try to get along.
the usa would wipe our asses with china. then we would go to europe and smash on the weak french, the suddenly peace loving germans and whoever else wanted a taste of this american might! we are the strongest country the world has ever known. our wemon are sexxxier. our beer is better. our dicks are bigger. who wants some???? not china, not russia, not any tight pants wearing european country, not iran, WHO ? the world is lucky im not president id make war with china just because i heard they got little dicks lolololololololol !!!! BOW DOWN TO THE MIGHTY AMERICANS !!!!!!
the usa would win china just has numbers numbers dont win wars the usa has skill china dosent have that much of a larger military eather and if i was preisdent and we went to war whith china i would bomb there citis till all the cilvilans are died
Looks like stephen and tyler are either the same idiot or have got the same parents.
Stephen -
I hope you are joking??? Your Neanderthal thinking is silly. I’m Asian and your comparison to penis size is insulting and racist at best. Sorry to break the bad news, but Americans are the not the best endowed. There was an actual study done on this topic. Among white males, it was the French and Italians. I saw this on Wikipedia. Maybe white guys are larger but most Asian people have bigger brains. I’ll take a smart man any day of the week. I would never date a dumb guy like you.
Look, I am American and I know how the world perceives us because of bullshit in the media.
We are not as blood thirsty and dumb as you think, if that were true then the United States could not exist as it does today.
Anyways, I am not of the opinion that my country is the greatest, I think it is one of the best, among many.
War with China would be stupid, not only for the parties involved, but for the world as a whole.
China, or any country for that matter, has the human right to improve their way of life.
War is not going to improve anything.
America and China will simply have to co-exist, and who knows, maybe other countries will rise to power too.
There is no reason to be afraid of another power in the world, America cannot be the only superpower forever.
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that the communist party still has influence in China.
But people cannot fight with eachother over ideas or differences, we need to work together.
I think China has come a long way, and the United States should become allies, not enemies with them.
War will solve nothing, especially nuclear war.
If the human race is going to make through the centuries to come, then all this petty crap needs to stop.
I believe we will make the right choices, and all this talk of war is derived from paranoid fears.
America can, and will, learn to share power, simple as that.
If not, then the we can go back to living in caves like stupid apes.
I feel sometimes that there is so much hate in the world, and its for no good reason.
It’s like the hippies used to say, “Make love and not war!”
cmon guys lets be realistic why would the US and china enage in a war with each other sure there will be some fat words said but all in all its just a media beat up.the body count would be in the millions the cost would be in the trillions and for no real gain.A war with these two countries would certainly escolate into a global conflict it would be the begining of world war 3 and the end of the world as we know it the political parties would do everything to stop a conflict such as this and thank god for that…
American you are having a laugh right.No Savagery ,cruelty,or injustice in American history ?!!!.Is there anything other than savagery cruely and injustice in it.Where does one start .Slaughter of millions of native Americans and theft of their Continent,Enslavement of millions of Africans,Slaughter of over a million Filippinos,Slaughter of millions of non combatants in World war 2,Slaughter of millions in Korea,Slaughter of millions of Vietnamese and poisoning of their country with agent orange.Involvement in the slaughter and the injustice perpetrated on the Palestinians.And now unjust attack on Iraq and slaughter there.Not to mention the mayhem you have brought to other nations by helping brutal dictators keep power if they are prepared to kiss your obese butts.You have destroyed the lives of countless millions of innocent people and will not stop until some great nation brings Karma to you.
You can thank American companies for bringing your lame ass country to the upper echelon of the rich list. Without the yanks, youd still be planting potato and raising sheep.
Fuku, what the hell? Anyone from Canada can’t take part in these matters. I mean really…………….what the hell has Canada ever done but sit back a watch the world tare itself apart. Canada is about as useful as an eyeball located beneath ones foot.
You Americans are so ignorant, you perceive China as if it were in the stone age with arrows and swords.. Face the facts.. You would not win in a war against China.
I can’t stand anyone of you ignorant and barbaric fools. Every one of you has not only said offensive remarks, but remarks that show your bias. The last remark made by the Australian was so damn stupid. He or she forgets that Australia ( along with other former British colonies) are close allies with America and like I said before, if a war between America and China broke out, there would be coalitions formed. Though China is becoming increasingly modern, they still haven’t been modern for along as the United States. America has f-22 fighter jets. These are called 5th generations fighters. No other country in the world has anything remotely as sophisticated as that. America also spends about 75 trillion (yes I have done research for all you stupid complainers) over the next big spender which is China. America conquered the 4th most powerful nation in a week (Iraq under Hussein) and is still fighting multiple wars over seas. America is a force to be reckoned with, and for all of you reading this and getting pissed off………you’re truly just expressing emotions of jealousy that your country didn’t become so awesome.
I was actually taking you serious until you said America conquered the fourth most powerful nation in a week…Irak under Hussein.It was at that point that I realised you were just another American idiot.And as for your idiotic remarks about american fighter jets being best in the world blah blah blah….the Eurofighter and the latest russian Migs can match any other aircraft in the world.
The US certainly has a large technological advantage over China in its army, navy and air force. However, there are numerous other aspects to a war than just technology.
If US invades China’s home soil, its most likely that US will be overwelmed by China’s land force. I mean China does have a huge army reserve. On top of that, most of China is well connected by good roads and railway. This means that China can concentrate an army of 10 million+ well trained/equipped soldiers in a small area within one or two weeks.
If China invades US. No its not gonna happen. China simply doesn’t have that projection capability to invade US.
If the battlefield is a third country, then US will have a large advantage and most likely to win. Except for battles fought in China’s immediate neighbours, such as NK, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.
If its a nuclear war, then the world is coming to an end. Not even here in Aus will we be able to escape the wrath of a nuclear winter.
to MuseforHire:
During WWII, Canada had about 1 million people in the armed forces (not all fought but were still a member of the armed forces) … our population was about 10 million at the time.
10% of our population contributed to WWII. No other country in history has ever come close to that proportion. At least the US was provoked and attacked at Pearl Harbour which ultimately brought them officially into the war. Canadians just chose to fight evil halfway around the world.
Within a few years from 1939 till the end of the war we started with a few ships to having the 4th largest navy in the world (3rd largest Allied navy).
So don’t talk shit about us Canadians. If anything the ignorant and arrogant Americans who have posted so far are “about as useful as an eyeball located beneath ones foot.” .
I’m Chinese too… damn proud to be Canadian Chinese / Chinese Canadian.
Funny that you say that, seeing you can stand yourself without problems.
No other country wants to waste so much of its military budget on something that is like an anti-ageing cream - lots of show, but not so much on the go. Face it, F-22 is nothing more than another UFO for new generation SAMs to shoot down. It is something as invincible today as the F-117 was in 1996. For half a decade, the American ignoramuses like yourself boasted of the invincibility to the F-117 stealth fighter, only to have their baloons punchered by Serbians weilding 1960s SAMs and radars.
75 trillions! My goodness! You are more entertaining than the “Americans are stupid” videos. Next time, make up something more believable than making a claim that the US military budget is 530% of its GDP.
What research? The one about what the US military budget will look like, if all Americans started a fundraising project by selling your mothers’, sisters’ and daughters’ bodies at $100 an hour? Well you’d have to keep them getting porked 8 hours a day* for the whole year (including public holidays). That is if American men can keep paying the $100 an hour to keep the program running.
What was America’s position then? Second place after Angola?
…like Tom and Jerry, ay?
Yeah, we are so jealous that we didn’t have your brains like this when we were 2 years and 35 days old. How tragic!
hahaha, enough said. Oh, and I didnt mean 75million, its about 75 billion.
You still seem to be confused,maths like reality do not seem to be your strong points LOL.
Oh, ur not Italian, Im sorry, your country’s flag is just so damn original………………….
The green and orange are the colours of the republicans and the loyalists,the white symbolises peace between them.
This is indeed a very hypothetical scenario, since both sides know very well the consequences of this war.
However if we are to analyze a war between these two countries, we would rather look at a the best possible scenarios. The US would never attack mainland China declaring a full war. It would be somewhever in a third place under some pretext - Taiwan or maybe North Korea. In such a case US would win hands down considering that China does not have the ability to fight remote battles and more importantly would not like to risk unnecessarily. Although some Chinese interests would be hurt it would not be enough provocation for a war with US. Ofcourse US would have gathered allies in UN for the fact that China has nothing to do since US hasnt attacked China.
The remote possibility of full scale attack on mainland China would be a very co-ordinated one. It simply wouldnt be a US vs China war. US would certainly get NATO, Japan and India in. Japan and India would be key - cause they stand to lose the most if they give even logistic support or allow use of their territory. China can bank of North Korea and may be Pakistan. Russia would be a surprise, may just choose not to join. In that case US wins hands down again.
However if Russia chooses to join or even shows an inclination to join on Chinese side, US would back off.
Infact, in the very very rare possibility where tensions escalate and US China war seems to be imminent, the Russians will have the power to stop it. If they chose to remain nuetral or side US, China will back off. If they clearly show inclination of joining Chinese side, US just wont attack. Imagine having to take on both together.
P.S. all this is very very hypothetical WW 3. Lot of people would have to do a lot of stupid things to make it happen. Indians, Japanese, EU, Russians etc.
Upendra…I could not imagine NATO ever getting involved in an attack on China.In Europe the only ones who might join the Americans would be Britain and thats even extremly unlikely.As for France, Germany, Italy not in a million years.The people of Europe are already sick and tired of American militarism and do not view China as being any threat and very difficult to view ever changing.Also if America fought a war with China and was succesful it would be a very battered America that would emerge from it.I doubt that Russia would be able to resist the opportunity this offered.America would be in the position of the wounded alpha animal in the herd and would soon be attacked and finished off.
I agree with what Henry said. There’s simply no incentive for Europe to aid the Attack. Getting NATO to join would be even more of a challenge, since the main reason for it’s existence is for a united defence against foreign aggressor attacking any of it’s member (and Taiwan is not a member :)), which I really doubt China will do.
@Upendra, with regards to your two scenarios, I see two very different approach and outcome, rather than just a simple matter of US winning hands down. I wouldn’t say a war in North Korea would present a lot of logistical problem for the PLA. For a start there’s no demanding amphibious requirement. The PLA should have little trouble shifting most of its forces to the peninsula. It would end up being a very land centralised war, playing to China’s strength. Actually just look at the Korean war and you see what I mean. The US forces got pushed all the way back to the 38th parallel when China entered the war, at one point all the way to Seoul, let alone win outright.
As for Taiwan, if the US wish to achieve the objective of disrupting an invasion of Taiwan, then they may well succeed. Although this possibility would be more credible during the 90s. If anything the third Taiwan strait crisis showed military leaders in China of a need for better defence against CVBG and since then the PLAN has acquired and built weapon platforms specifically designed to counter/destroy a CVBG, including the purchase of sovremenny and kilo from Russia, accelerated construction of song and Yuan submarine, and the development of anti-satellite weapons/anti-ship ballistic missile. If these can effectively threaten the US navy, then it won’t be a simple matter of the US winning hands down.
Oh and didn’t a Song class sub snuck up on a US carrier some time ago without them noticing? If that was war, the carrier’s not going to have a great day!
Henry is just mad cuz he’s irish and has a small dick. Stupid americans? I didn’t even know there was a fucking ireland anymore? Your gdp is 50 million potatoes. Cockboy! Btw if it wasn’t for America you’d be screaming “ha hitler!” So got fuck your fat irish mother and her slobby red-headed cunt!!!!!!!!!!!
You see the one fact that your all missing is the US has either lost or narrowly won the last several conflicts because we have not been fully committed. A war with China which threatens the existance of the United States would have complete and total support of the government. We would have free reign to unleash the true potential of the military. Vietnam was like sending a pitbull into a dogfight with a muzzle on. Congress didnt give full authority to do whatever was needed to win. You cant win a war with your hands tied behind your back. A US v China war head to head (not on chinese soil) would be won by the US.
Now that being said, in the real world, the Soviet Union, I mean Russia is drooling at the idea of joining forces with the Chinese in a war against the US and that my friends would be an impossible task for the US to overcome. The chinese would build an unstoppable military using Russian natural resources and energy. They are two of the largest countries in the world (land mass) so a US invasion would be impossible. They would have a far larger nuclear arsenal so a US nuclear threat would be useless. The sad reality is had we made an effort to create a REAL alliance with the Russians we would have an ally and a foot hole right at Chinas doorstep and then the Chinese would be at our mercy. Thanks Bush for ruining any chance of that happening though.
By the way no Europeans should be involved in a debate about how to win a war, there hasnt been a real European war victory in half a century and that was only thanks to US involvement in WW2 otherwise you would all be speaking German right now and chanting “Sieg Heil!!!”
This is war that I am sure no one wants to happen, but I am guessing that most people would be probably more lenient towards China than toward the USA because overall, China seems to be in a better light than USA, who most people view as a country full of hypocrites, religious fanatics and violent-based solutions. Besides, such a war would destroy both countries physically and economically, leaving behind two losers instead of only one.
The recent economic crisis has already shown the vulerability of United States. The US is not what is used to be and is a superpower in decline. All the western countries were suffering except nations like China and India who still had a 6% growth of gdp. Without these countries like China which has invested much in the US, the world economy would still be in decline.
In case of an war if China decided to pull out all of it financial reserves out of the US wil be become nothing more than a banana republic. Without the help of the Nato the US is not a big threat. The US are already fighting a doomed war in Iraq and were beaten by the vietnamese who were so called ”technology inferior”.
Time will show the US lose more of influence on the world stage. Instead other superpowers wil rise like the BRIC nations and take over the position of the US. This has always been the case with history. No ‘’superpower” remains forever.
The US mindset has to accept this than being ignorant.
It’s impossible for the US to win a war with China!!!
Economically China dominates the US and will continue to do so. War is not the right answer. The US can not afford it.
It was most entertaining to read this page! I’m no military expert myself but I did rather enjoy the “Americanism” that was posted on this site. Just goes to show how the US is so good at 1 thing…making their public fearless in a real war situation. I hope they never experience the real thing.
Can the United states WIN? a war against China?? I am Russian and i have to say that neither side can win without using massive amounts of nuclear weapons. To invade china or america it would require a suply line of over 5000+ miles over air or ocean. currently in Iraq on average for every soldier per day 16 barrles of oil is spent. IF there is a FULL SCALE war there is no way america will get that oil and sadly will be reduced to a much slower a cumbersome military. (your gona be needing some Hybrid abrams). Also Chinese peopel are a nationalistic peopel so you woudl have teh biggest partisan movement in history. So truthfully i woudl have to say that if any country would be able to win it would be China versus america. It has a HUGE industrial base and could outproduce and outman America. The Tide Is Turning
RedRussian..totally agree with your post above the tide is turning.Just wonder how Americans will cope with the new reality.While Russia was a military match for the USA it was never on their economic level.China on the other hand will surpass the USA as an economic giant and in time probably militarily as well.The balance of power in the world is once again shifting to the east.China has found a formula for success in its hybrid Communist/Capitalist system
a simple deterant against china would be more nuclear missles. what can 10 million soldiers do against 10 ICBM’s? so right now only the 2 of them can bomb each other but if it did come to a huge war alot of blood woud be shed over the tiny island of tiwan lol.
@ Captain V,
You should be a joker.What you have said is the funniest in this blog.I can’t stop laughing when I read your post.
@MuserforHire,
You are patriotic.I can sense that.But can you view things from multiple perspectives? Please stop being too rigid.
@Henry,
Does your stance shows the stance of most Italians?Your view is valuable.
@Jack,
You are no different from some biased Americans.They are insanely arrogant while you are overconfident of China.China,like the US,has many internal problems too.I’m a Chinese.I know that.
@RedRussian,
Any war between China and USA has nothing to do with you as a Russian,unless Russia wants to swallow up both China & USA after the two are paralysed.Russia poses threat to the world just like USA because of its extreme military overkill capabilities to destroy the world ten times.Just imagine Russia’s 16,000 nukes.Crazy isn’t it?Why Russia build so many nukes?For what purpose?
@To all from UK,
You guys are really more sensible than the Americans(who always love to compare ‘dick’ sizes ).I ,as a Chinese , cannot forget but can forgive Britain for its past sale of opium into China because Britain has established Hong Kong.We Chinese can learn British accounting and business principles from Hong Kong to gain access to Commonwealth markets.Money..Yummy..
@To all Canadians and Aussies,
You guys always help others in times of trouble without thinking of your own gain.What I love most about Canada is their tolerant citizens.God bless Canada!
@ To all Americans,
People might think that America is a hegemonic bully.In some cases ,it does.However,based on my Chinese viewpoint,the police called America has done a lot of destruction,but also has discouraged many countries from invading their neighbours for fear of US intervention.Everything is Ying-yang,meaning positive and negative.The negative side of US imperialism is destruction and widespread anarchy,while the positive side is USA’s role in preventing large scale war due to US position as the Balance of Power Axis in the world.US has done a lot to improve people’s lives by supporting their livelihood through rebuilding the industrial bases the people they have conquered although understandably for her own gains too.Take for instance post-war Japan and Germany.They were whacked by USA and later redeveloped by USA to become her allies.Now USA is doing the same to Iraq.I’ve known some Iraqi friends who said USA is not that terrible,it is the disunity among the Iraqi people that causes most chaos in Iraq.Back to USA-China case.The Chinese people thank USA as the God of Prosperity for buying their goods hence supporting the livelihood of many ordinary Chinese.Who said USA does only destruction?Even the Chinese PLA knows that USA is very supportive of China’s industry and would damn the notion of a US-China War!Everyone knows how corrupted and intimidating USA is,but are others different?No! Corruption,injustice,intimidation,and aggression is a global problem,not USA alone!To my US friends,you have many good excuses to attack many countries,but you have none to attack China.We,the Chinese people,will solve our own problems.If the Chinese Communist Party is corrupt,we’ll take it to our own to take out the corrupted officials or maybe even the Party itself.We’ll never allow ANY COUNTRY to topple the current ruling party and replaces it with PUPPET government serving any malicious foreigners!Final words,I hope Americans won’t become crazy enough to invade China like Hitler’s mindset.If Americans are well-behaved,the world rejoices as America currently has the most influence to project global direction.Are anyone still thinking like Stephen & Tyler? I hope none.
Yo you mention good an bad and i just want to say it isnt americas intrests. American goverement is supposed to provide for and protect ist citizens. Thats it. So if it means invadign a country for teh better life of its peopel it will be done. The peopel might not know why but itl happen. It doesnt matter to the goverment if the population of anoetrh country is starving or dieing. Unless there is a definate benifit in sight it wont usually help. Look at ww2. USA didnt care that europe was in ruins in 1945. but they needed help to fight against the soviet union. They knew they couldent do it alone. So america rebuilt Europe with the Marshal plan and that created a close bond. Look at africa. peopel are Dieing from malnutrition and desies liek flies. America isnt doign shit or any country for that matter because there is no benefit in sight. It “moraly” wrong but teh financialy right way to lead. Russia has stockpiled ALOT of munitions and weapons. Nuclear and conventional but it need it. 100 million people can not fend of a The chinese military without seriouse technological help and that is what it has to a point.
RedRussian,are you telling me that China may invade Russia? For what?
By the way,now I know why Russia needs so many nukes.
Because they are cowards.
RedRussian, I was just joking.
The clear reason for Russia to stockpile so many nukes because it faces Europe to the West ,China to the South,and most importantly,USA(Alaska ) to the East.Russia is the only superpower surrounded by so many superpowers therefore Russia is very insecure.
Although Russia has many nukes,they never use them.That’s good.Thus, I’m just wary but not hostile towards Russia.You’re right,no one does something for nothing.Interest comes first.
Russia has the world largest mineral and fossil fuel resources pool,and everyone is vying for a chunk in Russian natural resources.Just like USA’s insatiable hunger to rob oil.
Truthfully i dont know how RUssia will be able to survive as a country for much longer because of the resources it contains and its small military that protect them. Unless a Huge company is made like blackwater but hundreds of times bigger that could be bought to fight. Unless that happens Russias resources are going be worth more later and that will cause loads of problems. BUt seriously if a big war started china would be missing a few cities and comunication between its forward positions and command would be imposible so anything could happen.
Chinese clan..interesting to hear Chinese views on America.I know that the vast majority of Chinese do not have ill will toward America.But sadly many Americans as you can see from their posts view China as their enemy.Indeed before China developed a nuclear deterrent it was subject to threats of nuclear annillation by the USA.The problem is that America has become arrogant and drunk with power.It wants to impose a pax americano on the the other nations of the world.And any nation that can equal them in power and especially if it has a different political system will be viewed as a threat and an enemy.Really America is terrified of losing its position of top dog in the world.And as they are capable of electing unstable and intellectualy challenged leaders such as Bush,combine that with the foregoing plus their need for so much of the worlds resources which of course makes them view a nation such as China as a competitor and a rival.Taken all together it makes America the most dangerous and unpredictable nation on earth.It is in my opinion stable at the moment under Obama but who knows who or what will be in control there in the future.Oh and I am Irish not Italian (the flags are very similar).
Just to add in Europe I do not detect any fear of or ill will toward China.More an admiration for Chinas rise.But then we have learned to live with and compete peacefully with the rest of the world.
Dude you are sayign america is an uncontrolable beast that coudl cause major damage and yes. But it wont do it for no reason and for no gain. ALL americas actions are for a purpose of either protecting the states or raising funds. Now how that is down might be considered crude or insane but america is a very effective machine. And ofcorse they saw USSR as an enemy because they were fighting for control over the world in teh end. USSR fell apart adn China is takign its place. And why dhouldent be America afraid? China and all countries have same mentality of doign teh best for its people. So if war is nececary adn benefitial a second opinion wont even be reached.
RedRussian,your view point is good since you are a Russian-American.Please do not get offended when we talk about your Mother Russia.
By the way,RedRussian.Russian Military is extremely Strong.Perhaps world’s strongest.It is not small although Russia has a small population.Even USA fear direct confrontation with Russia.Remember during the Kosovo War , the USAF that prided itself for stealth,precise target acquiring, and world’s most advance avionics technology got its F-117 Nighthawks which was deemed invincible destroyed by older version of Russian Anti-Air System used by Serbian guerillas.Imagine if America attacks Russia with planes, I think all USAF pilots will storm White House and impeach the president for sending them to cold death in the hands of the powerful Russian Military.Nazi Germany will conquer all of Europe if not because of Russia’s might.
Im not offende but i usually see shit for what it is. RUssia isnt even in this argumenet but between China and USA. i would put my money on CHina.
RedRussian…the point you keep making is an obvious one.Of course the actions that nations take are what they see as advancing their interests.The same with individuals.One guy will see starting a business and working hard as a means to personal gain.Another will see robbing a bank at gunpoint as a means to achieve the same goal.They both basically have the same objective but the bank robber having the same basic objective as the business man does not justify his actions.The USA throwing its military weight around to achieve its objectives is very different from China and Europes policy of trade and peacefull co-existance.
@RedRussian,
Why r u putting your money in China?
@RedRussian Quote:
American goverement is supposed to provide for and protect ist citizens. Thats it. So if it means invadign a country for teh better life of its peopel it will be done.
Wow,invade other country for the better life of its people?! May God have mercy upon America!The country with the bank note printed with ” In God We Trust” justifies robbery of Iraq’s oil as a means to provide a better life to its citizens.What a hypocrisy!
No wonder my Australian friend tell me not to trust America !
America is the only or one of only countries that is even able to do this. The worl disg rowing and America is nto ont the top anymore. or soon to be shot down. So its fighting for control over strategic areas. I dotn see why you guys are so amazed by this. It doesnt justify why they blew a city up because it doesnt really have to. what are you gona do but USA in jail? no. America knows Europes dependance on America so it wont fight aginst it. It might argue over shit but never fight it. So are you saying america shouldent use its power that it has spent billions on to buidl and fought for for decades? Now thats unreasonable. Have you ever heard power corupts. Well in this case “ethics” and “morals” have been corupted which dont even have a meanign in war.
@RedRussian
Ethics and Moral has no meaning in anywhere. It is a fake thing created by man to bind the society together. If you go above the social level or below or even out of the society then words Ethic and Moral has no meaning. For example in the arena of international politics and diplomacy there is hardly any position for ethics or Moral. If you go to the wild in the jungle Ethics and Moral has no meaning. Even if you look at your own body in the biological point of view there is nothing called Ethics or Moral. Your own cells and many others are killed abused and destroyed to support your life. You put Ethics and Moral in that equation and you die withing a few hours. But again this Ethics and Moral is what makes us Human. This is the two things than creates the difference between a man and an animal. So real men should always care about ethics and moral. Yes even in War. You can look back to history and you can find many men who put Moral in front of victory in wars. It is our shame that we turned this bad today and men have no honor anymore.
The only time Ethics and morals come into play during war is when its over and “war criminals” are beign prosecuted for unethical treatment of prisoners or some bs like that. You ever hear “the victors write the history books”? That the only time ethics plays a real role. Yes on the front soldiers dont kill each other sometimes. one gets lucky and is let go or freed. Or soem general lets a route for a populouse to escape a conflict. yes it happens but in war where millions of lives are at stack and a whoel race is going to get demolished. there are no ethical lines. Its brutality vs brutality and the one that can endure wins.
@RedRussian
So why soldiers fight the battle?
WHy do soldiers fight any battle? For their personal belifes and or sometimes under a barrel. They fight for their people and relatives.
RedRussian,mind your spelling.
So there is a smell of moral and ethics in there what do you think?
For the common soldier? sure ofcorse there are once that shield children from bullets. ones that jump on grenades to save friends. In the individual case there is and always will be. However On a larger scale there is none. In war it is as brutal as it gets. If there is an apartment building with civiliand but soldiers are hiding in it. blow down the building. It is not in teh ntrest of the military to infiltrate the buildign looking for enemies. its easyer to blow it up adn have no lives lost of your own soldiers. Yes its brutal and yes its not “moral” however nothign shoudl stand in between the lives of 100+ million people.
Every one is talking about the us having a terrible small ground force not true. The Marines are probably the 2nd best trained G.I.s in the world if your talking about pure combat.(1st probably the Spetsnaz) and not to mention China army is tenably trained much less trained than most any US force.
My guesses: if the US is defeated, it will be an internal collapse due to corrupt politics, undisciplined finances, and overconfidence. If China is defeated, it will be a revolt of its own people against an oppressive government which denies them freedoms deserved by all people. Neither country would attack the other under any “reasonable” circumstances due to mutually assured destruction.
It’s unfortunate that people so strongly identify with the particular chunk of soil they happened to be born on that they forget we are all members of the same human race and more alike than we realize. It’s easier to stereotype members of another country and say “They” are all a certain way. It’s also easy to judge an entire nation for the action of its leaders, even when many living in that country may not agree with those actions. Does any nation truly operate as one body and mind?
Perhaps at some point in the future, better sources of resources and energy can be found so that countries do not have to compete against each other in order to advance. A clean, abundant, renewable energy source would go a long way towards this. Imagine the problems that could be solved if all of the most powerful countries worked together instead of feeling threatened by each other. Like it or not, we’re all in this together, and many problems today affect everyone on the planet. This page only serves to inflame those unproductive sentiments and bring out the worst of humanity. Progress towards a true global society can only take place once individual people in each country put aside their personal ambitions and distrust. That starts with you and me.
Why would anyone want the u.s and china to fight a war. Who ever thinks that should be shot (just kidding). But seriously a war between the two would be devastating to both parties. But to get to the topic a hand the U.S would win in a conventional war just as “Gomzi” stated. Even then the U.S would suffer tremendous casualties probably anywhere from 50,000 kia or wia to 500,000. While China would lose anywhere from 100,000 kia and wia to 5 million kia or wia. But on the other hand the U.S would suffer more economically than China. But if it becomes a nuclear war then were not talking about 100 million dead on both sides, but the end of world. The nuclear fallout and the dust created by the explosions would block sunlight for many years therefore creating many famines and possibly a miny ice age and with that many will die.
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China may win. The war already began. China is purchasing the world. China, (the enemy) is even manufacturing some of U.S. weapons. It will be a conventional war. All satellites may be destroyed. High tech weapons will be of no good. The U.S. is in financial problem. Usually, the country with the most money wins the war. Remember Russian and Germany during during the second world war. Germany had the best weapons, soldiers, etc. However, they lacked on fuel, manpower, etc. The Russians had more factories than the Germans had. Read the history of war. U.S. won world war 2 because they were the largets industrial nation. China is now the largest industrial nation. And China is becoming larger and richer. I will not be surprised if over 1 million chinese airplanes attack any country at the same time. China has the manpower. I don’t know of any country that has over 1 millons defense missels to shotdown 1 million airplanes. It will be too expensive.
I personally don’t think USA would have any chance against China.
USA Democratic country.
-> this is one of the reason. Its security & services are public based. Everything is disclosed to president of USA or Parliament. They have the right to know how much funds to give etc.
China
-> The country government is dictatorship not democratic. The government wont disclose how much advanced their weapons & Equipments are.
America has better technology then China?
-> This maybe true on public level. But not on military level. China may be far more superior in biological weapons & technologies. They just wont announce it, to keep low profile.
-> CHINA’s Government is far richer then america. They have trillions of US dollars for spare. Its like they are making fun of america’s economy.
Think of labor cost building 1 airfleet by United State.
Compare the cost with building 1 airfleet by china.
It will be waay cheaper. China would make 5-10 most advanced air fleet which would make only 1 basic airfleet by american.
Not to mention if China Vs USA war breakout. There is high chance of alliance between Russia,China, India and other countries.
“The only winning move is not to play” Wargames. I belive that common sense and self preservation will prevent a WWIII scenario.
the US is a strong nation but sadly the whole entire world would have to gang up on China for them to actually be defeated with their HUGE military and lets not forget north korea that’s also has a large army, personally if the US had prevented China from even thinking of becoming communist or taken it over after its disaster mess war with Japan none of this would even happen and all we would have to worry about is North Korea that with help of the Russian army we could defeat
Hi All,
Interesting feedback and comments. I have served with the british military, it was what i was good at at my friend have died due to political greed and Religous hate.
The war in the middle east has raged for 1000 years and it is not worth dragging other countries into a dispute which is not thier own. If the western powers can have ballistic missiles then why cant other countries?
Is it worth the lives of all the men that have been lost? All this arguing over who has got the biggest balls and who is the superpower ect. At the end of the day there is one way to look at it. The US s powerful because it does have the manpower, technology and the Allies. China have been doing this for milleniums. For as long as history goes there has been conflict there.
To be honest if the view of the world leaders is to create situations where disputes can happen then they should not be in power.
A War settled by words can be the only war won.
I enjoy what i do and i am good at it. I serve with the best there is. However there is always a different path to take. Stop fighting each other and work together for the good of everyone.
China would never want to have a war with the United States again. However, China will always continue to strengthen its military strengh for a possible war with the United States.
The chinese people never see the americans as their enemy, because for the China, the only truly enemy is Japan, which was once upon a time also your enemy.
Perhaps you’ve already forgotten, long long time ago, China and the US were allies during WWII. We were friends, and never an enemy to each other. The korean war was only a silly war which Mao was forced by Stalin to fight against the US. This however would never happen again.
Again, China would never want to fight against the americans, but as a Chinese, I can tell you that China would never be afraid to have a war with anyone if forced to be. And we are always prepared to .
LOL China is never going to ally with India. Adding India as an ally would not help anyway. China has always sponsored and supported whether militarily or economically its puppet state of pakistan. Pakistan would have collapsed decades ago if it were not for Chinese support. The arrogant Americans naively think that they can tame pakistan, by appeasing it first and now fighting a weak proxy war via afghanistan. This is the same america that lost in the korean war and vietnam proxy wars against china. Notice how bashing america and the west is so popular in pakistan, whereas when china was “taking good care” of its uighurs in xinjiang there was not one squeak out of pakistan. Pakistan’s long term interests are definitely allied at the minimum with Beijing if not directly coordinated by the CCP itself.
I am a chinese american in the united states Navy. What should happen is the United states and China should team up and take over the rest of the world. After they decimate the rest of the world. The US will take north and south americas, africa and split europe. China will take Asia, Austrailia, and the other half of europe. and the chinese american alliance will rain supreme for all eternity.
LONG LIVE CHAMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is ironic that Americans protest against the idea that they are stupid and then believe that the size of penises is the be-all and end-all of one’s existence. Looks like Americans missed the evolution train at some point of time, and got stuck in between being an ape and a human. What would you be comparing next, the size of your clubs?
I is not like the Chinese would put their 10 million soldiers in crowded circles, waiting for the American ICBMs to strike the centres.
im a pilino i live in phillipines believe me man almost people in the phillipines are pro american infact most of us speak english rather than our dialec..but in terms of war china and us people in the phillipines will never support in us….so dont think all you called allies today will be your allies in war in future…
This topic is pointless so long as Anti-Americanism and Anti-China sentiments persist.
China will never win USA bcoz of the distance between contiguous USA and China.China’s huge ground forces are just waste products against USA since China will never have the chance to field a beachhead on US West Coast.China have the numbers so what?Are Chinese soldiers biologically amphibious to be able to swim across the Pacific Ocean and overrun USA?Bullshit!Even if China moves across the Pacific,they have to pass through numerous US garrisons stationed around the Pacific.Invasion of Chinese forces on USA is made impossible by logistical inconvenience.
What about invasion of US forces on China? It won’t happen! Why?USA can’t even win the hearts and minds of the Chinese.Let’s assume that USA penetrated China’s defence and occupy China,it will be the most gruesome nightmare ever for US forces bcoz they have to face a 1 billion potential guerilla fighters.Not even a US military colt can sleep,for fear of never-ending ambushes by the Chinese.If in Vietnam US lost 60,000 men,in China they will lose millions of soldiers.
Final resolution,apocalypse Nuke or peace deal.China would lose 1/2 of its population in a US nuclear barrage, but such an act will provoke the deadliest revenge against USA in the future.The leftover Chinese will have only one thing in mind ——Cannibalism.Since most crops are destroyed in a Nuclear War,the only thing to eat is American flesh.OMG.
USA will be divided in few countries… Texas is first to go….then Lakota which has its legal claims…..now remaining 40% will go down in smaller states
american military is overated f22 cost way too much to be put in war and their are only a couple of them secondly if a american marine steps foot on china he will be facing 1.3 billion people to fight. remeber the sino japenese war japan lost even with far far superior techonolgy. america only came to ww2 to have a piece of russia and chinas glory. if america lost 60.000 men and billions of dollars fighting china will cost them n amount of men and $. lastly for all the american retards who say the pla use stone and sticks and compare ur dicks you guys have less intelligence than a pig chinese army are one of the best trained because their are lots of soldier and lots of trainer and they have the guts to fight because our nation have been invaded by forgin power for 800 years! unlike marines which relies on techonolgy and shit
I believe that china will win, just because of the fact that the chinese military is mainly a defensive military as opposed to us military which is an offensive, force. Also, china’s population can easily overwhelm the US’s by around 250 million and thats just the army. People might argue that the US’s military has supposedly and yes a lot is true “futuristic and up-to date weapons” but the chinese have people, every person equipped with some sort of weapon. For example, if the US shoots one grenade.. i forgot what it was called, well it impacts the inside of a building but nothing outside is eliminated, the chinese would just EASILY get 500 men and arm them with 6-pac grenade launchers, the house would be obliterated. I personally think that china will win, not because of it’s strength, but because of the overwhelming population.
Well, the situation would change as it evolved. As it is now, the United States strategy would be a steal from the British play-book during the Opium Wars a few hundred years ago. First priority would be to gain naval and air superiority over the seas around China and its major industrial complex’s. The British knew that for all their technology, strategy, and tactical expertise, that they could not possibly overcome the superior numbers and cultural strength of the Chinese. The US is also aware of this reality and would not pretend for a moment that an occupation would be possible. Instead, the US would employ several strategies after achieving dominance in the air and sea. From the onset of war, the US would have anywhere from six months to a year before China could re-tool its economy to outproduce the United States. If the US could not cripple trade and infrastructure by that time than a Chinese victory would be assured given numerical superiority. This would be difficult for the Chinese because it would be cheap, easy, and relatively low risk for the US to destroy roads, factories, buildings, and industrial centers via cruise missiles and bombing raids. The US would be limited to only taking city centers and industrial areas and forcing a Chinese surrender. There would be no way of either country completely destroying the other and lets all hope it is never attempted. Unfortunately, as I type this, the old maxim “The two biggest kids on the block will eventually fight” comes to the forefront of my mind.
a war against china will be americas last
they got defeated by vietnam china is 100 times stronger
and if such war did happen the remaining world will not shut their ass up and see the massacre. england i hope is sensible enough to keep out of it. russia would see it as a chance to finish america. even nuclear capable india will not see just see the show.india and china are blood rivals but against america all chinese and indians WILL unite.
u talk of destroying chinese economy (?) go and read history they have seen much worse than USA. US millitary strength is a hype to wage propaganda war against its own people. Even CIA accepts that during cold war if USSR had attacked first, US would be slaughtered in few hours. that is why they wanted to initiate Star War prog.
More so americans live on their satellites for even basic navigation in see. China is well capable of destroying them in matter of hours. without them americans are as blind as ants.
America isnt big brother anymore.
They need to sort out Iran and North Korea. China is long way.
So long Yanks..
YOU STUPIDS all of you,… in the next big war between 2 super powers …they gonna start with troops and tanks but they will end with atomic bombs …..and the winner will be the war itself … and if you are proud that your country has military power but you dont have medical insurance …then you are stupid 10×10….
probably the USAF will be the first to go down. first chinese will blow their F 22 raptor’s stealth hype. without their AF US is weaker then Bangladesh.
WOW, americans think they could defeat CHina when they can’t even win against Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. You people got high belief on yourselves, and it might get you killed one day.
THere is no way the U.S. could ever defeat China. THeir population is over three times bigger than my country. Most CHinese citizens support their government. If the UNited States declared war, the citizens would not support it and many would riot, even if China initiated the war. Another problem the U.S. would face is not having a draft. All U.S. military forces are volunteers.
Another thing I must add is lets say the U.S. did manage to seize CHina, do you think those billion plus Chinese citizens would just sit and allow their several thousand years of culture be destroyed by a 234 year old country devoid of any culture?
Cperea is out of his mind
In a realistic point of view, the US would only stand a chance via EU aid in which case with our western technology and the population boost of the EU, we might stand a chance. It is a hands down fact that as of now we have a technological edge but not by much, the chinese are gaining on us and fast.
My gf is Chinese. I do hope this thing never takes place. and even if it does, my loyalties are with her, not with either country. sorry but that is the deep truth of life, yes? besides, both Chinese and Americans have more in common that most people realise… a war would be stupid when we can achieve more through cooperation.
I think the over rating of the US military has only to do with the way we have chosen to conduct operations. During WWII when we decided to fire bomb Germany and Japan and Carpet bomb continually both until both nations were be devistated. With Air Superiority, nothing could withstand such firepower for very long. I beileve we have the same capabilty and more, but because of the human right campaigns aimed at non disciminate killing, has forced us into a corner with World opinion, and weaken our resolve to type of war No country with the same or greater military power could win. God forbid we should harm innocent civilians. If we went into Irag (at the time) and just started at the beginning and massed bombed, city after city, the People themselve would outst those responsible. They’d be crying uncle LONG ago..
Sorry, but the US military will decline and can’t win against China. China can’t win either. The sad part is US will be able to fight on Chinese territory, so casualty for China is much higher.
In the future, white people in the US will be a minority, so most people are of non-white origin. That being said, US will be come less imperialistic when white people stop being afraid of their own shadow.
You all who are basing your decisions on past and current wars are missing one key fact. We currently have a few hundred thousand in our active military, and out of this high percentage are not in battle but doing logistical support. If and when a war that threatens the continental US then the people of america would enlist in droves (or else the draft would be reinstituted). 118 million people in the US are fit for military service. Despite China having 6 times that number, when you multiply our current military capabilities by 100-200 times we would win.
Also do not forget that China is threatening (what I mean is they are becoming stronger and making some uncomfortable) many other of our allies particularly the old powers in NATO and also Japan so we would have far greater capabilities in terms of assistance and bases worldwide, we occupy afghanistan which borders china. Their only threat to the us is economic, when they sell off our currency hyperinflation would set in, also they could drastically reduce our will to fight by not producing the almost countless types of things they export here. One other option is nuclear war, we have over 9000, they have a few hundred but not many that could reach CONUS (continental us). In the end any type of war would be terrible for both sides with the UNITED STATES COMING OUT ON TOP.
Most are saying that USA will have to win at the end, but thats not ture in real war factor. Yes, if USA dose go to war with China that will be WW3 because let’s not forget during the Korean war China push the US out of North Korea. There may be a war becuase the Earths natrual reasoures are running out and the world may pick sides or let the war be free for all with both sides with major loss. So lets try to stop this war or the world would be in ruins for the survivers. ( Sorry about spelling never was my strong point)
Im reading all of this and the first point I would like to make is that warring would literally achieve nothing, for looser or winner. I know this is a scenario but let us remind ourselves of this.
Next, if it was a completely even war where the only difference were units, aka human beings, the US has more experience but China has much more people, their standing army is about double ours is not caught up in other wars. If this was a conflict with true dedication behind it then both would inevitably pass a conscription, the US pulling all stops might have 50 million soldiers who would be fresh, this would leave barely enough for at home quarrels, material production and of course reproduction of Americans. China on the other hand pulling from its over 1.3 billion population and much better organization–communism does have it’s upsides–they could form about 400 million more troops. Hence USA looses.
Still, China would never have to run this distance. Look at the back of your computer, maybe on the bottom of your coffee mug, your printer standing idly by–chances are there are made in CHINA. Now, no coffee mug ever decided a war but my point is that we are completely reliant on the Chinese’s manufacturing now. Some of you have said why not just stop importing Chinese goods–well, how long can you go without food. If China wished to cripple us they could simply stop sending us food and we would be facing mass starvation.
I realize many of these posts were written before the American economy reached its bottom but now that it has and is struggling to stay afloat much less to repair itself, remember war in great part relies on money. We are already in the whole trillions (to China) and China is possibly now the greatest creditor nations, and has been able to do so amazingly easily. They have so much money from exports they would be fine if we never made good on our debts–they might not notice. We loose here again.
The one thing we have left is good old project manhattan. Our ace up our sleeve for many Cold War days. I have always been against such large scale bombs on a moral basis for they are made to target civilians. Really though, who wins in a nuclear war?–no one. Think about that, understand that. If one nuke is sent a hundred other countries will send theirs up. Of course no one has yet to build any sort of a defense against it so were all dead. Its the rat letting the cat out of the cage.
So to recap, in all instances we would loose to China. We can thank whatever god we believe in that this is all fictional. However, were this by some misfortune to become true it would all still apply. The greatest thing war has ever taught us is too never war again. Yet, it is a possibility, with China buying up so many energy reserves and US’s crutch would be oil if we were to name one. China historically has never been an aggressive country although we are.
Some of you have said why not just stop importing Chinese goods–well, how long can you go without food. If China wished to cripple us they could simply stop sending us food and we would be facing mass starvation.
I understand the point but in terms of food we produce most of it ourselves in is manufactured goods where we get into trouble
I hope some of you Americans are just trying to pull our legs. Otherwise you’re making yourselves and your country look like a bunch of mindless redneck neanderthals.
@MiddleMan: Yes, if the USA “multiplied” their force by 100 times via conscription, do you really think they would still be able to project the same amount of power they do now? They can’t afford it as it is in their current war against some overrated cavemen, what do you think will happen when they have to pay 100x as much, WITH their enemy being their biggest previous creditor?
Just out of curiousity have any of you even read the information above on the Chinese military which I must mention has a budget only a small fraction the size of the US.
Yes they have a lot of troops but what do they have to support them? Old soviet 50’s 60’s and a little 70’s era technology or systems copied from them.
Defense analysts conservatively put western tech at 4 times more effective than even the most recent soviet designs and you expect that a huge horde with obsolete antiques is going to take on the most highly funded, advanced, and powerful military in the history of the world?
You’re out of your mind. China still fights with OLD soviet era junk as well as with their military doctrine. Guess what? Iraq fought with those same tactics back in 1991 and got wiped off the map. Their officer corps is not the intitiative based and flexible machine that the US has, they have inflexible plans made at the General level and take large ammounts of time to change or innovate.
No, I stand by my previous decision, if we went to war with China and they met us on the battlefield with everything they had, they would be crushed.
One last thing about the quality of troops and even back during the days of Sparta, troop quality mattered. US has an all volunteer superbly trained military. China relies almost entirely on two years conscripts just like Russia. You people need to stop looking at mere numbers of troops, tanks, aircraft, etc. Start looking at what they actually have and what they can do with them.
SGT.Dela…you are not taking into account the scale that this war would be.America would also have to rely on conscripts. China is a far more advanced country than Iraq and indeed the performance of the US military there was far from impressive given the great disparity in size between the two nations.Chinas equipment now is far from obsolete antiques given that it is rapidly becoming a high tech nation.Also take into account that China unlke Iraq has the ability to knock out that keystone of American military doctrine..the survailance and guidance satelites.And American aircraft in Chinese airspace would certainly not enjoy the free and easy ride they had over Iraq and Afghanistan.Any american army that managed to set foot on Chinese soil would face guerilla warfare on a scale never before seen.And I am sure in a desperate situation the American fleets off shore would face devasting conventional and Kamikaze attacks from the Chinese airforce.To compare the war in Iraq with a Sino American conflict is pointless.One is a giant beating up a little guy the other is two giants battling to the death.
Henry… I respectfully disagree. The US has about 3 million active and reserve troops with which to use, and even taking into account that we’re still heavily involved in Iraq and and afghanistan at the time of war, our military is designed to fight a major war (china) as well as two or three smaller scale wars (Iraq, Afghanistan).
China as a whole is more advanced than Iraq, but their military is not, just larger.
I don’t mean to say that China does not have the latest Russian tech such as the sukhoi class fighter, but they have them in very small numbers. 90-95% of their stuff is OLD and nothing more than targets for US war machines.
Yes I am aware of Chinas capability of anti satelite missiles, but I do remind you that our satelites do have defenses, and do you not think that a military with a $700 billion dollar defense budget doesn’t have a few back up systems as well as plans in case several defense satelites are taken out?
I also have to disagree on your assessment of Chinese Kamikazee attacks or guerilla warfare. That is as if saying Chinese society/ culture is the same as pre-ww2 Japan, or for that matter countries known for resisting (using guerilla tactics) more powerful countries such as Vietnam + Afghanistan. First off China does not have weapons to arm a large number of their civilians. Secondly, ever heard of T-square/ the many recent protests/ tibet/ uyger turks/ or the 1 billion chinese that work for near nothing under the thumb of the totalitarian regime?
No my friend, not only are these people not Kamikazee’s, they are not guerilla fighters, nor would they fight for a country that would undoubtedly be turned into a democracy after an American victory where they would make more than $2 a day.
I agree that this wont be a giant beating down a lil guy, but this will be Brock lestner fighting tank abbot. Hope you’re a UFC fan, so you can understand that
Cheers
SGT.Delta…with respect to you also.It strikes me how your view is very similar to the expectations of the German leadership before they launched Barbarossa.They thought they would be facing an army with obsolete weapons and poorly led and a population eager to overthrow their goverment also.Anyhow we all know how that went.Never underestimate nationalism.Regarding the question of would the Chinese air force resort to Kamikaze attacks.Well if I remember correctly did not a chinese pilot ram and bring down an American spyplane just a few years ago losing his life in the process.Also the physcial size of a nation can be a major factor in its military capacity as an army with a large landmass at its back can keep withdrawing and stretching its enemies supply lines to breaking point again the Russian example which applies also in Chinas case.Oh and sorry never heard of Brock Lestner or Tank Abbot I assume they are boxers yeah?..best regards
War is not all about technology or numbers. They are a importent part of war but turely we have no clue who will win a war with USA VS China. In this case I have to agree with Henry. Sorry SGT.Delta but thinking you have a sure win in war is the only way to badly lose a war. Always give it your all in war, because if you don’t you’ll lose more lives then needed to calm things down agian.
HENRY,
Go back to your pub and drink some more warm beer. Damn i think everyone is dumber after reading your stupid, pointless ramblings.
When was the last time that Canada,Ireland and Australias opinion really mattered to the world anyway ?
Henry… The Germans did not learn from history. The depth of Russia (making resupply and reinforcement difficult) as well as the inevitable winter (which wiped out most of Napoleons army) was not taken into account and lead to the superior German forces to be worn down and eventually surrounded by Russian forces.
The population did greet the Germans at first as liberators since under Stalin millions of people were killed. BUT the Germans made another mistake by destroying this advantage by their genocide.
Hitler (and stalin for that matter) made decisions and plans at his level that were inflexible and lead to his commitment to costly engagements at Moscow and Stalingrad when he could have surrounded the cities and moved on to capture needed oil fields. Germany made every mistake they could and negated their advantages by turning the people against them and not planning for winter. Confidence was not their downfall.
China does not have that depth since its major cities are all along their eastern coast and to the west of the country is largely mountainous without effective roads with which to withdraw or advance, not to mention several territories praying for the overthrow of the current Chinese govt.
Nelly… I do agree with your point that there are certain factors that cannot be taken into account that can influence the outcome. In perfect conditions the US military would roll over the Chinese, but thats with them playing to the US strength. Also a war with a country that big would require a major spark which I do not forsee for at least another 50 years.
If there really is a war, no one would win. Although the us have a larger air force and navy (and also more powerful), its not just conventional equipment that counts. The chinese have an army of 8 million (counting paramilitary) and all are armed with modern weapons such as the QBZ-95. Though china will, for the time being not be able to attack us, the us cannot invade an inch of chinese soil. If the us use nuclear weapons, the chinese will also use them. Although the us has more nukes, the chinese have enough to destroy every major city in the us, crippling it’s already unstable economy. It would be suicidal t bomb china, because it has perhaps an unpenatratable sam defence, not to mention hundreds of su-27 and su-30s. But war is not just about armies, its about economy too. The americans owe china trillions of doolars, and the only way they are able to continue with their spend more than earn ways are to borrow money from china and japan. If china were to stop lending money to the us, the us economy would collapse. However, the same would happen to china, becuse a lot of chinee money is in the us econmy. With both economies severly damaged, any war would be stopped. however, if the war continues, the chinese would inevitably win, because, for more than 4000 years, the chinese have lived on agriculture. the people of china would continue to live, and even thrive due to the fact that they can efficienly live off the earth, mabye even continue to fight the war. Im not saying the US cant do the same, it’s just that the chinese have been without technology for a long time, whereas the us have never done the same. Also, the us dont have many allies. Tough they have countries like germany, france (EU) on there side, and of course japan and taiwan as cronies, the chinese have russia and other countries that are not as rich as the EU. The americans couldnt win the vietnam war, they were beaten by ill-equipded ill trained guerillas popping out of holes. china is similar, except they are well trained (perhaps even better the the us itself) and are equiped with modern weapons. And whats more, the chinese have people, lots of them who will do anything to keep their country safe.
CHRIS
canada is the major supplyer of oil to america we are pretty much your most important ally which you have very little.
china is able to not be conquered by any body for 5 thousand years america is not the biggest challenge china faced. china is not like iraq, f 22 is just propoganda by the us government each one cost more than bill gates ever will make and a simple sam missle can shoot it down, a f117 got shot down in yugoslavia by a anti aircraft gun by a couple of militia and a b2 bomber destroyed it self in guam and 2 buildings got rammed by some muslim people
Hruby… I must once again state that their military (including reserve, active, and para) is NOT well equipped or trained, let alone armed with advanced weapons.
It is not impossible to invade any country, and the US has a long history of being great at amphibious invasions. Just look at what we did to Japan, a country that took China apart. China does not have great numbers of SU-27’s or Su-30’s, especially not hundreds. BTW the F-22 has a projected kill ratio of 30:1 over the SU-27, and even our F-15’s have taken out the most advanced Migs without even one F-15 lost. Read the articles above and you’ll see that a majority of Chinese planes are old J-6/7 and hardly up for a fight against US legacy fighters.
You obviously haven’t studied Economics because it is evident you don’t understand that it is the world bank that loans the US money, not China or Japan directly. China has bought US govt bonds, in essense “loaning us money” but that is hardly a major part of our useable money. The US economy is not based on the govt income, it is based on American consumers. IF American consumers decide to stop buying Chinese goods, then it would be Chinas economy who would collapse.
A war would not last years, just months. And we would not be fighting every man woman and child, I think your idea of what war is, is severely uneducated.
Let me remind you that China couldn’t win a war against Vietnam. We won every battle but were fighting against HIGHLY funded veteran guerillas who had been fighting for decades. Armed with the latest Soviet and Chinese military equpment. It wasn’t a bunch of guys popping out of holes.
Dela…the Chinese forces that fought the Americans and their allies in the Korean war were far less well equipped than the modern Chinese forces and still they managed to send the American army on its longest retreat ever and the Chinese did not even have an air force artillery or armour!!.And only supply and logistic problems stopped them short of total victory.It is also pointless to equate victory or defeat in an air war over China based on aircraft performance manuals.An example of what I mean by that is the air war over north Vietnam where the tiny Vietnamese airforce in mostly obsolete aircraft gave the American bomber hordes a hard and bloody time.They done this by employing clever and innovative tactics by denying the Americans the opportunity to use their technological advantage and they combined with smart use of ground defences turned rolling thunder into rolling disaster with nearly one thousand American aircraft lost.What makes you think the Chinese are incapable of doing the same?.Another thing dont forget the scale of the war we are discussing here American forces will not have the luxury of calling in a fighter bomber to every little sniper attack.This will not be Iraq or Afghanistan where America has overwhelming superiority in all areas.And another thing the China of today is not the fragmented nation Japan invaded so any comparision is meaningless.You are also under the illusion that the Chinese want to be liberated THEY DONT.If America invaded China they would be fighting every man woman and child.The Chinese have been humiliated by foreigners in the past they will NEVER NEVER allow that to happen again.Oh and you state about America being great at amphibious invasions “look what we did to Japan”.You ended the war with Japan by terrorism using weapons of mass destruction.You do not have that option with China as you would be repayed in kind.
I agree with your closing comments that America ended the war with Japan by terrorism using weapons of mass destruction, because the knew Japan did not have these kind weapons of mass destruction to hit them back, but with China they do not have that option available to them and they China will also hit hard where it hurts most with their weapons of mass distruction.
Please remember China is no Iraq or Afghanstan even Americans have found tough going in these two poor, small and developing countries.
If war goes all out, then yes China can lose. If war remains conventional then NO. But have to say that China have more allies than USA. Do not consider EU an ally for any war in future.
Most people recognize continental USAs distance from others as an advantage, and it is, for defensive purpose. However for offensive task it is a major hindrance. It is isolated.
Other nuke powers in the worlds are all clustered together. China(400)-Russia(8000)-India(*)-Pakistan(*)-N.Korea(*). There is no way to distinguish between whether an ICBM heading this way or that.
US had proposed project for global hypersonic non-nuclear strike weapon (WaveRider) on shelf for more than a decade now. The only reason they did not go forward with it untill recently was an accidental nuclear armaggedon. It might be the only superpower right now but Russia still has more than enough juice in it to vapourise entire US and EU.
So forget about initial missile strikes before actually landing troops on chinese mainland. They will not risk it. I have no doubt that there enough dumbheads in pentagon to actually start realizing WaveRider system. But what can you say? They were stupid enough to prepare to attack us (India) in 1971 on behalf of Pakistan just 10 years after there humiliating defeat in Vietnam.
And DELA, your fighter kill ratios are just useless. Most of these are against pilots trained on toy planes. During Korean war the US (so called UN) forces had pushed past 38Th parallel and turned most of NK air force to scrape metal. However the moment China intervened, that great kill ration took a sharp fall. That helped the chinese to push the US on backfoot and retreat.
That was about the skill. You say that USs fighters are high tech. So could the chinese. It wont be the first time if US miss estimates chinas capabilities to half of real (ex missile range, warhead yields, tanke counts, chemical weapon stockpile etc.)
And about number. Today it is China not US which has the largest air force at its disposal.
Ok with the amount of nuclear weapons stockpiles there is enough to sterilise the surface of the planet. If that happens there will be no USA, there will be no China, there will be no Europe, Asia, South America, Pacific or Africa, there will be no Middle East. THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT!!!!!! Why do we have to argue who will win when we all know that no one will. What’s the point of this discussion? What’s the point in rattling our sabres at each other. There is no point!! When we are all dead it won’t matter to us one bit. The universe certainly doesn’t care we are just a blip on the landscape and the universe will carry on once we are all gone. There is no point to this discussion. Why don’t you all just concentrate in living your lives in peace and trying to better yourself rather than poking your tongue out at each other like 5 year olds. Why don’t you all grow up.
This really disappoints me to see that my actual reply did not get posted. Basically in a nutshell Iraq and afghanistan are not to be underestimated. US fought soviet pilots in korea who had superior aircraft. Those who speak of Vietnam on here should actually read up on the history of the conflict, not just from the North Vietnams side of it, or the fact that we did not complete our mission.
The projected kill ratios are done using capabilities as well as how well the raptors did against hundreds of US legacy fighters with US pilots who have more training and flight hours than any other pilots in the world by far.
As far as US ending WW2 with “terrorism” that can be said about any act in just about any war by any nation. We did what we had to and saved at least as many lives of US soldiers than civilians we killed. Lets not forget Japan was no angel. And to Hentry, I think you should know better than anyone that your close neighbor Britain has caused far more suffering around the world than the US has.
I can’t believe this debate has gone on as long as it has. In the days of global interdependce we should never see a war amongst industrial nations.This holds especially true when talking about the United States and China. At the citizen’s level, American companies rely on offshoring for cheap labour to keep profits where they are, because here in America there isn’t nearly as many people seeking “blue collar” factory jobs as there are in China. Since Americans mainly seek “white collar” office jobs where their salaries rely on said offshoring factories. Now this also benefits China due to the US Dollar s current (for how much longer?) superiority to the Chinese yen, thus allows American companies to pay Chinese workers less than American minimum wage but still giving them way more than the majority Chinese based jobs. At the government level, China and the US rely too heavily on each other’s stability to even impose sanctions on one another much less fight each other. Think of global currencies as a stock market.China has invested too much into the US Government and American businesses (which lobby our Government) have invested too much into Chinese labour. If a war broke out our system of interdependence would be made more obvious to the common citizens of both nations resulting in a call for peace on both sides. The American businesses would collapse while the Chinese economy (not Yen) would collapse as its unemployment rate would skyrocket. Actually both sides would see a rise in unemployment. Both sides would lose income tax revenues thus putting a stranglehold on both Governments. China and the US simply need each other right now. China needs American companies to provide its citizens with jobs, while American companies and consumers need China to keep prices on various products stable. We Americans are horrible consumers with our failing credit card system paired with the fact that we only make up 3% of the worlds population while consuming 25% of its energy. You can spend forever and day debating over both country’s military might and not get anywhere since war is truly unpredictable. So, if this unaffordable war where to happen the EU and Russians that would be lending both sides the money to fight it would be the only winners.
P.S. To all Non-American posters: we (the citizens) are not seeking war with anybody. Many of us wish our country would be more like Switzerland and stay out of international conflicts while remaining a power in the international economy. Actually, at George Washington’s farewall address he warned us to stay out of foreign alliances (God how I wish my country had listened).
I apologize but I left out one more important thing on this issue: if this war were to happen it would be mainly Barack Obama’s fault. For 2010 he pledged $6.4 billion in weapons for Taiwan. I don’t know one person here who gives a shit about Taiwan or Tibet for that matter. I honestly believe if China took over Taiwan today we would only talk badly about them to the UN and cut off weapons aid while providing essentials to Taiwan.
But, we Americans all have an opinion when it comes to the Korean Peninsula. We could very easily overthrow NK’s Govt since it is essentially a failed state caught up in the military industrial complex. They need a threat or the belief of a threat to keep their citizens in favor of their current system. If we could somehow educate the North Koreans they would overthrow their govt for us. Should a war break out amongst the North and South then you will have China and the US at War. The world must take this ability away from Kim Jong Il
irish henry you’re wicked you talk sense like a true professional
Im from Connecticut and i am truly a patriot. But even still i won’t clound my head in the false reality that the u.s. could even temporarily hold a patch of ground on chinese soil. If we tried this America would quickly be violently expelled from chinese territory. The United States has a sizable, technological, and obviously capable military machine. Best in the world hands down. Sure the chinese have numbers but thats where their advantages mainly stop. The best the chinese could do would be to hold up and defend themselves from us americans short of nuclear weapons. They have no bluewater navy, and poor and underequipped airforce, an overstaffed and lacking army, and a strengthening though still relatively poor economy and middle class. Russia can not legitimatley benefit from a sino-american conflict. Their population is deppresed and rapidly declining. They have many rescources that they are not fully capable of exploiting. Maybe in a decade or two they can turn things arounds but they are not close. BUT back to the discussion. China’s population is extremely concentrated on the Pacific coast. Cruise missles and bombers intended for military targets would inevitably cause high amounts of collateral damage in China. This could likely boost the determination against the superior foe. They would likely not give up and niether side would win. Only china would lose.. GOD BLESS AMERICA- “we saved the world once, and we saved the world twice.” Also US war production if organized and orchestrated, simply has no equal and continues to increase in potential.
i hope us get what it deserve by getting there ass bombed and nuked
In a war of attrition, the chinese advantage in manufacturing expertise and infrastructure would prove to be huge.
In reality neither country could occupy any of the other country for very long, the populace wouldn’t stand for it.
The battle would be fought in some defenseless country as a middle ground. Also what would they be fighting over? Probably control of an oil supply, so the battle would probably fall in africa or the middle east. The cost of fighting the war would outweigh the benefit to either side except for military contractors.
As far as a nuclear strike, you need a consensus from all powers capable of retaliating before you can make a first strike so disregarding insanity it’s not a likely scenario unless used as total war for an endgame where there is no chance of counter strike.
What people seem to forget in Iraq, Vietnamn, etc. Is that in those scenario’s the U.S had no problem with the conventional armies of the countries, but with the insurgency and guerrilla warfare that followed. The standing army’s of the PLA realistically would not be capable of winning a war. Where China could win a war of attrition is through gorilla warfare such as the Vietnamese did. The Chinese equipment and training are inferior to that of the U.S but as the Vietnamese and Afghani’s have proven that doesn’t always win wars.
US is no doubt a stable nation but Looking at whats happening in Afghanistan and Iraq, can US think that it can win a war against china ? With all their forces including NATO and India’s help, US seems to have realized that they have made another blunder in afghanistan like vietnam. Presently there is an average of 100 deaths of foriegn troops and day by day it is swindling out of control. With all the mess, US wants to handover afghan business to India after July 2011 to which India seems to say “NO”. When an armless poor country can take a so called superpower for a long defeating ride, its unimaginable to even think entering into dragon’s mouth. US is ready declare to victory and runaway from afghan. Its pushing Hamid Karzai to break a deal with the Haqqani wing of Taliban. China has about million suicide squads and can just airlift and drop in inside USA. With all this mess, US has only one way, i.e.Indians ! Oh ! I said indians ? Forget it…Sorry my bros…
I do’nt think US and China will fight each other. They are trade partners. If there were a war between there two nations China will eventually win since China has a history for 5000+ years and has much more wisdom to defeat any invaders. Just look back at Korea war and Viet Nam war, China used old fashioned weapons to win the victory. War is not just about weapon but human’s wisdom.
The Yanks have been fed so much propoganda by their government they think they are invincible.
But this is not the case.
The US army is undertrained and overconfident. Furthermore, you would not be able to make the EU save youre ass this time. If you Yanks belive you are all powerfull, you’ve got a nasty shock coming.
oh yeah, one thing i forgot to mention
the us milliatary relies on rare earth metals for their radars, jamming equipment ect.
and where does most of the rare earth metals come from?
china. if china stops exporting rare earth metal to the us, and us vehical destroyed would be REAL hard to replace
and again
war is not a video game, its not just complete a few operations and declare victory, its tactics and more tactics
y did the us lose at vietnam? they had all the modern equipment. the vietnamese were using ak-47s and they lost
its more about people willing to fight, not hus got best thermal scope or cruise missiles that can travel thousands of miles per hour
and for the love of god iraq is gurrila warfare no major orginized country ever won in a area wich gurrila warfare was used agenst them. look at 1 the american revolution, 2 the soviet invasion of afghanistan 3 the mexican war 4 intependence, the french revolution ext. gurrila warfare is one of the most sucsesful way to wage war.
If some of these post are any indication of what we can look forward to in the future I wonder if the Human race will make it to the end of the Century. Alright no one is listening just push the button and kill us all. When you’re dead it doesn’t matter who has won or who has lost.
Non United states citizens are jealous of our power and might. The USA wuld kick chinas ass. The eu is a joke. Nafta is stronger than the EU. More natural resources, more technology. A conventional war between the USA and china wuld be embarrasing. For china. Just like thier poorly made toys, thier tanks, ships, and hardware are of low quality. The united states would send them back to the stone age in a week. Install a new government and be back to spreading freedom across the planet. Quality beats quantity. The us is not agressivr as china is. China oppresses it’s people and that alone will spell the end of that regime. America rules. America has so many secrets it can bring to bear, it keeps you panzee EU members in check And of someday, I find myself looking down the sights of my assault rifle at some poorly equipped shawdow of a soldier holding a bolt action, u can be rest assured, non us citizens, that technology wind in the end
And yet we have another example of an ignorant American.
Although China oppressed some of the people’s freedom, the Chinese population has no problem with it. China is not like North Korea or Burma, its people know about the outside world and is not unhappy to have a communist government. If their materials were truly of low quality, why most of the US product’s are made in China? If a war were to start, the Chinese would have stopped shipping their Chinese made, American brand product to US. Then an economic problem would occur. I think that war is not always about having the best technological advancement but the number of people. If you have one super powerful rifle to fight hundred thousand people armed with a simple pistol, I bet your rifle will require a lot more ammo and you yourself will require a super bulletproof armour, or else you would die within 5 minutes. And from what the I have read, the US is actually very aggressive in its foreign policy, always jerks into every other nations business such as the UK’s lockerbie bomber case. I think that before moving to get China, the US should finish their mess in Iraq and Afganistan first, also cleaning up your mess in Vietnam and Korea would be even better. And I agree with penglang, China survived foreign invasion and internal instability for more than 5000 years, how can it not survive for 5000 years more, its about experience and wisdom of the people not some paranoid president.
Will all of you “unga bunga, we kick ass” idiots quit representing my country (USA) on the internet… Please?
This is how about 1/5 of the population of this country thinks, not all of us are ingnorant, uneducated trash. As for the posters here who generalize all Americans as stupid, arrogant, war mongering, ignorant wastes… You only exposes yourselves as a member of the group you accuse “Americans” of belonging to. -It is however relieving to see that ignorance is most definitely a global affliction.
80%+ of the population of the US would love NEVER to see a war again. In fact, I believe most of us would just assume to pull completely back from any world happenings… We are tired of being the worlds “scape-goat” for every problem that occurs (US policies I am sure are to blame for the Tsunami in the Pacific and various other natural disasters -sarcasm). We are “damned if we do, damned if we don’t.”
Europeans who criticize the US are the best… Who started global imperialism? You know; the age of conquest that carved up the world into unatural borders and countries, of which most current conflicts and wars are a result of?? Oh yes… It was European countries! (I have no ill will towards Europe, I am of German and Irish ancestry… Just getting my shot in, as you all have taken advantage of doing)
Anyway, war between the US and China will not happen. I actually doubt any war, outside of small operations or skirmishes, will happen anytime soon.
If there is a war between US and China, all China has to do is release its 24 trillion USD bonds. That will make the US dollar fall shaply, causing a global rush to cash on dollar reserves before they become as worthless as the paper they’re printed on. With several times more dollars in the market than the size of the US economy, the price of gold will rocket skywards, leading to a mega inflation. Americans will soon find that the can’t even afford fuel for their cars - a nightmarish prospect for a country where most people consider walking a mile a week as ‘heavy exercise’.
why should a War between The US and China happen? undoubtfully, non of us on the earth would like to War to destroy us, we are living for better life, simply for enjoying our lives! at this point as stated that a War between US and China, i should tell everyone all around the world, if the US still interfere the Internal issue of china, as that the reunion for Taiwan(we definitely well known that US as the backup of Taiwan for weapon equipment and infrastructure support), Chinese are standby and fully-prepared for the War against any country that intervene china’s own things. Taiwan is one of the parts for China, on one in the world can deter it from returning to the embrace of its homeland, including US. chinese are tolerant and patient, but if there is someone exasperates her beyond the peak, a war with the opponent would be absolutely inevitable without doubt. so, go away of your America, there is non of your business for the Taiwan issue.
China is not a super power. NATO can not be trusted. The USA would likely nuke the eastern chinese seabord. We’d drop opium from airplanes.
Japan would assist us.
Then they would rape the chinese women.
True story.
Japan? it is heavily reliant on China, so, why should it?
maybe China is not a super power currently in your eyes, but obviously it is now unagressible definitely. if the US initiate the Nuke first, then China will back to you with the same, then China would be destroyed, America ALSO would destroyed, maybe the whole would would be. just do so, if you want to dead. rape chinese women? that’s the history which will never get of such repetition again. so ridiculous!
@tom
Uck! How ignorant are you?
Nukes won’t solve a thing in war. You bombed them, they would also wipe seattle and LA of your west coast too. And truly, Japan has no army since the WW2, they only have economical power. And I do not think they will try to rely on an “ally” who lives across the Pacific while creating an “enemy” right next to their house, right? Or the US would be using Japan as an operation base and China has to attack Japan too? I don’t think the Japanese would want that. And although China is not a G8 member but at least it is a permanent member in the UN security council, that must mean they’ve got something good to balance with the EU or the US. And, the rape of Nanking, that was years ago when China was still weak from internal political struggling(Mao and Jiang Kai Shek and the Qing dynasty), and I do not think that they will allow such incident to happen again. I think this time it will be “The rape of San Francisco” instead, lol.
China is at a severe disadvantage politically and militarily against the United States. China, being under a Communist regime, has inherent weaknesses that not only weaken the stability of the country, but pose a danger to nations with tense relations with China, namely America and its allies.
The Communist Chinese are plagued by a reduction in the base of support in rural areas. Tensions between the government and the people are complimented by the political disunity between national-level government and provincial government. The provinces domestically operate quasi-independently, and conflicts between the national government and the provinces or between provinces have little in the way of institutions designed to solve the issues. This leaves province-level politics cautious and lax in law enforcement. With a reactive conservative in charge of a rapidly reforming power, policy tends to swing rapidly between extremes, producing a level of uncertainty in domestic politics.
Extremes among policies and local governments are mirrored in the tensions between the heads of the Communist Chinese Party and governmental officials. Tensions between members of the ruling class of China are low, but differences between conservative and liberal members of the government and economy have potential for wreaking havoc with the stability of the nation. Before the unification of China under the Communist party, warlords, Nationalists, and Communists were divided by differences in ideology, which fractured leadership and kept the nation from progressing in anything but extremely small pockets. Today, the differences are mitigated, since national aspirations remain the same. However, potential for such a split among the leaders and important figures poses a possibility as a potential catalyst for the failure of the nation.
The country has lost most of the support from rural China, and many of the farming peasants are able to operate nearly out of the control of the CCP. Several instances of the CCP losing control of the people of China are prominent in recent events. Party labor unions and groups have fallen out of favor with the people, often due to the frustration of a people with no means by which to make their political desires and needs known. Since there are no elections and no democratic idea-choosing, pressure builds up among the people, and they become disenchanted with the CCP and their puppet organizations.
Alternatively, China has many advantages. With a monopoly on brute force by the government, there are very few alternative independent groups for the people to join or rally behind, limiting the effectiveness of the disenchantment of the people with the government in regard to the advantage gleaned by opposing countries. However, with the increasing dissatisfaction the people are feeling, compounded by increasing levels of information that cannot be regulated, such as the Internet, the ability to project force upon the people by the government may eventually become compromised by a resistance by the brute force, i.e. the police and the military.
Despite the slipping grip of the CCP on information regulation and flow, the Party is very adept at responding to high-priority threats quickly and effectively. Learning from the incidents in 1989, it is highly unlikely for the Chinese government to allow any minor issue to bloom into a dangerous situation again. As such, the possibility of a small incident quickly developing to a social movement or outright rebellion are minor in the immediate future, but the possibility for rapid instability in China increases as time passes.
The fact that their country has perhaps modernized faster and more effectively then any single nation in the history of the world, as well as experienced economic boosts on almost unprecedented scales is not missed by the Chinese. GDP is increasing at rates of 7-8% per year, and the government is struggling to mitigate the growth to the bare minimum. The economic strength is echoed in political influence among foreign countries as well as military advancement. With the ability to mobilize the world’s highest population to industry and military goals, the Chinese are very aware of their potential threat to the rest of the world.
However, the Chinese also understand that they are limited in what they can do with this weight. In order to garner political support from the also developed West, being Europe and, very specifically, the United States, the Chinese are forced to appeal somewhat to the political desires of the West. Although the Chinese have actively asserted their political might against the West, the general behavior is to fall into step with the West in order to gain recognition and status as true equals and not just upstart Asians with some power, and are attempting it on their own power. Japan is widely accepted as a close ally with the West, but is seen as such because of U.S. assistance.
The Chinese also know that despite their economic and political strength, they are still limited in their martial strength and ability to project it. The Chinese are several military disadvantage compared the Western world, specifically United States. The first major disadvantage the Chinese have against the United States is the difference in technology and efficient soldiering. Part of this stems from the logistical obstacles that the U.S. military has had to overcome. Throughout the 20th century the major battlefields have been on the continents of Europe and Asia. To participate, the United States has had sends troops over a long logistical distance, which has greatly strained supply lines. In order to overcome this deficiency, the United States has cross-trained and equipped soldiers to perform in a multitude of roles on the battlefield. The mentality, training, and tools of the U.S. soldier magnify his effectiveness in combat beyond the capability of most individual enemies. The general Chinese military, specifically infantry, has neither the technological advantages nor the advanced training most American soldiers receive. They are equipped with lower-grade weaponry and cheaper support capabilities. In regards to aircraft, most Chinese fighters are copies of old Russian Migs or similar Chinese designs, and Chinese bombers show the same pattern. Chinese airspace would be dominated by U.S. aircraft almost immediately.
In regards to their armored capabilities, the Chinese are at an even greater disadvantage. A large percentage of the U.S. Army is devoted to armor and anti-armor combat. One of the aspects of war Army brass looks forward to in earnest, has, in fact, since Korea, is the prospect of tank-to-tank combat. In this kind of fight, U.S. armored units would be at a clear technological advantage, since Chinese armored combat units are cheaper copies of U.S. armored systems with a wide range of shortcomings, just as there would be with the direct copies of old Soviet gear, like their aircraft. The only advantage the Chinese have is their ability to mass produce their weapons, but a swift strike to establish air superiority can counter this advantage.
In terms of naval power, the Chinese are probably at their weakest. The Chinese Navy is made up of fewer support attack vessels and submarines then the U.S. Navy, and the models are almost all outdated. Only a few surface attack vessels in the Chinese arsenal exist with advanced design on par with American vessels. Additionally, the Chinese Navy has no aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are the largest reason that the United States can project its military power across the entire globe. First strike capabilities lie in the immediate aircraft deployment as well as missile strikes from surface attack ships with sea-to-ground weapons or nuclear submarines carrying conventional missiles. China has far fewer such missile systems and no naval aviation power beyond their costal airfields. This limits not only their defensive capabilities, but their offensive/retaliation abilities as well. Due to the logistical issues of having the largest ocean in the world between combatants, the Chinese have the drawback of not having a blue-water Navy. In fact, the only country that has a blue-water Navy is the United States. The Chinese, much like Russia, does have a wide sphere of influence with their Navy as compared with other nations, but are unable to support operations for any length of time beyond their own waters.
China has approximately 250-296 launchers with 793-916 missiles of seven different types. Of these ICBMs, approximately 105 are thought to be armed with nuclear warheads. Comparatively, the United States is in possession of approximately 4,000 active nuclear warheads in ICBMs with about 1,500 inactive, and about 450 land based launchers. Both countries are able to strike from their nuclear submarines, of which, China has approximately 58, with less then 10 more slated for construction, and the U.S. has 66 active nuclear submarines, with four under construction and nine more planned. Theoretically, even with a first strike, China would be hard pressed to succeed in a nuclear attack against the U.S., even ignoring the American anti-missile and ‘Star Wars’ defensive systems. The retaliation brought to bear against China would be enormous. In addition to this, China has pledged a no-first-strike plan, promising that in war, China would not fire the first nuclear weaponry, but have also promised a firm retaliatory response. Given, however, that China’s nuclear arsenal is the smallest of the nuclear countries in the world, mutually assured destruction is not even applicable in the instance of a nuclear war with America. China would be unable to effectively incapacitate the United States to the degree that the United States would to China. As such, the threat of nuclear warfare is minimal.
China maintains a distinct advantage in the electronic arenas against the United States. Cyber warfare, which has been tested against Estonia by Russia and the United States by China, has proved to be a form of combat that the United States has, as of yet, found no definite defense against on a civilian level. While most, if not all, military hardware and electronics are shielded effectively from any or all cyber espionage or corruption, millions of commercial and civilian systems are vulnerable to attack. The nature of cyber warfare is such that the infrastructure of every major country in the world could be efficiently targeted and disrupted. Cyber warfare manifests Itself as espionage and information gathering, where the cyber warrior uses poorly protected systems to read communication or information flowing between two or more sources, equipment disruption, where programs either already maliciously hidden in equipment or programs or hacked into are corrupted or shut down to sabotage the equipment, and denial of service attacks, which can shut down electronic systems such as banking and billing, shipping, or any business or commodity that relies on electronic services. Denial of service attacks also can be used against the infrastructure of a community or country, such as attacking the water, food, fuel, communications, transport, and other systems with a cyber attack. China, due to the large number of people and heavy emphasis on nonmilitary confrontation, has excelled at this style of warfare, especially since it has been used against its own people to restrict what could be accessed. Many of the viruses from recent infections, Chinese or otherwise, have been based from ‘zombie’ computers, or computers that were infected and not attacked so that that computer could serve as a base for the spread of the virus. The use of these ‘zombie’ computers maximize the area targeted in the attack and reduce the ability to trace the source.. A large number of these zombie computers are in China. This gives the Chinese solid ground to base the attack out of. The Chinese advances in telecommunications and cyber technology is one of the few areas where China is on par with the United States, which will be taken advantage of in a crisis.
Economically, China serves the greatest threat of all. Chinese based companies compete heavily with other global companies for technology experts and highly skilled workers. The base of the Chinese manufacturing pyramid is made up of peasants who work hard for little pay, and probably make up the cheapest workforce in the world. This also attracts foreign companies to China to build factories. The result is high levels of foreign manufacturing relying heavily on Chinese workers, Chinese developments, and Chinese factories. This massive influx of money to China is greatest from the United States based companies that manufacture cheap goods, such as toys, objects that consumers put money forth for while receiving little actual value in return. As a result, more and more United States currency and debt belongs to the Chinese. Nearly a quarter of U.S. debt is controlled directly by China, and even more by countries dealing with China as a business partner. As a result, China could easily devalue American currency and immediately halt commerce, crippling the country’s infrastructure and alliances.
China also maintains a large strength in its defensive capability. In the event of a conventional war between China and the United States, the U.S. would necessarily have to engage in a ground war on Chinese soil. The Communist defense, while including a strong conventional defensive effort, would also engage in strong, possibly concerted guerilla retaliation. The large population would lead to an effective background to fade into after an attack. Communist doctrines have historically stressed the importance of the People’s Army and fighting the People’s War. While the liberation of the Chinese people by the United States could possibly garner support, it would, in all probability, be restricted to the countryside, where the Communist party has lost much of its grip. Urban centers would be a hotbed for attacks, and even in the countryside guerrilla combat would be a severe problem. American military technology, however, maintains a constant advantage against the guerrilla soldier, and it is multiplied in the open. Open countryside, even among villages and towns, can be closely monitored by UAV and satellite surveillance and kept under control by air and ground based combat systems while keeping the civilian casualties limited. In the Southern and Eastern portions of China, where the land is generally low and flat countryside, guerrilla resistance will be difficult to maintain against a technologically superior proven anti-guerrilla opponent such as the U.S. In the Northwestern part of China, which is mountainous, guerrillas will find the same advantages that the Taliban in Afghanistan find against the U.S. Rough terrain and difficult footing limit areas where American vehicles can patrol. Movement through the terrain is safer on foot, but more vulnerable to attack. Also, the rough terrain gives many opportunities for concealment of anti-aircraft weapons, which would be necessary to combat the aerial forces fielded by the U.S. military.
Thank you, Paul, or maybe i feel helpless against such power-mouth by US, I am a Chinese, i like my country, i dont want anyone in the world put something harsh upon my motherland.
@Tiffany
If the previous century was for US supremacy, I believe that this century was made for China, India etc. to rise (if not for all the politics thinggy). 
Although I’m Thai but my dad’s ancestor came from China as well. And most of my friends are of Chinese descendants as well.
@Tom …too right mate” NATO cant be trusted”.If you think Europeans would join America in a war on China,then you are out of your tree.If any European goverment even suggested such a scenario they would not be in power for long.As for the average european citizen,many would like nothing better than to see the Chinese teach you manners.
Tom, so many people from different part of the world stand on my side,(China), you, i do not mean of all americans,(some of them are at least gracious in word and the basic manners treating others still being there) yes, ONLY you too offensive to be trusted, you act as if you are the centure of the universe, you are the supremacy, you overconfidently are sure that the Europe and Japan would be the backup and assistance to your america when comes a war that against China. what the convincing evidence proving your statements? China is a time-honored with the 5000+ culture country, China wants nothins but only for that peace and reunion. for that better life to the people. chinese do not want to switch war against any country, US, Why should you be a intervenor in China Taiwan issue? why should you always want that Taiwan would never come to the embrace of her motherland? suppose that you are the lost little guy, you really want to your family, and someone impede you from going home, what should you do? if i were you, i would fight back to the loathesome figure. For china, do not want to resume Taiwan by Warfare, just of that peace settlement since the retrieval through war for Taiwan would be just a blooding battle which chinese do not want for that Taiwanee are also chinese. without America’s interference upon the Taiwan issue, i suppose that Taiwan would come back to China more quickly and smoothly.
Paul, here, i am also your chinese friend, eh?
Tom, be polite when talking with others through web, stop repeating that something like rape or massacre to Chinese, i really really do not want to hear such disgusting things anymore. not only for China, it is for any country.
lets just try to get this straight okay? a war between the US and China would never happen.why?Simple, it would just mean a hell lot of cleaning up to do later and both their economies would be screwed. Both sides know this and they none of them want this. Sure China has a chance of surviving but they are not dumb enough to try it. Its the US im worried about. They have a reputation of acting before they think. But my opinion is that there would not be a war between China and US. However, i do think there might be a war between India and China and as for that war i dont know who would win
I also give my appreciation to Henry, you are always on line with China, with justice.
War is not a pleasant thing, the world needs for peace, the co-existence should be among countries. a war between China and India? yes, probably the economic war i suppose. the chance for others kinds of war would be rare. that’s needless.
To win this horrible war , US must;
1. Choke their resources in Asia Pacific .
2. Lure and make their military stretch to Middle-East even further more, Europe.
3. Arrange new conflict zone at border between PLA with Vietnam & India & Russia.
4. Constant covert ops inside mainland like sabotage with Allied Forces ( NATO ).
5. Humanitarian effort on Northern China ( Mongolia ).
6. Strong propaganda for 100 years War to weaken their financial and motivation.
7. Divide and conquer only use foreign force ; Japan & Taiwan.
8. Ignore South and North Korea conflict at that time.
9. Set up Revolution for new Government.
10. Do not occupied any cities inside mainland, just islands ( Hongkong, Spartly , etc )
I vote for China.
Teach those damn Americans a lesson!!!!!
for the people who say nukes will win the war for usa
4 50megaton nukes would send the earth back to the ice age with radioactive rabbits the size of a cow. radioactive dust will destroy earth as we know it
In a war Americans would certainly achieve early successes but a prolonged war would bring more victories to the Chinese.
Remember Chinese people are of great patience and the stamina that can endure extreme hardship and survive.
For a prime example go back to Vietnam………
I find it odd that many people here envision a scenario where any conventional weapons are used at all.
1. War would mean nuclear war.
2. Nations go all out to win an all out war.
3. It wouldn’t be a war at all. We would never fire a bullet or ever see our enemies. All we’ll see is the nuclear holocaust that might as well have been caused by our own bombs.
China is famed for its cheap production of goods and practically unlimited number of labourers in the factories; thus, investing in China would be cheap and it is a great opportunity for the US. Within a few years, or maybe a little further down the road, Chinese labourers will begin demanding larger salaries and the Communist government will be forced to raise them under pressure from possible strikes, rebellions, and maybe even civil war! The fact is, a Communist government cannot function for too long under a capitalist economy. With that said, the value of stocks would rise dramatically and the US, with billions of dollars committed to investments in China, would gain, on an optimal note, close to $1 trillion and our debt would probably just disappear (perhaps a little unlikely, but nevertheless, the US would make dramatic financial gains). In the long run, the US would win an economic war, as a mix of Communism and capitalism in China is a short route to chaos. As for a military war: it is true that the US does have a huge advantage over the Chinese in terms of technology, but China does hold the title for the largest military, if not one of the largest, in the world, so any invasion by the US alone would be extremely difficult. However, this scenario applies to a one-on-one war between China and the US. If such a war were to occur, military powers such as Britain, France, Germany, the majortiy of European states, Turkey, India, Israel, Australia, Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea, the Phillipines and maybe even Russia, depending on their mood, would side with the US, while countries such as Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela would side with China; thus, a third world war remains a strong possibility. Even so, such a war would ultimately result in US (and her allies) victory. All in all, I believe the US is in a better position for both the short term and the long term.
I think we have a little misconception here. China is an communist government and the Chinese people have been under authoritarian rule for several thousand years, the Cinese Emperor and all :), and go ask the Chinese whether they are happy with their communist government. Most of them will tell you that they have no problem with their government or their policies, people will ONLY rise up IF they are unhappy about various aspects of their life and since the Chinese are happy, why revolt? Capitalism WILL be accepted by the Chinese government but capitalism will not change the chinese government.
Think about it, US is pressuring Burma, North Korea, Cuba, etc. to be a democratic nation with free and fair elections, but why did not US mess with Chinese policies nor economicly sanctioned them? Burmese economy was devastated by the US sanctions, why won’t you try it to the Chinese?
In an economic war, China has over 1 BILLION people, even with heavy sanctions, the Chinese economy can propel itself further since they can just consume what they produce. But the Chinese could sell all their US government bonds and reduce the value of the dollar to nothing. And most of the US company factories are in China, how could you even suggest the US economy will gain from an economic war with the private companies losing most of their production bases?
I think you still lack some knowledge on world’s politic, Vietnam is a Chinese ally, Vietnam is also a communist nation. And don’t think that other countries beside US, India, Russia or the EU will be a worthy opponent to the Chinese, they would conquer Taiwan within the matter of days. And I do not think that Russia will join with US since they are still fighting over the US missiles bases in Eastern Europe. Why do you think they have China and Russia as the pernament member in UN security council for?
US lost both the Korean and the Vietnam war because China intervened, do you even think that anyone stupid enough to mess with China would survive the war?
Juan A thinks the world loves America and would commit suicide to save it.Hmmm methinks probably not.And Paul is correct US lost both Korean and Vietnam war because of China.The reason there was no invasion of North Vietnam is because of fear that it would have provoked Chinese intervention.And as for Americas “allies” in the region well only this week the Philippine goverment told the US to keep its nose out of the dispute over islands in the south China sea saying it was a matter for ASEAN and China to resolve.
the mother planet is dying we should not think about war ,because every single war is taking mankind to its doom, the time has come for all nations need to untie so mankind can save his future other wise if things go this way then end is near for us
Americans don’t be silly, if every chinese killed a foreigner, the people on earth has evaporated to half the battle against. for both sides. the united states is so stubborn?
The U.S. Would lose catastrophically because there would be no hope for defeating them in ground combat, air power cannot be achieved due to sams and other air defense systems and our navies couldnt go anywhere near the chinese mainland due to their new carrier killing missles.
US even could NOT win a war with thumbnail country, how can it win a war against China? how naive you are! see that ridiculous and unstable comments made by Dezzoram. it seems as if that he and US were the Center of the universe which proved be invincible to the world, always looking down to any country overconfidently in the world.
see his ridiculous and nonsensical comments below:
“Chinese have the drawback of not having a blue-water Navy. In fact, the only country that has a blue-water Navy is the United States. The Chinese, much like Russia, does have a wide sphere of influence with their Navy as compared with other nations, but are unable to support operations for any length of time beyond their own waters.”
to be noted that he remark heavily, ‘In fact, the only country that has a blue-water Navy is the United States. ‘
add more from that self-righteous guy, ‘the Chinese Navy has no aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are the largest reason that the United States can project its military power across the entire globe. ‘
probably made such a comment in which could be able to pacify his irritation and indignation in a non-Win war against China. China has no advanced technology in military, in war weapon and equipment per your “justifiable” statement, then China should be the weakest in your eyes, then why shouldn’t you initiate a war against China? conquering the whole world seems a easy thing according to your connotation remark, then win China should be as easy as winking. then why shouldn’t you? the fact is, US can neither conquer the world, nor China.
The war is theoretically possible Only! If the war conflict happens between China and USA, it will be regional and small scale war!
Then what’s the regional and small scale war?
Oh and by the way, we’re not fighting a ‘thumbnail country,” but we’re fighting the Taliban, terrorist group that uses guerilla tactics world-wide. Ever heard of them? But if you want proof of how well the US does against a “thumbnail country,” go to google (if you still have it) and look up desert storm and look at battle statistics and when you do, I challenge you to tell me that the US has no military capability against a “thumbnail country.”
It should be a difficult time during the war. conquering a country, the first thing which needs to do is that conquering the mentality of its people. for China, no one would be able to conquer chinese people’s mentality. no one. they think bigger, move faster, execute better! i am proud of being a chinese.
@Juan A
You think that the world loves America and would commit suicide to save it.
I find that hard to believe and the truth is most of the world can’t stand America.
I wonder whether Central or South American or African or Middle Eastern or Indian sub-content countries or Turkey or Greece or France will commit suicide to save America.
I don’t think so……..
first of all, I don’t think anyone would win. China do have the advantage if USA tries to invade China. Recently, China just developed what’s called a D-21 missile or something like that, which is a missile that can splits into several other war heads when it comes close to the USA aircraft carriers. It can penetrates into carrier’s armor and explode a second time. USA wouldn’t last long before they call a retreat. I don’t think anyone wants to fight a war. Its all the USA politics trying to interfere and be the boss of the world. China is just trying to develop into a first world country so that they won’t be looked down again. Hopefully peace, if not, USA better pay the consequences because of the conflict USA started.
After reading many of the comments, I would agree with Dezzoran. BTW, Tiffany and Paul, you got your Chinese pride in a wad…so get over! Winning a war against China is easy, but to occupy it is unthinkable. Chinese people are full of pride, as many can see through Tiffany and Paul, so it would be useless to attack China. The best solution is to let China collapse on its own…meaning that if the U.S. was to really mess up China, it needs to pull all its manufactures out of China. Eventually, this will lead to social unrest in China and let its government deals with the headache. As far as the economic challenge that China posses over the U.S. debt…well, that will be a hard issue. First of all, if all the products that are made in China are given rise to the Chinese economic with wealth than those products should also contribute the wealth to the U.S., especially to its rich elites. Lets say 2/10 of profits will go to China pocket, were is the rest of the money? So 8/10 of the profits will go to the U.S. rich elites. I’m pretty sure that those monies haven’t contribute to the national debt as they are hidding somewhere the general public doesn’t have access to it. Those monies can latter contribute to any future conflicts, because those profits are controlled by those elites that control the U.S., as well as the Western bloc. As if any governments in the world would be honest to tell their people where are the savings, especially those that have been holding on to power for the past decades during the post WWII and cold war. What I do believe is that in order for people to sacrifice their life to go to war at the expense of their sovereign policy, the economic must be fragmented and the rise of unemployment would force a portion of people to register in the armed forces. War is fought for an economical reason, so fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are all for a cause, especially for the future safety nest of a sovereign existence. Hence, you see a coalition forces (UK, Italy, Spain, Germany and ect…) collaborating in the current wars. If a war with China is possible, then the U.S. will not be alone in doing the fighting. But the biggest question is what do you profit from having a war with China? If that has been determined as an answer then 10 China won’t hold the candle to light up its day. As a reminder, the Opium wars in China were basically pure economic issue…therefore, eight countries got involved. Allegiances in doing business are very important in today’s world order. And if China pissed off the rich countries, I wouldn’t be suprised another Opium war-like will happen again in China soil.
I am from China. I just wanna Taiwan’s reunification and no territorial disputes with other country.
We fall behind many countries and surely contains USA which is the most developed country in the world. But if any country no matter who she is wanna occupy and govern us, i will be the first to fight against even i will lose my life.
No war no aggression, we just wanna be friends, the whole world like a family and developed together. Let’s hand together fight saucerman.
my poor english
@Tim
I could get over my Chinese Pride, since I am of Persian descendants, and do not have anything such as a CHINESE PRIDE. I am just simply stating my speculations here. And even though Chinese have their pride, their must be a reason; government propaganda? Not really a nice answer.
Sure you could let China collaspe on its own like the current crises the US is facing, but the problem is when? China was not like the US where you keep on banging other nations all the time, depleting your resources. Instead the Chinese has been keeping it all for themselves. The Thai government always boast that Thailand is the world’s no.1 EXPORTER of rice, while actually China is able to produce far more than Thailand could ever do, but Chinese did not export them, instead they consume the rice themselves. And I think you should know more how economy relates to politics. Do you think that the US/EU(in some scenarios) companies would want to leave BILLIONS of dollars in China for some stupid war? Or Mr. President of the US will force them? Do you really call it democracy and capitalism?
Even the western companies really withdraw, the factories would still be there, the labour is still there, the skills are still there, the Chinese could continue the production line under a Chinese brand instead of Nike/Adidas/Apple/Lee/Nokia and every other company you could possibly think of. Who would buy all the products? The 1.2 BILLION Chinese that is, they can produce and consume the products themselves. While there would be a production shortages in US/EU(in some cases), since relocation of production bases is not an easy/cheap task. Where would you move to? Florida? No where in the world has SKILLED labours as cheap as China, not even India. There would be a steep rise in prices of consumer products and utilities alike. Who will be affected? You should know by now.
If you are implying that wars were fought for economic reasons, then I think I would choose to side with China. How could I rely on an “ally” that situated on the other side of the Pacific and fighting an “enemy” right next door? If I were the EU, I would stay neutral to protect my assets in China and US.
Another Opium war? How hilarious! There are Chinatowns in every corner of the Earth, Chinese could cause riots/drug trafficking/terrorist act anywhere! China today is different from the Qing’s Imperial China. USA dared attack Afganistan and Iraq because the US government was sure that they could not fight back, look at the fact, the war ended with the US defeat. Saddam was hanged, can you still stop the insurgencies? Proclaim victory, Bush’s plan failed in securing both nations for the US. Brainwash your citizens, you are bringing your nation closer to the end.
what i wish to say is that, power and money can corrupt any nations policies. it is same thing which happened in europe in case of world war 1 and 2. they had looted a lot of money from asia and africa. after that they could not tolerate each other so the result was the world war. from history we can see that the loss of one nation is the gain for the other and any nation can not tolerate a powerful nation at its door step(its a simple nature for any nation be it european, U.S., or any asian nation). if china grows powerful who knows that it also start bullying all its neighbours (and i am pretty sure that its neighbours don’t trust it much, myself being from India). if U.S. is defeated and China is allowed to get stabilized then China might become a big headache for all of its neighbours India, Japan, Taiwan and Russia in further coming years. If China is too concerned about integrity of its territory then so are others. And its not the case that every third claim that China makes over the territories belonging to others is always true. So, finally the chances are that if in case America attacks China then it may get the support from various GOOD neighbours of china.
The other thing about the war of U.S. and afghanistan
these were not the attacks like those of mongols or huns (that is killing everybody falling in their way). they had to firstly SEARCH the millitants among the civilians, which was a tougher task then just going and killing everybody falling in the way like mongols or huns( had it been like that America would have won easily).
now about the iraq war:
i think it was waged unnecessarily and was a huge disappointment and should never have happened in the first place.
thirdly i have never heard(although my history is not so strong) about a war in India and China in their really LONG LONG history. But who knows, few wrong misunderstandings, few idiot politicians from both sides and both these oldest and friendly civilizations may simply get erased from the map of the world.
(Even I don’t like Wars and really love both china and india from my heart)
peace
(sorry about spellings and my really weak english )
in a way last 50 years between India and China are really worrying. Probably they had no genuine wars before that of 1962 , may be due to a mutual understanding or due to presence of great Himalayan mountain belt between them which both sides never dared to cross and thus wage a war. But now in modern time that ancient barrier can not stop a war any more. And a huge bloodshed is going to occur not because of hate of people on both sides, because they don’t even know much about each other. But it is going to happen because of two governments genuinely hating each other. As such maximum times in a war the will of a government does not necessarily represents the will of people. Otherwise even U.S. would never have attacked Iraq or the Hiroshima would never have happened. (Although Taliban really got something which it actually deserved and in that case U.S. will always be right)
About the aircraft carriers, China could have build it in 1950s and put it in use around 1960s 70s. But they did not do so because they thought was unnecessary at the time. They just started building it few years ago because of USA stubborn behavior. China have always wanted peace. Chinese government specifically said that they will only attack if they are being attacked. Anyway, my point is that its all USA who started the conflict with Taiwan etc. If a war do happen, then China should teach USA a lesson about bossiness and etc. I mean I just disapprove how USA treats other countries.
Of course, US does not irritate China much but its Interference in Taiwan’s reunification, and China wants nothing but peace and coexistence, mutual-development, and reciprocally internatinal cooperation! That’s all. Taiwan is one of the most beautiful and attractive islands in the world which belongs to China even
hundreds of thousands years ago, such a pearl land should never be a cession. China will fight back to those who want to separate the “family”! including US.
I haven’t much physical strengthy to join the War against US if It were happen, however, i have fullly spiritual and mental strengthy in encouraging my boyfriend and my male guys to enlist when China needs more human being forces at a war. actually, it is not necessary to mention the encouragement since over 90 percent male in China would join the war out of their own initiative beyond doubt.
and here i have to say upon what Tim stated:’Winning a war against China is easy!’ then i want to ask you about such a question first, did US win Iraq easily? or maybe we should ask for this “did US virtually WIN the war against Iraq?” if the answer is NO, come on, go away in what you just told dogmatically. that’s only about your self-righteousness. it does mean nothing. you should always be known and admitted that China is far more powerful than Iraq.
@tiffany. Absolutely correct. U.S.A. did not win any of the wars. They could not even get rid of Taliban and China by the way is also a lot powerful and technologically advanced. So, i think its more evenly matched.
This thread is hilarious.
You’ve got Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc. WISHING/HOPING/PRAYING that the US and China go to war with each other! How sad, how truly, truly sad!
Sorry to burst the bubble of our non-American friends, but a war between the US (the world’s only superpower) and China (the world’s next superpower) is not going to happen no matter how hard you wish for it.
I’m starting to seriously believe that the Europeans would like nothing more than a war between us two so the EU could come out of it top dog.
Maybe instead of you non-Americans wishing death and destruction on a large portion of this planet, you all could do something a bit more productive, like find a way to save the Rain Forest or something.
China nearly has a bluewater navy, and the US is not the only bluewater naval force in the world either, What about the UK or France.
There is no way for America to win a war againts China without the use of nuclear weapons. The only real way a war could end is in a draw or China overtaking the United States. Yes America Has an outstanding military. however The amount of human resources it would take to wage a war on Chinese territory would be too big. the supply chain from The USA would have to be huge and un interupted. The amount of materials such as copper steal rubber and oil would be too much to be able to wage a modern mechanized war. Plus the current industrial potential of CHina is much greater then that of the united states. unles we are talkign nato vs china there would be no victory
It doesn’t matter who wins the war. Casualties will be high, countries will take sides, cities will be in ruins, Mother Earth will be in chaos. Nothing good will come out of it. We will kill each other for a bunch of politicians who believe in something that will only bring a dark outcome? Stop arguing about who will win, yes it’s interesting to debate about, but war is never a good thing. Not unless it is absolutely necessary (i.e. Hitler).
Somebody posted that…seem to be up to date with what is happening with Japan
the us milliatary relies on rare earth metals for their radars, jamming equipment ect.
and where does most of the rare earth metals come from?
china. if china stops exporting rare earth metal to the us, and us vehical destroyed would be REAL hard to replace
Well China and US will be for sure the 2 Superpower of the XXI century.
Will there be a big scale war, no idea….
But i am sure the confrontation as already started, it’s happening now …
Alright, I will concede the fact that a land war with China would be detrimental and unsuccessful but you’re a fool if you think that would ever happen. It’s not plausible, just like it’s not plausible that anyone would ever try to invade the United States. It’s too large to hold.
This hypothetical war would have to be limited, total war would be fruitless. War in general would be ridiculous considering both countries have a strong economic relationship. Anyway, if this war was conventional and nuclear weapons weren’t in the realm of possibility it would be difficult to say that China would have success.
I understand they have a beasty surface to air technology and I guess they have this sweet underwater missile that could take out carriers but the wild card would be classified military tech. I don’t want to sound like a pompous American but you’re kidding yourself if you doubt that the U.S military does not have technology that we are not aware of and the technology we know of is mind blowing.
If the war went nuclear, all it would take to crumble society is one nuke to a major population region. If you thought 9/11 was bad than this would be exponentionally worse. I would compare 9/11 to a tornado hitting a random mid-west town to a nuclear bomb detonating in a mid sized U.S city. It would be a lose-lose situation.
I apologize for any grammar or spelling mistakes, I’ve been drinking for a while and I’m getting ready to go out, the only reason I found this topic was a random debate amongst friends.
The U.S. wouldn’t be stupid enough to invade China. Just like we weren’t stupid enough to invade Japan in 1945. The war would most likely be in the Pacific. The U.S. has the most powerful Navy in the world (more powerful than the next 13 navies combined. fact) and would have the support of India (because India and China are pretty much in a new cold war). The U.S. has more allies that would help them (including all of NATO if a war were to break). The U.S. controls 11 of the 15 supercarriers in the world and China doesn’t have many close allies. The U.S. has more close allies in the south pacific including the philippines, japan, and south korea. The first thing that the U.S. would do is to cut off many imports from China. Which would hurt China. Then the U.S. would use stealth bombers (like the B-2) to hit major chinese targets. UK and France would be forced to take the american side knowing that the UK and France would want to preserve it’s trade with the U.S. Europe would never take the side of china because the U.S. has too much economic and military influence in Europe (there are many american bases in germany, italy, poland, spain, and the UK). China has no such military influence in Europe. Yes, the chinese have more people, but not as many allies and not enough vessels to hold everybody if this war were to take to the sea (which it will most likely).
I have worked in China as well as the US. The truth is as an american citizen living in China I would say that china is not all that interested in taking over the world militarily. But if america sits on its back side and is more interested in things that have no real bearing to the rest of the world or these asian nations we will decline , The liberal agenda such as obama has, gay parties at the white house, Decline of the Judeo, Christian nation America stood for , Same sex marriage, Abortion on demand , Hitler type of control over people, then America will decline because of our immorality as a nation. Just look at what happened to Roman empire. China and most of the Asian community are focused on hard work and education. They will work hard to achieve goals and for much less money . Many American are spoiled and have fumbled the ball. In china the social structure is more conservative and focus is on practical living, saving money, less debt , family values and not how weird I can be or how many moral issues can I break. So in that sense perhaps the west is worse overall. Also in US people want big bucks for the same jobs people do in China for a fraction. So US needs a strategy to compete , In the past it was our technology . I realize China Perhaps can out produce the U.S. and do it cheaper which does not mean they are evil empire it just means they will work for less and require much less than the western nations. And as american citizen who has lived and been in China for some time I believe the way China is going is better and better in the last 34 years after Mao. For the most part the chinese people are hard working and generally want what most people want , peace, happiness good food , homes , family and share the same interests as americans. They buy american cars, love our coffee and fast food restaurants , love everything from the west generally. Sure you have some narrow minded Chinese who are brain washed who think that the chinese way of living is the only way of life, who think there culture is the only one and are very clanish, hiding away behind doors with all there realatives pilled on top of each other is somewhat true. But why focus on those people who are being replaced by a new chinese culture new thinkers, The old hard liners who are often quite paranoid are not so highly thought of anymore . China wants to break away from the Box of the past.
More open to new ideas , this will happen in the next 20 years or so I believe. Some people think things will get tight again in China, I doubt it . I think perhaps even human rights issues will improve in China over the next 5 years , more freedom etc. The Chinese leadership is trying to build up the country ,infrastructure etc . its likely not to interested in going to war with the US and have all this infrastructure destroyed by a few nuclear missles over night from US Submarines or land based sites. The history of China is often not understood very well by americans including myself. England , US, Japan, to name a few countries all have attacked China in the last century at one time or another. Generally China has not been as aggressive to foreign nations as America. As far as strength to fight etc , the US has 25 % of the Chinese population but as far as technology and actual skill of fighting America is more advanced in equipment and experience in fighting, China is behind. The people in China happen to think more highly of americans than you might think. Don’t listen to all the propaganda of how these nations will never get along, True America needs to focus on economic strength and future technology forget about trying to out man China with military men its impossible. But China is not so stupid that they would go to war with the US or are even consider it unless provoked. They are trying to become more stable as a nation , China has a long way to go to be world leader in all areas. Many areas of china need great change. Health Card is poor, Retirement situations is poor, Helping those who are sick without money is poor. The Protection and certification of environment and food that is consumed or eaten is poor. Just to name a few things. China still has huge problems . China will be a friend to the US, they just don’t want to feel pushed around by people in the US who think every nation outside of the US who builds up wants to go to war with them. We need to have very straight negotiations with China , Usually Chinese people know how to cut a dime in two and are better than we are in saving and spending, The American trades people, need to remain firm , we have a tendency to give in to demands and trust asian nations with regard to financial import ,export etc and we appear to Asians that we are stupid , and naive, because we have poor plans . So if US feels a threat from China that is ok , but we should meet the threat in a few ways , one way is we build up the US infrastructure , new plants, New technologies, New inventions etc with forward thinking plans and start putting most of the government spending in the US, Forget about trying to saving every other country in the world. We should help other countries but use caution and go slowly. we can not save every nations on the earth from problems when we have so many ourself. Finally If an all out war between US and China happens neither country will win. God help us all.
This is just one more reason why we need Tony Stark and Stark Industries to turn over the Iron Man Suit !!!! Lives are at stake here people !!
@Tiffany. “China wants nothing but peace and coexistence, mutual-development, and reciprocally internatinal cooperation!”
I have nothing against China, but this is hard to believe. For the reasons below.
1) Probably the most amazing figure of peace in the world is the Dalai Lama. He has done nothing to china and only wants peace. In china, there is a warrant for his arrest for “trying to overthrow the chinese government”. This is of course very untrue. The Dalai lama did nothing against china, and will do nothing against China. He even said that he wants Tibet and China to be one.
2) Liu Xiaobo is one of the most peaceful men alive. He fought for democracy in China. He only wanted peace in China. He was given the nobel prize, rightfully so. The chinese have him locked up for 11 years for, again, trying to “overthrow the chinese government.” He probably doesn’t know that he won the Nobel peace prize. The Chinese even went far enough to threaten Norway to “take back the award or there will be a strain on the Norway-China relationship.”
3) China’s policy with Tibet is nothing of peace. Many activists have died trying to push for peace in Tibet. They’ve only spoken. But there still have been mass murders by chinese police in Tibet. Which is anything but peaceful.
4) There was protesting on June 4, 1989 at Tiananmen square, Beijing. The chinese government sent tanks, and soldiers to “stop the protesting”. Over 1000 people died that day, and many more were wounded during china’s attack on it’s own people.
@ Tiffany. “Taiwans unification”
Not even Taiwan wants unification with china. That’s why the taiwanese government calls itself the “Republic of China” instead of the “Peoples republic”. The U.S. will only help Taiwan if it fully breaks from china by creating there own army just like the U.S. did with South Korea. With the U.S. help, South Korea became one of the most prosperous nations on earth.
@ Tiffany. “in encouraging my boyfriend ”
After all of this, I find it hard to believe that you have a boyfriend.
Again, I like China. Just not some of it’s policies.
I’m also not saying that the U.S. is the most peaceful either.
Thanks for reading guys!
Seriously what a bunch of bullshit. Between canadia and mexico. They shoul worship America. If your countries were worth anything maybe we would. America is the centuries rome. Although this a young country we are evolving. Britain. Does what it told. Please don’t forget your a country through our protection you would of been topped long ago. China vs America..im a buisnessman. I see china losing over a long run. Economically. Americas homeland people would will fight. We all own guns. China would fall to air focrce and navy. There are some lazy americans but threaten to take from us anything an watch what happens. We would nt wasteour lives tofight a million tiny men. We have nuke defense tech. Get real. Japan. Is an american island wemight win with what’s. On that island alone. I my grammar is off this is meant. To be informal
Stupid Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!you though you can win china in a war. the base of your superpower is lost slowly.you want to destory china?you will lost anthing. chineses like the peace, if some one would like to invade us. the chinese land will become your Tomb….
China is one of country who will be most poweful in future. Some crazy people say Amercian is most powerful countries in the world…. That is bull shit. I thinks eveyone know about Vitianse war. Even USA use many powerful weapon and also brings other countries army they lost.
USA didn’t beat Vitianse becuase asian do not care about there body they care about their souls so they not scary of dead. In Vitianse war they had bad weapons but they won… China has Nuclear weapon, better weapon then Vitianse and have many strong army too.
Some people say USA can just stop give good to China. W.T.F China has many nature source also many countries hate Amercia.. So who do you thinks if USA attaks China. North Korea, Russia and many Middle east countries going to support China because they hate USA.
Actually USA can’t do anything we out other country.
Also even USA bloke the Asain sea do you guys thinkw Russia, China, North and South Korea, Japan and other asian countries will just stand there for waiting to die? Asia can easiler beat USA. Japan and North Korea is so good at developing weapons. WHy? North korea only focusing in make weapon and Japan is good at making. Russia and China will use Nuclear weapons and blow up the USA. Russia has most nuclear weapons in the world. Just you know China, South korea, Russia and Japan are members of UN and Russia and China is main members of UN. Even USA is also main member of USA two agaisnt one… Asia will kick your ass.
Many people in China, Many weapon is Russia, has best technolgoy of making robets and melt stuff, All people in North Korean is army execpt childrean (Women are also part of army).
We can just attack USA and destory USA from Earth.
Plus in USA many people is come from asia so who do you thinks they will support? there home countries or USA?
If war between USA and China, there will be 100% of world war 3 will start. If war will start on issue the north Korea or on Taiwan. Then USA allies like UK, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Brazil or even Russia and India may join war against China. County like Vietnam, Small County of Asia also join them because they dont have good relation with China because China try to occupied their territory. On China side there will be Pakistan, Iran, North Korea or Other Muslim County. While China dont have any allies near USA So many Country on the USA side so USA has more possibility of Wining war.
If we left out nuclear weapons in this argument than this is what i think would happen. No side wins, i say this becuase the USA although superior technology will struggle to invade chinese territory. Due to the fact it will confront a army of 2.5 million which is tiny but becuase china can draft 600 million fit men into service, which overwhelms the ENTIRE !! american, british, french total populations put together !! So if the USA does get on chinese turf they will ultimetly lose. Chinia has technology that is capable of taking on the US so attack by air will be nearly impossible without the control of the ground although its usually the other way round in modern warfare.
Chinia will have trouble invading US territory due to its smaller navy, thus without a matching navy chinia couldnt even get onto US terf anyway. If chinia managed to destroy the US navy which doesnt look possible but just say they did, then what chance has the US got against the might of the peoples liberation army.
I have not included allies of either countries but thats up to you lot to decide. To be honest i think north korea will aid china and europe “could” help the USA.
But with little research i have come up with this conclusion that it will end (USA alone vs Chinia alone) in a stalemate.
Im not saying that is what will happen if they did go to war but its just what i think would happen.
Thank-you have a nice day i will watch around.
Iraq’s war machine: 18,000,000,000 USD
China’s war machine:5,000,000,000,000 USD
Cost Of Iraq War: 740,000,000,000 USD
america will be bankrupt long before they set foot in beijing
This “A war with China would also result in severe economic repercussions for the US due to a major chunk of its economic activities on China and if such a war prolonged, it would throw the American economy into chaos. China’s economy would also be hurt, but the Chinese will be able to carry on much better than Americans, owing to their history of surviving through severly devastating wars in the near past.”
Is wrong. Both countries would be hurt, but china would lose europe and the united states as trade partners and the majority of the worlds economies.
Chinas never had a war with the type of industries and wealth it now poseses. Who knows how they will react once they are destroyed.
Both countries would be devasted, and i doubt the US would even try to invade china.
Would china invade the US? Would you ? I wouldnt,china or the us. Too large, too many people. Too many guns
Why the assumption europe will stay neutral in this situation and still trade with china?
I seriously doubt europe would even trade with china if it was involved with a war with the united states.
I dont think china could survive losing Europe and the united states trade.
China didn’t become an economic power on its own in 2 decades by itself.
Again, the us will never invade china, even if we went to war.
These 2 countries are way too intertwined to go to war.
As for the 2 wars in the middle east?
The American people dont have their hearts in it,we dont want to be there and dont understand why we are still there wasting billions.
If the U.S. would have a chance of winning a war against China (not even talking about invading, I don’t think that could be done realistically) it would have to be in the near future. China is updating a vast amount of their military, including air force (in fact I remember reading that China is developing a fighter jet that is supposedly superior to our F-22 and upcoming F-35). The fact is they have a huge ground force would mean in most theoretical invasion would mean vast losses for the U.S. A sophisticated anti-aircraft and missile defense system would render most of our air force useless. The only possible way in my mind for the U.S. to legitimately win a war against China would involve the support of NATO and other allies, maybe even the UN although that would be doubtful. A war would not go over for either country.
Excuse my grammar and spelling as I am typing from an iPhone. I am a police officer veteran marine and now guard member and a proud American.
I think it’s safe to say that right now is not the time for america to fight a war with anybody. But with that said I think if provoked or attacked everyone knows we would strike back. We are not going to attack china without action by them first. Right now tensions are rising between south and north Korea. It will be clearer in the coming days just where china stands when asked to support the international world in chastising n.korea in it’s recent and continual attacks of s. Korea.
Nonetheless, this marines opinion is that it’s that cocky and conceded attitude that continues to make this nation a force to be reckoned with. Marines like Chesty Puller, Dan daly, and present day marines are so great because they are told they are and they believe it! The mental desire to win and defeat your enemy is 90 precent of the ball game. If you think you’ll lose you probably will. Sure you van be to cocky…but I’d rather live in a country that thinks it’s the greatest then a country that sits with it’s tail between it’s legs.
A war with china would not be an easy win and I would much rather not fight that battle. But if it happened I would go in a heart beat!
I’m a Chinese and I hope that the world shall co operate in peace. If America really is a so called democratic and non-aggressive nation, then I think that it should also think this way. I say that we should care for our own planet and get ready for when those stupid Predator aliens to come so we can kick their ass. Long live Earth!!!
P.S. Also, if any of u pro-americans think that china fights with swords and spears, you are totally outdated yourself. China isnt the most technology advanced country, but so what? Ever wacthed Avatar? The Navi won, even though they are fighting humans who have guns and mechs, and the Navi with arrows and spears. So that teaches a lesson. And Obama, i no that u are smart enough not to wage war with china.
Wow guys, Its really serious on this topic dating back all the way to 2007, I am an American and i have read alot of these comments, First of all if a war did happen, No one would win this war a lot of suffering in pain and death will be in the air, China is massive and there are becoming more powerful day in and day out there are number one and producing babies like crazy over there, I believe in 10 years to 12 years they will be the superpower as long as the United States have buget downfalls and politicans who continue to not agree on anything together (Dems - reps) But America has a Navy the best in the world and i guarantee the Navy Fleets will be in route wants it happens from the East coast of Virginia to the west coast of San Diego their fleets will have reach China in 4 to 5 days if they are steaming 23 knots all the way, with a refuel ship in their battlegroup, I believe the Air Force is better trained then China’s Air Force and Navy but their Army i believe is well equip. Invading someone’s country poses a real challenge with the terrain there it would be extremely hard to do this and believe me it wont be a 5 day war more like years if its that serious. Plus its gone be a World War 3. USA declares war on China, then North Korea will help their ally China which brings Japan and South Korea and the UK into this war and Iran will finally get in the action to join in to help China and Israel will join in to back up the USA which will start chaos with the Muslims countries to start war on Israel such as the Palestinians and Syria, and believe me Russia will be just watching waited on their opportunity to get in on the action once stuff dies down. just a total cluster f***, So im saying nobody wins i guess a draw would be into play and alot of rebuilding for years to come. and for the people who was commenting on the Afghan war and Iraq war remember US Troops was never fighting military troops in Afghan they are fighting extremist who hide in caves not military troops with tanks, so yeah thats hard to combat right there and the Iraq war alot of us knows the Iraqi troops fought braverly until they were disorganized and broke ranks and try to disguise themselves as civilians to catch the US Troops offguard when they walk pass them so thats not honor i know the Chinese military wont do that all so it will be a real test for both military’s troops versus troops.
I’m american but I live in indonesia,during the korean war,the americans won.But on the vietnam war,china won.So what do u guys expect?What would u guys want?War or Peace?So let’s not try to create a war between us and china.
Willard, Dalai Lama’s perdition is inevitable. and Dalai Lama, it not holds the purpose of that advocation and aspiration for peace, but destroying the country, and claim for independence without chinese government’s control, and want the Tibet to be the self-governed single country out of China. that’all the Dalai Lama’s wish and expections. For Tibet, it is one of the China’s provinces, should never be separate, we support only one China, a unique China in the world, incluing Taiwan, exactly the same case.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned anything about cyber warfare. If it were to ever come to a head between the US and China the former would likely cripple massive amounts of the latters infrastructure before a “conventional” war even broke out. Once it was made obvious that an armed confrontation between these two Nations was going to happen the Chinese would launch a major cyber offensive against the US, sure the US warmachines critical infrastructure would likely remain intact but the pandemonium this would create would begin to suck the US resources from any type of warring effort thus effectively destabilizing the US to the point of making conventional warfare a pretty tense situation. Any arrogant American that believes anything other than the reality of a Sino American war ending poorly for both countries is a complete idiot. The war would be quick and devastating to everyone involved not to mention the catastrophe that a nuclear option would entail. A war between these powers would ultimately destabilize the entire planet and throw technology and innovation back decades. Any of you Europeans and Aussies don’t think you are getting out of it you would be right there on the front lines with the American war effort. If there was ever to be a war between these countries I hope that it is after my lineage is has run dry.
actually, if they were fighting on sea, it would likely be equal, Chinese airforce ain’t as good as the usa yet, in about a decade they will. but they have missiles that will destroy usa aircraft carriers in matter of seconds. But they are both afraid of what the out come might be. but also its likely that China has advantage over usa.
Hey guys, I wanna peace, China and US co operate and the world would be awesome. Besides, we’re all human, it doesn’t make sense to kill each other. During the caveman ages, we formed tribes in order to help each other in times of need and we all co operated in peace. They may not be smart, but they’re smart enough to self-preserve. As the same species, we should make our race the supreme one and and we can even colonize planets. But we need to work together for this to happen. So why don’t we unite as one and help each other?
Yes, i agree with you all whom said that no wish for war between US and China. i hate war and i definitely like to lead an enjoyable and charming life rather than a terrible nightmare(War).
A war between America and China today I am pretty certain America would clinch it but allow China another 15/20 years then China will give the big buly a good fight, who does nothing but threaten, harass, intimidate and often beat the shit out of smaller weaker countries then and ask questions later, sorry unless its Vietnam.
Please count how many countries America has bombed or invaded since Second World War?
How can we forget the South China Sea aircraft incident and the American President apologised and rightly so!!!
May I ask why is America so blatantly violating international laws by stationing large navel ships just eight miles away from many country mainland’s and calling it international waters and constantly spying on other countries.
I wonder how American would react if China or another country large ship was station eight miles from New York, I am sure Americans will be cool about it. Will they hell!!
Readers please remember the famous Confucius quote “What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others”.
Those Americans who had only been a day trip to Mexico like your former President George Bush had, your are completely ignorant how much rest of the world has hatred towards you and it has considerably increased since your former President George Bush and oh well he blamed it on God infect every ordinary man, woman and children have deep hatred towards America in Middle East, Africa, Asian (apart from Israel), South and Central America and most of Europe.
I agree, with you david, you are absolutely right.
A war between USA and China, the winner is RUSSIA!
Nobody in their right mind would want to have war agaisnt the most powerful nation in the world. Only the more powerful nations want to have war with the less powerful. Like Iraq took on Kuwait, US vs Iraq. China would dare for sure.
Unlike pre nuke era it is suicidal to have war against a nuke state capable of delivery the nuke to its homeland, even for the most powerful. Doing so mean the end of its world dominantion status and someone else on the line will take over. That is why should there be a war between USA and China the vitorious party will be Russia. All other nations inclulding those in NATO will align themselves with Russia then. Russia would become the world big brother and eveyone else has to listen somehow or else would be isolated and contained.
US would never ever nuke China unless it is losing its world lead status to China and that also depend if it gets the support of other world power especially Russia if Russia wuold also like to see China destroyed. And yet US has to be wary of Russia if Russia were to nuke them (US) unprepared during the war with China. Since US could nuke China US could also nuke Russia later. It is natural for Russia taking the opportunity to nuke US and dominate the world should US came out without a scratch. Unless US were also hit badly by China it would not necessary for Russia to nuke US and still be the new world leader.
Also, it will be unlikely that US would want to take on China with nuke even though China is on course to takeover US as world superpower. Likewise, China would not dare to have war with the then world no 2 USA. The new no 2 USA is secured just like current Russia being no 2 to USA.
Unless something extra ordinary happened, accident or some mad leaders emerged as leaders there will not be a nuke power nation against another nuke nation for a thousand years. As for US vs China the probability is like earth being hit by a large asteroids that eliminated the dino.
Many thanks Shawn.
This world is falling apart. Like seriously, you really wouldn’t want to mess with China, and if you think that America is easy to beat, you are so sadly mistaken. Obama and Hu Jintao should shake hands and unite. And then we help other developing countries. BTW, I’m Chinese and damn proud of it.
Actually, China does not remain unpleasant with USA, but Japan. then A war between US and China should never be happened.
ok, so this is ridiculous. if you think of usa and china as two people, china is the powerful, muscular jock that is powerful and looks like he has a lot of force, but doesnt know how to use it. the USA is the kinda scrawny short kid thats been in a whole lot of fights yelling at the jock COME GET SOME B****…. the usa would kill china in a war. 1. china doesnt have many allies. 2. china has way more soldiers than the usa, but usa soldiers have more experience on the battlefield. 3. the allies that china does have would be scared off when they hear the words “help, war and usa” put together in a sentece from china. this would never happen though. i think china knows that it still has quite a road to travel before it can expect to have a fair fight with the usa.
and i dont think people are giving the citizens of the usa a fair chance in other countries. what i dont think they understand is that we, the citizens, have no say in which nations we fight, all we can do is protest and petition, but other then that, we ahve no say. people think that everyone in the usa is screaming lets go to war!!! no. thats not how it works. apparently some of these people dont understand how much we protested the vietnam war and even the war we are in now. but we cant do anything about, so dont take it out on the citizens by saying you hate americans, maybe you mean you hate the government.
You can thank American companies for bringing your lame ass country to the upper echelon of the rich list. Without the yanks, youd still be planting potato and raising sheep.
@fuku
If it weren’t for the yanks, we’d be a pile of maple syrup and beaver dams. Honestly, I have never seen a leader “Stephen Harper” so reliant on another country. Canada should stand up for itself more. Besides raisng sheep is a lot better than eating dirt like they do in some part of africa.
As an American living and doing international business in China… if it came down to a war after cyber attacks, and before nuclear activity, I do not see the U.S. getting very far at all, but I never see this War happening. Also, it’s reported that China can easily defend its shores from a very long distance against any Naval ships. China also does have a Navy, to those size of which nobody knows at this time but China. China also does have an Air Force. China does have strong allies.
Wow, I don’t even know where to start. 3.5 YEARS of comments!
Tiffany, I’m glad you’re still here, I have lots for you to comment on, I’m sure. 你是五毛党吗？
Let me start by saying this. I’m Canadian. I’ve spent years in different parts of China. I’ve had dinner with, gone for walks with, got drunk in a ktv parlour with, slept with, taught English to, and done business with shop-keepers, lawyers, tv hosts, politicians, gangsters, hookers, doctors, taxi drivers, soldiers, bankers. I know many many Chinese people very well. Aside from fine dining, long walks, drinking and sex, I have 2 main hobbies. International politics and military history. Particularly toward the 20th century.
Before I give you my guess (it’s always just a guess until the dust is settled), I’ll go into force capabilities, and I’ll give some mention to alliances because realistically, 1 vs 1, China vs. America isn’t possible outside of a video game.
So China’s military. Huge ground forces, yes. And because of the massive population, it can generate massive numbers of infantry. The numbers aren’t as high as some people would suggest. China needs a lot of its human resources working at what they’re working at. For example, farming here is done by hand. Very small tractors or donkeys in some cases share the work. They have nothing on the order of the American megafarms of the midwest which can feed all of America with minimum workforce. China can’t have a military of 600 million for the simple fact that 150 million strong men and women are needed on the farms, or those soldiers start dying from malnutrition. That being said, the Chinese still have way more hands to put rifles into.
As for armor, the Chinese are still operating the T-55 tank in large numbers. It’s very low tech and would only be useful against troops with no armor support. Yes, there are T-72, T-80, T-85, and T-90 tanks as well, but together they’re about half, and the T-90 carries 13 tons less armor than the M1A1 does.
Chinese artillery is not advanced in any way, but it doesn’t really need to be. There’s a LOT of it!. When it comes right down to it, it’s a big bullet that falls from the sky. American artillery is more accurate, and they have neat ways of exploding at exactly the right altitude, and hitting right on the money. They also require lots more training, and cost way more to produce. China also has a large medium-range missile force. In and around 300km range is enough to hit military installations where American troops would likely assemble.
China’s Navy
Chinese naval forces simply can’t compare to the Americans. America has the largest Navy in the world by far, and the best, again, by far. The only naval asset that the Chinese have which can compare in numbers is their submarine fleet. It’s just less than 60 to America’s 65 or so, but seeing as American subs are all around the world and almost all of the Chinese subs are in the Pacific, we can give this one to China. When it comes to destroyers and carriers, America has them, China doesn’t. America also has quality and quantity over the Chinese when it comes to cruisers, frigates, supply and aor ships. There’s another advantage China has when it comes to the Ocean, and that COSCO’s or China Overseas Shipping Company. These are massive massive ships that could secretly carry tons of Chinese military assets into major American cities. If used together for that purpose, their latest container ships could carry as many troops and their equipment as America put into Iraq.
China’s Airforce
China’s Airforce honestly wouldn’t win a fair fight with the Texas National Guard. The J-10 is a 70’s era design that was cancelled multiple times, and the latest FC-1 is considered to be at a slight disadvantage to the F-18. And clearly the F-18 is NOT anywhere near as capable as the F-16, F-22 or F-35. The other American advantage here is sheer numbers. If it’s required, USAF can make a cloud of fighters and bombers that would make the PLAAF look like smoke from a cigarette.
Someone else has already pointed out China’s newly developed anti-shipping and strong SAM capability. The US has these same capabilities, with their Navies. The large ships America has and China doesn’t have are designed to put bombs on the ground from far away. Battleships and aircraft carriers have incredibly long ranges, and can destroy the missile placements that target them before they’re in China’s range. Those anti-shipping missiles are the best in the world, that’s true, but the radar controlling them is not. In addition, these units aren’t interconnected, which makes them less useful in a real world setting.
As for the Americans, I guess I’ve covered them too while speaking about China. The main thing to note here is that the Americans have much more experience in warfare, they have better equipment in almost all areas, and again, in almost all areas, they have more of that equipment.
Some interesting advantages and disadvantages: China has another major strength many of you have pointed out. It’s a dictatorship. Probably the most effective ever. They have a powerful influence over what people think, and propaganda works very well here. The state directs a lot of national attention to foreign affairs and tells its people that America and Japan are its enemies. Which of course makes America and Japan angry. Which makes them look like exactly the kinds of bad guys the CCP says they are. The CCP knows that if the people are too busy being angry about what happens in the outside world, they won’t question what goes on inside China. To give you an example, in my English teaching days, I asked a class what the word enemy means. Some of them said it was a word that means Japan. The rest thought it was a word for America. This is what you learn in Chinese schools, especially in the north. The people I know honestly think America wants to make China a state! They’re viciously loyal to China in a way that many Americans are not.
A big weakness is infrastructure. Radio, telephone, water and gas pipes, roads, bridges, railways and powerlines. They’re built in ways that take advantage of millions of cheap workers. They’re all of low quality (except the new fast trains, they’re totally sweet!), there aren’t enough of them, there are no backup systems, and if the country didn’t have access to its usual workforce (as in they’re busy fighting) getting these things working again is a real slow process. That means troops don’t get their food, fuel, ammo or civilians starving or freezing to death in the north.
For America, some of the major advantages are their service economy, and mechanization. In China, a farm that only needs one person to work can maybe feed 20 people. In America one farmer can produce food for thousands of people. This is the power of mechanization in just one example. GPS-guided air-conditioned megatractors can work massive chunks of land and free up massive amounts of people. Machines replace people to a huge degree in America, much more so than in China. This is true in farming, in construction, in shipping and transportation, in mining, in forestry, in manufacturing. This means that there is a higher percentage of people in America who can be taken away from their work to fight. The enormous American service economy is a whole sector that can be taken from out of their cubicles and into war-critical services, including important cannon-fodder duties.
In terms of Allies, the US has the 100% guaranteed 100% support of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. In fact, the war will start (and sadly, I DO BELIEVE this will happen in the next 3 years or so) because the US has treaties with those 3 countries to defend them to the death, and America will honour them, whether the American people believe in those treaties or not. This may offend some Chinese people, but most Taiwanese do not want re-unification, not even under the Hong Kong style. When the Taiwanese buy weapons from America, it’s because Taiwan is afraid of China trying to take over. They’re not a scared child trying to find their mother!
It’s most likely that this war will be started because of war breaking out in Korea. This is important to both sides. South Korea is a powerhouse of production, and would advance the Chinese war machine by leaps and bounds almost instantly. Aside from that, North Korea has a long land border with China, and would be a safer way to get troops into China if the Americans were having difficulty in the Sea of Japan.
As for the Japanese themselves. Interesting to note that they have one of the most powerful navies in the world, even though it’s not called a navy. The Japanese Self-Defense Force is nearly as powerful as the Korean Army, and by themselves could handle the Chinese Navy in a 1 on 1. Adding their strength to America’s (and totally ignoring the assistance of Taiwan and South Korea) means that China might ONLY have submarines pretty quickly! Not to mention that all 3 maintain a force including true destroyers.
China’s airforce and armies also match up fairly well against these 3 in most areas. The major difference being that the American allies have higher quality radar and better resistance to jamming than the Chinese. Otherwise, a comparison is pretty valid, they all use a combination of new equipment and older but upgraded equipment. The Chinese army is still much bigger than those 3, but not the airforce.
As for China, who’s got their back 100%? Just about nobody. North Korea will fight on the same side, but they’re not fighting FOR China. They’ll be on the same side because the war will start in their turf and China will back them up.
Who else gets involved and what can they bring to the table? And what’s the likelihood?
On the US side:
Canada. If the USA were fighting for their existence, Canada would consider themselves in the same danger as America. You would see huge support from Canada. Canadian military is quite small but does more training time than almost any force in the world. Canada is also capable of feeding about 2 billion people without anyone else’s help, and has a huge manufacturing sector.
Odds of joining USA: 100%
Australia. A very similar story with very similar people. A huge country with few people, but tons of resources, high-tech military with great training and recent combat experience. Slightly larger force than Canada, but smaller population and not as much in the way of natural resources. They even joined the war in Iraq when Canada wouldn’t.
Odds of joining USA: 100%
New Zealand. Like they are in all other things (maybe not rugby but that’s not a real sport) they’re like Australia’s little brother.
Odds of joining USA: 100%
Thailand, Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia. These countries essentially have nothing in the way of true combat forces. They do have armies, and not particularly small ones either, but they don’t really have airforces or navies worth mentioning, and their armies are mostly men with guns. Not much in the way of tanks, APC or missile forces. They can’t do a lot more than defend their home territories. Ideally, and most likely they’d all try to stay out of this conflict. However these territories would be strategic for both sides, and seeing as the Americans hold bases here already, they really only face a threat from China. That and the fact that they ALREADY fear China to some degree makes for a slight lean toward Uncle Sam.
Odds of Joining USA: Phillipines: 35%, the others: 15%
India. Has a situation very comparable to China, except they’re a democracy. The Indian and Chinese government don’t like each other, and Chinese people don’t like the people their government doesn’t like. That being said, India has their own problems and China could encourage Pakistan to keep them busy. India’s involvement would likely be limited to no more than 1/4 of what they could contribute due to the need for the military strength within their own borders. They have (Chinese sponsored!) rebels in the north and Pakistan to worry about. Their navy could go pretty much all-in, though.
Odds of Joining USA: 30% (100% if Pakistan is involved)
Mongolia. Not an advanced force at all. Mongolia is landlocked, so no navy, and their airforce is small and poorly maintained. Even their army sucks. But it’s not exactly a small army. Mongolia still isn’t happy that half of the land they consider to be their country (Inner Mongolia) is a Chinese province now. Also don’t forget that the Yuan Dynasty of China was a big, influential part of that “5000 year history” and they were 100% Mongolian. Ethnic Mongolians are all over China too. Any involvement by Mongolia would be a sneak attack, seeing as the Chinese would be watching to the south, the east and the southwest (south coast, east coast/korea, and the Indian border) so they might not have that hard a time re-taking Inner Mongolia, but they probably wouldn’t go any further than that.
Odds of Joining USA: 5% (odds of kicking China while she’s down, 50%)
European Union. Snooty tight-pants wearing French, Swedes, Germans, Italians won’t see anything for themselves in this fight. The European Union will not get involved as a whole. UNLESS….
NATO. Most EU member countries are NATO member countries too. If one is attacked, they all fight together under NATO rules. If it were perceived that America was acting in defense (if China fires the first shot) you can protest all day long and it won’t make a difference, you’ll be conscripted to fight on NATO’s behalf.
China has some fair-weather friends herself.
Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Burma. Who cares, right? Right. These are just dudes with guns. Militaries of these countries are of the same quality of their neighbours in Thailand, etc. They could add more soldiers to the mix, but China has enough of her own. Building bases for China would be useful but there isn’t much more they can do. Maybe some food production.
Odds of joining China: 65% (but what does it matter?)
Russia. The only country in the world that could likely stand up to America. They have an on-again off-again relationship with China the last 60 years, but these days things are friendly. Not BFF friendly, but they’re cool with each other. Russia is China’s main arms supplier, and China is Russia’s main customer. They certainly wouldn’t be interested in seeing America having so much influence in Asia as they would if China lost this war. But they also don’t like the idea that China will be stronger than them. They originally wanted the PRC to be their own puppet state, and that’s why they helped the CCP defeat the Republic of China after the Japanese left, so they might leave China to herself for a little while. If Russia were afraid that the US was about to occupy China completely, there’s a good chance they’d get involved. Then again, if the EU had their troops at home, Russia would have a good reason not to send their troops away or they might find themselves fighting on 2 sides.
Odds of Joining China: 50% (75% if the EU or NATO are directly involved)
Pakistan. Has some of the more advanced weaponry in the region. It’s a mishmash of Chinese, American and Russian equipment, and recent co-op projects with China has taught them a bit about making their own. They have an Army designed to keep India in check, and a small amount of nukes. They also have a pro-America president, and multiple tribal loyalties that will come before allies and even before love of their own country. Most likely they’d allow some of the anti-Indian militias on their turf go loose over the borders, and if they fought it would be in a war to keep India busy.
Odds of Joining China: 85% (odds of not also having a bloody civil war are closer to 15%)
I think that’s everyone worth mentioning I think the best hope that America and her allies would have in this war would be to attempt to dismantle China’s military and get the hell out of
dodge. Actually trying to hold down territory in China would be next to impossible. Maybe a few cities, but you wouldn’t want to try more than that. Maybe Tianjin, Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong. The purpose of holding these cities would be to develop a system to allow the free Chinese to create their provisional government. Cities and districts outside these areas (even Tianjin is only necessary to have access to Beijing) should be left unbothered so that the residents there realize that the Americans didn’t come to kill them all and force them to be slave labourers.
Taiwanese and Hong Kong based lawyers can help draft the new legislation, and leading figures left in Beijing could assist in the conversion to a civilian government. Peacekeepers should be Taiwanese whenever possible, and even then should be left to existing local police forces in most cases.
If the EU and Russia both stay out, I don’t think a war like this one would take that long, honestly. I don’t think it would be easy for America and her allies either. There would be massive loss of life. In the full-scale conflict with the countries listed above almost every nuclear country could come into play (US, UK, France, Germany, India, China, Russia, Pakistan, DPRK), and if even one of them hit the button (except maybe North Korea) they all would. And then every living thing on the surface of the earth is dead until someday a fish learns to walk again.
As long as it’s nuke-free I think America wins, and so do the Chinese people.
As much as we like to shoot off our mouths on message boards like this one, no real people want this war. Just the leaders who like to push people into wars like pawns on a chessboard. The difference with the democratic nations is that the people are allowed to say that the government is wrong. If every country’s people stood up together and told all of their governments not to fight, there’d be no fight.
If a war broke out between China and America, I say it wouldn’t be easier for Americans to win than putting all the serial killers out there into jail. It’s true that American armies are better than chinese armies in high-tech and many things(that I’m quite sure how to say in English), but chinese fight tough and we are very persistent and patient. Rememeber the anti-Japanese war during 1937-1945? Japanese wreaked havoc on our land for 8 fucking years, killing thousands of people, but surrendered at last anyway, also thanks to America who dropped a little boy in Japan. But we lasted long enough to win that bloody war. A man may be tortured and damaged physically, but as long as his mind doesn’t fall apart, he will always live and be. This is true to a nation as well. We maybe don’t have that money and equipment to do a fast and aggressive war, but as long as we are united, we are unbreakable.
I personally don’t want any war, especially after watching the Nicolas Cage movie Lord of War. It costs everyone every creature on earth too much. No more rambling about this. But don’t believe in any crap about how our leaders love peace when they have a meeting with Russian president or Frech prime ministers, their fake plastic smiles unveil the secrect beneath them to me. China don’t want to get into any war OPENLY right now, but I can’t guarantee when we get richer.
@jb
its true that china has a weaker military than the US, but like foxtail said, u can’t break the minds of the Chinese people. u really think that the Chinese would give up their culture after thousands of years of Chinese history and innovations? hell no. if the Americans do win, it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory, meaning that the victory will cost the winner a lot. they are gonna let loose nukes like there is no tomorrow if they no that they are gonna lose. so, just saying, don’t think you can win so easily.
Jb,I am Tiffany, and I surely tell you that 我不是 “五毛党”!!!
I just want to comment what i want, and to comment what seems to correct and incorrect for me, i just want to express my ideas. wow, so many words you’ve produced to show people about how powerful of the USA is? and in terms of the military, equipment, infrastructure, transportation, railway even human resources, etc comparing with China, it takes me a considerably long time to read through your comments, it is really lengthy, comprehensive, however, it make no sense if you are presenting the wrong things, and surely means nothing. we only believe the truth.
how did you say that the Canada, Australia and Taiwan should be your USA allies? (and yes, Japan maybe), what the evidence shows that this is ture? and how can we convince in what you said? and i totally object what you told that the Taiwan should be your ally in defying China? what a ridiculous hypothesis! Taiwan is one of the China’s parts indeed, and the Taiwanese speak the same language as chinese mainland, they learn Chinese at the todder period like other Chinese do, they learn Chinese culture as well, they are in the same skin color as we are, and they are also the descendants of the Chinese Nation, in short, we are all Chinese, that’s all.
China has the steadily enjoyable relationship with lots of nations all over the world, no matter how little or bigger the country maybe is, or how rich or poor it should be as well, China remains the good cooperation and intercommunication with them with equity and fairness. we are not aggressive as US did towards Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam etc, China never invade any country in the world, and not threaten to anyone if it becomes a superpower in one day, it just wants the peace, but if other nations, such as your US, wants to attack China, we have to fight back to you, and US should bear all the loadings and accountabilities by invading China. and of course, this would be a terrible war which will affect all the parts around the earth, and no one want this happen anyway, and here i just let you know, China currently is not the situation what you said above, China now is at the fast developing steps with fantastic speed, every day, every hour, every minute China changes, you are not Chinese, you definitely do not know well about China, you stated in the words as if that China is nothing, You America can defeat it easily and standing on your head, ok, no matter how thumbnail you may delineate China, nothing can change the facts, and what the facts? no one know, we cannot image what the postwar consequences probably like, but we know no one (US and China) CAN WIN the war substantially. and still the words i comment before, China does not remain unpleasant with US, but Japan, and i personally also give the deep hatred to Japan, especially for that japanese ancestors who invaded China during the anti-Japan War period, i nearly was not able to come to the world due to the war, um, and i suppose i mean that my father’s granddad had been caught (illegally) by Japanese troop in our town at the very young age, and the Japanese soldiery let him lead the way to the red army chamber for them, and for my grandsire’s wittiness and flexibility, he finally escaped from the troop. and till now, my father sometimes still tell me about the history that happended at my family. and also the Nanjin massacre, the notorious history record that Japan given to China, give to the World, also one of the most barbarous aspects of human being that Japan presented to the whole world.
and for USA, if you pay no attention to and not interfere in Chinese affairs between China mainland and Taiwan, you should always be the friend of China.
and still, i repeat again, i am the student in college, i am not the online commentator. and i am a little girl do not know much about the politics and military affairs, but something proved fundamentally and primarily to be known, I still not the one that come to zero about such cases.
1st off, I’m an Air Force Man and I am in college to coach and teach Physical Education… I also build computers, my own plumbing, cut hair, and make supplements so I don’t want the readers to think I’m some meathead repub warmonger. I am a republican and it was ironically a conversation with two close friends who are fundamentally liberal that prompted me to search this topic which was interesting and scary at the same time. I find this scary because there are people with my beautiful American flag in the corner of their comments slandering our nation with their lack of education and demeaning verbiage toward the oldest most communal people, the Chinese, possibly ever. I can promise you as a traveling man, for those who “travel,” I have met many Americans from many socioeconomic statuses and most of us aren’t like “Only_the_facts.” I really appreciate the person who stated that his screen name was the antithesis of his content as it doesn’t get any more accurate than that.
I tried explaining to my fundamental liberal friends that it is utterly IMPOSSIBLE to win a war without boots on the ground and China has great raw numbers. I can honestly say that with the small amount of information I’ve been provided with from the USAF, we do not want to go to war with China as it would not be pretty. Because we have predator drones they believe we rule the world but that is in a sandbox with an overabundant supply of ak-47s as protection. For those of you who haven’t been watching TV, I hate TV as it’s mostly bias but one thing has emerged: China has the J-10 which is great for ground attack. They now are developing a 5th Gen J-20 that is bigger than the F-22. I do believe that X-Planers scanned the J-20, and the F-22 is probably superior, but the J-20 wouldn’t get in the ring with an F-22 lol. It would do exactly what we do to ground targets and other inferior targets. The fact that they would also have a 5th Gen would be a great tactical tool in modern conventional war for the Chinese. Also, I agree with any writer who stated that the entire world would lose this war. It would not be like removing an old fence and installing a new clean white picket fence. It would be like trying to remove a 200 year old sycamore with a John Deere residential tractor. Our global economies are so intertwined that for the industrial world to survive, we need to coexist. For all of the joys and communication advancements technology has created, the fact that the smallest unit of life can be split to cause the biggest extinction of life is unfortunate.
I stopped reading the comments at 2009 but was delighted to see educated detailed answers from actual Chinese people. I find Chinese culture to be magnificent. From a sociological perspective, Chinese people are described by sociologists as “the model immigrant,” as they contribute to everything. They are communal, they dominate when it comes to test scores, and the Chinese people I have met here in the states, are almost always polite and excellent to converse with. I know there gangs in some Chinatowns, and I know all humans are prone to sin, but why start a war with a nation such as China other than the fact that we are obsessed with war as proven by the obnoxious sales numbers of Modern Warfare 2? To “only_the_facts:” go play your mindless arcade game and stop representing our great nation the way you have on here. And to all you other fake Americans who are on here taunting people from other countries, which most of you can’t pinpoint on a map, please get out of your mother’s basement and get a job and stop eating fast food and playing video games because both are leading causes of being obese.
Thank you to those who have read this and I pray we never see the clash of these two great nations.
Sincerely,
A true patriot
Seriously! Why are some Americans so arrogant! China is very capable of sticking it to the US. The reality is dangerous and hope it never happens because were all screwed. Even if somehow the US prevailed at the end, it would be by a hair and there wouldn’t be much of US left and China and even the world. So I urge the ignorant ones in the US( not all of you) to never under estimate China other wise if it happens it will screw your moral in battle! SUPRISE!
I’ve read a lot here about the power of the US and how weak the Chinese are. They are masters in warfare deception, strategic manipulation of their enemy and finding ways to overcome military adversity, and it has been so for 3000 or 4000 years.
a simple example, America depends on electronics, four or five well placed nuclear detonations outside of the earth’s atmosphere to avoid radiation fallout on the us would generate a EMP pulse that would fry all electronically parts in the country… sure the army is shielded but what about your phone, your car, your computer, now you need help from the military to control the US population because nothing works so you have to divide the army
Do the same to them… so what.
this is just what i could think of with my poor skills in strategy, think about what the country of “the art of war” can do
the thing about them that really is amazing is the way they are taking over the world with trade
they will peacefully enter sociaties around the world and in the next generation or the next you will have dual nationality chinese in all the countries to help them do whatever they are planing
and there is nothing you can do about it, they beat you at your own game
@ Tiffany
Wow little girl.
I would hate to think what you will be when your grown up.
A true political giant.
@ david, I just want to tell you that my major is English, not politics. then I won’t be a political giant forever.
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I am a Chinese student in the US that is due to return to China within 5 months after obtaining my degree in Chemical and Materials Physics. In my stay in the US, I’ve understood one thing: the US propaganda machine directed towards China is quite dangerous, misleading and inaccurate. I used to think the US was very urbanized and high tech from it’s movies. It’s not. There’s no subways, there’s no high speed trains, there’s no skyscrapers and modern buildings, cell phone coverage is bad, there are no huge walkways and crowds, and I go to school in Los Angelos, the 2nd largest city in the US. Everywhere around the school it’s low level buildings, no entertainment, no good restraunt, boring. No one on the streets. I was from a small city, Yichang, near the 3 Gorges Dam, and even this tiny city has more skyscrapers, better buses and more urban life than LA.
My colleagues have been great, but I worked in a lab with mostly other foreign students, Indian, Chinese, and German. My undergrad students conversely have been inconsiderate, rude and ungrateful. Even when asking me to teach them in the lab, they have an attitude problem of refusing to correct certain errors. Going by the lack of Americans in the graduate programs necessary to produce world class scientists and engineers, and going by the attitude of American students, the US cannot ever militarily defeat China. It’s been a long 4 years, I cannot wait to return to China.
Its great to know that there are still some smart Americans like A1C. Thanks to the people like only the facts, I thought that america was screwed. I changed my mind. Anyways, i’ve noticed that there is like a new generation of posters every year. When this blog was first made, there were ppl like Henry and only the facts. Now theres people like Tiffany and David. Anyways, keep up the good work A1C.
Guys, please, the only reason a war would start between the two is if America threatens China to the limits and beyond, or China would invade Taiwan. Heres another look at why America chose to go to war in Iraq. They never had any part, not one bit. Bush was in command at the time and chose to find something to do. Which was show other countries how easily he could end the war but could not. Now, the USA is too far into the war. Also, Obama has to make decision of withdrawing the troops in Iraq. So that was a very stupid decision. China on the other hand, has never lost a war. They have even defeated America in the Korean War.
NATO was created by America, but to make an impression on the Soviet Union. Which failed, now they are focused on China.
For those people who only accept America as a true superpower, for which I too believe it is, America is stooping to lower levels. The next three top super powers are China, India, and Russia. Yes, I know Russia has already fallen before, but that is why it is a cycle. If you think my facts are not facts, search them up yourself.
I do not want any haters, but this is too a fact. America uses and steps on other countries for it’s own benefits.
Obama made a speech saying that they need to Out everything every country in the world. But that is obviously impossible due to China’s aggresive increasing economy and military. China’s economy is becoming innovative which America now does not accept.
People who ignore the fact that America owes China over 1 Trillion dollars are just complete idiots. No one cannot just brush aside these facts.
Many people underestimate the J-20 by size, but remember, dont judge by look.
I think the F-22 is remarkable, fascinatingly strong, but tensions are increasing because China, Russia, India, are all in the Eastern side and all are constructing 5th Gen Fighters.
@Only The Facts
Man, where have you been. Everybody, and I literally mean everybody knows that America would fall if China stopped helping the United States. The United States borrowed a ton of money from China and still cannot find a way to repay. America needs China more than China needs America. -.- Are you kidding me?
Let’s say the Americans are on the offensive
The only way of reaching china will be by sea, obviously. The US Navy, the best in the World, will have an easy time approaching any hostile country, except for China.
The recently developed DF-21D Anti-Ship Missile is capable of taking down a battleship in one hit. The most accurate Anti-Ship missile available, with a range exceeding 2000Km. There is no known way to evade a DF attack. The Chinese, the inventors of the DF-21D and the only country that possesses the DF-21D, has enough missiles to take down all major ships in the US Navy, rendering the Western Navy open to attacks from the small Chinese navy.
Even if the Americans do manage to land, they will have been weakened to the point that the large Chinese Army will have no trouble defeating. The DF-21D’s will have destroyed the American aircraft carriers, decapitating the American air force. Thus, the Americans will have no offensive power capable of taking China.
China on the offensive.
There’s no need to elaborate. The Chinese don’t even have the ability to reach America. Why bother going through the possibility of the PLA storming the White House?
China has a large and high-tech defense network of missiles. The American’s don’t have the ability to bypass these defenses. The Chinese don’t have the navy required to land in America.
If any of the countries declare war, it would be stalemate. If a nuclear war breaks out, and America nukes Hong Kong, China would annihilate New York. One superpower, one regional power. Its a stalemate, and for the foreseeable future, it will remain.
It is meaningless to say that the dependence disappearance between China and US. that’s totally impossible. China and US are two countries which in interdependence and mutual-development. they need each other.
“please, the only reason a war would start between the two is if America threatens China to the limits and beyond, or China would invade Taiwan.” from @Willy’s statements, or second sentence of that” Or China would invade Taiwan”, which is completely wrong, should that China reunites Taiwan be Invasion? the answer is definitely “NO”, Taiwan is one of the parts of China, it beongs to China all the time. China just want the reunification for Taiwan, not invade it, and of course never, if someday, China uses the military power to force Taiwan for reunification, that’s still cannot be regard it as” INVADE”, it is reasonable, and for America, it’s none of your business for this issue all the time, it is the internal case between China and China Taiwan. and forever, I suppose that China would not start a War to force Taiwan to come back, we do not want to see a post-war situation. we do not want to our dear compatriot to be injured or dead, and also do not want the motherland(Taiwan island) to be destroyed. The peacefully non-blooding resolution for reunification always should be in preference.
China and Taiwan is now lead by two different parties(sadly for us, the one governing the whole country is too busy greasing their beard to care about human rights and stuff), they have long been apart. How can you call an independent country back to you, saying “oh he’s my dear long lost brother I want to live with him” when he has his own belief and don’t want to. It’s a common thing .Haven’t you learned history in high school? Besides, I bet a whole lot of provinces would have declared independence if there had been some smartass in China who realized what a sh*tty place this have become. Get real!
BTW, I think the debate about CHina VS US isn’t over yet so don’t jump to another dirt road.
OOPS, when I say “It’s a common thing”, I mean it’s a common thing that a screwed-up country where the only party that lead it attemps to make everybody a zombie splits apart.
Reasons why China would win a war
1. america is in huge debt to china it will have a tough time paying it and it will make the dollar worthless
2. if you guys/girls didn’t know alrdy america is weak towards EMP attacks send them in the right area’s and america goes back to the 16th century technology
also i hear that america is such a powerful and strong country and yet it’s milatry can’t deal with a bunch of cavemen with AK-47’s spends billions (soon trillions) of dollars fighting this war and getting no where it just shows how much this superpower is acheving also i would like another superpower to counter ballance the power in the world like in the cold war because america is just abusing it’s power so much ohh and yea china can hold out in a war and so can north korea and if north korea can so can china
just spend 20 minutes of your time reading what is in this link i know it’s abit of task but it shows what north korea can do and what china can do many times worse
So, I’m American. The USA is good but so is China. Both would be stupid to invade the other. And am I the only one who thinks everyone hates the US? I mean, the government is retarded but we’re not that bad… Give it a rest.
While this would be a VERY terrible war, the outcome would not just affect the U.S. and China, it would affect every human being on the planet.
While some people have their hate towards the United States, and believe me we arent some saint of a nation that never does wrong, we mess up, sometimes alot, the fact is that the United States is the best hope humanity has. Period. Liberty and justice for all isnt just something that a bunch of students say before they start school each morning, every human being on the planet deserves that freedom and justice available to all American citizens. No other nation in human history has had such a large cultural presence around the globe, and if the United States were to lose such a war, hope for democracy and freedom would lose morale, and fall greatly in the eyes of many. Russia and China would fight for seat of the world super power, the U.N. would fail, and the world would risk running into nuclear holocaust.
Every intelligent human being on the planet should pray that if such a war arises, the United States has the ability to stop such an enemy, because when push comes to shove, all of your lives depend on them.
Country which intervened, intervening or tend to intervene in the internal affairs of China would be doomed to perish, especially for that landownership. despite there are two parties for China and China Taiwan, China Taiwan still and always to be one of the unseparateable parts of China. China HongKong and PRC also the same case, One country Two systems, and HK still is for China.
Wow a four year old discussion.
I like how we have a good mix of people here, Aussies, Chinese, Americans, Europeans, etc.
Taking nukes out of the equation, China will most likely win the war in the long run.
Industry might was what made the US win WW2
For example- 5 American F-22’s were fighting 10 J-10’s in a skirmish.
The Americans might lose say 1 F-22 while the Chinese lost all its J-10’s (presuming American technology is as good as its media says)
The Chinese would be able to quickly rebuild the 10 planes while the Americans could not
In the next battle the Americans would lose another plane. The Chinese would rebuild all its planes again, and so on.
America will simply be outproduced in weapons, tanks, planes, etc.
Therefore, the country with the most powerful industry, China, will be the eventual winner
What are you talking about??? US winning war against china??? Are you joking??? Does any one know that the size of female PLA of China is more than the total population of China??? Don’t make me laugh my head off
Lisa Richards:
In that case, Venezuela just needs to stop providing you oil to win a war against US.
Or will you invade us too?
@Australia, what’s the PLA?
this would be world war 3 i think that eventually the us would win because of a few reasons
1. allies china’s only real ally is north Korea and there the crapest country in the world. America have UK NATO EU japan south Korea Taiwan the common wealth Israel ect
2. air power, while the Chinese have a lager number of aircraft america have the undefeated f16 the even better f22 and the b2 stealth bomber (virtually imposible to shot down
3. naval power, china has a rather average navy while the us has the largest navy in the world which is important because this would be a ww2 pacific war which requires a large amount of aircraft carriers nimitz them to death
4. last but not least nuclear weapons, America has enough nukes to destroy the world ten times over the Chinese however have a rather limited amount of nuclear weapons
if you think i have made any mistakes or overlooked something please coment
How should Taiwan become your America’s ally? ridiculously.
Only idiots will measure the sizes of penis. YOU stupid no-culture well-frog. It is true whitemen have longer dicks, but can’t grow hard all the way and easily fell soft, like snake. What for? Useless organs (so-called longer dicks).
For those thought they know about Chinese are bull-shitting. A bunch of baloney! Especially the never show grateful of Vietnamese assholes. They are really trashes to the globe and only like to throw out whatever they feel they have benefits. They do not know the whole stategies and war-planned were the Chinese contributed and supplied. Now they turn their gun to China. China knew Vietnamese more than Vietnamese know the Chinese. Stop your foolish statements and talk the truths. Chinese is one of the smartest human-being in the world, as already proven. Vietnamese? Fuck off!
if the war takes place between these two countries than it will take the whole world with in it,
but i know one thing that if the war between US & CHINA happens than RUSSIA surely support CHINA.
Though INDIA is close to RUSSIA but it will not support CHINA against US ,becuz they want CHINA to be down. PAKISTAN help china or US i dont knw becuz US give them funds but they are close to china than US . UK surely support US ,and the whole world get the taste of WW3 .
Pray that it doesnt happens….
Uncle! UK will not support the US anymore. They woke up already and realised (thank god, finally) it is totally idiotic to blindly support the US. In that circumstance (a war break out between China and US), I can assure you that UK will never support US. Similar to France, she will not support the US because both of them have mutual hatred and insulting each other. As you all know UK is facing economy downwards and is getting worsen and worsen. UK is lacking real cash, so if she goes to war. She will definitely broke and will never recover in the future.
US gave funds to aid Pakistan but Pakistan is closer to China than the US. Ironic isn’t it? The reason is because China support Pakistan all the way through included their economy, military and politically. China will continue contributing and supplying food, money and technology to Pakistan without any conditions. Apparently, US uses their aid to help Pakistan intended to gain only benefits. This is the difference, not by true hearts. Some thought they were so literate and knowledgeable by written so many things like writing essay, funny. Some thought China weapons are way too old can’t even fire a single shot. When happening real war, you will get to know China better. Low profile is the nature of all Chinese people.
@yoyo
i dont knw how much stupid things you have written in your quotes ,i think your uncle is the president of UK thats why you ve written so confidently that UK will not support US,
& ABOUT chinese people have low profile becuz
1.you ve always lie to the world
2.you ve a communist government thats why you dont show your millitary capabillities & dont even announce about your nuclear arsenel
3.you announce your millitary budget so so less than your actual one.
4.you are not low profiled ,you people are a liar ,isnt that
Mr Perfect
I find your comments distasteful and remember we all have rights to express our views that is essence of free world, we Brits call your comments below the belt.
For your information in a free democratic world you have to take rough with a smooth and I am very disappointed with your comments especially when you claim to be from the biggest democracy.
Mr Perfect my advice to you is learn to walk before you try to run and that means improve your English before criticising others…….
as far as taiwan being “owned” by china and china wants it reunited with the mainland. has anyone thought to ask the taiwanese what they want? if they want to reunite with china they should be allowed to do so. if they want to be independant and free they should be allowed to do so. and apparently their wish is to remain free or else they would have reunited with china already. so if that is in fact their wish then china should leave them alone. as for the chinese people being content. im sure anyone would be content with their living conditions if they didnt know a different way of life even exists. you US haters out there, take a look at the cover photo of time magazines august 2010 issue. this beautiful young girl disfigured for life by the people we are waring against. people that hide behind women and children to shoot at us. yet you say we are the agressor and they are the innocent victims of that agression. one such comment saying “teach those damn americans a lesson.” you people can all die, your asses can rot, and whats left can go to hell
David
you ve written that “remember we all have rights to express our views that is essence of free world” so its me who is expressing my views.
so please dont dissappoint frm me OK..
and may i m not so good in english but you can understand what i mean to say ..
so plz Mr david frm next time plz note this points in urs…….
@Mr Perfect
I see there is only one Perfect same as your name. Perfect Stupid Retard Lame to all Indians like you. Chinese liar? Then Indians are clown! Indians are nothing, but are a bunch of garbage. Why? Dirty, smelly, big-mouthed, lazy, pervert, ignorant, blow up, swank, stupid.
Don’t blame me being straight-forward, thanks to your countryman. He started it first. My uncle is your god, Buddha. Idiot! Remember! I’m your god too, which means I am more superior, and powerful than you. You should be obedient and follow my command, doggy.
mr david
one more thing. sometimes you need to run before you learn to walk. mind well.
@street
Taiwan is willing or not is none of their citizens right. Taiwan is part of China. I see no reason why China can’t regain Taiwan. Even China can use force to reunite Taiwan, others should only remains silent. Only rebels or with bad intentions will stop China by attempting to reunite its own pieces of land. For those meddlesome, you are no rights to intervene other countries sovereignty. US bad dog should stay away! Why you greedy evil so troublesome? Beware! US may vanish one day due to heavy debts. You people should improve your relations with other countries not to make things worse.
jk
yoyo its unbelievable that you said the taiwanese people dot not have the right to freedom and that china should even use force if necessary to reunite taiwan. thats called tyranny and oppression. its what the US has fought against since becoming a nation when we ourselves fought against tyranny to gain our independence. no one owns anyone. not you not china. as a desert storm vet i have seen the ravages of an evil, tyrannical dictator. and you call us evil? when have we ever murdered our own citizens for a peaceful protest. we also dont have the nobel peace prize winner imprisoned either. but maybe youre ok with such things. but keep in mind that one day it could easily be you. the good news is that communist tyrannical states tend to have short lifespans. and if the US should disappear one day then china will soon follow. Wal Mart is 12% of chinas economy. Wal Mart alone could cripple china. yoyo its better to remain silent and thought an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt
now as far as who would win a military confrontation between the US and China. as a desert storm vet i can clearly see that most of these comments are uninformed. it is the commentator stating what he/she would like to see happen, not what would actually happen. you people have no knowledge about the US. nor have you taken the trouble to learn. i have seen the machine at work and it is impressive to say the least. so many of you make reference to chinas huge army. well the larger the army the more supplies that are needed. and after a time that huge army becomes more of a liability than asset. you ask “can the US defeat china?” the answer is yes we can. it would not take us long to settle the argument forever and shut some foreing mouths. china released a vid awhile back of one of their state of the art fighters shooting down a drone. meant to be impressive i suppose. turns out it was actually a scene from the movie “Top Gun.” is this the best you can do. the mighty, mighty, mighty, chinese military. if china attacks us they will have a plaque in hong king sing dong kong just like the one in japan. it reads “may we never make this mistake again.”
@Street
Do you think Wal-Mart will be that stupid to retreat its asset or financial to cripple China. Wal-Mart will has to suffer huge losses. Come on, grow up, buddy. You talk like a 3 year-old boy. Don’t mention that Wal-Mart alone does not have that financial power to harm China. To be honest, China reserves are more than trillions, even your government knows that. Your economy is China supporting. China also bought huge sum of bond to sustain your US dollar. You should be grateful and be appreciated. You better ask your daddy how much money your US governenment owed to the World, included China and the UN. You don’t have to worry about China. China will never go down and will NEVER get defeated. So better mind your country first. China people can feed their own and stand with their own foot (firm and thick foundation). China has experienced many decades of independently depend on it’s own. History has proven. I am not boasted it or exaggerated this and that. All I am saying is very truth. Believe it or not? It’s up to you. As long as I am not lying. You may not want to listen, but, at least try to be sincere.
Oh! Yeah! One more thing. Do you think Wal-Mart is American own? Your economy is fully taken, influenced and dominated by majority of the Jews. Do you really think the Jews will sacrifice for your notorious America? Be wise and be rational, buddy. US weapons advances or not, perhaps, I have no idea because the US always bullying the weaker countries. Hence, nobody knows wether it is effective to counter against stronger countries. You should feel ashamed and disgraced. Unfortunately, not pride.
hj
yoyo i wouldnt say you are lying. i would however say youre clueless. as i said before you should think about what youre saying BEFORE you say it. it can sometimes make you seem less like a fool. its good advise. whether you choose to take it is up to you. you think china will NEVER be defeated? china will indeed be defeated my friend if it allows greed to become its motivator. which is exactly what is happening. greed defeats all who allow it access. you dont really think a government who cares nothing for its own people would help another out of the “goodness of its heart.” you know absolutely nothing about us yoyo. how would you define greatness? do you think a government that oppresses it people through fear and threats is a sign of greatness? the chinese people are helpless puppets controled by this same tyrannical government. the one attempt at protest was met with violence and death. i notice you didnt care to comment on that. there is nothing great about china yoyo. the chinese have not bled and died to earn their freedom as we have. they have not bled and died so that others may be free. i have done so myself. and what about you yoyo. what have you done? it is written “hath no man greater love than he that give his life for another.” these are the marks of greatness my friend. if chinas wish is to pit their meager skills against our greatness, i can assure you yoyo we are a formidable opponent
yoyo you said we should be ashamed????????? what exactly should we be ashamed of? its clearly obvious you fit in well as a pillar of communism. you care nothing about others only yourself. as i said before check out the pic of time magazines august 2010 issue. this beautiful girl disfigured by evil. these are the kinds of people you say we are bullying? if you really sympathise with this type of evil then what i said about you is true. but in the end “good will be called evil and evil will be called good.” and yoyo did you know we can control the weather and earthquakes and such?LOL oh yeah its true. look out yoyo. an earthquake in china kills 250,000. an earthquake here of the same magnitude kills 63. another sign of chinese inferiorty.
@street “the chinese have not bled and died to earn their freedom as we have. they have not bled and died so that others may be free. i have done so myself. and what about you yoyo.”
well first of all, you obviously did not die for others, otherwise, you wouldn’t be here talking. Second of all, China lost millions of people trying to free themselves when the Japanese invaded in the Second World War. The only reason you americans intervened was because those japs bombed your precious pearl harbor. So you have absolutely no reason to talk either, maybe even less than us Chinese, because its not like you have lost millions of people trying to earn your freedom, which you americans were part of the problem during the boxer rebellion. So think before YOU talk, and learn your history. Trust me, it’s helpful.
i know my history very well fusion. and i suppose you think being bombed was not a good reason to go to war. but it doesnt matter what you think. and yes i have indeed risked my own life to defend those who are least able to defend themselves from persecution. i have been there my friend as well as wounded in battle. there were times i thought the end was surely upon me. some of my friends were killed in battle. until you have committed yourself to something that requires risk, the ultimate risk then it is you that should keep your mouth shut. i have earned my right to tell the truth. and it is the truth whether you like it or not. how many american lives were lost in the war with japan to liberate your own country. how soon you forget. and the fact is fusion if so many chinese lives were lost why are you still not free? but then again i see you bear the canadian flag. did you become afraid and run to canada? are you a coward fusion? have you yourself ever risked it all to help your fellow human being. not your ancestors or people that look like you or your friends but you personally?
C’mon! Buddy! I don’t know whether you don’t want to believe the truth or you afraid to accept the truth. Yes, truth is cruelness, but, still you have to accept. You said living under commnunism are puppets. You are true. However, I don’t think living in capitalism is enjoying so-called freedom. Go on, cheat yourself. In fact, you Americans were puppets too. Try to figure it out. Freedom? It’s a word of joke. I dare to say not even a single conutry in this globe is enjoying so-called freedom, as long as there is a goverment administration. You can’t possibly enjoy freedom. Perhaps, your so-called freedom can walk down to the street and kill people. Or, go down to the street and get naked. Throw rotten eggs to anyone you like. Bad-mouthing others. Chinese never be coward, not even once. You Americans are cowards! Fled from Vietnam war, Korean war, somalia war, and etc. Even I feel embarass to mention it all out. You people are true chicken shit! Please don’t drag it to a different topic. Natural disaster? Do you think your country could stay away from that? Remember the typhoon and flood happened in your country quite recently. An advice to you. Take out a piece of mirrow and look in the mirrow. Learn from the mistakes………………………………………………….
America could control the weather????? Hahaha…. It is indeed the most funniest and furore jokes ever in this planet. You mentally retarded idiot! You should have had send to mental hospital early.
wow yoyo i find myself agreeing with you on several points. honestly my friend i wish things were better between all countries. as the US inches closer to the trillion dollar military budget. spending such an amount to develope newer and better technology to kill our fellow man seems extreem. :o) now as far as the weather thing it is indeed hilarious i share your laughter)))))))))))))) but if you look on the net there are those who accuse the US of such thing. its true my friend. this project called HAARP. im not saying its true. im just saying we have been accused of such. earth quakes too. check it out im not kiddin
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If you found any offended comments I’ve posted makes you feel uncomfortable. I am here to apology. I am sorry.
yoyo you call people you disagree with names such as chicken shit, retards and idiots. a sure sign of immaturity. do you have an anger management problem or is it the security of not having to face to one youre talking to. you know that warm fuzzy feeling you get from hiding behind a keyboard. or could it be that you have some chicken shit in your own blood yoyo? yoyo my friend if you had been in some of the situations ive been in or done some of the things ive done you would completely break down and cry and wet on yourself. when you voluntarily dive into the roiling ocean as a rescue swimmer and drag a man from the jaws of death then you will know who is chicken shit. i have seen a fellow soldier walk onto a mine field to rescue a little girl and the little dog that was with her. the entire time knowing that his next step could be his last. all the while a battle raging all around us. and you call americans chicken shit. you know nothing about americans yoyo. but keep thinking so my friend. wars have been won or lost from one side underestimating their opponent. so when that day comes you will think back on these conversations, desparately trying to find a way out of the predicament in which you have been so clearly found
if youre sincere yoyo then i will offer my apology as well my friend
@ yoyo
i m agree with street ,posting a comment with bad language indicates that your r immature or you r frustated,
see what you ve posted a week back,
“Perfect Stupid Retard Lame to all Indians like you. Chinese liar? Then Indians are clown! Indians are nothing, but are a bunch of garbage. Why? Dirty, smelly, big-mouthed, lazy, pervert, ignorant, blow up, swank, stupid.
Don’t blame me being straight-forward, thanks to your countryman. He started it first. My uncle is your god, Buddha. Idiot! Remember! I’m your god too, which means I am more superior, and powerful than you. You should be obedient and follow my command, doggy.”
these comments are realy realy uncomfortable for everybody,we r here only for a healthy disscusion thats it,
i dont knw why you ve mentioned Lord Buddha in this disscusion,he was born in India ,he is our god too.
& imagine the words which you ve used for Indians ,if it was used by me for the chinese ,than how would you feel ?
one always wants his country or countrymen above all,so please please be good, my frnd.
as you ve apologized,this makes you far better than others. & i too apologize 2 u for anything wrong.
@JB
I totally disagree and found that is totally fiction or like an old white hair granny telling their grandson fairly stories (bull-shitting). For those with their brain functioning well, certainly, will think this is completely hypothesis. Better known as blithering. So I would not be surprise this fellow is in delusion.
Fight one-on-one! Why look for aid? Afraid to lose? No confident? Or coward?
Hi, all guys, stop arguing over such a hypothesis. The united States and China will NOT engaged in War with each other in the near future. and yes, I argee with somebody indicated here that the Communist is really a totalitarianism, I am a native Chinese even I think about so, however, China people is definitely great and wonderful. I even sometimes imaged myself as a American, then I will under the governmency of that Democracy, then real thing I want to get should be under no governmency with absolute freedom even I know certainly there is no absolute freedom being existed in the World. then come back to the topic again, I hate war, and I hope and pray to the god that such a War or any War will be never happened, and the War really already being happended will be in armistice shortly.The World need peace, you need peace, I need peace also.
this is to all chinese. you know when things get heated and arguments begin sometimes things can get out of hand. this is exactly what ive allowed to let happen and im sorry. ive said things i should not have said. i know that china as far as its people are not a bad nation. seems though that everyone on this site HATES the US and americans. some even blame us for the weather and earthquakes that are happening. we are not the cause of everything bad in the entire world. i will not become involved in another hateful dialog here. and a little bit for thought here in closing. has everyone here seen the movie “independance day?” i know its fiction and in reallity will not happen but there is one scene where the jew and the arab are united their respective flags flying side by side. china, russia and the US, the entire world even are all united against a common enemy. it gives me chills every time i see it. if you have not seen it i would encourage you to view it and hope you get the same feeling i did
Iam sorry, some of my words in Grammar need to be corrected, as the China people which should be Chinese People, I typed the words so fastly, then miss some letters.
and, I have no authorization to let anyone on this site or outside stop the dispute in the topic of that a war between US and China. but, I mean, please all use the good-mannered words without any rudeness and unpleasantness. we should argue with each other politely, in no way to the dogmatic approach.
tiffany, we also have people here that feel the same about government, they are called libertarions. they believe a person should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. i could go along with such a system myself. and your english is not that bad. it is much better than my chinese. as i dont know even one word in chinese
@street
Whole-heartedly agree.
I am actually not a girl that very curious and enthusiastic in discussing the toptic about the war. howerver, sometimes, i find a little interest in the argument among people in this discussion from each part of the world. and i am just wondering why the responsible person for this column should have this such a scenario(as Can the United Status Win a war Against China?) being made for people open Discussion with encouragement. Why should US against China? not other countries? i suppose that these two contries should be in good-relationship, mutual development and cooperation as well as learning from each other in terms of culture, trade, education, technology, engineering and navigation, etc. supposedly a war between China and US would had happended, then the unprecedentedly bed consequences that both countries would be definitely got, even most of others countries in the world out of the War also should be affcted more or less. Not only a great amount of casualty, but also the deadly shock in the economic and social development. also, one of the most unpreasant consequences should be that the pollution of the air, even no nuclear weapon being involved. the Nuclear leakage from Japan caused by the earthquake and the tsunami has tensed our nerves without doubt you know, then even a war really comes to us one day inevitably, then the Nuclear weapon should never be in account(hopefully that the governments of between or among the war-involved countries can recognize and take it seriously). the world is so nice, we have been enjoying our lives so deeply out of heart, should be never disrupted by War, and here, I’d like to make a comment about US, US is a good country, but the most disgusting things of the nation are that the agressiveness, warlikeableness and the intervention. If such spots can be removed from the nation, then it should be perfect. you’ve got democracy, got so much facilities from government, equal opportunities for personal development and equality in self-realization and recognition of different individuals, there is no corruption among the states, and always be in egalitarianism and freedom. I am full of envy about all of these that Amecian people get, even i dream that one day i will marry with a American. but China also is good.
sometimes, I talk with my friends of that marry an American, they always making jokes with me of that “worship foreign things”, but not exactly.
if a confrontation between China and the US should happen, no one, myself included, could imagine the scale of global destruction we would see. take WWII for instance, both china and the US have more military power than the entire world as it was at that time. it could possibly even be described as an ELE. (Extinction Level Event) a global killer. man has created weapons of such horror that even their creator is afraid to use them. i pray that such an eventuality will never happen
yoyo, have you had time to check out this project called HAARP that i mentioned about? if anyone has time to check this thing out id like to hear some different takes and opinions. there are lots of websites out there about it. ive browsed through a few myself. just wanna know how others view it
I have heard rumours, and I have read some newpapers indicated that the possibility of such non-lethal weapon to exist. To be honest, I do not think this project would be use against human beings, even though they have mastered every skills and knowledge gained. According to some websites I have been through, scientists evidence suggest the United States and Russia has capabilities operates this ‘climate warfare’. If it is true, as my concern, other countries might follow their footsteps to develop such inhumanity warfare to manipulate the weather causes floods, earthquakes, droughts, and hurricanes. I doubt, whether they have truly succeeded in this military mass destructive weapon. The reason because the happening to the recent United States hurricanes attacked, Russian should be responsible for this ability to trigger this natural disaster. The United States should be retaliate to trigger another weather change to impact the Russian. Conversely, it is not occuring, perhaps, the so-called ‘climate warfare’ does exist, but unable to operate in such short period of time. Hence, I feel this ‘climate warfare’ is just another debate or topic to frighten their enemies.
its quite possible youre right. three questions about it are: does it exist, is it as advanced as they claim, and can it be weaponized. if the answer to the first two are yes then the third question must be yes. there seems to be no limit as to what man will do to dominate his fellow man. as you said the russians are claimed to be trying to perfect this same type af tech. i can also see how this could get out of hand between two warring countries. like we send them an earthquake and then they send us one back. then we hit back at them and it goes back and forth until theres nothing left of either country.
Climate weapon refers to that the climate phenomenon making by human, always the earthquake, tsunami, rainstorm or thunderstorm, Mud-rock flow, avalanche, high temperature, Fog or gases, to make the warfare environment with the purpose of implementation or achievement in military performance. Along with the rapid development of science and meteorology, the weapon technology has been improving to a very high level with the “Earthy physicas environment” of man-making, and must be one of the most significantly important roles playing in the future-warfare. Then of course, the weather weapon or climate weapon does exist.
I think most of you that are on Chinas side. Are looking past that it is a corrupt communist evil nation. A few rich short ugly Chinese are enjoying privileges for themselves at the expense of the Chinese people. Most young Chinese have no chance at getting anywhere with their degrees, instead the good jobs only go to party loyalists and there families. The Chinese sensor history and concepts of freedom from their people! The Chinese people want to be free to choose their own lives. As a US marine I will fight and die for their freedom. Democracy must be spread throughout the world. Death to all tyrants , communist, and dictators. Your days are numbered as the armies of free men will inevitably descend upon and destroy you. Let freedom prevail in the world. God help us.
“As a US marine I will fight and die for their freedom” Well aint that mighty sweet of you LOL.You been eating too much of those “freedom fries” I think.
I have just consult the implication of “Communism”, it refers to a state of that political belief or the status of society, and regarding currently, the commnism is worshipping the beliefs of Marx, Friedrich Engels as the basic ideology. And the Communism proclaims the elimination of the privatization of the property right, and found a non-hierarchical system without state and government, and with the collectical production in which should it be. All the hierarchy society will get through the transition to non-hierarchical communistic society in the future in accordance with the the assumption of the Communism. the implementation of Communism requires that everyone should have the high-developed collectivism ideology.
In this case, the Communism seems resonable and perfect to people, and China just is in the way of “Communism”, and yes, it is the situation of that @ freedom stated above currently in China,” Most young Chinese have no chance at getting anywhere with their degrees, instead the good jobs only go to party loyalists and there families.”, I agree with you, that’s definitely the case, that’s the truth. Simply because of the corruption among the nation. And for “A few rich short ugly Chinese are enjoying privileges for themselves at the expense of the Chinese people.” Here one thing should be added, not only the rich, but the governmental officers, but not all, some of them are not so ugly and corrupt, and they are really just, fair, and just in incorruptness and rightness. And as a Chinese, I am sorry to say that such a group of government is far less than those who are in corruption which Chinese people really do not want to see and expect to be.
,” Most young Chinese have no chance at getting anywhere with their degrees, instead the good jobs only go to party royalties and there families.”, and for the royalties, not only the officers in the high level of the society mastering lots of significant public things and activities in China, but the provincial or local government officers, a typical example be given here,
At the time of 21:40, Oct 16th, 2010, at the front door of the Hebei University, there was a black car with the license plate number of “Ji FWE420”, made the traffic accident as bumpped against two girls away from several meters. And for one of the girls was dead in the evening of 17th as of the no effect of rescue. And for the other, fortunately came out from the gate of hell after the emergent rescue, but seriously injured, and now had been transferred to another hospital for medication and treatment. And for the car driver, who made the traffic accident, can you guess what were he saying while the accident happening? You never can get the answer about the truth that the driver said that evening the tragedy happened(Apart from the Chinese people), let me tell you what he had told, “hey, just call for the police if you like, my father is Ligang!” that’s the words out of his mouth without refinement or exaggeration.
P.S: Ligang is the Deputy director general of the police office at one of the local parts in Hebei province.
The driver’s words and actions told us that his father is one of the officers in police office, then you have no way to sue him, and if yes, it is also a little bit punishment. And if the driver were the common person, well, I mean not the officers in government, just a normal one, neither has much money nor the officers mentioned above, then how did he come out such words? You father is Ligang, you will be at large? You will be out of the lawful punishmen? How ridiculous, it is disgusting to get the words he told. And only six year of the set term of imprisonment as the verdict.
From this case, you will get the truth how corrupt and dictatoral the country is. China requies nothing but the incorruptness and fairness, I deeply hope that the Chinese commanders and governors will achieve the “Communism” without hierarchy, and equality for everyone. the corrupt governors should wake up to the danger at last moment, and learn or imitate from the incorrupt one. Currently, the corruptness is far more larger than incorruptness, hopefully in the near future, the should be turn upside down and come out a fruitful results with the elimination of the corruption and authoritarian in China, should this be possible?
A war between The USA and China is laughable at best, seeing as both nations would much rather splay at sabotage and cyberwarfare than risk it all in a conventional war.
If placed with no other alternative, with nothing but War on the horizon and both of their populaces giving nearly full approval, which ever side comes to the conclusion of incinerating the other with nuclear weaponry first. Both sides lose, for nuclear submarines are implacable bulkheads against such preemptive strike.
In a similar situation, assuming that the UN has sworn to aid the nation that is stricken by nuclear force first, there could be no winner in conventional war, because the victory condition of conventional war is either surrender or the capturing of a capital, which is almost literally impossible for China to do with its overwhelmingly inferior Navy, which is a point that cannot be debated. On the other hand, the United States could siege the capital of Beijing for an eternity, and perhaps capture it for a short period, until it was pushed back by the overwhelming Chinese ground forces. Neither wins in such a situation.
So, one must think of what the new victory conditions would be, in my opinion is would be a war of attrition, the United States bleeding its treasury to keep China’s economy held down with constant barrages of missiles and air strikes, and China simply trying to hold its ground and not collapse while enduring the barrage. In the end, it would come down to public opinion, which as before mentioned would need to be irrelevant for any of this to happen. In my humble opinion, China would endure, forsaking the Yellow River Valley and setting up a western capital, and the Americans eventually declaring victory on their own and going home. Does this mean China wins the war? Perhaps, perhaps not. In the end, all it will mean is, at the very least, dozens of millions of lives lost.
The USA is not invinsible and im not a meat head im actually a 13 year old student. But if the US was in a war the same as or bigger as world war 2 (which i doubt would happen) I belive we would go full steam ahead and it would be a repeat and we would produce a huge army double are navy and would be able to defat China. But for a while this would be the equvilent of World war 1 before the last 2 years. It would be a stalemate until someone attacked and if one of these 2 nations would be close to losing then NUKE in 3 hours the nations would be gone. But China has a weakness the US has some experience while the Chinese army had to fight Monks. The US would then put all of its factories into a wartime efforet then it would be a victory. Another weakness is Chinas peaple hate there goverment, most cant even go on the internet. I belive during the war food shortages and repression would split China into many difrent nations depending on cultures. Another weaknees for China and a strength for the US is the peaple of the own guns and can be able to form a homeguard army that is formidble. But in the end both nations would suffer extreme loses and just would be a grusome war and nobody would want it except Donald Trum and Sarah Palin;).
The United States never went to war with a foe that it felt was stronger than it was. During the World War 2, the US fought Japan, which was a small budding empire with a World War 1 level military, already battered by Soviets in the Battle of Khalkin Gol. In the European theater, Americans joined only after the British and Russian forces have cleaned up 90% of the Nazi forces and the Nazis were on a retreat. Even then, they needed the help of England, Netherlands and Canada to get balls to step on Europe.
Most Chinese people are very proud of their country. If you attack China, you won’t meet women welcoming the GI Joes with their legs spread. You’d meet a hostility that would make Vietnam look like Disneyland.
And how is having guns going to help, really? We are talking about a professional army here - not some stupid burglar, your schoolmates or a moose. A physically unfit, untrained and stupid American amateur with a gun is more of a danger to himself than an invading army.
tiffany, that was quite a sad story you told. the girl that you said lived, has she made a full recovery? i should hope and pray she has. greed is represented well in the entire world. we have our share of greed here in the US. men have allowed greed to darken their hearts to the point that all they can think of is money. i hope everything will be well for you tiffany. i have no bad feelings for the chinese. growing up we had neighbors that were chinese. their last name was quon they were very good people. a friend of mine married one of the girls. i pray that the situation will change some day for you and your people.
Thank you, @Street, you are a good man, yes, the girl I’v had told in the traffic accident has made a full recovery. and the same with you, there is no hatred and bad feelings to the American for me, and I also always praying the situation will be better for my country and my people day by day , thanks.
k you know what street? im am not a coward, and im here in canada for a different reason. lets just go as far as that. you dont know my life, and one wild remark could have made its mark. what im trying to say is that chinese people DID fight for their freedom back then, even before the second world war. i didnt mean to offend you or anything, but if i did, then im sorry. i was just kind of pissed at your ignorance in that particular post, though i now know that that is certainly not the case and you are not ignorant. in fact if i remember properly, america and china were great allies back then, and should still be. this world has experienced too much violence already, and i believe that both countries should become partners in the world and help each other and the rest of the world, rather than pointing out the mistakes of one another and finding reason to nuke the ass out of each other. we are all humans and we all share the same world. we should learn to respect our differences and help one another, as we should. so i believe that a war between these countries would be pointless and would only result in a major loss of life.
I’m sure nothing would please the anti-Americans on this site more than a war between the USA and China where the USA gets destroyed and turn into a “wasteland”. Just like a liberal to hope for such a catastrophe in the United States
america is superpower…no doubt!!!but the american army is not brave..america has not won the war in afghanistan and is trying to move her forces out of afghanistan…if america is superpower than why does she attacks countries which are not economically developed…why doesn’t she attacks china,russia or england etc…(americans reply must)…
america wants to capture pakistan so that she can sit in front of china which will be possible only when america matyrs all the pakistanis…..loved and proud to be pakistanis…
You said that all the terrorist laughed as they killed all those innocent people that were accused of siding with Americans. I cannot agree more that those inhumane actions should be retaliated. But as the famous Confucius has said “Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire” then how could you justify the fact that Americans are slaughtering hundreds of innocent Afghans, Iraqis and many others. Not to mention all the rape cases that American soldiers committed everywhere they went. Take Cambodia for instance, after the installation of the UN troops led by the US the number of people with AIDS spiraled out of control. Where did the infection came from?? The country of Cambodia existed for thousands of years without these problems, but when the soldiers came, AIDS started popping like wild fire. Everywhere the American soldiers go, they left a path of destruction. My country was not an exception, during the Vietnam war, the US carpet bombed Vietnam,Laos and Cambodia, killing thousands of people. Then there’s also the use of agent orange in Vietnam which trigger severe food shortages. How could you fought all those wars with such pride in your country. I strongly regretted my governments decision to allow the US to use my country as an airbase so that they could kill our friendly neighbors. You killed all the grannies in Vietnam believing that they were in league with Ho Chin Minh. Al Qaeda might killed hundreds of thousands of people, but the US killed MILLIONS. Despite all that, no matter how many you killed, regardless of the number, those action CANNOT be justified in any plausible way. So I doubt that you pride in saving your “FREEDOM” is nothing but a scheme from your government to get you to kill other human beings. I believe it is not right to be proud of those actions and/or experiences you have been through. No one has ever invaded your country, except Mexico, throughout you short 200 years of existence, you are just obliterating the potential “threats” which, in fact, might not be a threat at all. Just like Bush claimed that Saddam has WMDs, which in fact, Saddam got none. So, What exactly are you proud of in protecting, sir??
Having read through 4.5 YEARS of comments, id have to say that the recent ones since 2011 are far more logic and reasonable. same as fusion, im a chinese canadian. grown up in beijing and immigrated to canada at the age of 7. been there and back almost every year. my opinion on the situation at hand is said by many others before. if a war were to happen between the US and china over an excuse ( probaly about taiwan or NK) it would most likely be the americans attacking first. an invasion would leave the american military destroyed and there will be an counterattack. but if the war were to happen anywhere else, id say chances are even. but the result of the war is no doubt catastrophic towards both countries and most likely the world. i hope that this war never breaks out and pray that the world stays in peace.
So if you were already free then what the hell were you there for?.Why do you care about the people of Iraq and why do you not care about the Palestinians or the people of Zimbabwe for example?.Oil perhaps is the answer No!!.Afganistan vast untapped mineral wealth No!!.Also building a ring around China perhaps (greater global strategic aims).As you keep on about pictures of what some of the people you are fighting have allegedly done,what do you think of the American pictures from Abu Ghraib?.What do you think of the picture of the little girl running from her village in Vietnam naked and burned from a napalm attack ?.What do you think of g
the sentences handed out to those who carried out the Mai lai massacre and the photos from that and so on and on and on.It would take me years to list all of the crimes against humanity America has committed.Not to mention all the dictator lackeys America has kept in power and looked after while they looted and destroyed their own countries.Listening to Americans lecturing about “freedom” is like listening to Jack the Ripper lecturing about the right to life!.
I googled America vs China War. I just spent like 2 hours reading this. WTFFFF!!!!! Had some good laughs. Soooo, who has a ps3 and plays COD?
add me
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So many people here all over the world posed to anti-Americans, I am acutully not laying so much hatred upon the americans, but one thing is certain, and out of my control, I cannot help but hate such cases, and the truth towards to the American, precisely, the American government. Let me tell you all from each part of the world about the Taiwan issues in essence without exaggeration and amendment,
Taiwan is the largest island in China, and totally 36000 square kilometers, in conjuction with the mainisland, Orchid Island, Green Island, Diaoyu Island in connection with 21 subordinating islands and isles. in 1949, the Kuomintang political party was disrupted in the war against the communist party, and been forced back to Taiwan from China mainland, and exactly at the moment when the Chinese People’s Liberation Army intended to liberate the Taiwan for the purpose of unification of China wholly, the American imperialists who did opposition upon newly-found China initiated a war against North korea, and directly intervened in the internal affairs of China, and flagrantly garrisoned in Taiwan, and dispatched the fleet which is called number Seven armada to blockade the Taiwan channel. To be more, and barefacedly produced the saying of “Undetermined state of Taiwan” inclining to drive Taiwan out of China, and subsequently, America made a contract with Taiwan authority as Mutual Defence Party, and took Taiwan under her protection with military support mainly, due to the limited military power of China at that time, and lots of other reasons being added, the consequences coming out to Chinese was that the stand facing each other between China mainland and China Taiwan, and till now, still the same situation by no means changes despite of the mutual communication and cooperations in terms of the economy, science, culture, etc, what caused such a badly outcome? The intervention of America, and even now, Ameica still NOT stop supporting and providing the advanced military forces and equipments as backup to Taiwan intending to against China, that’s what I hate the Americans, not all, but those who involved in or tended to this cases, I believe lots of Americans are very kind out of the natural humanity, but why still some of them are so interested in the interference of other countries, and here, I’d like to tell all of you evil Americans who want to separate Taiwan from China as an independent country or taking over by the third pary should never be happened forever, had been in the past, and in nowdays, and in the future, Taiwan should always belonging to China from head to foot, from ancient times to the present, to all the times, and each one or country with the malevolent schemes to destroy or disrupt the dominion and territory integration of China should be deemed to death, and condemned by justice and moral. I really hope that Taiwan will come to China asap.
In present situation America will not fight a war with China, it will be suicidal for America as its occupied in Afghanistan and Iraq wars and they are finding it very tough going again insurgences’ let alone fighting a war against a country like China.
Americans probably have most sophisticated weapons which may achieve quick initial successes but a prolong war could a bloody and Chinese have better sprits and courage to take the America on.
Remember wars are fought and won on front line and by not easting big pizzas or burgers……….
@DELA
I can’t stand it! This fellow is funny…
I think you are one tiny group of people feels jealousy and hatred toward China. I don’t know for what reasons, however, grow up and get real, buddy. Your said is very much like measuring to your country military strength. And some Vietnamese even dare to say they knows about the Chinese thought??? Come on! That’s was a bunch of baloney. Bullshit! Who thought you how to fight/repel the US during Vietnam War? Who aided your militants no matter how hard the situation was still supplying you strategies, weapons and soldiers? No gratefulness but stab from behind? This is truthful nature of all Vietnamese? Poor China, you helped the wrong side.
And most importantly, I am willing to share with you the Chinese like to reserve their true strength. I wouldn’t say all, but at least most of the Chinese won’t teach you all they knew or learnt. This is the nature of the Chinese people.
All I can say is… Don’t fall prey to one of the “classic blunders”… “Never fight a land war in Asia.”
Yoyo@, not exactly, it depends, if he or she wants you to know about something, then you will be told, by contrast, you won’t.
I don’t understand why those Yankees tends to insult Chinese. They thought they are the most beautiful kind. Kiss my ass goodbye! Not anymore, Yanks. We, Chinese are getting charmer and charmer than we were. What should I call it? Yes. Evolve. Can’t you see the differences to our faces and heights?
@Foxtail,Tiffany i truly agree that yes we have low quality weapons like people say us:” got quantity no quality” but like Foxtail said we have more patience and how we live through 8 years of japan occupation. US and CHINA are friends. CHINA will NEVER attack any country like HU JINTAO said ” our military is only for defence” that means we will never attack any country unless they attack us. We only pray for peace not fights. Like Foxtail said we are unbreakable when we are united.
In my opinion there will mostly be a war . Not against china and USA, but white people and asians. In my country Singapore , even Chinese look down on Chinese , they salegirl fawn over the whites , and ignores us Chinese . With such racism , war MAY happen in the near future . The whites have been ruling earth for millennias, it’s about time the leadership change . Unless an Aliens invasion happens and force us to sort out out differences and to unite , with such racism , either a military or economic war will happen , and looks to me the Chinese might win. Just my opinion.
#Tiffany… Hi Tif.. I am Chinese I have living, educated, and working in U.S. for 30 years. After I had spend few hours to read all those comments, and your the “ONLY” chinese girl stand behind all chinese. And I am proud of that… so I own you a word “THANK”
AS far as China vs the US, it depends on when it happens, the first move by the US would be to move its naval assets into the area and blockade China, China knows this is their Achilles heel because they by sea they import close to 70% of their food and oil and are a major export driven economy. Meaning the US could simple strangler them, it wouldn’t take more than 6 months for them to start running out of food and fuel. I don’t know what they would do, but I guarantee you they would quickly invade somewhere to gather those resources. Also most of you may not know this but China is smarter than you think, they are assessing what advantages we have and trying to neutralize them, this is the list of targets the Chinese will hit to level the paying field; #1 cyber attack, disrupt our internet that will cause chaos in our markets, banking, comms, commerce transportation, you name it. #2. Destroy our satellites, many of the advantages particularly military are because of our military’s abilities to gather intel (spy), communicate and coordinate combat information, this is because of satellites, #3. Our aircraft carriers and blue water navy, because this fight would be in the south Pacific our first move would be to mobilize our massive naval advantage on them, this centers around our carries, the Russians and Chinese have been putting allot of effort into what are called carrier busting missiles, missiles so fast known of our defenses can shot them all down, and with such a yield and kinetic energy they can in a single missile hit destroy an entire carrier, this would in essence keep our carries and aircraft at arms length. #4. Target and in some cases invade out geo locations we can fight from South Korea, Taiwan, Japan. The first 2 I think they would invade, Japan they would just beat the crap out of due to the difficulty in launching amphibious assaults, Japan just isn’t worth it, they want Taiwan bad, so in their eyes Taiwan is. Now what many of you don’t know is that the US is already working on things to counter these counter measures by the Chinese, for example, 2 of the most secretive programs running right now are the stealth combat drones (many believe one was involved with the Bin Laden raid) and the other is a mini unmanned space shuttle loaded with spy sensors, comms, and in the future weapon systems) that we know is currently being tested, one landed from being in space for 3 months. The stealth drones would be launched from carriers far beyond any land based missile range, and the mini shuttles are basically mobile satellites on steroids that cannot be tracked and essence shot down.
im a citizen of china im just studying in sg
For the record let me state that I think people in the US that feel threatened by the huge military buildup the Chinese started about 10 years ago need to get a life. As an American and former Navy guy I fully expect China to build its muscles to match its economy, they are simply just trying to protect their own interest, the US did the same thing 100 years ago as it became a bigger player on the world stage both economically and politically, it built its military up to be able to protect its growing interest. They are good people and their not looking for a fight. I would like to see it without bloodshed become a democracy one day, where people are protected by rights as they are in the US, which we thought was going to happen prior to the Tienanmen Sq. massacre. I do want to say one thing on that, what kind of government, military, general and soldier kills their unarmed people. I can tell you as a American vet, having dozens of family members that have served, having served with 1000’s, if anyone in the US military got orders to kill at their own fellow citizens, we would all have a united “GO F**K YOURSELF”, as that would never happen in the US. Democracy has its flaws, but every human i think is born with the natural desire to be free.
RUSCH..Oh yes that would happen in America also.Do you remember the shooting of anti Vietnam war protesters there.
There is a big difference between riot police killing some protesters verses the systematic orders to contain and murders 1000’s of peaceful protesters in China, to connect the 2 is pulling straws. In any country the US included you have situations that get out of control, over zealous officers, and abusive police, in most these cases in western countries death tolls are a few poeple, on rare occasions 50 or so. But comparing that to the direct order from a brutal government that gives very little rights to its people (in comparison to ours) and massacres 10,000’s with tanks, your nuts!
Hang on I forgot one thing, THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE!, we may not be perfect and our government may be as time goes on less and less for the people (as we say here), but as far as our military goes, its all us, it is the peoples army, we would never in mass follow orders to kill our own people, EVER, I have friends that are now wearing stars on their shoulders, I have cousins serving now, you don’t know what your talking about and I take offense that anyone would ever suggest the US military would harm its own people. I would go on to say that most our allies militaries are the same. Were not perfect but we fight for our people , not our governments.
The national guard as far as I know are military so you are being a little disingenuous with your attempt to blame others.Anyhow lets take your claim that the US military would not harm its own people at face value however dubious the claim.But it has no problem slaughtering,raping, and torturing foreign peoples…why is that?You say your military fights for “your people” not your goverment.So how did “your people” get into a fight with peasants living in nipa huts in the jungles of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia and with camel herders in the deserts of Iraq etc that then required you to go and fight for them….stupid american tourists perhaps,best to bar them from ever leaving the US in that case.
I have been reading recent comments with great deal of interest. I am happy to speak my mind. China and America are two very different people, different cultures, in different part of world. What suits American people may not be necessarily suited to the Chinese people as both countries have different ways of lives?
China may not be quite a strong as the USA but China is also well respected worldwide as they do not interfere in other countries internal affairs by threatening, bullying, harassment and invasions.
Quite frankly America is probably the most hated country on plant, but what is saving their face is the Black President Barack Obama.
Americans are always quick to pick faults and talk about other countries Human Rights record and never look at their weakness and racist society where Black people of African American origin are dealt much harshly by their judiciary system and much higher percentage of Black people are executed per their population percentage and if any country mentions that to USA then they will be intimidated, threatened and told mind their own business.
I will conclude by give my sound advice to America by suggesting that you must learn to listen, respect other people and countries as equal partners to win some credibility and good luck……………
This war WILL happen.
China has been waiting for this war to occur since long. They teach their students to fight against the USA in their military service.
Who will win?
It depends on one’s point of view :
-More chinese than americans will die, therefore USA wins
#OR#
-USA will never be able to occupy or fight a long lasting war with china as it did in Iraq or Afghanistan, therefore China wins.
This war will also trigger the WW3 :
-USA will be busy with China
-Iran will help China and attack Israel
-Arabs will attack Israel and Iran
-Japan and S Korea will attack China
-N Korea helps China
-China takes Taiwan
-Pakistan and India will fight
-NATO will not help USA
-but some EU allies will fight, and Australia might help aswell
-Russia will help the winning side (if theres one), or might just watch everyone kill each other so they can be the lone superpower.
-There will be fights in African fronts
-The safest place will be South America
-World Economy will be ruined
-I dont think Nukes will be used, but If they are, the whole world will be inhabitable due to Nuclear Winter.
-The new world superpower will be Brazil
If there is outbreak of war between US - China.The scape-goats will be India and PAKISTAN.In some case US will first try to disintegrate China by taking advantage of Pro Democracy Movement along with Pro Tibet.There are Chances Of China to be a country split like USSR.Democracy has influenced more than communists theory because of Liberty.If China does give max liberty to its citizen..It will be difficult for China to fight a war with US allied forces,If its not united.Growing frustration is overseen by Chinese Govt.Most of The Chinese settled abroad do not wanna go back.
USA would not win if she decided to declare war with China. Neither one will win for sure. None of the US ally will aid her due to it’s notorious background (initiate a war without reason). Let the US to be isolated and ponder it’s donkey act (offenses).
Lets make this succinct.
Never underestimate your opponent. Both sides.
Better to walk away…
It still cracks me up when ignorant Americans think all Chinese people are 5 foot 2 little midgets because the only ones they’ve come in contact with are southern chinese people that make up 95% of American chinese. Just realize that China is a vast land and middle/northern Chinese are over 6 feet tall on average. It’s like comparing swedens to italians. Stop being obtuse.
Some people they thought they know about Chinese. In fact, they know nothing about China and underestimated the Chinese. How much do you know about Chinese? None. Nil. Zero. China has learnt a lot from the ex-soviet and Chinese are looking ways to dismantle or abrogate whoever country is trying to threaten, snarl, or even mess with China. Chinese are fast learners’ and they will beat you really hard once you are inattentive. Indians have misjudged us Chinese. Indians fellows always holding the wrong attitudes with wrong answers, wrong ideas, and wrong perceptions about China. This is pathetic and seriously, it could jeopardize the relationships between China and India.
@mike
“It still cracks me up when ignorant Americans think all Chinese people are 5 foot 2 little midgets because the only ones they’ve come in contact with are southern chinese people that make up 95% of American chinese.”
Hey! Come on. Even southern territories Chinese are big guy too (many grow 6 foot or above). You must be northern Chinese because most of the northern/middle/eastern Chinese are naive and stubborn. Don’t be ignorant too.
No time no comments!
I am busy in school-working recently.
Here i read most recently comments made by some people, and something proved to be dogmatic and ridiculous, but some is good and acceptable. for some words that Taiwan would be the ally of USA, this is definitely ridiculous and absurd, no evidence showing that Taiwan would be your America’s, and never. this is a hypothesis without justification, I’d like to tell you all American, all the people around the world, Taiwan is for China, and she is one of the unseparatable parts of China all along. no single one or organization or country in the earth can disunite Taiwan from China, then just go away and do your own businesses in which only you can do and need to do, that’s all. China will fight against anyone without compromise who holds the intention making independence of Taiwan from China, and make no commitment of military abjuration for such cases.
The other thing I need to confirm here is the state system, for the USA and most of countries are the capitalist nation, and for China and a small parts of countries are socialism nation, and corresponingly, two or more political parties holding and managing the countries for the former, and only communist party holding and managing the countries in the latter. And I read a book about the Marxism Theory Introduction, and Marx introduced lots of theories and ideas about the human and social development, and the world’s origin, but one thing described in the book is always confusing me a lot, It states that the social development and human being evolvement process, as the primitive society, Then slave society, and feudal society, and then capitalist society, and to be advanced, as socialist society, and finally, to be the most advanced state—communist society. For this logic analysis, then communist society is the best state in the world for human being. However, currently, and just a simple example, US is the capitalist society,, and for China, is the socialist society, then China’s social state is higher and superer than America’s, and if so, why doesn’t America choose the socialist society for the people? And as the Marx theory also declares that the countries who carry out the capitalism system will be the relationships between exploitation executer and exploitation taker. as the capitalist is the executer, and the normal people is the taker, in this case, why so many american still love their capitalism society? Not try to go to the socialist society? As the Marx theory also declares that the socialist society is a state which has no exploitation, no discrimination, no classes hierarchy, and implementing the basci economic system of socialist public ownership, not the capitalist economy as private ownership system. seems upon this analysis, that China’s economy system also is better than America’s, however, if there is exploitation between capitalist and employees, and that capitalists get lots of surplus values from employess based on their employed labour force, why shouldn’t America choose the socialism as China does? And from the Book wrote by Marx, we can see lots of advantages and advancement that Socialism than Capitilism, why so many countries still choose the “Lower” one? Don’t they know about the state system development? And for the communist society, it is the society with the distribution per needs, and the highest productivity, and the most optimistic allocation of resources, then proved to the best and ideal society for human being, and all the capitilism will go to communism as Marx declared, and with so many words in comments, I only want to ask Americans or any people from the capitalist societies, the socialist society is better and more advanced than capitalist society, why shouldn’t your government still choose the latter? And so less countries as China did choosing the former? Will or Can USA and the like countries go to Communism one day?
Someday into the future, I hope we can all look back and see how much of fools we were thinking of ways to kill each other and spending billions, maybe even trillions on destructive weaponry that would only jeopardize our species survival as well as our planets, while we could have spend that much money on research like on how to cure cancer. Like seriously, this world could use some more kindness and love, rather than hatred and destruction. I don’t know about you, but I would rather want my children’s children to live down in peace and in a beautiful world preserved and nurtured by our own generation and not having to put on a gas mask or fear that it will be their last day alive everytime they walk out the door.
You know what, this is pointless. We all want peace but that’s obviously impossible, as there’s still morons who think a war with China would be easy or think that the US is filled with mindless ignorant fat (you get the point) people. Looking way far back into the comments, people like “Only the Facts” could use a little education, and it’s mostly these people that cause a civil discussion to turn into some hate based comments. Enough said for now, as I am tired, but my point is, lets think about how to save our planet and help people in need, rather than trying to kill each other. That’s all I’m gonna say now, and I hope that some people can at least get rid of their hate towards other nations and people.
I get what #Fusion was saying but we are talking about humans here…since our inception in this beautiful planet the agenda here were always to take from my neighbors, to be ahead of the joneses, to be ahead of rest. If history tells us anything we are a parasite species; we are a type that likes to kill, likes to hate and wants to take everything for his or herself. We live off the resources of this planet and we bring nothing in return but total destruction. We go in to one beautiful place or thing or relationship and we somehow find a way to make it ugly, destroy it and totally devour it in the end. I guess war happens because its the way mother earth cleanse its self out. Depending on what you believe in, war could be looked at as something of a divine intervention. It’s sad to think that it is the only way left to reduce the number of hatred, evil, and greed in the face of this planet but it really looks like there is no other options. Humans just like other top of the food chain animals are territorial creatures, the only thing animals have better going than us is that they do not have greed as much as we all do.
War happens before peace can be achieved. Think of it as your computers re-start button….when your system slows down, hit restart and then keep on going. Its life!
Why War? Where Is The Love?
Well, this is a very ambiguous state of mind, that both parties will go the word called “war.”
And we do not know what will be happened next.
The answer is yes, possible for war.
The Bible said in book of (Mathew 24:7) ” For the nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom and there will foods shortages and great earthquakes after one place another.
8. All these things are a beginning of a pangs of distress.
So this is a “Liberal” blog?
By current American standards, perhaps that’s considerg that is Nixon was alive today he would be classified as a Socialist.
I am Taiwanese and I think:
If China wins, then I will call myself Chinese since it’s cool to be the same ethnic group as the no 1 power.
If China loses, China will be democratic enforced by the Americans, which isn’t so bad.
So either way, I am happy.
But I am too smart to join the military to fight for a particular government, Let the patriotic from the both sides kill each other, ill dink my coca cola and play ps3 at home with AC on in my basement somewhere in New Zealand. Darwinianism teaches the fittest survives, and in this case, the most unfit species is the one that wants to go to a war.
just kidding haha
I do not very agree with the point that # 228 told for the words “If China loses, China will be democratic enforced by the Americans, which isn’t so bad”. not exactly, if China wins, not only the democratic enforced by Americans, but the people, the chinese people, they will the slaves of the Americans also, and will be sufferred from rapes and Massacre, it is even terrible enough to have an image of this!
I do not very agree with the point that # 228 told for the words “If China loses, China will be democratic enforced by the Americans, which isn’t so bad”. not exactly, if America wins, not only the democratic enforced by Americans, but the people, the chinese people, they will the slaves of the Americans also, and will be sufferred from rapes and Massacre, it is even terrible enough to have an image of this!
that # 228 told for the words “If China loses, China will be democratic enforced by the Americans, which isn’t so bad”. not exactly, if China loses, not only the democratic enforced by Americans, but the people, the chinese people, they will the slaves of the Americans also, and will be sufferred from rapes and Massacre, it is even terrible enough to have an image of this!
people here a talking a lode of shit and its funny reading some of the post of some of the redneck warmongers from the states who think that the U.S is the best at everything that is a joke! The truth is that the western world is in fear of china and that they may take over the world as the new superpower and the the western worlds most powerful nation witch is the U.S will have to fight to keep the power but in the end we will all lose we should not fear the Chinese we should respect them and their way of life and in doing that we will enrich all our lives.
I’m Chinese living in American all my life. I’m just saying their ain’t going to be a war and if so it happens….I’m MOVING.
hey back to the topic. the thing is china would have a problem feeding its people if the US and china go into a war the US is and has been the largest grain producer for the past 114 years. number two is russia and china is not very fond of russia eaither. becuase china posses a great threat to russias already weakning economy. And not to mention china would be facing the rest of the west i.e the eu. so the likly hood of a china vs US war is unlikly becuase well the US would not just attack china for no reson we would fist need an act of aggresion from the China first. And we all Know what happens then you have the full fleged US ageinst china you dont want that were the most head strong people on earth and have far more political reach then china a war with china means a world war it means the eu, all of north america , russia and even india vs china and north korea. countrys wont be able to stay nutral becuase well if you havent noticed The US is kinda a bully when it comes to the world stage i.e so is russia. you dont want to have the full abilty of the west and russia agenst you just not a good move and china knows it.
I want the people who say that it is a joke that we ( the US) think we are unbeatable to read my comment. The media says these things the people of the US couldn’t speak loud enough for everyone to hear them. The media can. We as all of America as a whole do not think we are unbeatable in no way shape or form. We are good at what we do yes but no one is unbeatable. If it is anyone on hear saying someone is unbeatable it is you all on hear saying that china is. No one, I repeat no one is unbeatable yea that means u china we of America have something to fight for not saying that china doesn’t but we are in a democracy and have more to fight for. If this war ever took place America would win I don’t care what any one says. I am a member of the US NAVY and proud of it. Even in the navy we still hear about the US vs china. I get to see my family very seldom. All of u saying that US would lose I want u to let what I’m about to say sink in. When I talk to my family through a web cam on my laptop I cry thinking if something was to happen to me and my kids grow up with out a father. Now I can’t tell u somethings about the navy because they are classified but are telling me that if this war did occur and they sent me and other navy members to war with china that I would just lay down and die. Then just wish my kids the best of luck why hell
Sorry for post the last comment to early but as I was saying, I’m not going to lay down for the Chinese and just leave my wife and kids I’m going to fight to the very end. And it is not just me that thinks like this it is every single person fighting for America now if u have every American fighting to keep there families safe then the Chinese have a fight on there hands.
The only recent “war” (military vs military) you can attribute a testimate to the US military’s strength is the initial Iraq war to overthrow Saddam and his military. That’s the only “military” (not unidentifiable guerillas sapping the US military for a decade with EODS and suicide bombers). The US won that war and was rolling tanks into Baghdad within a few days of start. Given, some of the army surrendered (because they knew they were screwed) the US military tackled what military they had with virtually no casualties.
hahahahhaha i love reading peoples comments……..sooo much. option 1: nuclear warefare: both countries radio-active wastelands…..the urban living will be like it was 300 years ago…
naval warefare: this would take up 2/5 of the war time most likely 1-2 years of naval conflict. both countries would have won and lost many battles. i say america would just win the naval battle with their submerines and carriers. china….how else can i say this…
american technology is way better than chinese..well not way better but it definetley has an edge. what next.. oh yeah air force. (no offence to chinese ppl nut america would kick ass in the skys). period.
conventional war: long long war 5-6 or more years but in the end long story short america wins.
New topic: what do you think if china and the USA are friends? My answer is: the happy ending!
I aint trippin about how many chinese there are cause theyre all around 4 foot
American wasted billions of dollars to invent malfunctioned scrap metals like F-22 Raptor. They were spending more than double or triple the cost, takes longer time compare to other country, Russia and China for examples. Still, not so effective and efficient as expected, the results are disappointed. Americans were just lucky enough to capture information and knowledge of military technology, aerospace technology(rocket propulsion;V2 rocket) from Nazi Germany. Russians also benefited in terms of technology after Nazi Germany lost in WW2. By comparison, Russians military technology are far better than the Americans, but the problem is the Russians were lack of funds to further succeed their military technology build-up. The United States of Americans have accounted the three advantages of timing, geographical and coincidence(WW2) only. But, the world/situation has turned upside down, or better known as changing.
Its naive to believe a direct military war between China and the United States could be won by either side. As military annalist of 7 years, I can promise you that neither country would be able to walk away from it with any sense of normality. The most likely chance of a China V. US war would be between India and Pakistan, and even then it would more than likely end up looking like the Korean War, or Vietnam. In which neither side actually fought the other directly, but supplied assistance to their ally. That is the most likely case of a China/US war.
The idea of another world war being sparked is complete ludicrous, even with the aggressive tendencies of both China and US, neither of them are interested in conflict with the other, only maintaining control of the portions of the world they feel they are entitled too. As we saw during the Iraq war, (from a US perspective) the french didn’t support us because the french had contracts with the Iraqi government, so they saw the US invasion as a threat to a source of their perceived property.
The biggest reason the likelihood of a China/US war is simply that it would not be fought like wars of the past. It would not be to occupy or even defeat, it would be to destroy. It would be to remote the other’s economic, military, and political influence from the planet, and that would mean a massive nuclear war. A war that wouldn’t just see China and the US firing nukes, you would see all nuclear NATO nations involved. Like previous world wars, it would not just be a two sided conflict, a war between China and the US would have huge impacts on Venezuelan and Brazil relations which in this perfect storm that would result in a major conflict. The middle east would erupt violently, with the US no longer able to protect Isriel, there would be no reason for Saudi Arabia to maintain peace. This isn’t a black and white issue, like a game of chess, the definitive “I win you loose” would not be know for many years, and the cost to both property, human life, and the environmental impacts would ensure that nobody wins.
Einstein said it best, when he said, “I don’t know what weapons they will use to fight the third world war, but the forth will be fought with bows and arrows.” A war between any major super power, (and no the US is not the only super power) would be horrendous for the world.
Do you people read? China has never been an expansive imperialist nation?? How about the past 5,000 years, give or take. They have historically had empires that rivaled ancient Greece and Rome. It is in the past few hundred years that they are trying to reclaim their world status. War is unfortunately a reality that has shaped human existence. While I agree that America has put its nose in many places it doesn’t belong, don’t come on here with your half-cocked, ignorant arguments about peaceful China vs. aggressive U.S. You make yourself look stupid by telling history according to what you learned in a school (assuming that you went to one) that was probably subsidized by the U.S. We would do best just to completely sever foreign relations and be completely isolationist, tell the world to go f&#k itself, and take care of ourselves. We could be self-sufficient. How about your nation? We give more in humanitarian aid than anywhere else, yet we are still the most hated. If we just stuck to ourselves for many years, maybe you ungrateful ass^$#es would all just kill each other off. But, we could not be that lucky. And btw, to the Socialist prick that stated the GDP assumptions for the U.S. against the EU, EU GDP is 16.282 Trillion (U.S. dollars), the U.S. is 15.227 Trillion (U.S. Dollars). That is only 6% higher. Now bear in mind that is 27 countries vs. 1, and the U.S. doesn’t even possess half the population of Europe. What do those economic #’s look like now? I see why some rogue people broke away from Europe and it’s Socialist mentality 235 years ago. Not only are you skewed about your sense of right and wrong, but you are severely deficient in history, math, and finance as well!! China would still be wading in the rice patties if the U.S. hadn’t lifted the trade embargo on them under Nixon. We are too nice for our own good. I say we stop telling everyone what to do, but at the same time, completely put trade to a halt with all of you. We have enough resources to survive, we can even turn wheat and corn into fuel. Can any of the OPEC nations drink oil? How many nations would survive when they lost the #1 buyer and consumer of their products? The U.S. is #1 because it should be. We need to stop supporting others at our own peril!
How embarrassing. Does the world really think that every American is just like the Pigs in the White House? It is a very different reality we live here in the so called land of the free. These blathering idots do NOT represent the USA. We want PEACE! Chest banging is rediculous and SO telling of the issuer’s general intelligence. How dare you misrepresent what is only yours by the grace of the good tax payers in this country. Shame on YOU!
Wait…wasn’t it “Freedom from Taxation” that brought us here in the first place? See? Its as big a mess from the inside as it is from the out. Shut up, sit down and gather your senses. If ANYTHING happens between these two countries the entire GLOBE LOSES! Wise up Human Beings… It is only one rock we all live on.
I’d like to apologize on behalf of all of the Ultra-nationalist Americans that have commented on this.
We aren’t all like them. They really give us a bad name.
A war with China? No thanks. The only way we’d win that is if we had the rest of the world on our side (UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, need I go on?) A lot of my fellow Americans are overconfident since we are brought up to believe that our military is some unstoppable killing machine. Media is to blame for my countrymen’s ignorance.
It would be a stupid mistake for both countries, we depend so much on China but China does not have the trained troops like us. Both economies will go down leading to other major countries who depend on China and us will also lose a lot of major trading posts. Only if China attacked us first or harmed an ally of ours would we fight them. It would end up like a blood bath, a lot of people would die for an outcome of no apparent winner. It could end up in nuclear weapons, which could kill every single person on the face of the earth.
I think you need to update yourself because China troops are well-trained. The US tends to wage war against weaker countries does not mean that the US troops are better than others. As you said, economically China and the US are interdependence to each other. It is very true if they both go to war, certainly, it will be madness and the consequences are unpredictable.
Yoyo is right. Most American commenters here, as well as Aby, missed a very crucial part of the picture. A war between China and United States would have a theater that includes their civilian territories. This is where the Chinese would be able to inflict far more damage than the United States can.
Contrary to the wet dream of some American commenters here, a war between the US and China isn’t what they’d watch and enjoy as a prime time show on TV; but a war that would have them running for cover - from the nuclear and conventional strikes on their homes. It would be as real as the Iraq war was for the Iraqis and the Vietnam war was for the Vietnamese. Given that the average American has no stomach of a life of wartime hardships and life without material comforts (vis. a vis. the Chinese who have seen it all), they would collapse the moment one of their cities gets vapourised. It does not matter how many nukes a country has; unless the people have the resilience to keep fighting as millions of their countrymen get obliterated, they cannot win a war. This is where the Chinese would score over the Americans. The Vietnamese won the war in 1970 on the same concept, the moment the bodybags started pouring in by the hundreds, the public morale and support of the war evaporated. The Japanese will to continue their imperial ambitions disappeared once two of their cities were obliterated.
Although the US and China are some of the biggest powers on our earth, they’re not much compared with the whole of the earth and its countries.
So assuming the worlds other countries didn’t wuss out and took one side of the other, who do you think would side with who?, I reckon the EU would side with the US, giving them a fairly technologically advanced military ally, and if the EU sided with them as might India, which I understand to have good political connections with Europe. India is particularly important as it’s one of the few countries to have a population that begins to rival China’s.
I suppose the majority of other Asian countries would side with china, except south Korea and possibly Japan, as well as Russia due to both countries communist ties, and Russia is another fairly powerful country.
However I claim to be no expert on international politics, so what does everyone else think?
To all my fellow Americans, your ignorance, and lack of facts sheds a bad light on our nation. It is what gives the world the image of ignorant, and dumb Americans. You are the reason that our nation is slowly losing its position in the world and losing allies. The United States has gotten too overconfident in its power, and needs to stop policing the world. All the recent conflicts that the United States has been involved in have been mistakes. We need to simply mind our own business and stop flexing our military might. The United States prospered the most when it focused on isolationism, and was hesitant to get involved in conflicts. We have gotten too big for our pants. The Americans on this forum have had biased, ignorant, and hostile comments towards those of other nationalities, and to those of other countries I apologize for my countrymen. Please understand that there are a lot of good American people, and Americans are not all ignorant. As far as a war between China and the United States goes….I think a war between China and the United States is highly unlikely as they are interdependent on each other, China being the producer, and the United States being the consumer. Excluding the involvement of Nuclear weapons (neither country would want to destroy the world) war in a theatre outside of the two nations would be a close call. For the United States Navy and Air Force is more powerful then China’s, and would compensate for America’s lack of a large Army with it’s aerial and naval support. As far as an invasion from the United States….China’s massive ground forces, air defenses, and more importantly nationalism amongst its people would crush any U.S invasion. If China were to invade the United States it would be difficult simply because China does not possess a strong enough Navy to transport its large army and then support it. All in all, it is unlikely the two would clash, and even more unlikely that invasions would take place.
I can’t understand why the some of the Chinsese local governments are so^^^^^ corrupted!!! If you live in China as a minority among 50races for 20 years, you American will really know how the Han Chinese Government sucks our minority money and how to repress us.
First of all, Chinese government say they give minority, for instance, XinJIang, YanBian, the self-governing right, but actually the top leader in every single soil of the minority local government is Han Chinese. Furthermore, Chinese Law is very strange, it seemed to be very fair, but actually if you are a governor even in a very small institute runned by the so called communists, you can get all kinds of bribes freely and break the law freely unless you killed someone, sometimes a governor can be very arrogant by beating someone freely or crushing a civilian’s car freely on the street. I don’t mean every governor, I mean many many those governors here in China yet to be punished.
But HuJIntao and central government is good, they care about the poor people, but I can’t understand why Chinese local governers only care about their own benefit but not the civilians!!!! And some Chinese say they hate US, Ok, then why you struggle to death to learn Chinese style-English from primary school and using western creation- computers, automobiles, apartment, hamburgers, coffee,,, and millions of american style stuffs.
HAVE YOU SOME CHINESE EVER TOUGHT A FACT THAT 80% of what you are following is Western Culture??????
I can’t understand why Chinese population are so big, why government does not strictly restrict its growth and prevent the environment damage because of the population. Still rich people in China can have more than 2 kids by paying money and 15billion in the future could be more….
And most of Chinese believe Buddhism, the dragon and strong culture of Han Chinese based on Dragon and Buddhism and other thing…. that’s why Han Chinese think Buddhism is God.
So please my American friends, don’t fight with Han Chinese government, because one day our real God will judge everybody on earth who surpress innocent civilians in China and send those people without justice in China to H E L L!!! SO JUST WAIT!!! ( except good han chinese and Christians in China ).
But don’t forget Chinese 4 great inventions
1. compass
2.gunpowder
3.papermaking
4.printing
I know Chinese Ancient good people are smart and they are brave.
Talking about war, Mao won Japanese and Americans in NK, because Mao’s armies at that time were brave and smart, but how about now? some people say they can win a war against Americans, but if there are a war between China and America, China will lose it. Not because of China is weak, but China’s biggest enemy is not gun, but her weakest point is the 14billion people and these people now want peaceful life but not any kind of war and Chinese army has not any experience since worldwarII, but Americans are different, Americans experienced lots of disasters of war. This is fact.
But these are not the main fact China will lose the war, the main reason is now the mind of Chinese is completely affected by the CAPITALISM. it means most Chinese now only cares about his family’s lives but not the country as they did in Mao’s day. In Mao’s day, nobody can defeat China, not because of the number of people, but because of the “mind- COMMUNISM”. COMMUNISM UNITED THEM OF MAO’S, but now?? Based on my long life in China, the real communism of MAO can’t be found and civilians are happy if government treat them well, but if not give them enough money to live, they strongly oppose the government, in Mao’s time, people were different, people didn’t care about money, they only care about Mao’s COMMUNISM and their beliefs in this country. But Now???? many Chinese immigrate to the other countries of Capitalism because main reason is they found Capitalism can give them more money. So people now in China only care about the money, but country or Communism, they lose interest in it. So if there are a war, Chinese civilians will surely not unite as they did in Mao’s time but opposes the government although they will blame united sates, but they will blame China more and say “why have a war against US and we die because of it, we lose the goooood modern live now!!!” So there will be a CIVIL WAR IN CHINA and by this chance the other minority races like Tibet will run out of this country or maybe oppose communism.
it’s impossible 14 billions people unite at war. So CIVIL WAR- happens.
So the result- disasters happen in China.
But there won’t be a war between these two countries.
And PLEASE DON’T KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE IN BIBLE GOD TELL US - NEVER KILL PEOPLE.
THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS RIGHT TO KILL IS LORD. OBAMA IS A GOOD PERSON. BUSH IS MONSTER. HUJINTAO IS A GOOD PERSON. PEOPLE LOST THE JUSTICE IN THE WORLD, SO GOD PLEASE GIVES JUSTICE TO THIS CRAZY WORLD!!!
REMEMBER, DON’T KILL SOMEONE if he or she does not try to kill you.
Since all of you intelligent yaps across the pond think you know it all, let me remind you of a few things. If it was not for the United States all of you would be speaking German right now. If it was not for the United States fighting in Iraq and Afgan the terror level in your weak countries would be through the roof. So before you are so fast to put down the US let me remind you if it was not for the United States you would not, Ill repeat would not have a tenth of the rights you have today.
@Mr KoreanChinese
Some points you have brought up, I have to oppose them, particularly, ” Not because of China is weak, but China’s biggest enemy is not gun, but her weakest point is the 14billion people and these people now want peaceful life but not any kind of war and Chinese army has not any experience since worldwarII, but Americans are different, Americans experienced lots of disasters of war. This is fact.”
Chinese have experienced many kinds of war since ancient times. There were many bitter memories they do not want to remember them, civil wars for example. Needless to say, Chinese are born to be warriors since ancient times, they are good in weapons either the past or the modern weapons. No misunderstand, I did not mean Chinese are warlike, Chinese actually are peace-lovers, but are a little self-fish. One of the most famous and unforgettable true stories is the “Romance of three Kingdom”. Even the Japanese and Koreans loved the story and are able to name the characters easily. I think I do not want to mention them, but I still did because Chinese have gone through many uncountable hard times, which I am unable to describe them not to say during in the WW2. Do you think only the Americans were experienced many wars? The Americans are not as expertise as the Chinese when dealing/adapt in all kinds of battles or disasters. The Chinese are unlike the Americans, they have rich combat experienced in flesh and blood fight in majority of wars, whereas the Americans relying on heavy air-strike and new weapons trial-research on other weaker countries.
Such devastating war won’t and shouldn’t ever happen! It will be the end of mankind on earth…The Armageddon comes true!
As long as the global Anglo-American financiers do not lose their common senses and become mad in their attempts to dominate the entire world incl. China as in the globalist agenda: New World Order (aka. One World Nation), such crazy suicide move won’t ever happen!!!
Read below books to understand the world affairs in the last two centuries:
- None Dare Call It Conspiracy (1971) - Gary Allen
- The New Babylon (2009) - Michael Collins Piper
- Fearful Master - A Second Look at the United Nations (1964) - Edward Griffin
- The Rockefeller File (1976) - Gary Allen
- Crossing the Rubicon; The Decline of the American Empire at the End of Age of Oil (2004) - Michael C. Ruppert
- Tragedy And Hope: A History Of The World In Our Time (1966) By Carroll Quigley
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“The Nomadic Parasites will shift out of London and into Manhattan. And this will be presented under a camouflage of national slogans. It will be represented as an American victory. It will not be an American victory.
Until you know who has lent what to whom, you know nothing whatever of politics, you know nothing whatever of history, you know nothing of international wrangles.” — Ezra Pound (1885–1972)
“The monopoly of money, or the restriction of its circulation, is merely a variation of this simple form of monopoly. That is all. The stupid fall into the trap. Wars are provoked in succession, deliberately, by the great usurers, in order to create debts, to create scarcity, so that they can extort the interest on these debts, so that they can raise the price of money (i.e., the price of the various monetary units controlled by, or in the possession of, the same autocrats), altering the prices of the various monetary units when it suits them, raising and lowering the prices of the various foodstuffs when it suits them, completely indifferent to the human victim, to the accumulated treasures of civilization, to the cultural heritage.” — Ezra Pound (1885–1972)
Simply put it this way, if the USA went to war with China, and it escalates into a thermal nuclear war, China would take the victory. if China kills off 400 million Americans, there wouldn’t be a person known as an American left. However if the USA kills 400 million Chinese, that leaves 800 million Chinese. Numbers DO play a major part in war.
Ok folks , reality is the illuminati control the western world and it’s the English that call the shots . And the plan is to force Iran to use its tactical nukes so we can level it . China will come to its aid and we will unleash a bio engineered race specific virus to wipe out half of china . While they are all busy attempting quarantine and dealing with mass panic we will move in and gain a foothold on there territory . U.S and U.K will surgically deal with the Chinese threat which by the way we have been preparing for since the early 1990’s if not sooner . It’s also said that Microsoft planted Trojan viruses in all Chinese operating systems just for this reason . The Chinese are arrogant ignorant foolish and dangerous . But they have not been playing the espionage game as long as us . We have already taken steps to control them many years ago . All we have to do is activate them . Silently . Remember the SARS virus ? Well that was a test run . It worked and we shut it down . But it’s ready for re activation . Have faith peeps our hidden governments have already made plans . China is screwed if it gets out of hand.
i cannot belive that you have been talking about this ridiculous non exsisent topic for nearly FIVE yrs now!
Ok, so this debate has been plagued by idiots on all sides for the most part (as to some early comments by the Brits and Canadians, as well as some Aussies,I really just want to punch their writers in the face),but to the Americans who are so idiotic as to think that we would win…go back to high school. The simple truth is that this war will NEVER happen for three reasons. The first is the concept of M.A.D(or mutually assured destruction), which is basically the fact that all life would be wiped out. So to those who believe that Russia would stand back, they wold be forced into the conflict by one side or the other, as both have the Highest economies in the world, and are basically keeping everyone afloat. This brings me to my second point, which is that the U.S is to heavily invested in China, and vice versa. No one wins. Everyone loses. The Chinese are to powerful on their own turf, as is the U.S. So everyone shut up about global war, and as for Rachel, it is still a prevalent topic today.
just got done reading 2008-2010 of this this debate lol. I havent the space nor the finger stamina to say all i want to say as an American. In reflecting on this blog it is safe to say that many of the Americans commenting here are embaressingly ignorant (And i am a 24 year old American living in Maryland). Secondly, i would guess that maybe 1 percent of the people commenting here have no military experience nor knowledge (Neither do why, which is why i will not claim to KNOW anything about this hypothetical war).
Anyway, i am a very proud American. However i am so embaressed by: 1.)George Bush’s 8 years as president and the subsiquent unjust war he initiated in Iraq. 2.)The fucking idiot Americans commenting on this thread. 3.)And a large group of Americans who are just generally stupid, close minded, biggot, ignorant idiots. (Unfortunately it is the very same group of largely conservative fuckheads who i have named in #3 who are responsible for George Bush ever gaining office).
The reason why i am so annoyed by some of my ignorant countrymen is because they help contribute to the international negative sentemint that many have towards Americans.
But for people like Henry and the many other Europeans who and their high horses. Just suck it, and suck it well. you are fully entitled to have your opinion of Americans. And perhaps you should have a negative perseption of us. But to base your arguement on the same kind of injustices that Europeans committed for thousands of years is just rediculous.
And dont think for a second that if this war happened the EU wouldnt be involved. In fact i’d even venture to say that this war wouldnt happen without EU involvement. You people claim that the Europeans are too good to enter this “war.” But this war would never even happen enless some kind of event happened that directly involved Europe. To illustrate: China invading the sovereign nation of North Korea (I’m not saying this would ever happen). However if it did happen, EU states as part of the UN or NATO would probably have no choice but to intervene in coalition with the US and many other countries. Now, if the US were to invade China for some narrow gains (would never happen in todays world because we arent stupid and we arent blood thirsty like you think) then the EU would not intervene and would be in the moral highground in not doing so.
So if China and the United States ever square off it will be as a part of a greater war (WW3) in which more countries including your beloved European ones would already be involved.
And finally in my opinion i believe the United States of America would prevale in a set peace state vs. state battle against any other one state in the world. Bringing up Iraq and Afghan. as counter arguements will fail because they were not set peice battles state vs. state, they were insurgencies. If one thing is sure, China vs. U.S.A. would not be an insurgency. It would be a war unlike anything this world has ever seen with both sides suffering massive losses. However i do believe the US would ultimately prevale do to our superior war machine.
China would win-
-Usa is not the only Super Power in this world to day. They are actually broked and had to sell there own statues to a chinese person
-Usa does spend alot of money in military which would explain why they owed so much money from china
-Usa military is base on politics and money. If china stops trading with the u.s would be a big economy demage for the u.s
- Usa only goes into a war with allies and can’t fight alone. that’s why there a coward
- They got there ass whip in Vietnam
Another fact that is a good example. look back in the korean war the U.S did go on a war and had allies from 12 different country to fight againts the chinese and N. Korea. It was pretty much 2 vs 12 .. did the usa win ? Nope N. Korea still remains to day. The Taiwan issues still remains to day, Tibet Issues still remain to day and yet the usa believes in freedom. 80% of chinese products goes to the u.s which means if china stops trading 80% of usa economy will go down
China stands absolutely no chance in a war against the US. No one cares about their 2.5 million man army. Let’s look at WW2 when the little tiny island of Japan came in and beat China like a red headed step child from 1937 til the American’s got involved in ‘41-42. The Chinese had a 3.5 million man army in WW2 and it didn’t help against the Japs. Any fight would be dictated and controlled by the US forces and while both would take losses, China would take way more. They would lose and lose badly. You start talking about nuclear war exchanges and China would be no more than a dirt pit. We have nuclear subs sitting right off their coast at any given time ready to drop nukes if they have to. You people talking about the US not having the stomach for war you better wake up. Americans go out and get it done, they are the only country in the world that can reach out and project their power the way they do on other countries lands. China doesnt even have the Navy to invade Taiwan right across the Strait from them.
This started in July of 2007, and is still going on. I like my man from Ireland, he is crazy funny at smart. BUT, War is devistating for any and all who have seen the outcome, heard the screams, smelled death. I pray each day that I may make it back home to see my loved ones. There have been a lot of opinions stated, as well as stratagies. But no one has said anything about the fears that you have when you see you buddy lying dead mangled next to you. This plays a MAJOR role on the physcological aspect of a person or persons. Who ever is prepared for it will have the better chance.
@ Henry “.Listening to Americans lecturing about “freedom” is like listening to Jack the Ripper lecturing about the right to life!”
I’m not a Afghan, just a Soldier in this country. A lot of people don’t know, but if you do some comparising, Ireland has been at war a lot longer than poeple know. Since you want to bring up the past…By 1261 the weakening of the Normans had become manifest when Fineen MacCarthy defeated a Norman army at the Battle of Callann. The war continued between the different lords and earls for about 100 years, causing much destruction, especially around Dublin.(Wikipedia)
The most recent conflict in Ireland was the Irish Troubles which lasted from 1960 to 1998.
The fighting was mostly insurgent action, mainly in Northern Ireland;(also Wikipedia)
But America is like listening to Jack the Ripper? I can go on. But I like you, just not all your comments. It leads me to believe that you think ALL Americans are the same. kinda makes you sound… ignorant.
If others look at some facts, the U.S gets pushed to the forfront of a lot of conflicts because of “It’s name” alone. The recent conflicts has been pushed by the United Nations. There are more countries over here than I can count. The same could be said when I was in Iraq. As for the people who think the US is not in Africa, think again,. The US does a multitude of great things africans are getting medical treatment that they may not have been given before. Abu grahib, Things happen, it’s unfortunate, but Soldiers everywhere past and present took war trophies or painted there victories on stone tablets. Archilies drug the body of Hector(Prince of Troy) behind his chariot to parade him around. People never change, eras do. But to everyone on this site I say be blessed and have a nice day.
@FactsOfLife
Look! World War 2 was more than 50 years ago. People have been discussing different topic on the issue between possibilities of historical or future wars head to head or indirectly involving to the US and China. Please do not mess up and twisted the facts or trying to mislead the public. China nowadays, is an emerging giant militarily or economically, she has transforming nearly to become a new superpower, sooner or later to take over the place to the US. The US is encountering downfall and will lose her domination place not only to China, but also Russia. Furthermore, China will not allow her humiliation to be repeated again once she has a second chance to take on Japan. Without doubt, the loser will be Japan for now or to the future. After the World War 2, every wars when the US has confronted with the participation of China, such as Korean War, Vietnam War and etc. The US has no way to win a war but suffered huge losses to their soldiers, morale as well as funds.
@Swainyboy
Do you think only the US has the Bio-weapons? I do remember the incident of SARS diseases massively spread wide to Asia. If like you said, the Americans were behind SARS diseases spread, obviously, this will lead to more proof on the Americans of their inhuman, black-heart evil behaviors to human society. Then the Americans have no-moral values at all in the world. They are just devils imperil the living of human-beings. An advice to you; 1) Never under-estimate your rival. 2) Never over-estimate yourself. 3) Never too early to judge or to identify a yet determine matter. I believed the Americans are not as intelligent/shrewd as the Chinese.