Can the United States Win a War Against China?
Aby July 17th, 2007
This is one topic of worldwide interest, perhaps because of the growing strength of the People’s Liberation Army of China in terms of strategic capabilities and technology. There are a lot of American and Chinese nationalists plus anti-Americans globally who like vultures (wishing for deaths), would want a war to happen. In the context of present China-US economic ties and their not-so-bad political stance, such a war is highly unlikely. However history has been evident that sudden strong political or military incidents could escalate to a war if there is no diplomatic initiative in both the sides, like the case of the first Gulf War in 1991. It would be interesting to analyse what the outcomes of such a war could be, considering the technological superiority of US military forces in total and strategic superiority of Chinese PLA in their mainland.
Chinese President Hu Jintao (left) and his US counterpart George Bush (right):Let us hope they do not think of coming to military ‘blows’
The most likely reasons for a possible US vs China war would be a US invasion of North Korea or an escalation of the Taiwan dispute. In normal cases the latter would make both countries seek an amicable diplomatic solution instead of a war which would not be worth it. The question of the PLA invading continental United States does not arise considering their lack of resources and capability for such a move. However in case of a US invasion of China’s mainland, things might have a different outcome. There are innumerable analyses and debates in the web on this subject, a lot of them propagated by nationalists who take a simplistic one track approach to explain warfare. A multi-dimensional approach encompassing historical trends coupled with available military information gives a more realistic understanding of a war scenario, rather than a simplistic one track thinking.
A look back at history of US conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo and Vietnam shows that the US conventional forces are not as invincible as some of us would like to believe. The United States won the Iraq and Afghanistan wars mainly because of a strategy of carpet bombing ground based guerillas and a complete lack of opposing air defence to stop the advance of their bombers. In both these wars the US forces were aided by local troops and a large number of nations banded with US as Coalition Forces. At the other side of the coin, an extreme overconfidence by defence analysts led to the death of 57000+ US forces in the Vietnam War without an actual military victory and a massive global political defeat. In the Kosovo Conflict, the US led NATO forces faced setbacks due to their overconfidence in technological superiority of US forces. The KLA guerillas were undermanned and with no air defence, eventually gave up the war but it revealed the inherent flaws in the US military technologies like ’stealth’ and ‘GPS targeting’.
In case of US going into war against China, it would face an exponentially worse time than it did in Vietnam or Kosovo. A US bombing strike on Chinese mainland would not only be struck down by the Chinese air defences (SAMs, etc.) but also face a full fledged counter attack from China’s PLA Air Force. The limited size of airbases in Taiwan and US would also hinder the advancing US forces while China, due to its large continental size would not face such problems. The USN and USAF have unquestionable superiority over China’s PLAN and PLAAF in technology and numbers, but it would hardly decide the outcome of a war; as China would be unlike any adversary US faced in the past. Like Kosovo, there would be a lot of surprises in store for US forces but unlike Kosovo they wouldn’t be facing 10000 disorganised ground based guerillas in China. Instead it would be a 2.5 million strong army with full fledged air, ground, sea and missile forces; all backed by a relatively stable economy and effective dispersed human intelligence (HUMINT).
A war with China would also result in severe economic repercussions for the US due to a major chunk of its economic activities on China and if the war is prolonged, the only option left for US forces would be a nuclear warfare. In the case of a nuclear first strike by US, China’s response would easily obliterate most major US cities wiping off 40-100 millions in the American mainland. The US might eventually win in a nuclear confrontation with China because of its arsenal but the effects of a nuclear war will render the American mainland into a massive scale of human waste. A war between these two countries would easily become the largest holocaust in human history with over 1 billion people eliminated which would make the World War 2 look like a picnic. An economic collapse for both US and China would be inevitable due to their interdependencies. Fortunately, most American military analysts in the United States Department of Defence are aware of the facts unlike the armchair nationalist ‘military professionals’ in online communities.
Further Information and Resources -
- China’s Military Capabilities - Commonwealth Institute
- Sino Defence - Leading Online Source of Information on China’s Military Power
- Air and Missile Campaign in Kosovo
- Military analysis (Book) on Kosovo conflict by Anthony H. Cordesman
- World Politics , Technology , Military
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I agree with the author the US military superity is only a hype to scare off weak countries. Just look at all those thousands of technologically superior force to fight against a few hundred ground forces in Kosovo and you get the picture.
Iraq is already sapping off US strength, a war with China is a nightmare come true. Wish such a thing never comes across a future president.
No country in the world can invade china. U.S won the war in Afghanistan because of help and support from its allies, otherwise it would have faced the same fate as the former Soviet Union. U.S is superpower because of its global alliance not military might.
US would win war against any country including China. Here is why -
1) The United States is the only super power
2) We spend more money in defense than total GDP of most countries
3) We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them
Chinese have large numbers of people which mean nothing, it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army. We also have stealth, their army will be screwed. We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.
@ Speaker Known -
“The United States is the only super power”
I don’t see how being a super power have a military advantage for USA against China.
“We spend more money in defence than total GDP of most countries”
Does spending more money means superior force? If that be so, India would have been the fourth most powerful military force in the world, surpassing UK and France.
“We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them.”
Wrong on both counts. Russia posesses the maximum number of nuclear warheads and it also has the most powerful nuclear bomb, the Tsar Bomba
“..it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army.”
Can you expect us to give you any credit after this?
“We also have stealth, their army will be screwed”
Conventional stealth is old technology, easy to detect by themal detectors, satellite sensing of turbulence or multiple radars. It would be a suicide to bank on stealth while invading China.
“We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.”
You didn’t have Vietnamese, Iraqi, the North Koreans os the Serbs on your side. What makes you think China will be any different?
We don’t need to invade China to win a war against them; just stop having all American goods made in China; close Wal-Mart factories there and return them to America and put the low-income Americans in need of jobs to work in factories the Chinese are getting the money for. The best revenge on a country which is threatening the U.S. like China is, is to stop manufacturing our goods there–completely.
If we closed all U.S. factories and brought them home to America where they belong, China would kiss our ass. It would alos solve the illegal immigration problem, because if we need more room for car factories, build them in Mexico over the border and put the Mexicans to work so they will stop invading us. But more important, the best weapon against China is stopping U.S. industry there and returning our products to the U.S. Let’s see how long they last without America buying from them. They’ll be back to post WWII within months and begging to apologize for their leader’s threats.
@ Lisa Richards - “…The best revenge on a country which is threatening the U.S. like China is, is to stop manufacturing our goods there–completely.”
China is nowhere close to threatening US, a lot of the anti-China hype created in the Anglo-Saxon US is based on the perceived threat that China is getting militarily powerful to counter US influence in East Asia. If we take any official or unofficial statements made by the Chinese government, there are no such threats made by China against US which are offensive in nature. Perhaps a little reading of news and references would be helpful.
@ Lisa Richards - “If we closed all U.S. factories and brought them home to America where they belong, China would kiss our ass.”
Factories are not fluid assets, you cannot simply close them and bring them to America. US companies would end up running losses if they decided to relocate to Mexico. Mexico does not have the economy and skilled cost-effective personell to support American industries. They are best as domestic help and industrial labourers in contrast to China where most of the industrial workers are qualified engineers.
@ Lisa Richards - “Let’s see how long they last without America buying from them. They’ll be back to post WWII within months and begging to apologize for their leader’s threats.”
You seem to be dimly aware of history. Post world war was one of the few times in history China was actually threatening US, mainly over Taiwan and North Korean issue. To give stronger credibility to their threat and to overcome US nuclear blackmail China went to to develop nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them in US targets. If there is any good Sino-US relations, it is at the present age which started off after US tried to improve relations with China in the 1980s to counterbalance Soviet threats in the lines of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
One has to be realistic, as far as wars go it is not a fight between machines but men. United States has one of the best air forces but it is ground combat which determine the victory. Air power only goes as much since it is not bombings or air power that take a country and to take China they’ll have to take it with ground combat. I thought there were lessons to learn from Iraq, Vietnam and Hitler’s battle of Stalingrad.
The American economy would be nowhere near collapse if it wars with China, but the Chinese economy would most certainly collapse. China has a large trade surplus with the US and that surplus accounts for a very large portion of it’s total GDP. American exports to China amounts to a very small fraction of it’s GDP. You have your facts all wrong. Additionally, the Chinese would lose their investments in U.S. government bonds if a war started, which would completely cripple that country. In terms of actual warfare, the U.S. has shown it’s strength against organized armies. Guerilla warfare is unwinnable by any country in the world, this is obvious throughout history. But barring an occupation of China, straight military to miltary conflict this is a no brainer and extremely obvious. The bulk of Chinese forces are composed of WWII and Vietnam Era hardward with only a small fraction of those forces composed of more contemporary hardware. The U.S. military on the other hand is the most advanced in the world. Additionally, the American military has a backup inventory of older jets it could easily bring back into service for such large scale conflicts. The recently decommission F-14 tomcats for example could easily take down everything but the absolute latest in Chinese airpower. Again, bulk of the Chinese airforce is composed of old Mig-19’s, Mig-21’s, and Mig 23’s, all of which are no match for even an F-14, much less F-15 or F-22. And in such a war, I doubt the U.S. would be crazy enough to try to occupy a country as big as China, it would probably just destroy it’s ability to make war, similar to the first gulf war, albeit it would take longer than 4 days, but it would not take more than a couple weeks to render China unable to wage conventional war. And believe me, without an Airforce or Navy, the Chinese will not be able to war conventional war.
@ Only The Facts - “The American economy would be nowhere near collapse if trade stops with China, but the Chinese economy would most certainly collapse……You have your facts all wrong.”
Sino-US economic import-export relations and investments government bonds represent a small part of the larger economic interdependence between these two countries. China is the last link in a long chain of value added production for the US goods and services industries due to its low cost and easy availability of skilled labour. US is able to compete and have a slight edge over EU economy at present mainly because of its cost minimisation by investments in India and China, once this disappears, EU companies will take over. Most of the US corporates invested heavily in China with at least 37% of their investments in solid fixed assets (buildings, factories,etc.), if a US-China war is to occur these companies would face the first crunch in the form of huge losses of their backbone infrastructure and cost advantage. After the war and losses, the companies would need another source of cheap labour to recoup. European Union will gain an advantage over US in such a situation as EU has East European countries with cheap labour but a bit more expensive than China due to higher exchange rates and per capita GDP (PPP). US economic analysts are aware of these facts as subsequent annual economic reports to the Congress would show. It is for these reasons that US companies keep a love-hate relationship with China’s CPC government, they do not want to risk a conflict on the issues which are not directly in consequence to their corporate interests.
A few official resources which would help you understand Sino-US economic relations -
U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission: 2006 Report to Congress
Foreign Investment In China - 2006
The US China Business Council
Concerning a military conflict on the scale of a war, the US Department of Defence is well aware of China’s strategic nuclear deterrance and the stand of PLA against US forces in a communist military model. Needless to say, US would suffer huge losses and possible defeat if they were to try an invasion of China. Wars are fought not on hardware alone but on several other important factors mainly command, control, military intelligence, surveillance, tactics, target acquisition and information. If hardware superiority were all that is required to win wars, USSR could have taken over the whole of Asia and Europe owing to its overpowering nuclear offence and defence superiority over US. A US vs China war would not be a contests between fighters like F-22s and Su-30s but a multi-dimensional US vs China conflict involving military (air force, navy, ground force, etc.), espionage, nuclear forces, infrastructure, human population and economy besides several other variables. It is very fortunate that governments and military strategists are not as short-sighted and fantasy reliant as nationalists in both these countries who would desire a war to happen.
“US vs China war would not be a contests between fighters like F-22s and Su-30s but a multi-dimensional US vs China conflict involving military (air force, navy, ground force, etc.)”
No other country on earth has shown as much success as the U.S. in terms of integrating it’s armed services into a logistical masterpiece, especially not China, which hasn’t even tested it’s armed forces in large scale conflict since the Vietnam War. Conventional war, the odds are overwhelmingly on the side of the U.S., absolutely overwhelmingly. The capacity of the current American military far surpasses that of China and American industrial might is far more powerful than that of China. Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry. Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.
I won’t want to invade China taking into account their rapidly improving military and their nuclear forces capable of striking the States. The Chinese PLAAF has numbers (largest fleet of Su 27 fighters) is rapidly trying to improve the quality of both its Air Force and Navy. With a conventional force close to US and Japan in quality and a strategic advantage in its own mainland, PLA would be a difficult force to reckon with. We may have the best force in the world but we are also known for winning a war even before it started. The mistakes in Vietnam and Korea taught is the hard way not to spit in a hornet’s nest without taking care of the potential consequences.
@only the facts
the U.S industrial machine you speak of was the strongest in the world—during WWII days. The U.S now has a $250 billion trade deficit with China, sure China needs the income from the U.S too…but in a war…China is more self reliant for its day to day operations and is likely to come out ahead in a scenario of elongated conflict.
It is also important to remember history, the Japanese in Iwo Jima lost the island to the US forces, but the victory was a very costly one. The US marines faced such a death toll that they had to use a nuclear weapon to force Japan to surrender. Never underestimate the will of a determined enemy. I believe that the morale and code with which a military fights is equally if not more important than the hardware with which it wages war.
If a war happened between US and China I would pack my bags and take the first plane outta here. I don’t want to die because of the mess created by some stupid politicians. Let those like ‘only the facts’ go fight China with F-22, we can make do with a few idiots less.
Only the facts, you are talking only about fighter war. Real wars are not video game to take a few sorties, shoot down enemies and declare victory. Ignorant right wing jibes cannot change the fact that a REAL war of invasion on China would be a no-win situation for US or any country for that matter. There will be no hope to occupy China or even a tiny portion of it, it is huge and has a population four times that of America. To supply a large enough occupation force to do any type of good so far from homeland would be a logistical nightmare. China cannot be underestimated it can strike back real hard, so hard that it will be the war that saps off US military power and collapse it like Soviet Union. A war with China will only be a fool’s errand.
people like “only the facts” dont have a clue, Chine has over 7 million millitary personal and a paramillitary of more than all of the us army, you’ld think that they might have lear’nt by now from iraq, afghanistan, vietnam an former Yougoslavia.GPD and the wrest of that crap do
not win wars.
The United States has a technologically superior military in some respects but it takes a lot more than that to defeat a country like China. Wars are not video games one cannot win wars with better gadgets. Even the US military is aware of it which is why a large chunk of DoD Budget goes into strategy rather than technology. Why do you think the US tries to find the merest pretext for fighting a war? If the Kosovo war never happened, Americans would still have thought F-117 is invincible. Anyone who saw the hype surrounding the invincible F-117 was in for a shock when Serbs downed two of them using equipments a generation old and barely in battle condition. It is the uber-nationalists among Americans who have one sided view of warfare without understanding wars of reality.
In response to Only_the_facts’ comment
“The bulk of Chinese forces are composed of WWII and Vietnam Era hardward with only a small fraction of those forces composed of more contemporary hardware. The U.S. military on the other hand is the most advanced in the world.”
Are you trying to deliberately sound stupid or what? Nothing could be less factual than this.
“The recently decommission F-14 tomcats for example could easily take down everything but the absolute latest in Chinese airpower. “
You can’t just take out fighters from mothballs and use them in wars silly. It will be a suicide to do it without battle testing and training new pilots. The Flankers in China will end up destroying all F-14 Tomcats that is if they survive a sophisticated SAM defence.
“Again, bulk of the Chinese airforce is composed of old Mig-19’s, Mig-21’s, and Mig 23’s, all of which are no match for even an F-14, much less F-15 or F-22. “
Absolutely false. China has no Migs in its inventory at all, how can it have in bulk something it doesn’t have in the first place? Most of PLA attack force is made up of Su-27 and Su-30 Flankers. Brush up your knowledge of chinese air force instead of making up such rubbish opinions.
“Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry.”
You talk as if Chinese are some primitive beings and American F-22 is something futuristic to destroy these primitive beings. F-22s can be handicapped by electronic jamming devices, passive multistatic radars, older generation long wave radar, turbulence detection, increased RCS detection after dropping weapons, etc. F-22 is just a new generation fighter not some alien predator device, grow up and accept reality.
Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.”
Typical American. With this comment you prove yourself, an antithesis of you screenname. Stop insulting your country with your stupidity.
I’m American and I live next to Edwards Air force base home of the B2 ‘Spirit’ bomber. Let me tell you… the Marines and Air force personnel here think a war with China would be the end of the world. Massive amounts of natural forest protection from an air campaign and the 9 or so delta rivers I’m sure the Navy would love to battle every centimeter through. Maybe a Vietnam vet could relive some nightmares of the Mekong… as it runs through China also. We’re talking about a country with a total population comparable to that of the entire Muslim world. F22 my ass.
Mr.facts keeps surprising me. I really dont know where he gets his “facts”. A war with china would not just mean nightmare, it would mean world war 3!! I am quite sure That if usa attacks china, china will try to regain foothold in taiwan, iliminate pro american south korea and ofcourse north korea will support its ally china, so will vietnamjapan will be dragged in and it will go so on and so forth. America can barely support its forces in iraq! They cant even hit iran now let alone china.
Can the United States Win a War Against China?
ANS: NOBODY will win the war. All they gonna get is huge Kick on their technologically, Qualitatively, Quantitatively Superior Fat ass & will be converted from SUPERPOWER to SUPERPOOR countries.
@All
Can we keep the discussion a bit civil?
Lets take this…we are discussing a hypothetical situation of a Sino US armed conflict, and lets remember this throughout this post, US will never dream or desire to occupy China and would restrict itself to punitive strikes to render the PLA incapable for sometime if not forever, in following a overtly aggressive anti US military stance.Keeping the economic fallouts aside,the military conflict still would be very complex.US no doubt has a huge technological advantage over China, together with a massive blue water naval and air superiority.Add to this their exponential war experiences as compared to China’s relatively no experience in an all out war for quite some years. Let’s dehype the Chinese military strength and consider the fact, that the conflict is bound to escalate in seamless stages.The first will possibly be precission air raids on vital military installations in the Chinese mainland.China will possibly try to strike on US bases in South Korea and the US naval vessels that US would already have deployed in an attempt to enforce a naval blockade similar to the one during the Cuban crisis. The PLAAF has doubtful capabilities of striking into the US mainland and would avoid launching long range missiles at the US mainland thereby causing huge civilian casualties as long as USAF continues carrying surgical strikes on tactical and strategic military installations avoiding Chinese civilian facilities. This will continue for a while because the USAF won’t be able to enforce complete air superiority over the Chinese airspace overnight.Though China has good numbers of 4th Gen fighters together with some well debated 5th Gen crafts, it still has very limited and doubtful credible air defence systems and EJDs. However the war in the sea will be more complex, as the PLAN has a sigeable no. of submarine based assault systems along with missile boats that are quite capable of harrasing the US Fleets and may even pose grave threats to the carriers. Much will depend on the PLAs deternination whether to limit the conflict to the vicinity and wait for international intervention or to escalate the fight by carrying the attacks to the US territorial waters….
As long as the US forces restrict the attacks to the military installations and facilities…its very unlikely that the PLA or US would resort to nuclear brinkmanship.However if the war escalates with US strikes on Chinese civil,financial or business facilities and China feels threatened of complete US dominance…it might try to demonstrate its resolve to defend itself through nuclear might in following theatrical manouevers…
1.By detonating a nuclear devise in its own unmanned terrain.
2.Using a sub kiloton tactical devise on the adversary in its own territory.
3.Firing a warhead, again carrying a sub kiloton devise on one of the enemy ships,in its own territorial waters.
This would definitely result in counter offensive in a similar tone albeit the US strategists would be forced to reconsider on their offensive knowing equally well that if the conflict fails to be contained or limited, it might surely lead to a nuclear first srike by China, irrespective of their so called “No First Use” policy.
The moral of the story is…
1.US can never possibly win a continental war against the PLA involving territorial armies.
2.China can not sustain a prolonged air and naval conflict with the US without resorting to nuclear devices.
3.Air and Naval confrontation between China and the US is more likely to cost more to China than US.
4.The aftermath of the confrontation would cripple the PLA,PLAAF and PLANs capabilities and make them vulnerable to the other regional military powers namely,Russia,India,Japan and Australia.
5.Thus, inspite of Beizing’s gung ho attitude towards Taiwan and other issues…it will desist from a confrontation with the US as long as possible.
ok just recovered from laughing at some of the posts by americans here.God what deluded fantasy world do they live in.Chinese swords hahaha against American super aircraft etc.Cakewalk victory for america again ehh.Forget it buddies you attack China and you will be a smoking wilderness.First the majority of your planes could not penetrate Chinese airspace as stated recently by an American air force general.Second China can hit your satelites as they demonstrated recently by destroying one of their own old ones.Thirdly they have anti ship missiles that cannot be intercepted they bought those from Russia [cant remember the name].fourth they are producing their own excellent fighter and ground attack aircraft the J10.fifth they have nukes and the ability to deliver them by aircraft submarine and missile and last they have a potential army of a least 100 million if put on war footing with conscription.And if you think the Chinese people will welcome you. oh you poor sad creatures.
I pray to god that this war would never happen….
China would not ‘win’, in the traditional sense. They would suffer the worst as far as human losses and economic damage. Furthermore China’s population is heavily concentrated in a small area, so destruction of cites would cause millions of deaths. However, china does infact have a better trained army, which is also far larger then the U.S army.
Personally I think that the U.S could come out on top if things turn their way. The same is true for china. Either way it would be one brutal war.
(Yes I know about the spelling mistakes, and the grammar as well. Don’t insult me about them. They are unimportant and you know it.)
Those among who think US can’t beat China are liberal idiots. The US can defeat China in a war HANDS DOWN! Chinas still a 3rd world country trying to pick up with others and spending billions on military. Lets face it, its still using World War 2 military equips. Americans have advantage in every area in a war with China, it is just a matter of days the Peijing and Shanghai fall down to dust.
US Patriot
henry you do know where allies and hypoteticaly speaking if america lose europe is going down you think china middle east and russia will welcome you existant ofcourse there faking it because they would not whant to figth a 2 front war it will be so much harder thats why germany lose the war they learn from that but if you guys font whant to help the u.s.a ok youll die to so its ok
Kalvin I do not see China as being any threat to the world,it has never been a belligerent imperial nation.America on the other hand is obsessed with world domination and they have no morals or scruples about how they achieve that end.They talk endlessly about freedom but were happy to hand half of Europe to the soviet union at yalta in 1945.While I understand that the Filippinos have a high regard for America which I believe comes from the Americans help in expelling the Japanese from the Philippines in 1944.But dont forget that 40 years earlier they were slaughtering Filippinos when they wanted the islands as an imperial foothold in the orient.Like all imperial powers America is all about self interest.It is not good for the world to have only one superpower it needs another as a counterweight.In my opinion China [while not perfect] is the best candidate for the role as unlike Russia and America it does not have a history of endless aggression.
@ US Patriot
Perhaps reading up on the Kosovo conflict would help clear things—more like, shatter your overconfidence, actually. If the Serbs could do THAT kid of damage, I think it is more than obvious that China could do a whole lot worse.
That was enlightening. Perhaps the United States is fighting the Iraq war using Civil War military equipments, that might explain its apparently failure to tame the situation there. Why bother a war with China anyway, I am sure if we send you with a BB gun and pods, you’d be able to take out the entire China. Oh yes, the sight of an American as you would probably scare them to mass migrate to India or Russia to save themselves.
Hypothesis is an ‘if’ situation and when you look at things that way anything can happen. A better hypothesis can be held credible ONLY if it can be supported with a reasonable argument that something is more likely to happen than not. Neither China nor Russia have had an imperial history as bloodlusty as America did. As if killing 20 million of the natives is not enough, the world had to contend with losing 11-19 million humans to American aggression in the last 50 years. We cannot assume that China would be a tyrant until and unless it has shown a strong tendency to be as hegemonic as US neo-colonialism in Asia and Latin America is. As of now, all China does is trade - like it has been doing for the past 5000 years.
Like all countries that are not the USA, you have a storied history of savagery, cruelty, and injustice. The only country that is worth saving is the United States, and perhaps Britain, Australia, and New Zealand. Our superior karma will be a deciding factor in any conflict.
American you are having a laugh right.No Savagery ,cruelty,or injustice in American history ?!!!.Is there anything other than savagery cruely and injustice in it.Where does one start .Slaughter of millions of native Americans and theft of their Continent,Enslavement of millions of Africans,Slaughter of over a million Filippinos,Slaughter of millions of non combatants in World war 2,Slaughter of millions in Korea,Slaughter of millions of Vietnamese and poisoning of their country with agent orange.Involvement in the slaughter and the injustice perpetrated on the Palestinians.And now unjust attack on Iraq and slaughter there.Not to mention the mayhem you have brought to other nations by helping brutal dictators keep power if they are prepared to kiss your obese butts.You have destroyed the lives of countless millions of innocent people and will not stop until some great nation brings Karma to you.
What “great” nation might that be ? Russia perhaps ? Without the U.S. and her influence the world would be ten times the nightmare it currently is.
hahahahaha…
everybody knows that the true winners of a China US world war would be the Europeans!
we Europeans aren’t dumb enough to help america in that inevitably Chinese controlled war, and certainly are too smart to help the chinese if (IF!) the Yanks win..
but i agree that the yanks are too delusional for their own good.
seriously, talking of the US as if they are really the world’s most powerful country..
the EU has has a total GDP waaay bigger than the US, and the combined industrial, commercial and agricultural might of the EU far outshadows the US.
after the ashes of WW3, the world will be governed by the United States of Europe. then, and only then, will world peace be truly achieved. safe from the threat of dumb texans and christian fundamentalists
Ok, the U.S. would win in a war against China, conventionally, an invasion would be extremely sketchy. China does have some submarines but not to the level of the USSR in the 80s, all China could hope to do nautically would be to deter the U.S. from blockading them. As far as anti ship missiles, The U.S. has quite sophisticated defense systems especially if you consider the combination of a carrier battle group as a whole. In the air the Chinese military would not be able to fly outside of their airspace as the U.S. airfoce is really a generation ahead. The Chinese air-defense would be strong but doubtful if it could cover the whole of the country, in looking at air defense please dont use wild speculation and half minded historical examples. the Yom Kippur war is a good example of a tight integrated air defense, where the Israiles couldn’t strike across the Suez canal, or the air defenses of Hanoi in Vietnam, but even in these extreme cases air power was still able to get trough. as far as the F117, it is a 70s fighter and not very maneuverable/ fitted with capable counter measures so an infrared missile would easily down it. Now for the land battles, if any, the true stenghts of the U.S. integrated amed forces comes to light. look at both gulf wars, in the first the Iraqis vastly outnumbered the allies but the air power of the allies crippled them, not to mention the power of the NATO style tanks as opposed the Warsaw style which shined through. as far as using Vietnam and Iraq as examples of the weaknesses of the U.S., those are not wars but occupations and no army does well when they have to occupy a country against a rebel force. and in Korea the chinese vastly outnumbered the U.S. but were unable to fully beat them even with the help of Russian tech. today the technology is in The U.S.’s favor.
Large conventional wars are about technology not individuals, occupations are about individuals in a conventional war with China the U.S. has a distinct advantage, in an occupation neither side would have a clear victory, though I would assume a puppet regeime would be installed in Beijing from Taiwan and the stable Chinese beauocracy would be transfered and there wouldnt be as many problems as with Iraq or Vietnam, it might be more like Japan or Germany, but I dont know and any real speculation is just speculation.
and as far as the U.S. and freedom, the Russians kinda took control of the eastern countries following WWII and the allies could do little as Stalin was steadfast and any prods to get him to give up say, Poland would lead to another war which is not what was wanted following a world war. as is was part of the U.S.’s reasoning in Nuking Japan was to not allow the Russians to take control of all of Korea and maybe part of Japan. And yes the U.S. was imperialistic in 1900 but, i forget, weren’t all of the western countries quite imperialistic in that period, even Belgium had the Congo, which was probably the worst maintained colony in Africa, almost a genocide. and for going into Korea, it was a U.N. action lead by the U.S. Kosovo was a NATO action and Vietnam was well.. that one was ridiculous and wrong. But if I remember correctly China is occupying Tibet and doesnt allow baisic rights to its citizens, far worse than the U.S.
In all your hate for the U.S. look back at history and you’ll see that in comparison to the other world leaders at thier time and in comparison to China that it is quite benevolent, yes it has its many flaws especially recently but on a whole it is the lesser of two evils.
There is no doubt the US can defeat China repeat no doubt. The question is will the US be willing to pay the price to pulverize China.Assuming the US detonates 1000 nuclear weapons on China.The China won’t take it lying down.
The PLa will probably destroy Chicago,Washington,New York and at least ten other ities. The number of cities to be destroyed will increase as the PLA gets stronger each day.
That is why Bush and his cronies want the missile defence to aim at NK and Iran. If you are in charge of China’s defence and you believe Bush you are in dereliction of your duty and shd be executed.
Bush and the next US president better know the days they can attack China and others and be immune from attack are going to be over soon.
The US says it won’t be subject ot nuclear blackmail.let’s check the facts.The US has over 20000 nuclear warheads. China has only 100.Tell who is stronger. However the will to use the nw is crucial.
Ok the US might have more nuclear weapons, but china has more people.
It’s really 50:50.
Besides, there are no threats against China or US, and they don’t have any reasons to attack each other, so no war warning.
(you should be happy, nobody wants to die!!!)
A war with China would result in what those well-versed in the Cold War era refer to as MAD (mutually assured destruction). We can talk about who has what until the cows come home - bottom line is that both countries would crumble economically given their complete dependence on one another. China cannot match the superiority of the United States Navy or Air Force and won’t be able to do so for decades. What people forget is that China doesn’t need to match American Naval and Aerial Firepower. The only thing they’d need to do if hostilities broke out is conduct a couple of nuclear tests in view of advancing US forces and it would be back to diplomacy. Doubt it’ll happen and pray that it doesn’t.