1) The United States is the only super power
2) We spend more money in defense than total GDP of most countries
3) We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them
 
Chinese have large numbers of people which mean nothing, it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army. We also have stealth, their army will be screwed. We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.

“The United States is the only super power”
I don’t see how being a super power have a military advantage for USA against China.
 
“We spend more money in defence than total GDP of most countries”
Does spending more money means superior force? If that be so, India would have been the fourth most powerful military force in the world, surpassing UK and France.
 
“We have more nukes than any other country and the most powerful of them.”
Wrong on both counts. Russia posesses the maximum number of nuclear warheads and it also has the most powerful nuclear bomb, the Tsar Bomba
 
“..it will take a few hours to finish their pitchfork and sword brandishing army.”

Can you expect us to give you any credit after this?
 
“We also have stealth, their army will be screwed”
Conventional stealth is old technology, easy to detect by themal detectors, satellite sensing of turbulence or multiple radars. It would be a suicide to bank on stealth while invading China.
 
“We have better and more trained forces and most of the Chinese people would be on our side anyways.”
You didn’t have Vietnamese, Iraqi, the North Koreans os the Serbs on your side. What makes you think China will be any different?

China is nowhere close to threatening US, a lot of the anti-China hype created in the Anglo-Saxon US is based on the perceived threat that China is getting militarily powerful to counter US influence in East Asia. If we take any official or unofficial statements made by the Chinese government, there are no such threats made by China against US which are offensive in nature. Perhaps a little reading of news and references would be helpful.

 
@ Lisa Richards - “If we closed all U.S. factories and brought them home to America where they belong, China would kiss our ass.”

Factories are not fluid assets, you cannot simply close them and bring them to America. US companies would end up running losses if they decided to relocate to Mexico. Mexico does not have the economy and skilled cost-effective personell to support American industries. They are best as domestic help and industrial labourers in contrast to China where most of the industrial workers are qualified engineers.

 
@ Lisa Richards - “Let’s see how long they last without America buying from them. They’ll be back to post WWII within months and begging to apologize for their leader’s threats.”

You seem to be dimly aware of history. Post world war was one of the few times in history China was actually threatening US, mainly over Taiwan and North Korean issue. To give stronger credibility to their threat and to overcome US nuclear blackmail China went to to develop nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them in US targets. If there is any good Sino-US relations, it is at the present age which started off after US tried to improve relations with China in the 1980s to counterbalance Soviet threats in the lines of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

Sino-US economic import-export relations and investments government bonds represent a small part of the larger economic interdependence between these two countries. China is the last link in a long chain of value added production for the US goods and services industries due to its low cost and easy availability of skilled labour. US is able to compete and have a slight edge over EU economy at present mainly because of its cost minimisation by investments in India and China, once this disappears, EU companies will take over. Most of the US corporates invested heavily in China with at least 37% of their investments in solid fixed assets (buildings, factories,etc.), if a US-China war is to occur these companies would face the first crunch in the form of huge losses of their backbone infrastructure and cost advantage. After the war and losses, the companies would need another source of cheap labour to recoup. European Union will gain an advantage over US in such a situation as EU has East European countries with cheap labour but a bit more expensive than China due to higher exchange rates and per capita GDP (PPP). US economic analysts are aware of these facts as subsequent annual economic reports to the Congress would show. It is for these reasons that US companies keep a love-hate relationship with China’s CPC government, they do not want to risk a conflict on the issues which are not directly in consequence to their corporate interests.

A few official resources which would help you understand Sino-US economic relations -
U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission: 2006 Report to Congress
Foreign Investment In China - 2006
The US China Business Council
 

Concerning a military conflict on the scale of a war, the US Department of Defence is well aware of China’s strategic nuclear deterrance and the stand of PLA against US forces in a communist military model. Needless to say, US would suffer huge losses and possible defeat if they were to try an invasion of China. Wars are fought not on hardware alone but on several other important factors mainly command, control, military intelligence, surveillance, tactics, target acquisition and information. If hardware superiority were all that is required to win wars, USSR could have taken over the whole of Asia and Europe owing to its overpowering nuclear offence and defence superiority over US. A US vs China war would not be a contests between fighters like F-22s and Su-30s but a multi-dimensional US vs China conflict involving military (air force, navy, ground force, etc.), espionage, nuclear forces, infrastructure, human population and economy besides several other variables. It is very fortunate that governments and military strategists are not as short-sighted and fantasy reliant as nationalists in both these countries who would desire a war to happen.

No other country on earth has shown as much success as the U.S. in terms of integrating it’s armed services into a logistical masterpiece, especially not China, which hasn’t even tested it’s armed forces in large scale conflict since the Vietnam War. Conventional war, the odds are overwhelmingly on the side of the U.S., absolutely overwhelmingly. The capacity of the current American military far surpasses that of China and American industrial might is far more powerful than that of China. Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry. Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.

the U.S industrial machine you speak of was the strongest in the world—during WWII days. The U.S now has a $250 billion trade deficit with China, sure China needs the income from the U.S too…but in a war…China is more self reliant for its day to day operations and is likely to come out ahead in a scenario of elongated conflict.

It is also important to remember history, the Japanese in Iwo Jima lost the island to the US forces, but the victory was a very costly one. The US marines faced such a death toll that they had to use a nuclear weapon to force Japan to surrender. Never underestimate the will of a determined enemy. I believe that the morale and code with which a military fights is equally if not more important than the hardware with which it wages war.

“The bulk of Chinese forces are composed of WWII and Vietnam Era hardward with only a small fraction of those forces composed of more contemporary hardware. The U.S. military on the other hand is the most advanced in the world.”
Are you trying to deliberately sound stupid or what? Nothing could be less factual than this.
 
“The recently decommission F-14 tomcats for example could easily take down everything but the absolute latest in Chinese airpower. “
You can’t just take out fighters from mothballs and use them in wars silly. It will be a suicide to do it without battle testing and training new pilots. The Flankers in China will end up destroying all F-14 Tomcats that is if they survive a sophisticated SAM defence.
 
“Again, bulk of the Chinese airforce is composed of old Mig-19’s, Mig-21’s, and Mig 23’s, all of which are no match for even an F-14, much less F-15 or F-22. “
Absolutely false. China has no Migs in its inventory at all, how can it have in bulk something it doesn’t have in the first place? Most of PLA attack force is made up of Su-27 and Su-30 Flankers. Brush up your knowledge of chinese air force instead of making up such rubbish opinions.
 
“Spears and rocks won’t take down F-22’s, sorry.”
You talk as if Chinese are some primitive beings and American F-22 is something futuristic to destroy these primitive beings. F-22s can be handicapped by electronic jamming devices, passive multistatic radars, older generation long wave radar, turbulence detection, increased RCS detection after dropping weapons, etc. F-22 is just a new generation fighter not some alien predator device, grow up and accept reality.
 
Imagine China trying to take over South Central L.A., hahaha, I think they are better armed in that ghetto than they are in the PLA, hahaha.”
Typical American. With this comment you prove yourself, an antithesis of you screenname. Stop insulting your country with your stupidity.

ANS: NOBODY will win the war. All they gonna get is huge Kick on their technologically, Qualitatively, Quantitatively Superior Fat ass & will be converted from SUPERPOWER to SUPERPOOR countries.

China would not ‘win’, in the traditional sense. They would suffer the worst as far as human losses and economic damage. Furthermore China’s population is heavily concentrated in a small area, so destruction of cites would cause millions of deaths. However, china does infact have a better trained army, which is also far larger then the U.S army.

Personally I think that the U.S could come out on top if things turn their way. The same is true for china. Either way it would be one brutal war.

(Yes I know about the spelling mistakes, and the grammar as well. Don’t insult me about them. They are unimportant and you know it.)

US Patriot

Perhaps reading up on the Kosovo conflict would help clear things—more like, shatter your overconfidence, actually. If the Serbs could do THAT kid of damage, I think it is more than obvious that China could do a whole lot worse.

@US Patriot - Those among who think US can’t beat China are liberal idiots. The US can defeat China in a war HANDS DOWN! Chinas still a 3rd world country trying to pick up with others and spending billions on military. Lets face it, its still using World War 2 military equips. Americans have advantage in every area in a war with China, it is just a matter of days the Peijing and Shanghai fall down to dust.

That was enlightening. Perhaps the United States is fighting the Iraq war using Civil War military equipments, that might explain its apparently failure to tame the situation there. Why bother a war with China anyway, I am sure if we send you with a BB gun and pods, you’d be able to take out the entire China. Oh yes, the sight of an American as you would probably scare them to mass migrate to India or Russia to save themselves.

@kalvin - hypoteticaly speaking if america lose europe is going down you think china middle east and russia will welcome you existant

Hypothesis is an ‘if’ situation and when you look at things that way anything can happen. A better hypothesis can be held credible ONLY if it can be supported with a reasonable argument that something is more likely to happen than not. Neither China nor Russia have had an imperial history as bloodlusty as America did. As if killing 20 million of the natives is not enough, the world had to contend with losing 11-19 million humans to American aggression in the last 50 years. We cannot assume that China would be a tyrant until and unless it has shown a strong tendency to be as hegemonic as US neo-colonialism in Asia and Latin America is. As of now, all China does is trade - like it has been doing for the past 5000 years.

everybody knows that the true winners of a China US world war would be the Europeans!
we Europeans aren’t dumb enough to help america in that inevitably Chinese controlled war, and certainly are too smart to help the chinese if (IF!) the Yanks win..

but i agree that the yanks are too delusional for their own good.
seriously, talking of the US as if they are really the world’s most powerful country..

the EU has has a total GDP waaay bigger than the US, and the combined industrial, commercial and agricultural might of the EU far outshadows the US.

after the ashes of WW3, the world will be governed by the United States of Europe. then, and only then, will world peace be truly achieved. safe from the threat of dumb texans and christian fundamentalists

Large conventional wars are about technology not individuals, occupations are about individuals in a conventional war with China the U.S. has a distinct advantage, in an occupation neither side would have a clear victory, though I would assume a puppet regeime would be installed in Beijing from Taiwan and the stable Chinese beauocracy would be transfered and there wouldnt be as many problems as with Iraq or Vietnam, it might be more like Japan or Germany, but I dont know and any real speculation is just speculation.

and as far as the U.S. and freedom, the Russians kinda took control of the eastern countries following WWII and the allies could do little as Stalin was steadfast and any prods to get him to give up say, Poland would lead to another war which is not what was wanted following a world war. as is was part of the U.S.’s reasoning in Nuking Japan was to not allow the Russians to take control of all of Korea and maybe part of Japan. And yes the U.S. was imperialistic in 1900 but, i forget, weren’t all of the western countries quite imperialistic in that period, even Belgium had the Congo, which was probably the worst maintained colony in Africa, almost a genocide. and for going into Korea, it was a U.N. action lead by the U.S. Kosovo was a NATO action and Vietnam was well.. that one was ridiculous and wrong. But if I remember correctly China is occupying Tibet and doesnt allow baisic rights to its citizens, far worse than the U.S.

In all your hate for the U.S. look back at history and you’ll see that in comparison to the other world leaders at thier time and in comparison to China that it is quite benevolent, yes it has its many flaws especially recently but on a whole it is the lesser of two evils.

It’s really 50:50.

Besides, there are no threats against China or US, and they don’t have any reasons to attack each other, so no war warning.

(you should be happy, nobody wants to die!!!)

Americans are known throughout history to undertake DRASTIC measures to get what they want. A nuclear war would be started by the United States. AND the Chinese are more self-dependent than the United States ( as seen by the countless fucking number of things i see made in china). But IF this war had to happen, which might not occur for maybe another 10 years, lets see China’s history in the past decade. It grew from a shittyass 3rd world country to the worlds fastest growing economy in less than 50 years. It put a man into space. It’s also hosting the Olympics in a few days and has gained international credit in the UN Security Council as well as Nato. So, if the Chinese did ALL that shit in 5 decades, what else can they do in 10 or less years? There is no doubt that they can match our military technology within a few more years, not even mentioning its military personnel size. It has the largest fleet of Su-27 and su-30s, an impenetrable SAM defense system, a better trained ground forces, and other superpowers like Russia to back it up. So it is completely absurd that dumbasses like ONly_the_facts would say fighting the war against the Chinese would be easy.

America’s international policies and claiming to be “the world’s policeman” are complete bullshit. We need to stop fucking with other people’s business and allow the rest of the world to have their chance at making their own lives better (not making them worse by fucking attacking everybody, screwing up their lives, and saying we’re making ur lives better. Every person that isn’t american on this topic has seemed to agree that America is doing more harm to the rest of the world than good. It uses its goals of “freedom and peace” to cover up its self-centered belief to maintain its role as the world’s number 1 superpower.

Bottom point: No the United States cannot win a War with China simply because of its worsening international status, failing economy, military rapage in the Middle east, and it’s dependency on China. It will eventually end up in a nuclear war which will cause horrific damage to both sides, but the US will end up more crippled due to its vast dependencies on other nations. And it is highly unlikely that other nations will help the US so fuck dat, best thing to do is back off and let the Chinese be the next superpower.